Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42164728; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:22:12 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42156387; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:02:28 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS,PRXY_USER_BODY_VALIUM,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1131 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:01:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1131 1. Re: G-mail issues (was: Re: Portfolios) by "Brian Munroe" 2. Re: Low cost/low impact worklights by Clive Mitchell 3. Re: Low cost/low impact worklights by Stephen Rees 4. Hotels in phoenix by Philip Johnson 5. Star Drop Cable by "Laura McMeley" 6. Re: Cheap wood floor by Al Fitch 7. Re: Star Drop Cable by "Tim Catlett" 8. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Tim Catlett" 9. Re: Star Drop Cable by "Laura McMeley" 10. Re: Star Drop Cable by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 11. Associations by SS 12. Re: Projector shutter by "Gregg Carville" 13. Calling Peter Scheu by SS 14. Re: Projector shutter by Anna 15. Re: Star Drop Cable by "Occy" 16. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Bill Nelson" 17. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Johnson, Keith" 18. Re: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) by Jerry Durand 19. Re: Music Man Firecracker by Jerry Durand 20. Raft for Big River by "Rosenveldt, Jean-Paul" 21. STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by "David Fox" 22. Re: Calling Peter Scheu by "Peter Scheu" 23. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by "Storms, Randy" 24. Re: Star Drop Cable by 25. Re: Star Drop Cable by "Laura McMeley" 26. Re: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) by "David B. Nelson" 27. Re: Raft for Big River by MissWisc [at] aol.com 28. Fire Drills (was RE: Automated Alarms) by "David B. Nelson" 29. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Tim Catlett" 30. Re: Cheap wood floor by Michael Drury 31. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Tim Catlett" 32. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 33. Re: Cheap wood floor by MissWisc [at] aol.com 34. Re: Star Drop Cable by Clive Mitchell 35. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Tim Catlett" 36. Re: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) by 37. Re: Fire Drills (was RE: Automated Alarms) by 38. House Management Resources by Brian James 39. Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? by Josh Ratty 41. Re: Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? by Richard Bakos 42. Re: Nehemiah Scudder by Jim Hyslop 43. Re: Cheap wood floor by MissWisc [at] aol.com 44. Re: Cheap wood floor by Michael Heinicke *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:59:20 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: G-mail issues (was: Re: Portfolios) In-Reply-To: References: On 2/5/07, Mick Alderson wrote: > One nice thing about Digest mode is that you are only offered the > opportunity to make a fool of yourself in public once or, lately, > twice a day! Sometimes that's a GOOD thing! :-) That's a good point! There have been a few times I wished for an "unsend" button. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:45:21 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >We have used such lights for years in the two venues where I do >lighting. I have not noticed any lamp lifespan problems, although the >type that use the lamps with flat blades tend to burn up the sockets. >The ones with the round button contacts that fit between the spring >loaded end connectors seem to last just fine. > It all depends on the quality of both the lamps and their holders. If you remove a lamp and the end is burnt then replace the whole fitting because if the connector is toast it will quickly kill new lamps. A good lamp will last a long time and is less likely to fail with a bang or burn the end connectors. >Neither style is worth repairing. Yeah. Fit them with plugs and keep some spare. At about a 5'er there's no point repairing them. However, the cases can be reused for other interesting applications like weatherproof LED floodlights, waterpoof camera housings or low voltage ships lights (retrofit a 12V 50W lamp) to name a few applications. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:01:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Perhaps several color corrected Metal Halide units might be useful. I agree with Steve L about the work light solution as not being the best option. We have 3450 degree K in our scene shop and they put out a very comfortable light. Steve Rees On 2/5/07 3:14 PM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > > I've tried these in the past. Really short lifespan, not just on lamps > but on the sockets, reflectors and unit body. > > It won't be flattering face light, but if your priorities are quantity > and low-cost, I'd suggest hanging a couple of sodium vapor floodlights > in the FOH. Color correction can help a bit, but it'll always feel a > little bit off. > > Steve L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:39:48 -0600 Subject: Hotels in phoenix From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: Anyone who knows Phoenix, recommend a good CHEAP hotel near the convention? Travelocity recommended one on 27th st. Thanks for the info Phil Johnson ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:46:16 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Star Drop Cable Does anyone know where I can get 22 or 24 gauge, 2 wire, black jacketed wire? I need about 1500 feet, yesterday. This is for a star drop, to have 6w bulbs in candalabra sockets and the ones we have were built with 18 gauge zip cord, which the designer says is too thick. -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <229335.15255.qm [at] web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, What about luan ripped to width and painted? Are you covering platforms with this wood? Al Fitch --- Tim Catlett wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > I need a cheap solution to a real wood floor on a > tight budget. > Companies and names would be highly beneficial. > > Specs: 1x6 pine or oak, approx. 