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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42272990; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:03:18 -0800 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,PRXY_USER_DROP_SINO,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1134 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:01:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1134 1. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by "Le Hook" 2. Digest Question erratic delivery by "Rob Riddle" 3. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "Ben Hain" 4. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by "Michael Brubaker" 5. Re: Artificial Snow by "Chris Fretts" 6. Re: Automated Alarms by "Bill Conner" 7. AARP by "Bill Conner" 8. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Loren Schreiber 10. Smokers on a call by "Christopher H. Beck" 11. Re: Smokers on a call by Charlie Richmond 12. Re: Smokers on a call by "Storms, Randy" 13. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Re: Smokers on a call by Charlie Richmond 15. Re: Smokers on a call by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 16. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by Rigger 17. Re: Smokers on a call by Rigger 18. Re: Smokers on a call by Rigger 19. Re: Smokers on a call by Michael Heinicke 20. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Jerry Durand 21. Re: Smokers on a call by 22. drafting quality v quantity in CAD (was Re: G-mail issues) by "C. Dopher" 23. Missing digests by CB 24. Re: Intercom Needs by CB 25. Re: Intercom Needs by CB 26. Re: Intercom Needs by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Intercom Needs by 28. Re: Missing digests by "Rob Riddle" 29. Re: G-mail issues by CB 30. Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones by CB 31. Subject: Re: G-mail issues by Tony Tambasco 32. Re: Automated Alarms by CB 33. Re: G-mail issues by CB 34. Re: AARP by CB 35. Re: Definition of Scenic Design by "Michael Powers" 36. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "Rob Riddle" 37. Re: G-mail issues by "Thea Cooper" 38. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by CB 39. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "Michael Brubaker" 40. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "Rob Riddle" 41. Re: Smokers on a call by "Laura McMeley" 42. Artificial Snow by "Rachael Hunter" 43. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "John Penisten" 44. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "John Penisten" 45. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Steve Bailey 46. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Jerry Durand 47. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "Paul Schreiner" 48. 360Q maintenance by "Paul Schreiner" 49. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by jonares [at] hevanet.com 50. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Kevin Lee Allen 51. Re: 360Q maintenance by "David B. Nelson" 52. keeping track of it all by Ron Cargile 53. Re: Definition of Scenic Design by MartySrq [at] aol.com 54. Re: Smokers on a call by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 55. Re: Smokers on a call by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 56. Re: Intercom Needs by 57. Re: Definition of Scenic Design by 58. Lumber by Jason Haislet 59. Re: intercom needs by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 60. Re: Lumber by KEITH ARSENAULT 61. Re: Lumber by KEITH ARSENAULT 62. Re: Lumber by "Thea Cooper" 63. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "Klyph Stanford" 64. mirror resources for A Chorus Line by Nikki 65. Kite flying out: Little Women by "Scott Parker" 66. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by "Rob Riddle" 67. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by "Jason Salvatori" 68. Re: Kite flying out: Little Women by "Rob Riddle" 69. Re: keeping track of it all by Ian Schmidt 70. Re: Kite flying out: Little Women by "Scott Parker" 71. Re: Smokers on a call by "Occy" 72. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by "Paul Schreiner" 73. Re: Kite flying out: Little Women by "Bill Nelson" 74. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by Noah Price 75. Re: Smokers on a call by MissWisc [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:05:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Le Hook" "We all could learn a bit about tolerance, reading some of the 'off-topic' stuff on this list. Chris "Chris" Babbie" AMEN! Le Hook, Technical Director Alabama Shakespeare Festival ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001601c74c5e$6dbba7c0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Digest Question erratic delivery Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:24:43 -0500 I receive the digest version of the stagecraft through a different (earthlink) email address. I just received a second copy of #1128 and a copy of #1133. I have yet to receive a copy of #1132. I received my copy of #1131 BEFORE my copy of #1129. (two minutes) Is anybody else getting weirdness? Is this an earthlink thing? (Like somebody might know) or a stagecraft.net thing? Rob't ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:33:35 -0600 From: "Ben Hain" Cc: stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery It's not just you, I had the same problem but on AOL...though it was them again... Benjamin Hain Technical Director Hill Theater Rochester Community and Technical College Rochester Minnesota 507-285-7201 >>> stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com 02/09/07 9:24 AM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I receive the digest version of the stagecraft through a different (earthlink) email address. I just received a second copy of #1128 and a copy of #1133. I have yet to receive a copy of #1132. I received my copy of #1131 BEFORE my copy of #1129. (two minutes) Is anybody else getting weirdness? Is this an earthlink thing? (Like somebody might know) or a stagecraft.net thing? Rob't ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Steve Shelley wrote: >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/science/08quantum.html We've been joking about "LightStop" for years. Now, it is only a matter of time before you'll be calling in an order: "5 sheets RoscoLux, 2 HPL575, a roll of black gaff. And, oh yeah, throw in a can of LightStop. We've got another one of those productions where the director doesn't want shadows." Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design ------------------------------ Subject: RE:Artificial Snow Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:37:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1F8D150BAC5DCF44935C0F9247F31CF905496F [at] irt-exch.INDIANAREP.LOCAL> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Fretts" Rachael Hunter wrote: I have an upcoming show in need of three full stage snow =3D cradles. I am wondering just how much artificial snow is necessary for a =3D 30' snow cradle producing "heavy" snow. I have noticed that snow can be =3D bought in 30 lb. increments but I don't know how far that goes.=3D20 We use two motorized full stage snow drums (48' & 42' long) for our annual production of A Christmas Carol. The drums are used to provide a steady snow for about 8-10 minutes total during each performance and we do 8-9 performances per week. We budget about one box of snow per week. We do not reuse snow in the drums for fear of debris that might get into the stuff after it has been on the floor. The snow is the plastic variety from Consolidated Display in Illinois www.letitsnow.com . =20 We also started sifting the snow before we put the snow in the show drums to cut down on the smaller snow particles. Our production of A Christmas Carol runs for seven weeks and the actors have reported some vocal problems related to those small fibers in the air over the years. We built a drum with a smaller mesh screen to do this sifting. Our deck manager would sift each batch of snow for about 3 minutes. Since starting the sifting process, the reports of any vocal problems have almost completely stopped. =20 Finally, please say hello to Chris Hanna for me. I was the TD at VSC from 1986-95 and had a nice return visit there this past summer. Chris Fretts* Technical Director INDIANA REPERTORY THEATRE 140 W. Washington St. * Indianapolis, IN 46204 Direct line: (317) 916-4850 * Ticket office: (317) 635-5252 E-mail address: cfretts [at] irtlive.com For show times and tickets, visit http://www.irtlive.com/Shows/Shows.aspx . At the IRT, You Live More When It's Live! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014b01c74c69$e4606c70$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Automated Alarms Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:46:48 -0600 CB posted: "You can either do a show safely or you shouldn't do the show. It's pretty simple math to me." Hallelujah! If more of us did this, we wouldn't have to put up with so much crap. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014f01c74c6a$a03264d0$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: AARP Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:52:02 -0600 I'll betray my unspoken agreement with those that would suppress non-stagecraft related posts and reply to Mike's post: "I confess that I'm an AARP member and get enough motel/hotel and restaurant discounts to more than pay for the annual fee, so, for me, it's worth it, regardless of any other issues." with a welcome to the political agnostics of the stagecraft list. (And thanks for tip that besides hotels I can get a discount in restaurants! I didn't know that.) Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Digest Question erratic delivery Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c74c6c$06d9e270$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I just received a second copy of #1128 Wrap it in cellophane and keep it for 30 years, by which time a copy in = mint condition should be worth a fortune. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070209085116.039e2d10 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:10:38 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-Reply-To: References: This becomes more of a concern as many shops, my own included, adopt CNC routers and mills. Imagine the speed of taking a designer's very complex VW drawing and simply dropping into a CNC file for cutting. Now imagine having to go back in that very complex VW file to join lines that look like they touch, but don't, to remove lines buried under other lines, sometimes three and four deep. The CNC router will attempt to cut all lines or kick out the file entirely. I think this kind of sloppiness would have been evident in the same designer's hand drafting as well. It's just easier to hide in CAD. There have always been a few designers who depend on the work ethic of the technical staff to make sense of poorly-developed designs. > >The number one > >problem is having lines or shapes not quite joined. (it either is, or > >it is not) The other issue is multiple lines or shapes parked on top > >of each other. Amazing how you can see how someone drew something. > >Sometimes it just ain't pretty. > > >Mark-O Loren "Grits" Schreiber Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes http://www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ From: "Christopher H. Beck" Subject: Smokers on a call Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:17:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c74c6e$24a7aab0$6501a8c0 [at] D5SM0891> In-Reply-To: I know this is off point, but it's something that has bothered me for some time: Smokers on a call. I don't have a problem with the actual smoking of the cigarettes (it's their funeral, after all), but with the inequity of the extra breaks allowed to them to feed their addiction. Before I'm inundated with email along the lines of "I'm a smoker, and I never...", I realize that many wait for scheduled crew breaks to smoke, but others do not. There, that's off my chest. Christopher H. Beck President Entertainment Lighting Reps PH: 917-620-0864 FX: 646-349-5233 www.theatrereps.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Smokers on a call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, Christopher H. Beck wrote: > some time: Smokers on a call. I don't have a problem with the actual > smoking of the cigarettes (it's their funeral, after all), but with the Actually, the toll smoking takes on society extends much further than just causing the early death of smokers. You touch on one element (more frequent breaks) but there are many others, from much higher health care costs, the need for more health care workers, disability payments to people with severe emphysaema, early retirement costs and lower productivity as well as health risks to the general population and food and drink service workers from second hand smoke, although this is slowly being addressed. The list really goes on and on - but then we could also talk about the cost of irresponsible drivers who don't wear seat belts... Argghghhhhhh.... oops!!! > There, that's off my chest. Yeah, me too.... finally! So glad we decided we don't need to 'religiously' stick to directly related stagecraft things on this list!! C ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Smokers on a call Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:31:28 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70B49AF9B [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" I beg you - *beg* you - to abandon this thread before we have another = 3-week pissing contest.=20 Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Vexing Vectorworks Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07634A88 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I think this kind of sloppiness would have been evident in=20 > the same designer's hand drafting as well. It's just easier=20 > to hide in CAD.=20 And therefore more difficult to find and correct later...hence the time issue I mentioned in my response to this thread. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Smokers on a call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, Storms, Randy wrote: > I beg you - *beg* you - to abandon this thread before we have another 3-week pissing contest. I withdraw Message-ID: Please ignore it completely ;-) C ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Smokers on a call Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:58:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c74c73$edc41870$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > never...", I realize that many wait for scheduled crew breaks > to smoke, but others do not. I remember once being criticized by the Artistic Director of Florida Teeny-Tiny Theatre for my practice of occasionally clearing my head by taking quick walks outside; he'd noticed me doing so when he was outside smoking cigarettes. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:02:45 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! At 10:57 AM -0500 2/9/07, Michael Brubaker wrote: > "5 sheets RoscoLux, 2 HPL575, a roll of black gaff. And, oh > yeah, throw in a can of LightStop. We've got another one of > those productions where the director doesn't want shadows." Shipping'll be *expensive* for LightStop. I believe the active ingredient, LumenSuck, requires a hazardous materials transport permit. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:09:04 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Smokers on a call At 12:17 PM -0500 2/9/07, Christopher H. Beck wrote: > ...but with the inequity of the extra breaks allowed to > them to feed their addiction. Where does that occur, that the break policies are so lax? 'Cuz it sure doesn't happen anywhere I work... In any case, it seems to me that you should be holding the persons who sneak the extra breaks culpable, not the class of activity. FWIW, I've seen quite a few non-smokers sneak an extra cup of coffee or two outside regular break-times over the past coupla decades, too. Don't try to tell us that *that* doesn't happen. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design This has been a Special Presentation. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled Calendar of Recurring Threads. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:10:20 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Smokers on a call At 12:58 PM -0500 2/9/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >I remember once being criticized by the Artistic Director of Florida >Teeny-Tiny Theatre for my practice of occasionally clearing my head by >taking quick walks outside; he'd noticed me doing so when he was outside >smoking cigarettes. Now that's *funny*. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Smokers on a call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <689527.58834.qm [at] web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "Christopher H. Beck" wrote: > I know this is off point, but it's something that > has bothered me for > some time: Smokers on a call. I don't have a > problem with the actual > smoking of the cigarettes (it's their funeral, after > all), but with the > inequity of the extra breaks allowed to them to feed > their addiction. Several people I have talked with started smoking mainly for this reason - so that they could get extra break time. I've noticed the same thing and have sometimes thought about starting to smoke just so that I could get more breaks! :) Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:03 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070209182003.C2ECB1AD08B [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 09:10 AM 2/9/2007, Loren Schreiber wrote: >I think this kind of sloppiness would have been evident in the same >designer's hand drafting as well. It's just easier to hide in CAD. >There have always been a few designers who depend on the work ethic >of the technical staff to make sense of poorly-developed designs. In hand drafting, you didn't have to make sure lines touched perfectly and if you drew over a line, it wasn't a big problem. Getting across that it now DOES matter is sometimes hard. I've also run into "fun" CAD to CAD transfer problems. Sending 3D solid models from TurboCAD to Solid Works (at the molding company) results in them being scaled down by 25.4 (I detect a metric error there). Reading my TC 11.2 file into the latest TurboCAD 12.2 results in bits of my solid model being moved and/or rotated. The joys of computers. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Smokers on a call Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:20:40 +0000 Message-Id: <20070209182040.LBAM26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Christopher H. Beck" > Date: 2007/02/09 Fri PM 05:17:14 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Smokers on a call > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know this is off point, but it's something that has bothered me for > some time: Smokers on a call. I don't have a problem with the actual > smoking of the cigarettes (it's their funeral, after all), but with the > inequity of the extra breaks allowed to them to feed their addiction. > Before I'm inundated with email along the lines of "I'm a smoker, and I > never...", I realize that many wait for scheduled crew breaks to smoke, > but others do not. I am, myself, a fairly heavy smoker, but I find it hard, if not impossible, to work with my hands and smoke at the same time. As I write this a small cigar is peacefully going out in an ashtray by my side. Were I working on a call, and I mean actually working, I shouldn't have enough hands to smoke. If am not actually working, why am I there? Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2D0B1149-383E-4970-9C32-AD19E7490D7D [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: drafting quality v quantity in CAD (was Re: G-mail issues) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:50:16 -0500 Paul Schreiner wrote: > Way > back when, it'd take an awful long time to do them, and the effort > involved wasn't worth doing it half-assed. Anyone who hand drafted > anything did so with (apologies to Mr. Hirsig) a certain respect for > Quality. And it showed. More importantly, one spent years learning HOW to draft in school or under the tutelage of a senior designer or both. Quality was taught. Now, though, the mechanics and ultimately quality control skills of hand drafting are given short shrift, mostly due to the fact that one must also learn a CAD program these days; the learning curve is steep. Starting with hand drafting gets the basic conventions communicated - but the final polish is lacking. Thus, the final polish (or even the necessary details) are lacking in CAD drawings. Just my opinion, of course. > > Now, I can whip up working drawings (proverbial bar-napkin sketches) > with more definition and precision than I could with actual hand > drafting years ago. And, in situations where bar-napkins are fine for > the communication of the work, those are great. But at the same time > there's been a diminution of the available time allotted for projects, > so that it's far too attractive an option to get away as much as > possible with bar-napkin VW drawings. I'm somewhat guilty of this myself - the drawings are inadequately dimensioned or an explanatory detail is missing because I didn't have the time to TAKE my time, or double-check the work. This seems to happen in the last stages of the design, though, when half the set is already built or the lights are already hung and I'm quickly re- designing some piece. One sign of this sloppiness that I see across the board is letting the computer do the dimensioning, without regard to real-world precision. This is especially a problem when the wrong snapping point gets selected. Dimensions must be double-checked against the model of the drawing that's in your head - and adjusted if necessary. Another area of sloppiness is simple line weights. People will spend hours getting their hatches perfect - but neglect to make the printed drawing readable - that is, conforming to standard industry expectations of line weight, dash styles, and colors. > I don't say this out of pride or anything but a sense of profound loss > of opportunity, but the last time I put together a complete set of > working drawings for any show--drawings worth binding--was back in > college. A lot of us just don't have the time any more to devote to > it. > > And while VW is a great tool, and while one can draft accurately and > much more quickly using that (or any other CAD tool worth its salt), > it still takes time to make the transition from a "drawing" to a > "drafting". And that's not time that a lot of us have. This is a great point, Paul, and one that cannot be stressed enough. The vast majority of us lack the time, we think, for the final polish. Sure, deadlines are shorter than they were even 10 years ago - I'm a relative newbie (compared to old salts like J McK and Stan P) but even I feel that I get hired on later and later in the process and drawings are thus due relatively sooner. But there is a way around this - and that's to learn the program formally and learn the organizational structures that will make the CAD program as transparent a tool as paper and pencil. You don't think about how to sharpen a pencil, do you? You don't have to think about how to roll the pencil to produce a consistent line across a paper, anymore, do you? CAD has to be learned that well in order for it to work right. That same vast majority of designers could really use a re-learning of their CAD toolbox in order to improve efficiency. There are ways of ensuring your dimensioning and line weights pretty much take care of themselves. There are ways of setting up libraries, symbols, presets, macros, templates, and the like that improve efficiency, ensure consistency and accuracy, and contribute to the final polish. But so many designers start from scratch on nearly every project. And, yes, for full disclosure, I should mention I teach VW and constantly stress taking the time out to set up VW in the way YOU need it; to take advantage of its capabilities to shorten AND improve your drafting during crunch times, to learn the program enough ahead of time to make the program a transparent part of the process when producing gotta-have-it-now drawings. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209113047.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:30:47 From: CB Subject: Missing digests Cc: noah-web [at] theprices.net Hey, I got nothing yesterday, and today I got yet another issue of #1128, but no #1132. I did get today's(?) #1133, however. Anyone ouyt there have a copy of #1132 that they could forward? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209113950.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:39:50 From: CB Subject: Re: Intercom Needs >My latest "Wish list" that I just turned in to the board, includes >a wireless power supply If they get you one, order a coupla dozen of those for me, along with the cordless AC cables. Seriously, though, get the 4 pak. So much easier to have the spare already there than to spend the money AGAIN after you've already skrood the show. Get the 4 pak, and be done with it. Basic house intercom need are: Two less jacks, beltpaks, and headsets than are needed, jacks are invariably ten feet (or more) from where they'd be useful, and there are three more dual muff headsets than there are need for (meaning that there are three). There are as many spares as there are broken components, as the broken components will never be repaired as long as there are replacements. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209114405.