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Re: Smokers on a call by Brian James 2. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by "Bill Nelson" 3. websites for students by Judy 4. Re: websites for students by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 5. Re: Lumber by "Jon Ares" 6. Re: Artificial Snow by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 7. Re: drafting quality v quantity in CAD (was Re: G-mail issues) by "Patrick Immel" 8. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 9. Re: Lumber by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 10. Re: Lumber by KEITH ARSENAULT 11. Re: Cheap wood floor by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 12. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "C. Dopher" 13. Re: drafting quality v quantity in CAD (was Re: G-mail issues) by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 14. Re: Excellent musicians was Re: Rosco Image Pro by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 15. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by Herrick Goldman 16. Re: Artificial Snow by Stephen Rees 17. Re: Digest Question erratic delivery by "Michael Powers" 18. Re: Lumber by "Adriane Bennett" 19. Lumber & lauan by "Adriane Bennett" 20. Loading dock ramps... by "Steve Jones" 21. Internships by Andrew Vance 22. Re: Lumber by 23. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by Jason Haislet 24. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by "Laura McMeley" 25. Re: websites for students by "Steven Santos" 26. Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Michael de Almeida 27. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Al Fitch 28. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 29. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Jerry Durand 30. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Richard Bakos 31. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "Laura McMeley" 32. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Al Fitch 33. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 34. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "Patrick Immel" 35. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 36. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Richard Bakos 37. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 38. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 39. Re: websites for students by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 40. Re: websites for students by Charlie Fraser 41. Smokers on a call by b Ricie 42. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 43. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 44. Re: Smokers on a call by June Abernathy 45. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 46. Re: Smokers on a call by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 47. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 48. Re: *** Spam *** Loading dock ramps... by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 49. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 50. Re: Lumber & lauan by SS 51. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Herrick Goldman 52. Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Greg Williams 53. Re: Automated Alarms by "RD" 54. Re: websites for students by "RD" 55. Re: websites for students by "Scott Parker" 56. Re: Fwd: Stagecraft Digest #1132 by CB 57. Re: Smokers on a call by CB 58. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by "Michael Finney" 59. Re: 360Q maintenance by Stephen Litterst 60. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by "Paul Schreiner" 61. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by CB 62. Kite flying out: Little Women by CB 63. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by CB 64. Re: Smokers on a call by "Paul Schreiner" 65. Re: Smokers on a call by CB 66. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Greg Williams 67. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Herrick Goldman 68. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 69. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Rigger 70. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Rigger 71. Re: Smokers on a call by "Matthew Breton" 72. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Mike Brubaker 73. Re: USITT List Get Together? by Jim Hyslop *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <45CD854E.4090201 [at] gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:41:50 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Smokers on a call References:

In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > > In any case, it seems to me that you should be holding the persons who > sneak the extra breaks culpable, not the class of activity. > > Amen! This is not a smoker vs non smoker issue. This is a basic work ethic issue. We all know of or have worked with people that find many ways to avoid work. I just watched a crew call tonight. With three trucks to load, I watched one worker that always managed to have to look for something some where else (lord only knows what) every time something heavy had to be moved, lifted or cased. I watched another stage hand that managed to check every latch on every case to make sure it was in the correct position on the cases indoors. He did this when it was time to push the cases to the cold outdoors (I watched him check the FOH and monitors about 5 times each). By the way (not that I think it should matter) both were non smokers, they found their way to escape work as well as the smoker that I watched go outside and light up every hour on the hour during the load in and load out, regardless of what was happening at the time. The result for all 3 of them is going to be the same. On Monday, when I see them next, all three will be told to jump in and that it is expected that they do the "hard" stuff along with the "fun" stuff on any gig they work for me and break will be supplied for them on the same schedule everyone else gets them, otherwise they need to find a different employer. Since this is their first offense this will be delivered in a non threatening way, but in a way that leaves no doubt about my expectations for what they do on the clock. The issue here, again, is not whether a person smokes or not, it is whether or not they are doing what they are paid for. We all know there are hundreds of ways to get paid with out actually having to put effort into what we are doing. We all see it on different gigs, in different venues, in different countries and on a regular basis. It is just easier to notice the smoker because they need to leave the situation to smoke instead of finding ways to look busy, and now it is even easier to point at the smoker as slacker due to societies trend towards identifying smoking as a bad thing. My only hope is that as we move to a smoke free society, we are careful not to confuse a bad habit, with a bad person while in that transition. Good people have bad habits of multiple types. At times it seems we get a little close to blurring the line and identifying a smoker as a bad person because of the bad habit. As for the larger issues related to the effects smokers have on others and the medical issues. Well, I will plead the fifth on this one and hope I win my fight to transition to a smoke free person. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1556.205.215.253.96.1171109687.