1300sq.ft., to be > distressed so > quality wood is not necessary (#3 or better is > probably ideal) > > Ideas? Anyone? Staying under $800 would be extremely > helpful to the > rest of the project budget. > > -- > Tim Catlett > Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School > Drama > Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare > Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA > (International Secondary > Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) > Cell: 414.975.4424 > EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:49:55 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable In-Reply-To: References: Can't you just put a scrim in front of the one you have? Then when you move the scrim a little from side to side, the stars will "twinkle". Just a thought. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 2/6/07, Laura McMeley wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone know where I can get 22 or 24 gauge, 2 wire, black > jacketed wire? I need about 1500 feet, yesterday. This is for a star > drop, to have 6w bulbs in candalabra sockets and the ones we have were > built with 18 gauge zip cord, which the designer says is too thick. > > -- > Laura McMeley > Resident Lighting Coordinator > The Dallas Opera > 972-333-5016 > LMcMeley [at] gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:55:39 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: References:

Unfortunately, this is in a studio situation, with the floor laying directly on concrete, and the designer is being very persistent in her desire to have "real wood." I've tried to convince her on the 3/4BCX route as well, to no avail. It is looking like a redesign is in order but it was worth another try at ideas. Thanks, -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 2/6/07, Al Fitch wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Tim, > > What about luan ripped to width and painted? > > Are you covering platforms with this wood? > > Al Fitch ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:00:53 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable In-Reply-To: References:

Good thought, but these are to hang in the center of the stage over the singers heads. No way to use a scrim to hide the cables. On 2/6/07, Tim Catlett wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Can't you just put a scrim in front of the one you have? Then when you > move the scrim a little from side to side, the stars will "twinkle". > > Just a thought. > > -- > Tim Catlett > Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama > Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare > Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary > Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) > Cell: 414.975.4424 > EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com > > > On 2/6/07, Laura McMeley wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Does anyone know where I can get 22 or 24 gauge, 2 wire, black > > jacketed wire? I need about 1500 feet, yesterday. This is for a star > > drop, to have 6w bulbs in candalabra sockets and the ones we have were > > built with 18 gauge zip cord, which the designer says is too thick. > > > > -- > > Laura McMeley > > Resident Lighting Coordinator > > The Dallas Opera > > 972-333-5016 > > LMcMeley [at] gmail.com > > > -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:37:13 GMT Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable Message-Id: <20070206.073741.833.1153128 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Laura, How about enamel-covered wire of the type used for winding motors and = transformers? It is the right gauge, dark in color, and very low cost. /s/ Richard __________________________ Does anyone know where I can get 22 or 24 gauge, 2 wire, black jacketed wire? I need about 1500 feet, yesterday. This is for a star drop, to have 6w bulbs in candalabra sockets and the ones we have were built with 18 gauge zip cord, which the designer says is too thick. -- = Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702060819w4a2618abs64d4a011f6a91263 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:19:09 -0500 From: SS Subject: Associations Hello All! Okay, I'm going to throw two more out there... Anyone on the list have any affiliation (or know someone who does) with either of the following two associations? AATE or ATHE (Tim Catlett?) Feel free to contact me offlist, so as to not waste Noah's bandwidth. Thank you kindly. -SS TTS-EKU "When a thing ceases to be a subject of controversy, it ceases to be a subject of interest." -William Hazlitt ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e15160702060822r55f0ea97h34455e4ba0c31d5d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:22:36 -0500 From: "Gregg Carville" Subject: Re: Projector shutter In-Reply-To: References:

Commercial Plug: www.vshutter.com A friend of mine is making and marketing this. I have not used them in real performance so all I can say is here is another option. He was frustrated with the same situation of other suppliers gear and the cost and decided to do something about it. I know there are a couple out there in use and I imagine JP will provide references for those who inquire. -Gregg ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702060834j600b2cc2k8a8c38334293a29f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:34:17 -0500 From: SS Subject: Calling Peter Scheu Hey Peter, You out there? (you haven't posted in a while) Anywho, could you please contact me offlist? I cannot currently locate your contact info, and (FYI) your website appears to be down. Sorry for the bandwidth kids. Thank you. -- SS TTS-EKU "When a thing ceases to be a subject of controversy, it ceases to be a subject of interest." -William Hazlitt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:51:05 -0800 (PST) From: Anna Subject: Re: Projector shutter Message-ID: <382379.79659.qm [at] web37206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To solve my shutter problem last week, we ended up purchasing the V-shutter= from JP. Even though I was looking for a no-cost solution, we split the p= urchase with the AV department, and it was totally worth it. It's a bit di= fficult to mount on a larger projector, so we rigged up a separate shelf, b= ut it worked like a dream. The DMX control was easy to use, and even thoug= h we were looking just to provide a blackout, it does pretty nice fade-outs= at any speed. This is my testimonial tot he quality of the product. We a= hve two more shows with projections coming up, so it will get used A LOT.= =0A=0Awww.vshutter.com=0A =0AAnna Labykina=0ATechnical Director=0AThe Bosto= n Conservatory=0A617.912.9129 office=0A617.388.5656 mobile=0A=0A=0A =0A____= ___________________________________________________________________________= _____=0ANow that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels=0Ain 45,0= 00 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.=0Ahttp://farechase.yahoo= .com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:57:59 -0800 Sounds like a job for telephone hookup wire and a can of flat black paint. Ooopps and some solder & tape. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura McMeley" > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone know where I can get 22 or 24 gauge, 2 wire, black > jacketed wire? I need about 1500 feet, yesterday. This is for a star > drop, to have 6w bulbs in candalabra sockets and the ones we have were > built with 18 gauge zip cord, which the designer says is too thick. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1648.205.215.253.77.1170781078.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:57:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor From: "Bill Nelson" > Unfortunately, this is in a studio situation, with the floor laying > directly on concrete, and the designer is being very persistent in her > desire to have "real wood." I've tried to convince her on the 3/4BCX > route as well, to no avail. It is looking like a redesign is in order > but it was worth another try at ideas. For $800, it might be difficult to find the approximate 40 sheets of 3/4" subfloor that would be needed. In theatre, you often have to drink cheap beer out of champagne glasses and just imagine it is the expensive stuff. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Cheap wood floor Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: <2175145D8764B145B932DA9D45DE6C4802D3671B [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> In-Reply-To: References: From: "Johnson, Keith" If this is for a set, why does it need to be made from 1 x 6 pine or oak? If it is a temporary floor, why not score 1/4" luan plywood, stain and seal? If for a permanent installation, that would be another matter. Keith=20 Keith W. Johnson Designer/Technical Director EKU Theatre 306 Campbell Building Eastern Kentucky University 521 Lancaster Avenue Richmond, KY 40475 phone: (859) 622-1321 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tim Catlett Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:44 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Cheap wood floor For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi all, I need a cheap solution to a real wood floor on a tight budget. Companies and names would be highly beneficial. Specs: 1x6 pine or oak, approx. 1300sq.ft., to be distressed so quality wood is not necessary (#3 or better is probably ideal) Ideas? Anyone? Staying under $800 would be extremely helpful to the rest of the project budget. --=20 Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:26:07 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070206172608.D3D0819D6D0 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