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:44:05 From: CB Subject: Re: Intercom Needs >"Alex! I'm in my dressing room! Can you hear me >in your dressing room?!" screamed in my ear in the middle of a show. I've worked with kids, and none of the kids I've worked with would ever do this. Again. This is not a com issue, this is a discipline issue. Turn on the boxes, and lable them "For official use only. Unofficial use will get you sent back home to your mom." And then simply enforce it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:10:31 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Intercom Needs In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070209191031.B94DC1AD4D2 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References: At 03:39 AM 2/9/2007, CB wrote: >There are as many spares as there are >broken components, as the broken components will never be repaired as long >as there are replacements. I worked with a guy who would insist on putting used, darkened lamps back in the boxes on the shelf "just in case we need them". Of course he wouldn't mark them, so they'd be inventoried as new and then we'd find a cabinet full of used lamps and no new ones. I eventually threatened his life enough that he put them in his desk (I don't care what's in his desk, as long as it stays there). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Intercom Needs Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:13:48 -0500 Message-ID: <32A39D1520CCF04194CB231862590B08CEA361 [at] ocdata1.OCFL.NET> From: We are a road house but do mostly industrial theater so there a plethora of people believing (often erroneously) they need a headset. It's a 2600 seat narrow fan house with proscenium stage. Our rig is a 4 channel base station with 2 channels daisy chained throughout the space. Those 2 channels of the system show up in a total of 30 or so places around the stage, house, booths and dressing room area. We can go direct into the base station for the 2 additional channels with dry lines if necessary. We have wall stations in each of our dressing rooms and green room (5 total), a biscuit with handset at FOH for audio and a handset on the base station. 20 to 25 beltpacks at any given time are available, depending on how many got shanghai'd by the last AV contractor that just dumped everything on stage into their road box in a hurry to get things on the truck. We also have 6 dual channel beltpacks which get used maybe a couple of times a year on those occasional live to tape shoots. We have 4 stations of 2 channel wireless UHF com which DO come in handy! Since we are ClearCom based, we also have a TW12B interface to tie our system into those "other" standards floating around out there. Highly recommended that you have some form of isolated interface for that eventuality, whichever standard you use! We only have 1 but would kill for a second since they are single channel units. Hope that helps! Best Regards; Dave Dickinson Supervisor, Linda W. Chapin Theater Orange County Convention Center =20 Note: No trees were harmed in the creation of this message but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. BEGIN QUOTE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <45CB5678.9060601 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:57:28 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Intercom Needs A question for those of you in road houses (and other venues where the=20 facility does not produce its own work.) What is the house intercom package like? How many stations/beltpacks?=20 Wired or wireless? Thanks, Steve L. --=20 Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006a01c74c7e$efa644f0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Missing digests Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:17:26 -0500 TMK #1132 has not been distributed yet. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" > > Hey, I got nothing yesterday, and today I got yet another issue of #1128, > but no #1132. I did get today's(?) #1133, however. Anyone ouyt there have a copy > of #1132 that they could forward? > Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209115719.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:19 From: CB Subject: Re: G-mail issues >> Oh, believe me, I will be very careful from now on. Why, that's very polite of you! I think we should put you in charge of 'Olde Pharte' training! Some of 'em have just about go the reply button figured out, and have yet to learn how to work the 'delete' key. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209120036.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:00:36 From: CB Subject: Re: STOP THE INSANITY... A new thread to kill old ones > Hey CB, when we meet in Phoenix at USITT, I will not,repeat not, sniff > your butt, nor even allow you to sniff mine. We will perform some human analogue to the dog ritual. It won't be the same ritual, but it'll have the same results. It looks like I may only day-trip up, prolly Friday or Saturday, depending on when most of the Lister's will be there and when the beer will flow. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Tambasco Subject: Subject: Re: G-mail issues Message-ID: <788444.21555.qm [at] web50715.mail.yahoo.com> > Tools like VW and gmail allow one to do an awful lot of > things. Way back when, it'd take an awful long time to > do them, and the effort involved wasn't worth doing it > half-assed. Anyone who hand drafted anything did so > with (apologies to Mr. Hirsig) a certain respect for > Quality. And it showed. Yet another "advantage" of Linux is that CAD programs tend to be primitive at best, and so I still do much of my drafting by hand. :) I'd like to think that my drawings are far from half-assed, but the occasional stray smudge or mark that just won't erase remind me all too well of the rapid turn over I face. I'm just putting together a web portfolio now, and the Gimp is coming in mighty handy for cleaning up what an eraser and a cleaning pad won't. Tony Tambasco email: tambascot [at] yahoo.com cell: 716-450-8148 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209120903.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:09:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Automated Alarms > Whoa there Chris! Too much of your famous caffeinated beverage today? The answer is always 'yes'. And 'no'. > First of all, you are confusing two separate threads that I had > responded to Ehm, I wasn't necessarily speaking about your elderly ushers. My comments were in response to the house managers that I have worked with who don't seem to want to use anyone that might have some sort of skills. Like night vision ("You can't put the speakers there, the ushers don't see so well in the dark, and they might knock them over!"), or the ability to escort a patron to their seat ("She can't do stairs at all") or even light vision ("You have to read her the seat number"). It isn't always about you. Mostly it's about me, I thought you'd have gotten that by now. And I stand by my earlier comment. If you can't find a way to conduct your show's safely, than you shoudn't do them. the alternative is to find a way to coinduct your shows safely. It *is* simplistic, but that's only because it's a really simple equation. 'Not Safe' is no way to provide entertainment. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209121227.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:12:27 From: CB Subject: Re: G-mail issues > Are you insinuating that I am of that group? After all I am > admittedly > lazy and sloppy when operating software at times. I'm insinuating nothing, What you infer is your own business, but "I think the lady doth protest too much". The whole offended thing might have come off a bit stronger if you hadn't replied with my entire post attached; headers, sig, and all... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209121549.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:15:49 From: CB Subject: Re: AARP >>> You could shoot it my way, too. >> It's already there... > > Chris, I too would like to see what you have Just so its clear, I don't have any dirt on AARP, or facts, or figures. What I have been posting is my opinion, and my feelings about their laserlike focus on getting stuff for anyone over 55 (and hoping to move that line down) regardless of their needs, while actually going after arts, education, and the poor to get their 'needs' met. I'fn you want the rest of the rant, I will be glad to fwd it to you, but it is just that, and emotional opinionated rant. thankeweverramush. goo'nigh'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702091140h72a877fbv2d662ff2d05c9020 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:40:22 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: Definition of Scenic Design Jared Clarkin wrote: > ...............................a general definition > of Scenic Design. ..................... Creating the environment of the production. Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009901c74c82$8d21f1e0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:43:18 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > I just received a second copy of #1128 Wrap it in cellophane and keep it for 30 years, by which time a copy in mint condition should be worth a fortune. Where may I find byte resistant archival grade cellophane? Rob't ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6ef616600702091144i1c83a8c6yeede7b33541acaf2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:44:31 -0500 From: "Thea Cooper" Subject: Re: G-mail issues In-Reply-To: References: >I think we should put you in charge of > 'Olde Pharte' training! Some of 'em have just about go the reply button > figured out, and have yet to learn how to work the 'delete' key. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > Oh, no. I wouldn't want to put you out of a job. Dang. So much of what is conveyed in voice tone is lost in type. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070209122236.00c73008 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:22:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! >It's not going to save any energy, despite what the article stated. Not unless they >find a way to produce a metallic superconductor cloud at near room temperature. > >Also, they just stored a single pulse in that BE cloud. It is unknown whether the >cloud could store a complex waveform or a string of pulses. There is also the >question of signal degradation over time. Careful, Bill. This is going to rest in history right next to, "The world is flat! It's much to dangerous to go beyond the horizon!", and, "If Man were meant to fly, he'd have been born with wings!", and, "Of course the Earth is the center of the Universe", and,"Ogg, Fire bad! Fire Hurt Mlah!". How far was the first telephone conversation apart? What did Edison record on the 'first' recorder? How far did Marconi's first radion get? It's a baby step, brother. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Digest Question erratic delivery Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:50:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- Rob Riddle wrote: >From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" >> I just received a second copy of #1128 >Wrap it in cellophane and keep it for 30 years, by which time a copy >in mint >condition should be worth a fortune. >Where may I find byte resistant archival grade cellophane? >Rob't Got a roll right here next to the LightStop that no one can afford to pay shipping for. Mike Brubaker Head of Design ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00b101c74c84$d0a5f680$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:59:31 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery > Rob Riddle wrote: > > >From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > > >> I just received a second copy of #1128 > > >>Wrap it in cellophane and keep it for 30 years, by which time a copy > >>in mint condition should be worth a fortune. > > >Where may I find byte resistant archival grade cellophane? > >Rob't > > Got a roll right here next to the LightStop that no one can afford to pay > shipping for. > > Mike Brubaker I'll trade you straight across for a can of Spew-Not keyboard protector Rob't ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:17:20 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Smokers on a call In-Reply-To: References: My husband says he started smoking when working in a factory as a teenager. It was the only acceptable reason to take a break. Started a habit he still can't break. ------------------------------ Subject: Artificial Snow Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Rachael Hunter" Thanks for the Consolidated Display name, not the cheapest (try = ProductionAdvantageOnline.com) I've run across but comparable, plus very = informative about size 15 (1/4") vs. size 20 (1/2"). Since we are = running 28 performances (including techs) I'm interested in sifting the = snow. Any suggestions? I was thinking hardware cloth plus a thorough = sweep with a magnet, maybe? Rachael Hunter Assistant Technical Director Virginia Stage Company ------------------------------ Message-ID:<1008179925-1171052838-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1683715109- [at] bxe002-cell02.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: john.penisten [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery From: "=?UTF-8?B?Sm9obiBQZW5pc3Rlbg==?=" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:27:35 +0000 SSB0aGluayBpdCdzIG92ZXIgb24gdGhhdCBzaGVsZiwganVzdCB0byB0aGUgbGVmdCBvZiB0aGUg TGlnaHRTdG9wIGFuZCB0byB0aGUgcmlnaHQgb2YgdGhlIGxlZnQgaGFuZGVkIGhhbW1lciA7KQ0K DQpCZXN0LA0KSm9obg0KDQoNCldoZXJlIG1heSBJIGZpbmQgYnl0ZSByZXNpc3RhbnQgYXJjaGl2 YWwgZ3JhZGUgY2VsbG9waGFuZT8NClJvYid0DQoNClNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5riB3 aXJlbGVzcyBkZXZpY2UgIA== ------------------------------ Message-ID:<1555406551-1171053153-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-1455537503- [at] bxe002-cell02.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: john.penisten [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery From: "=?UTF-8?B?Sm9obiBQZW5pc3Rlbg==?=" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:32:53 +0000 SSBndWVzcyB0aGF0J3Mgd2hhdCBJIGdldCBmb3Igbm90IHJlYWRpbmcgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGUgcmVz dCBvZiBteSBpbmJveCBiZWZvcmUgcmVwbHlpbmcuICBJIGRvbid0IGtub3cgaWYgSSBzaG91bGQg YmUgc2NhcmVkIG9yIHJlYXNzdXJlZCB0aGF0IHNvbWVvbmUgaGFkIHRoZSBzYW1lIHJlc3BvbnNl IEkgZGlkLi4uLi4uDQoNCkJlc3QsDQpKb2huDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KPldoZXJlIG1heSBJIGZpbmQg Ynl0ZSByZXNpc3RhbnQgYXJjaGl2YWwgZ3JhZGUgY2VsbG9waGFuZT8NCj5Sb2IndA0KDQoNCkdv dCBhIHJvbGwgcmlnaHQgaGVyZSBuZXh0IHRvIHRoZSBMaWdodFN0b3AgdGhhdCBubyBvbmUgY2Fu IGFmZm9yZCB0byBwYXkNCnNoaXBwaW5nIGZvci4NCg0KTWlrZSBCcnViYWtlcg0KSGVhZCBvZiBE ZXNpZ24NCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVycnmuIHdpcmVsZXNzIGRldmljZSAg ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC509595 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: Vexing Vectorworks Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:08:54 -0500 Vectorworks has the ability to Join 2 lines. Select the 2 lines whose ends need to be joined, then go to Tools - Join. On Windows machines, keyboard command - Alt & Tool together, then J accomplishes the same thing. Of course care must be taken as to the accuracy of the final placement of the joined lines. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College >I think this kind of sloppiness would have been evident in the same >designer's hand drafting as well. It's just easier to hide in CAD. >There have always been a few designers who depend on the work ethic >of the technical staff to make sense of poorly-developed designs. In hand drafting, you didn't have to make sure lines touched perfectly and if you drew over a line, it wasn't a big problem. Getting across that it now DOES matter is sometimes hard. I've also run into "fun" CAD to CAD transfer problems. Sending 3D solid models from TurboCAD to Solid Works (at the molding company) results in them being scaled down by 25.4 (I detect a metric error there). Reading my TC 11.2 file into the latest TurboCAD 12.2 results in bits of my solid model being moved and/or rotated. The joys of computers. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:21:08 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070209212107.7CB4B1ADEE5 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References: At 01:08 PM 2/9/2007, Steve Bailey wrote: >Vectorworks has the ability to Join 2 lines. TurboCAD has this, too. Quite handy. >Of course care must be taken as to the accuracy of the final placement of >the joined lines. Especially if the CAD system changes scaling or moves parts around when you're not looking (like TurboCAD and Solid Works). :) :( -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Vexing Vectorworks Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:23:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07634C2C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Vectorworks has the ability to Join 2 lines. =20 True...but it's not always readily apparent without zooming in reeeeaallly close on every single intersection that the lines aren't correctly joined in the first place...which goes back (again) to the whole time-vs.-speed thing we've been talking about. ------------------------------ Subject: 360Q maintenance Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07634C3D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" I've got a few old 360Q bases which have suffered scorching inside the lamp base pin receptacles...is there an easy way to take them apart that I'm just not seeing in order to replace the lamp holder, or am I better off just buying whole caps? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200702092137.l19Lbnc09028 [at] broadway.hevanet.com> From: jonares [at] hevanet.com Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:37:49 GMT > And, oh yeah, throw in a can of LightStop. We've got > another one of those productions where the director doesn't want shadows." No, for that, you want "Shadow B Gone." - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:57:20 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-reply-to: Message-id: <02925B10-DF15-4E4B-B896-413851F8B955 [at] klad.com> References:

I have a ton of trouble dealing with the whole 'lines' issue/ question. Why lines? Why not shapes? Especially; why not 3D shapes? I can't speak (or write) for others, but I have always endeavored to try to prepare any file as 'properly' as possible. Why use a CAD program as a fancy way of using lines? Why not use a CAD program to better understand and detail the design? I'm sure it is done all too often, but it sure is baffling. On Feb 9, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Paul Schreiner wrote: > True...but it's not always readily apparent without zooming in > reeeeaallly close on every single intersection that the lines aren't > correctly joined in the first place...which goes back (again) to the > whole time-vs.-speed thing we've been talking about. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References: Subject: RE: 360Q maintenance Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01d801c74c95$c021b0e0$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: > I've got a few old 360Q bases which have suffered scorching inside the > lamp base pin receptacles...is there an easy way to take them apart that > I'm just not seeing in order to replace the lamp holder, or am I better > off just buying whole caps? There should be two screws that hold the TP-22 socket to the triangular aluminum "focus plate". Remove those two screws. You'll also need to remove the Heyco strain relief. I use Channel-Lock pliers for this, but there is a special tool you can purchase. It will probably crack, because of heat/age and need to be replaced. Plan to order some of these at the same time you order replacement sockets. You may need to at least partially remove the triangular "focus plate" in order to get the leads re-routed. You should be able to re-use the outside insulating sleeving unless it is damaged. You should not have to purchase the entire cap. You will need to bench focus the units after replacing the socket, using the four "focus" screws on the cap (three tripod and one center). Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20070209140125.020eaec0 [at] uci.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:07:33 -0800 From: Ron Cargile Subject: keeping track of it all Hi All, This query is mostly aimed at those working in an academic environment, but anyone can possibly help. I'm interested to know how you keep track of your lighting inventory. In my case, I have a bit more than 900 fixtures that by necessity are stored in 6 locations around our school, most of which are theatres that are unlocked and open most of the time. I have been extremely lucky in not having much of value go missing, but a recent scare has me thinking. I would *love* to centralize the inventory, barcode everything, and check out gear as its needed. That's not an option, at least not for another 5 years or so (after the new building is built). How do you manage your inventories? Thanks! ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine (via digest) ------------------------------ From: MartySrq [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:53:20 EST Subject: Re: Definition of Scenic Design Jared Clakin wrote: A friend of mine is working on a project and needs a general definition of Scenic Design. Anyone out there wish to share their favorite definition. Petlock's Rules of Theatre #6: "If you must put something between the actors and their light it may as well look good." Marty ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:57:56 GMT Subject: Re: Smokers on a call Message-Id: <20070209.145854.18186.1228891 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> What about taking a break to accept a private call on their cellphone? /s/ Richard ____________________ In any case, it seems to me that you should be holding the persons = who sneak the extra breaks culpable, not the class of activity. FWIW, I've seen quite a few non-smokers sneak an extra cup of coffee = or two outside regular break-times over the past coupla decades, too. = Don't try to tell us that *that* doesn't happen. Dave Vick ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Smokers on a call Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:02:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c74c9e$69002770$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > What about taking a break to accept a private call on their > cellphone? ...Or the folks who think the call time is when they're supposed to walk in with their breakfasts and start eating.... ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Intercom Needs Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:06:15 +0000 Message-Id: <20070209230616.SAVD17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/02/09 Fri AM 11:39:50 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Intercom Needs > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >My latest "Wish list" that I just turned in to the board, includes > >a wireless power supply > > If they get you one, order a coupla dozen of those for me, along with the > cordless AC cables. Too right! This would save all the clutter behind my desk. I currently have eight power outlets in use. > Basic house intercom need are: Two less jacks, beltpaks, and headsets than > are needed, jacks are invariably ten feet (or more) from where they'd be > useful, Hence the advantage of cue lights. If you know what you should do on a cue, they are line-of-sight, wireless devices. The crew need to be a bit better prepared, and to keep track of things. But the likely messages "Flies. Cue 31, standby" and "Flies, Cue 31 go" are of little help if you don't know what cue 31 is. > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Definition of Scenic Design Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:28:18 +0000 Message-Id: <20070209232818.SGPB17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Michael Powers" > Date: 2007/02/09 Fri PM 07:40:22 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Definition of Scenic Design > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jared Clarkin wrote: > > > ...............................a general definition > > of Scenic Design. ..................... > > Creating the environment of the production. I can't buy that. The environment is the whole of the theatre, and its facilities. The director has a view, too. And the rest of the design team. Some of them know what is technically feasible, and what not. To stage a production needs this to be taken into account. Don't get me wrong. I will do what I can to get a show up, according to the director's wishes. But I cannot always fulfil them. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Haislet Subject: Lumber Message-ID: <745428.11554.qm [at] web50004.mail.yahoo.com> Anybody else notice how lumber sizes are changing. 1x4 are no longer 3/4" x 3 1/2". They are smaller. 