Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42246101; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:38:34 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42194338; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:01:48 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1132 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:01:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1132 1. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Laura McMeley" 2. Measure anything with camera and software by Herrick Goldman 3. Re: Music Man Firecracker by "Alf Sauve" 4. Re: Projector shutter by "Andrew Nikel" 5. USITT Housing? by "Andy Leviss" 6. G-mail issues & digest readers by CB 7. Re: Automated Alarms by CB 8. low-cost worklights by "Alan Bryson" 9. Re: Cello Platform by CB 10. Re: politics (which includes space) by CB 11. Re: Excellent musicians by CB 12. Re: G-mail issues by CB 13. Re: Cello Platform by CB 14. Re: G-mail issues by "Thea Cooper" 15. Re: Excellent musicians by CB 16. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by CB 17. Re: Crowd Control Managers by CB 18. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Stuart Baulch" 19. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by Chip Wood 20. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by Rigger 21. Re: Automated Alarms by Bruce Purdy 22. Re: Star Drop cable by Scott Peterson 23. RE Low cost/low impact worklights by Thomas Grabowski 24. Re: G-mail issues by Chris Warner 25. Re: AARP by "Michael Powers" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:14:56 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: References:

They have them in Texas too. -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:40:25 -0500 Subject: Measure anything with camera and software From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/02/how_to_measure_.html For all you site surveyors out there. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Music Man Firecracker Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Alf Sauve" I, too, used a large, short, red dowel with a piece of cannon fuse. Make sure Tommy waves it around so the audience is aware of it. Then Tommy would throw it upstage under or behind the "riser" or dais that was used for the city counsel. The orchestra percussionist provides the "bang" with a slap stick. Cast/crowd member upstage is designated to make sure the fuse is out and remove it from the stage. Biggest problem we had was getting Tommy to light and throw the sucker before the cue. Invariably he was always behind.=20 Alf -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Warmbold, Bo Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:00 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Music Man Firecracker For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We are getting read to do the music man here at the high school and the question has come up about the best way to do the firecracker in the gymnasium scene. I thought I might ask how some of you have done this gag or others like it. =20 Thanks in advance Bo Warmbold, CTS. Assistant Technical Director Vernon Hills High School ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Nikel" Subject: Re: Projector shutter Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: Thanks, John. We do indeed make a Projector Dowser. There are a couple of things to note about it; it comes with a number of mounting methods and can be run from any Wybron Forerunner, Chroma-Q and Rosco PS power supplies. The list price on the #4160 PROJECTOR DOWSER is $775.00. Our Dealers often discount from list price so one should check with one's preferred lighting supplier for a purchase price. It comes with some Heavy Duty Velcro, rubber feet and a mounting plate that is counter-sunk for 4 #10 screws and has slots for a load strap. These slots are wide enough to accept a 1/2-13 bolt from a sidearm sliding tee, if one needs to mount the device from a sidearm. There's a contact closure connection in the rear of the fixture, for installations where they don't have DMX and are using Crestron or similar AV controllers. You can use a paper clip or bit of wire to connect the contact closure terminals to drive the unit without having to call the console operator, which is handy for demos as well. Andrew Andrew Nikel - Sales Manager City Theatrical, Inc. 752 East 133rd Street, Bronx, NY 10454 Voice: 718-292-7932 x23, Fax: 718-292-7482 email: anikel [at] citytheatrical.com ------------------------------ > I seem to recall a recent question asking about shuttering video > projectors... City Theatrical has a DMX-controlled shutter. - John ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <21994.71.249.218.210.1170867152.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:52:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: USITT Housing? From: "Andy Leviss" Cc: THEATRE-SOUND [at] LISTSERV.AOL.COM Hey guys, Just looking to see if anybody here's going to USITT and looking for a roommate, since--last minute, of course--it now ends up I may be able to go, but all the hotels are booked solid. If I can make it work, I'm probably heading out the 11th for the Meyer workshop, and staying through the end of the conference (leaving either night of the 18th or morning of the 19th). If anybody's going and has a room they're willing to share, please e-mail or call me at 908-227-9721 ASAP! Thanks a million in advance, Andy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207105321.