>In New Hampshire, it is REQUIRED by the State Fire Code that any place of >assembly usage have one or more (depending on audience size) Crowd Control >Managers, who have received state-approved training, present at all events. >This requirement has the force of law in NH, and violation is generally a >felony. Ignore this requirement at your own risk -- not to mention that of >your audience! So, with modern alarm systems you have a crowd control manager with a microphone that's been cut off by the automated alarm. What do they do, hold up signs? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:44:23 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Music Man Firecracker In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070206174423.4484A19D80E [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 10:40 AM 2/5/2007, LES LIND wrote: >I just stuck a piece of slow fuse in a hole drilled in a large >wooden dowel painted red. SFX sound playback took care of the rest. Fuse is now 1.4S and in many places requires a license and storage magazine. Also, the Consumer Product Safety Commission is forcing sales to non-ATF permit holders to be limited to 25 feet per year. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: Raft for Big River Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:10:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3EF05E84A1F5B243A5B86B563C49379301F7AD59 [at] ESX00001.cityhall.cityofrc.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Rosenveldt, Jean-Paul" Hello Listers- This April we are doing a production of "Big River" and I am looking for a raft to rent. One here on the west coast would be swell. If anyone has one available and would like to respond to me off list, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, JP Jean-Paul "JP" Rosenveldt Technical Coordinator Victoria Gardens Cultural Center http://www.vgculturalcenter.com/ (909) 477-2775 x. 3717=20 =20 ------------------------------ Subject: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:30:00 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: From: "David Fox" To all of you who either have time to read and reply email all day or are just looking for a place to chat this is for you. For the rest reading this please accept my apology for the intrusion. While I would love to meet you all personally and discuss personal views and political diatribes.... This is a stagecraft list. Now before you all heap vilification that everything can be related to stagecraft; let me cut to the chase and say to that we can all agree. Further I'm not saying we can't talk about non related issues, but recently this has become the bulk for the list and the move from related to not related seems to be stuck in warp speed.=20 There are many of us who get the digest and read it as we have time. Sixty kerjillion posts about politics, novelists, tools (ok I started that one), smoking, and the like each with its own set of replies; only serve to fill the digest with lots and lots of posts not about stagecraft. I fully appreciate the "move to another seat in the bar" analogy, but want to add perspective. Imagine I have moved to another seat, but the people talking about things I don't want to join into are talking so loud that no matter where I am in the bar I have to listen. My options are put up with it, ignore it as best I can, or find another bar. That is the digest experience. From those of us that love the bar, have been in the bar for years, and look forward to spending our time in the bar; please remember that voices carry and even your quietest inside voice it heard by all. Email only, kill files and the like are all options, but personally I just want to sit down and engage in polite conversation with my friends about the topics we have all agreed to discuss. Have the discussion and start them on the list if you so desire, but when they veer from fun tangent to 60% of the conversation, please please please take them to another happier place, where you can shout all you want, and disturb those already disturbed (and for the record I INCLUDE MYSELF IN THAT LAST REMARK). If I am off base and out of line, I'm sorry. If I speak for the minority, I'll just go back to the quietest corner of the bar, but several people recently have complained to me about this same issue. Maybe we just need to recognize that times have changed and look for another bar. Personally I would hate to do that as I have grown accustomed to the surroundings here and will miss my friends. Ok Off my soapbox.=20 _______________________________________=20 It is important to note that the opinions of the individual and those of their employer are not always aligned.=20 What you have read should be construed as my opinion and not the opinion of my employer. If you don't like or agree with my thoughts and musings; I am the one you should take to task and not the nice people who pay me. =20 Be Seeing You David Fox _________________________________ ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: cueonego [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Calling Peter Scheu Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:36:58 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: >Hey Peter, > >You out there? (you haven't posted in a while) Yeah, I'm here. Just been way to busy to reply to stuff on the list. Been lurking though... Just checked our website. Seems OK, but ya never know. Sunspots? Feel free to contact me at the numbers or email below. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. 