4x8 sheet goods are getting smaller as well. It doesn't seem to matter if the lumber is from a lumber yard, Lowes, or Home Depot. Is there a good reason, or are milling companies just trying to get more lumber out of a log? Jason Haislet, Carpenter (937)830-1116 Kettering, Ohio ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Subject: RE: intercom needs Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:50:29 -0800 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299BE4 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> In-reply-to: From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" I wasn't quite clear on the question. Were you referring to the number of belt packs/head set available, or to the number of locations to patch into the system? At the Chan Centre (10 yr old building), we have a "station" (belt pack/head set) in the sound pit and lighting booth all the time. A station is brought out each night for the SR Carpenter's Desk (SM Table) **3** We have 2 left in the spot booth at all times **2** We have 5 complete kits in Rubbermaid tubs for when we need them. **5** (so, I guess 10 in the big hall) As for patching, each patch box is in a larger sound patch box, and consists of 2 plugs for the A channel and 2 for the B channel. These are all over the place (DL DR, USL USR, Pit, Sound Booth, Sound Pit, Lighting Booth, Dimmer room, Amp room, Spot, catwalk (must be a couple up there), FOH Cove . . .) In the Studio space, we have 6 kits to be distributed when needed. We also have other loose belt packs and stations for those really big shows, with 2 event in both spaces, a production table or 3 . . . yada yada yada. Hope this helps Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre, UBC 604-822-2372 =20 *********************** You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in obscurity what it lacks in style. Stoppard, R&G are Dead ************************ =20 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4B5831FE-E546-4B13-A89D-A2315C24B22B [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Lumber Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:53:46 -0500 last time I bought luan, , , it was a tad more than 8'..... Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com On Feb 9, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Jason Haislet wrote: They are smaller. 4x8 sheet goods are getting smaller as well. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <35D578C4-F2D5-42D1-A8EE-A292BD0407DE [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Lumber Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:55:22 -0500 i have a Lowe's and a Home Depot nearby ( about 1/4 of a mile down the street from each other ) at the moment, they both have plywood from exactly the same supplier, at exactly the same price, Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com On Feb 9, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Jason Haislet wrote: It doesn't seem to matter if the lumber is from a lumber yard, Lowes, or Home Depot. Is there a good reason, or are milling companies just trying to get more lumber out of a log? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6ef616600702091603v64fedd48v7754d84facb71bbb [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:03:40 -0500 From: "Thea Cooper" Subject: Re: Lumber In-Reply-To: References:

> last time I bought luan, , , it was a tad more than 8'..... That's because luan (as opposed to plywood) comes in (hypothetically) 49"x97" sheets, as do some other things that are commonly used for countertops (I'm not sure why, but this is what I've always heard). If it was only a tad over 8', then yeah, it's shrinking as well. ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" References:

Subject: RE: Vexing Vectorworks Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c74ca7$7fde4130$7400a8c0 [at] Klyph1> In-reply-to: A few thoughts on the VW thread, and why some designers may appear to be "sloppy/lazy". I think it has to do with those of us who, when drafting, are still concentrating on creating drawings rather than files. I have only been drafting in VW for about 4-5 years. I switched from hand drafting because of the "export instrument data" function and because I can draft the plot for the next show in my hotel room rather than having to be in my studio. How a drawing looks on the printed page is far more important to me than how the file appears on your computer. You could probably zoom in on some of my files and find lines that do not meet up, but then we are talking about a level of magnification that won't matter one whit to my plotter. Now of course, no one is cutting out the pipe grid and Source Fours for my show using a CNC machine, either. As far as drawing line on top of line, I do it all the time, because I find it convenient for layout purposes. And again, as long as the line weights match, it does not matter to the plotter. What I find frustrating is designers who use different line color instead of using proper line weights, as well as those who draft on a black background and do things like dimension in yellow, which is next to impossible to read on white bond. So perhaps the things you assume are being lazy are in fact just those of us used to thinking about a drawing's visual presentation when printed out. And for the suggestion that computer based drafting be used to better understand the design, I find that counter-intuitive. I find it much easier to get the shape of an object to make sense by drawing it by hand. In fact I still draft most scenery by hand. Different strokes, I guess. Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nikki Subject: mirror resources for A Chorus Line Message-ID: <614983.86428.qm [at] web90607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello everyone. Quick background info: A director that I work with is thinking of doing A Chorus Line over the summer. It would be a fundraiser for the high school drama club kids as they start building funds to rent the flying equipment to do Peter Pan in the near future. Question: Does anyone have recommendations for inexpensive places to buy or rent the mirrors? We're in upstate NY (really upstate: Willsboro, NY). TIA ~Nikki Hilchey ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702091630u60bf8f28m7d084fa17931f0f6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:30:49 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Cc: hstech [at] googlegroups.com (hstech group) Subject: Kite flying out: Little Women hello all, We're doing Little Women and I need to figure out how to fly a kite. Not only that, but the actor has to let it go and it needs to fly out of sight, taking the string with it... OK, here's the kicker: Action is about 12' from the first row under a ten foot grid... I've been toying with fishing line. The actor has to come on stage and launch the thing as well... Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c74caf$b0a37a80$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:06:25 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki" Subject: mirror resources for A Chorus Line > Question: Does anyone have recommendations for > inexpensive places to buy or rent the mirrors? We're > in upstate NY (really upstate: Willsboro, NY). > TIA ~Nikki Hilchey > Recently, uh... last year... a new shop I know couldn't find cheap mirrors for their expansive new costume area. What they ended up doing is purchasing many sliding glass (mirror) closet doors from Home Depot / Lowe's. support the local arts, ask for 10% buy in bulk, ask for 10% Tickets in trade. Rob't ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780702091710s658ee77bv814b03983b829a49 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:10:02 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line In-Reply-To: References:

I've seen them done with Mylar on plywood. Not super cheap, but much cheaper than real mirrors. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002301c74cb3$2c38b7c0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Kite flying out: Little Women Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:31:21 -0500 Subject: Kite flying out: Little Women > hello all, > We're doing Little Women and I need to figure out how to fly a kite. > Not only that, but the actor has to let it go and it needs to fly out > of sight, taking the string with it... > > OK, here's the kicker: Action is about 12' from the first row under a > ten foot grid... > > I've been toying with fishing line. The actor has to come on stage and > launch the thing as well... Any suggestions would be appreciated. > I think you're on the right track. Hopefully there is a hole that it can fly up into past the grid and out of site of the audience. I suggest a small pulley at the termination of the flight path, so the operator in the grid, (did I say operator in the grid, hmm, so I did,) has a redirection of control line, to a viable working area up there. To get the actor's string away, maybe a redirect that the string goes through, once the kite is let go this is also activated and ends up laying up above on its own path out of site. The kite would have to go through this before activation. More info as to catwalks, please don't say there are no catwalks. Where it goes, Fly it out past the last row. How long a trick. (give them audience members long enough and some of them can figure it out) Rob't ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:33:34 -0500 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: keeping track of it all In-reply-to: Message-id: <45CD20EE.2030302 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: Ron, Here at GMU there are approx. 