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:53:21 From: CB Subject: G-mail issues & digest readers >Unless >single message readers get a different version of what I write, I'm not sure about g-mail in general, as I hardly use my g-mail account. I still like a POP account when I'm not on the road. Yours might be doing just what you expect it to, but there are those out there (according to some g-mail users) who *aren't* seeing the mile-o-quotes that they are posting to the digest. It;s those that I was referring to. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207111416.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:14:16 From: CB Subject: Re: Automated Alarms > To simply say that the group renting such a space simply "Shouldn't >allow it", is to ignore the real world in favour of a utopian vision. So is the advice to use hardware rated for overhead lifting when suspending an object over the heads of actors or audience. It is a bit utopian, and goes contrary to the conditions that exist in some community theatres, but in both cases lives are at stake. "Just don't put lives in danger" doesn't ring naive to me, and is the exact re-action I have to "We really can't afford anything other than clueless geriatric volunteers without skills or knowledge to be ushers in our house, and we can't suggest that they get the training, either, or they'd leave." You can either do a show safely or you shouldn't do the show. It's pretty simple math to me. And yes, while doing some guerilla theatre, I've done some stuff that I hope that this august body never hears about, as I would be embarrassed at how many lives I risked to maek the show happen. That was when I was young and ignorant. I hope to be over most of that by now. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:39:58 -0500 Subject: low-cost worklights From: "Alan Bryson" Dave Vick is right--i, have likewise "made holey" some POS fixtures, and rendered them far more long-lived. however, if you have some old leekos or can scrounge some from a nearby theatre, take out the lens tubes--and there you go--put 'em on your dimmers, and you don't have to run them full intensity--soft, nice light that's what you want. or, if you're like me, and don't want to use your racks and board, there are a multitude of cheap in-line dimmers that you can use to accomplish the same effect. for very little extra, you could get wireless remote units so any presenter could adjust the light levels however they wish. Works for us. . . alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207111836.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:18:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Cello Platform >Well, no, actually. The USPO merely attempts to keep track of who was >the first to invent a particular item My buddy, the patent lawyer, says that there is some verbiage that will disallow a garbage patent. It does have to prove some sort of potential for the possibility of usefulness. You don't need to make them understand it, as I understand, and the threshold is set pretty low, but there is a standard. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207112323.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:23:23 From: CB Subject: Re: politics (which includes space) >I think you might have a fight on your hands for that title, Paul. Fight! Fight! I'll be Minister of Coffee, just to stay out of this one. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207113034.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:30:34 From: CB Subject: Re: Excellent musicians >Jazz musicians tend to be the most "ego-less" group of performers I've ever >had the pleasure to work with. I think it's from the collaborative nature of >their work. Wha?!? Ehm, Kristi, you have to keep in mind that some of your experiences might be colored by the fact that you are 'Miss Wisconsin' quality attractive (or so I've heard), *and* really nice, *and* really smart. This may relate to something that a lot of jazz musicians have in common, but it ai'nt lack of ego. Lack of ego as it relates to other working musicians, yeah, maybe. As a sound engineer, I can tell you that they have ego and have it in reserve, even if they don't take it out while you're around. It was, a jazz musician that taught me never to be too intimidated to play with anyone. "You're never going to be exactly as good as anyone else. Teach those that aren't as good as you, and learn from those that are better than you." Life lesson that I've taken with me everywhere. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207113443.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:34:43 From: CB Subject: RE: G-mail issues >when the operator knows the parameters and pays attention it >does wonders. If you get sloppy, the results show. I was leaning towards 'inexperienced', and 'using new software'. those that have been posting to the list for a decade without regard to their fellow posters fall under the inattentive and sloppy and just plain inconsiderate umbrella, I've just noticed that there are a few noobs that have these issues. That's where my request to have some of the power-users post some hints came from. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207113841.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:38:41 From: CB Subject: Re: Cello Platform >Why is the Teamster's mascot the horse? Both can sleep standing up... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6ef616600702071105q8a7fc18v4d8eee4766738e74 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:05:03 -0500 From: "Thea Cooper" Subject: Re: G-mail issues In-Reply-To: References: > I was leaning towards 'inexperienced', and 'using new software'. those > that have been posting to the list for a decade without regard to their > fellow posters fall under the inattentive and sloppy and just plain > inconsiderate umbrella, I've just noticed that there are a few noobs that > have these issues. Oh, believe me, I will be very careful from now on. ~Thea ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207114052.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:40:52 From: CB Subject: Re: Excellent musicians >> Ego is inversely proportional to talent! It's inversely proportional to something, but talent ain't necessarily it. Length, maybe, or girth, but not necessarily talent. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207120437.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:04:37 From: CB Subject: RE: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones >This is perhaps one of the best arguments for a web-based chat system, >rather than a simple email list. There have been quite a few suggestions for a web based this or that over hte years, and I say to all of them, "Go nuts." I really didn't care for my Exec at the last TV job I had, but he taught me one valuable lesson. When anyone came up with a great idea that 'we' should do, he gave them the task of implimenting it. That served to gauge thier enthusiasm for their own idea, and also assigned it to someone that believed in it, and would see it through. Or not. I really like the list as is, without censure, without filters, and my digest bbased on my pop account. There are a number of different chat rooms out there, and an endless supply of chatrooms that could be started. There is no reason to tear this old . comfortable sructure down for you to have your new-fangled, glass and steel condo. Start a web-based chat, invite all your friends, come back here to visit once in a while. And stagecraft is about theatre, and theatre-like subjects. The subject of theatre, and art in general, is human actions and interactions. A good portion of what we do here on the list is kinda like dogs sniffing butts to see how they'll interact. It ain't exactly fun to watch, but it's an easy way to get on with things. Some of it is the growling and protection of position and space in the pack, and some of it is more easily related to actually being on a stage. Quite a bit of what we discuss that seems off-topic (beer and barbecue, for two examples) are some of the road-dogs finding out what and where they can make their dreary-repetetive, eight-show-a-week lives jsut a bit more tolerable and exciting. Show of hands, who wants to take this away from them? We all could learn a bit about tolerance, reading some of the 'off-topic' stuff on this list. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070207120737.00c9eb30 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:07:37 From: CB Subject: Re: Crowd Control Managers >The job title intrigues me. When does an audience become a crowd? Audience: A group of people watching a performance. Crowd: Same group when there isn't a performance. Mob: Same group when there isn't a performance and the crowd thing is poorly managed. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <650b0e8b0702071214x3eba85aeh6de10cc090de06b0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:14:47 -0500 From: "Stuart Baulch" Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor In-Reply-To: <650b0e8b0702071159w618e2610s8dfa0721fc7817e1 [at] mail.gmail.com> References: <650b0e8b0702071159w618e2610s8dfa0721fc7817e1 [at] mail.gmail.com> Hi Tim (et al.) Info on the H4H ReStores fot the US and Canada can be found at: http://www.habitat.org/env/restores.aspx HTH Stuart B ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CA6C29.2060805 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:17:45 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: >> This is perhaps one of the best arguments for a web-based chat system, >> rather than a simple email list. > > There have been quite a few suggestions for a web based this or that over > hte years, and I say to all of them, "Go nuts." > I really like the list as is, without censure, without filters, and my > digest bbased on my pop account. > And stagecraft is about theatre, and theatre-like subjects. The subject of > theatre, and art in general, is human actions and interactions. A good > portion of what we do here on the list is kinda like dogs sniffing butts to > see how they'll interact. It ain't exactly fun to watch, but it's an easy > way to get on with things. Some of it is the growling and protection of > position and space in the pack, and some of it is more easily related to > actually being on a stage. Quite a bit of what we discuss that seems > off-topic (beer and barbecue, for two examples) are some of the road-dogs > finding out what and where they can make their dreary-repetetive, > eight-show-a-week lives jsut a bit more tolerable and exciting. Show of > hands, who wants to take this away from them? > Hey CB, when we meet in Phoenix at USITT, I will not,repeat not, sniff your butt, nor even allow you to sniff mine. Even tho the analogy is apt. I too like the status quo. Chip ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:27:10 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones At 5:17 PM -0700 2/7/07, Chip Wood wrote: > Hey CB, when we meet in Phoenix at USITT, I will not, repeat > not, sniff your butt, nor even allow you to sniff mine. Now I have to go gouge out my mind's eyes with a splicing fid. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Automated Alarms Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:34:30 -0500 On 7 Feb 2007, at 06:14, CB wrote: >> To simply say that the group renting such a space simply "Shouldn't >> allow it", is to ignore the real world in favour of a utopian vision. > > "Just don't put lives in danger" doesn't ring naive to me, and is > the exact > re-action I have to "We really can't afford anything other than > clueless > geriatric volunteers without skills or knowledge to be ushers in our > house, and we can't suggest that they get the training, either, or > they'd > leave." Whoa there Chris! Too much of your famous caffeinated beverage today? First of all, you are confusing two separate threads that I had responded to in different posts. In thread the first, I had indicated that our house staff is largely made up of elderly women, and all of them volunteers. The question that I was answering was "What are the ushers there for if not to hunt down and kick out cell phone camera users?" I responded that they are there to collect tickets, hand out programmes and to help people find seats. This is NOT a safety issue, as they are in fact also briefed on emergency evacuation plans. I didn't mention that at the time, as it was not germane to the topic at hand which was dealing with cell phone photographers. In thread the second (the one that generated the quote you responded to) The topic was a community theatre group using a performance space that did not come with a trained crown control manager. Someone said "You shouldn't allow it!" I was merely pointing out that this was a simplistic response that did nothing to help solve the situation. Take a deep breath Chris, this is not a conspiracy against safe practices! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <28561473.1170898386693.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:33:06 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Scott Peterson Reply-To: Scott Peterson Subject: Re: Star Drop cable Hello, You could try regular Belden 8451, 2 cond mic cable, 22awg, stranded, available with a black jacket. A 500ft box is about $70 at your favorite electronics supplier, or Audio vendor. This is fairly common wire, so it should be readily available. Or you could try 20/2 black zip cord... But that's a bit harder to find. -Scott Scott Peterson Technical Director - Highlander Auditorium Upland Unified School District - Upland CA scott [at] highlanderauditiorium.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:41:24 -0600 From: Thomas Grabowski Subject: RE Low cost/low impact worklights Cc: wdavis [at] du.edu Message-id: I use (in our thrust theatre with a 25" throw) 3 Altman 161 scoops with 500 watt lamps in them. The lamps area few dollars at Wal Mart. They are a bit big but they have been in use now for about 13 year with no real problems. > >From: Davy Davis >Subject: Low cost/low impact worklights > > >We have an old proscenium theatre and the only worklights are directly=20 >above the stage. We hold a lot of classes in this space and the lack of=20 >light on the students faces has become a real distraction for some of=20 >the faculty. So, I am looking for recommendations for low cost/low=20 >impact lights to hang in our front of house position, throw about 20'.=20 >I don't want to use our theatrical fixtures due to cost of lamps and the=20 >environmental impact. These lights will probably be on for 4-10 hours a=20 >day. >Thanks, >Davy > >------------------------------ --=20 Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CA98C9.3070403 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:28:09 -0800 From: Chris Warner Subject: Re: G-mail issues References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > I was leaning towards 'inexperienced', and 'using new software'. those > that have been posting to the list for a decade without regard to their > fellow posters fall under the inattentive and sloppy and just plain > inconsiderate umbrella, I've just noticed that there are a few noobs that > have these issues. That's where my request to have some of the power-users > post some hints came from. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 > > Are you insinuating that I am of that group? After all I am admittedly lazy and sloppy when operating software at times. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702072208x5e8cc91ex7b7114da4a327760 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:08:15 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: AARP CB wrote: >>You could shoot it my way, too. >It's already there... Chris, I too would like to see what you have. I confess that I'm an AARP member and get enough motel/hotel and resturant discounts to more than pay for the anual fee, so, for me, it's worth it, regardless of any other issues. However, I like to be informed about whatever organizations I deal with. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1132 ******************************