317 Carlton Road Syracuse, NY 13207 USA Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 E-mail: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Web: www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:52:45 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70B49AF91 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" The Stagecraft list (like most) goes through periodic "silly seasons", = and this happens to be one of them. I, too, have been waiting patiently = for S:N to correct itself and the conversation to steer back towards = matters of stagecraft. In the meantime I take solace in the knowledge = that if one were to post a real question, it would still get a flurry of = good responses - you might need to wade through some other stuff to find = them, however. TANSTAAFL, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- >Now before you all heap vilification that everything can be related to >stagecraft; let me cut to the chase and say to that we can all agree. >Further I'm not saying we can't talk about non related issues, but >recently this has become the bulk for the list and the move from = related >to not related seems to be stuck in warp speed.=20 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Star Drop Cable Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:16:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070206191621.NUC26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" > Date: 2007/02/06 Tue PM 03:37:13 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Laura, > How about enamel-covered wire of the type used for winding motors and > transformers? It is the right gauge, dark in color, and very low cost. I have done this, using 42SWG (#38 for you across the pond) and wire-ended indicator lamps. It can be described only as a PITA to assemble, but works well. The trouble is that all the connections need to be soldered. They run off a 12V transformer, with a 500W ballast to keep the dimmer happy tucked away where you can find space. It is nearly impossible to store and re-use such a drop. Maybe it could store just by flying it out: I can't do that, as there is no space. I have found it to work very well, and be largely invisible until lit. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:10:31 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable In-Reply-To: References: Thanks for the suggestions. My assistant was able to find the cable I needed. For reference, you can get small gauge 2 wire cable from Industrial Electric Wire and Cable in Plano TX. email: amelton [at] iewc.com On 2/6/07, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" > > Date: 2007/02/06 Tue PM 03:37:13 GMT > > To: "Stagecraft" > > Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Dear Laura, > > How about enamel-covered wire of the type used for winding motors and > > transformers? It is the right gauge, dark in color, and very low cost. > > I have done this, using 42SWG (#38 for you across the pond) and wire-ended indicator lamps. It can be described only as a PITA to assemble, but works well. The trouble is that all the connections need to be soldered. They run off a 12V transformer, with a 500W ballast to keep the dimmer happy tucked away where you can find space. > > It is nearly impossible to store and re-use such a drop. Maybe it could store just by flying it out: I can't do that, as there is no space. I have found it to work very well, and be largely invisible until lit. > > > Frank Wood > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: RE: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:14:08 -0500 Message-ID: <006a01c74a2b$5c249920$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-reply-to: > So, with modern alarm systems you have a crowd control manager with a > microphone that's been cut off by the automated alarm. What do they > do, hold up signs? The NH code does not require the sound system to be cut off, IF it is used by the crowd control manager to assist in evacuation. Obviously, the program material needs to stop. There is no electrical connection between the alarm system and the sound system, however. The alarm system itself has pre-recorded voice announcements, which might well interfere or compete with any use of the PA by the crowd control manager, however. There are a lot of duties of the crowd control manager, including pre-event inspections of exit doors and aisles, pre-event announcement of exit locations, etc., steering patrons to the nearest exit, sweeping the building to make sure everyone is out, assisting the disabled, etc. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:26:00 EST Subject: Re: Raft for Big River JRosenve [at] ci.rancho-cucamonga.ca.us writes: << This April we are doing a production of "Big River" and I am looking for a raft to rent. >> Deaf West Theatre in North Hollywood did a national tour of this a few years back. Their "raft" was built into the set floor. Perhaps you can rent the whole thing? Phone Voice: (818) 762-2998 TTY: (818) 508-8389 Fax: (818) 762-2981 Email: info [at] deafwest.org I don't know anyone there personally, but I'd bet someone on the list does! Kristi ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: Fire Drills (was RE: Automated Alarms) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c74a30$d24a7890$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-reply-to: Bill Nelson writes... > They don't even include simulated emergencies. Just a few > hours of lecture/discussion and maybe a theatre orientation. I'm curious as to how many localities require places of assembly to conduct regular fire drills. By that, I mean during a rehearsal. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:57:16 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: References:

Thank you all for your suggestions and I assure you that I agree with virtually all that has been said. I just have to walk that fine line between reality and designer desire for the next few days/weeks in order to arrive at the best solution. I started a plywood sample earlier today in an attempt to convince the PTB that it is a workable solution. We'll see. Also, FWIW, I can achieve the 1300 sq.ft. of coverage with 3/4BCX for about $600.00, so this is obviously my choice for the project. Thanks, -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C8EF24.5090105 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:12:04 -0500 From: Michael Drury Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor References: In-Reply-To: A last resort, you could explain, again, that you would love to use the more stick goods. However, since the budget will not allow it, that is not a possibility. If the designer is still being difficult, let him/her know how much you can afford and offer to use the more expensive material if the designer will pay the difference out of his pocket. Be sure to smile sweetly the whole time. Michael Drury ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:22:50 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: References:

As I sit here with many knowing (and reminiscing) nods and grins, I reflect upon the many different types of "artists" that we all are here in this world of theatre. Thanks Michael. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 2/6/07, Michael Drury wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > A last resort, you could explain, again, that you would love to use the > more stick goods. However, since the budget will not allow it, that is > not a possibility. If the designer is still being difficult, let > him/her know how much you can afford and offer to use the more expensive > material if the designer will pay the difference out of his pocket. Be > sure to smile sweetly the whole time. > > Michael Drury > ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References:

Subject: RE: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00cf01c74a35$f903b3c0$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: This is perhaps one of the best arguments for a web-based chat system, rather than a simple email list. Then people could move between various virtual rooms, while still keeping an eye on what's happening in the main room. And this suggestions by no means precludes continuing to use this list. Jim RC4 > Have the discussion and start them on the list if you so > desire, but when they veer from fun tangent to 60% of the > conversation, please please please take them to another > happier place, where you can shout all you want, and disturb > those already disturbed (and for the record I INCLUDE MYSELF > IN THAT LAST REMARK). ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:35:22 EST Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor Tim - Not certain about your area, but here in Happy Valley ww have a place that recycles used building materials. The proceeds go to Habitat for Humanity I think. I'd be more concerned with flame retarding such a large area. What's the point of having rough wood when it needs to be painted? Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <$blmajKyYPyFFwJz [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:42:10 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Star Drop Cable References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Occy writes >Sounds like a job for telephone hookup wire and a can of flat black >paint. Ooopps and some solder & tape. What voltage are these lamps? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:45:34 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: References: Hi Kristi, Could you get me contact info for the H-4-H place? I also think "painted" is a strong term. It is more like bury the wood in the ground for a few weeks, "clean" it and "tone" it with dirty water. Thanks, Tim On 2/6/07, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Tim - > > Not certain about your area, but here in Happy Valley ww have a place that > recycles used building materials. The proceeds go to Habitat for Humanity I > think. > > I'd be more concerned with flame retarding such a large area. What's the > point of having rough wood when it needs to be painted? > > Kristi > > -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:13:02 +0000 Message-Id: <20070206231302.FGWO26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "David B. Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/06 Tue PM 08:14:08 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > There are a lot of duties of the crowd control manager, including pre-event > inspections of exit doors and aisles, pre-event announcement of exit > locations, etc., steering patrons to the nearest exit, sweeping the building > to make sure everyone is out, assisting the disabled, etc. The job title intrigues me. When does an audience become a crowd? That apart, there are really two jobs here, safety inspection and audience guidance. How we worked it was to have a team of safety advisors inspect the show in a late rehearsal. I was one of them, and we did a thorough safety check both backstage and FOH. Fire appliances, exits, emergency lighting, final exit pathways to the safe assembly area, all were checked. On stage, trip hazards, temporary cable runs, hand rails on stairs, set and props storage, hazardous materials were all looked at. If naked flame was used, or pyrotechnics, the SM had a briefing to make sure that the crew knew what to do. All the House Managers, and many of their assistants had some training in the use of fire appliances, usually by the company which supplied and serviced them; occasionally by me, when there was an administrative problem. I didn't have a tank to demonstrate dealing with flammable liquids, but everyone had a chance to extinguish a small fire with a portable. They also had instruction on our 'evacchairs', which are for getting disabled patrons down stairs. We need those because our auditorium entrances and exits are on first floor level. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Fire Drills (was RE: Automated Alarms) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:23:08 +0000 Message-Id: <20070206232308.ZDXR219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "David B. Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/06 Tue PM 08:53:13 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Fire Drills (was RE: Automated Alarms) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > I'm curious as to how many localities require places of assembly to conduct > regular fire drills. By that, I mean during a rehearsal. Precious few, I think. It uses time, for which you may be paying, it de-sensitises the cast and crew to the alarm signals. To do it for real, you need an unprepared audience, and some simulation of smoke. Getting the cast and crew out is easy, as they are few in number. Injuries are possible, too. > > Regards, > > Dave Nelson > > Technical Director > Adams Memorial Opera House > Derry, NH, USA > > > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C91250.7000105 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:42:08 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: House Management Resources A friend of mine has asked me to post this..... Are there any mail forums or resources specific to House Management/FOH staff issues that are good? Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks again! ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:33:59 EST Subject: Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? One of my MK friends said there was an accident at a Pittsburgh arena. Anyone know more? She said: The convention center where the Pgh conference is to take place suffered some major structural damage yesterday - a tractor trailer fell through the floor so I'm not even sure the building will even be up to par for us to use. If not . . . . Pgh is not very well equipped to handle 2,000 - 3,000 women in another center - we don't have one! The convention center was holding a car/truck show and as they were backing the truck out, it fell through the floor. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:02:26 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? In-reply-to: Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <005601c74a64$659950c0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:34 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- One of my MK friends said there was an accident at a Pittsburgh arena. Anyone know more? Kristi http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07037/759819-100.stm They have a number of links on this story. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C94AB3.5010004 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:42:43 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Anyone know more about Pittsburgh Accident? References: In-Reply-To: Looking at the history that was already in the press about the building all I can say is "Let the lawsuits begin" >accident at a Pittsburgh arena. >http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07037/759819-100.stm > > -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C9548B.8070206 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:24:43 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > Funny, but I always thought if it was a "Trilogy" that there were > three of them! Well, it's been a while since I looked at the books, but as I recall the later ones said on the covers something like "The Nth book in the increasingly-inaccurately-named Hitchhiker's Guide trilogy." -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:37:44 EST Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor Tim - (and others looking for inexpensive building materials) It's called "Habitat ReStore" _http://www.restoredane.org/locations.wi.cfm_ (http://www.restoredane.org/locations.wi.cfm) here are the Wisconsin locations. I didn't realize they had so many until I googled it. They are also in Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and South Dakota. that link will get you to a page where you an look at other states too. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:52:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <435743.93922.qm [at] web82215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > I didn't realize they had so many until I > googled it. They are also in > Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and South Dakota. Add Missouri to that list. It's an interesting place. Hit or miss as to if they will have anything useful, but it's still kind of fun to wander through. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1131 ******************************