4 spaces all with different inventories. I keep mine here at the Concert Hall in "road" boxes. and have an excel file that lists all that I have. I've also been using a word temp. that helps with the loan/rent end but that is a rarity. The most important thing I've found is to keep an open dialogue with the other spaces Tech Directors or ME depending on the space to help cut down on items going missing. Barcoding is only done on equipment worth over X amount of dollars, i think the number is 2,000 here, and those items get checked by the University once or twice a year and they all need to be accounted for so the only way, other than it growing legs and getting taken away, that it disappears is to send it off to surplus storage. I'm not sure if this helps but it's how things work here. Ian Ron Cargile wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm interested to know how you keep track of your lighting inventory. > In my case, I have a bit more than 900 fixtures that by necessity are > stored in 6 locations around our school, most of which are theatres > that are unlocked and open most of the time. I have been extremely > lucky in not having much of value go missing, but a recent scare has > me thinking. I would *love* to centralize the inventory, barcode > everything, and check out gear as its needed. That's not an option, > at least not for another 5 years or so (after the new building is > built). How do you manage your inventories? > > Thanks! > ....Ron > ---- > Ron Cargile > ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine > (via digest) > -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702091741n144e15gc6732190bcb6841d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:41:28 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Kite flying out: Little Women In-Reply-To: References:

he he he... I suppose I should have mentioned the ceiling about nine inches above that ten foot grid... ;-) Flying past the audience: interesting... I'll ponder that further. On 2/9/07, Rob Riddle wrote: > operator in the grid, (did I say operator in the grid, hmm, so I did,) > > More info as to catwalks, please don't say there are no catwalks. > Rob't > > > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Smokers on a call Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:10:45 -0800 Or where your at Richard, its 3:30pm lose most of the crew time... ----- Original Message ----- From: --------------------------------------------------- What about taking a break to accept a private call on their cellphone? /s/ Richard ____________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:18:32 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! In-Reply-To: References: > > And, oh yeah, throw in a can of LightStop. We've got > > another one of those productions where the director doesn't want shadows." > > No, for that, you want "Shadow B Gone." Or, you could just get yourself some De-rector, and get rid of the *real* problem... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1129.205.215.253.96.1171087252.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:00:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Kite flying out: Little Women From: "Bill Nelson" > We're doing Little Women and I need to figure out how to fly a kite. > Not only that, but the actor has to let it go and it needs to fly out > of sight, taking the string with it... I don't recall any kite flying in that play. Is this something the director has added? Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <5A787726-D899-492B-B203-43278CC96129 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:20:35 -0800 On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Rob Riddle wrote: > Is anybody else getting weirdness? It's typically best to write to me directly about delivery problems. Like many, I don't always keep up with the list, and I'd like to know about problems sooner than later so I can fix 'em :-) In this case, the problem has been a list server script hanging. This script post-processes the digests adding the recipient's email address at the bottom. The main reason for having the scrip at all is somewhat unfortunate -- the digest is reported as spam through AOL at least once a month, the worst being a few months ago when someone reported a *month's* worth of digests all at once, which cost all AOL recipients a day or two delay for all mail from my server. So, I added the address so I can figure out who's reporting them. If it's an innocent mistake, no problem. If somebody is having trouble unsubscribing, or just doesn't want to bother, I can remove them and ban the address if necessary. For whatever reason, it's almost always a digest that is reported, so I only made the change for digests. The script is no longer being used, so the digest should return to it's regularly scheduled delivery. All the digests should have been delivered as of this morning, so if you haven't received any (and yes, some were delivered twice), there's some other problem to track down. For example, Yahoo delays mass email delivery and is just now getting the last of the queued digests and single messages. I've been in touch with Yahoo at least twice, but they don't seem willing to whitelist stagecraft delivery. If you're missing any digests you'll find the recent ones here: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/digest/2007/02_February/ Click "Back up" to get other months. Thanks, Noah ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:39:01 EST Subject: Re: Smokers on a call There are times when we are on the clock but don't have a pressing need, e.g. lamp check at hour before show, house opens at half hour before show thus we're just hanging around waiting for the audience to get in. If one of my brothers goes out for a cigarette during that half hour, I have no problem with it. I may even go out and enjoy the weather with him. Another example is when we're waiting for another department to get something done so the department I'm working in can do it's thing. I've actually been told "look busy for a little while" and "get lost for 15 minutes then meet me in the green room" by road crews. If someone wants to smoke during that time, fine. Some people I work with who are so addicted to the darn things that they can't get through 3 hours without one. I prefer they take the 5 minutes to feed their addiction rather than being a pain in the butt OR sneaking a cigarette onstage while we're setting up! I know that I have the right (recently guaranteed by federal court) to go to the bathroom when the need arises, yet that's not always practical during a show. I figure that the need for a cigarette is about as urgent/medically warranted as my need to use the bathroom, so if the opportunity isn't abused, I have no problem with it. The bigger thing is to let your department head, steward or someone know where you are and how long you'll be. As for the cell phone... Our IA local made it a finable offense to accept or make a call while working. This happened when one of our members was on a ladder (!) while simultaneously talking with a credit card company trying to complete an application. Talk about a fast way to anger your co-workers! Another case was someone trying to drive a fork lift while on the phone. That's all safety related! I'll look at my phone to see who it is calling and depending on the caller, may ask my supervisor if I can take the call. Again, good sense prevails. If I'm needed at that moment, I'm going to ignore the phone. If my son's school is calling, I'm going to try to take the call because it may be an emergency situation. If it's a friend, they can wait until break time. The running joke here is the BA will call to offer you another gig when you are at work just to see if you'll take the call! If it's causing a problem, the steward, business agent, department head, TD or whomever is supervising should have a chat, in private, with that person. That's just good people management. Kristi ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1134 ******************************