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! From: "Bill Nelson" >>It's not going to save any energy, despite what the article stated. Not unless they >>find a way to produce a metallic superconductor cloud at near room temperature. >> >>Also, they just stored a single pulse in that BE cloud. It is unknown whether the >>cloud could store a complex waveform or a string of pulses. There is also the >>question of signal degradation over time. > > Careful, Bill. This is going to rest in history right next to, "The world > is flat! It's much to dangerous to go beyond the horizon!", and, "If Man > were meant to fly, he'd have been born with wings!", and, "Of course the > Earth is the center of the Universe", and,"Ogg, Fire bad! Fire Hurt Mlah!". > How far was the first telephone conversation apart? What did Edison record > on the 'first' recorder? How far did Marconi's first radion get? > It's a baby step, brother. I did not say it would not prove useful. I just mentioned a few of the current limitations. Interestingly enough, it was only certain religious sects that believed the world was flat. Even ancient scholars knew that was not true. Oh, goody! A quiz! Bell's first telephone transmission was only one room to the next, probably under 50 feet of wire. Could that one way communication be called a "conversation"? The first recording that Edison made (his engineers certainly made some recordings to prove their idea first) was Mary Had a Little Lamb. Marconi was not the first to make a radio transmission, by a long shot. Interestingly, the claimed first transatlantic transmission may not even have occurred. If it did, it is highly doubtful that it occurred on the frequency that Marconi thought he was using. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CDBA95.8060302 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:29:09 +0200 From: Judy Subject: websites for students Hi all, I'm teaching a class in introduction to lighting which has nearly 40 students in it. I try to get them into the theater from time to time and show them lights in action, but there are just too many of them to enable enough practical experience, and they complain about this with justice and say that they can't remember the difference between one lamp and another. Can anybody suggest websites which would help clarify the characteristics and differences of different instruments? I've been looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites and confusing to a student. Thanks Judy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:19:52 -0500 Subject: Re: websites for students From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: How about your own website or handbook of your inventory and what else is out there. Neither is that difficult to do and both would be helpful. Prepare a CDrom that the students can "check out" for the semester. Flash cards will also work. Is there some way to limit the number of students in the class. I'd never accept that many in the class. If it is in that much demand, offer it more often or open another section. Your life is too short to be worrying about things that administrators should be taking care of. Steve > From: Judy > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:29:09 +0200 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: websites for students > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > I'm teaching a class in introduction to lighting which has nearly 40 > students in it. I try to get them into the theater from time to time and > show them lights in action, but there are just too many of them to > enable enough practical experience, and they complain about this with > justice and say that they can't remember the difference between one lamp > and another. Can anybody suggest websites which would help clarify the > characteristics and differences of different instruments? I've been > looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites and confusing to a > student. > > Thanks > Judy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003901c74d1b$b957c020$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Lumber Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:59:46 -0800 > That's because luan (as opposed to plywood) comes in (hypothetically) > 49"x97" sheets, as do some other things that are commonly used for > countertops (I'm not sure why, but this is what I've always heard). If > it was only a tad over 8', then yeah, it's shrinking as well. 'Round these parts, MDF comes in 49x97, but the lauan is only48x96ish. Like Keith, our lauan is a 'skosh' over 4x8, which is preferable to the plywood which is, as posted earlier, appears to be shrinking in all dimensions. The commonly available 3/4" ply is really 23/32, except the cabinet grade birch or oak, which seems to remain steady at 3/4". So much lumber made around here goes to China, which means a lot of the lumber we get around here is either krappe, or from Canada. Weird, being in a lumber-rich region. Our lumber is such poor quality - it's extremely hard to find straight and/or flat stock. I'm forced to the habit of ordering about 10-15% more than I need, because of unusable stuff. We also spend a lot of time trying to 'unbend' bent plywood sheets. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:54:37 EST Subject: Re: Artificial Snow Have you considered snow juice & a snow machine?: http://www.citcfx.com/products/snow_machines.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:20:34 -0600 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: Re: drafting quality v quantity in CAD (was Re: G-mail issues) In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/9/07, C. Dopher wrote <> Well said Chris! I couldn't have put it better myself! Pat ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:22:40 EST Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In a message dated 2/9/2007 7:08:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net_ (mailto:klyph [at] klyph-stanford-designs.net) writes: How a drawing looks on the printed page is far more important to me than how the file appears on your computer. You could probably zoom in on some of my files and find lines that do not meet up, but then we are talking about a level of magnification that won't matter one whit to my plotter. Now of course, no one is cutting out the pipe grid and Source Fours for my show using a CNC machine, either... As far as he KNOWS no one is using CNC tools off his design. Having worked in a manufacturing environment, the big issues here are whether or not the drafter/designer KNOWS his output will be used to feed other machines (like CNC tools) and whether or he knows HOW to create that output. Creating a drawing that prints to scale and looks good enough to the naked eye to be able to read the measurements & make the cuts manually is relatively easy in CAD and most 10-yr olds can do it after a few minutes of explaining how the CAD software works. But creating a drawing that goes straight from the designer's mind to the tool inputs requires a level of manufacturing/product design engineering that a lot of designers just don't have. (Not that there's anything wrong with that). A lot of designers don't even really understand the concept of layers on a drawing. They just put what they need on the page till it looks like what they want it to look like & can convey their ideas to whomever needs to use it. Just like a lot of lighting designers aren't much at moving lights programming but they have wonderful ideas about what the lights should do. ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References: Subject: RE: Lumber Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c74d27$ff353990$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-reply-to: Up here in Toronto, I'll go shopping for 1/2-inch plywood. The supplier will claim to have 7/16-inch in stock, but I discover it's actually 11mm, which is smaller than 7/16. Ocassionally, I'll even find 11mm material marked as 1/2-inch! Perhaps this kind of thing is happening in the US as well? Jim RC4 > Anybody else notice how lumber sizes are changing. > 1x4 are no longer 3/4" x 3 1/2". They are smaller. > 4x8 sheet goods are getting smaller as well. It doesn't seem > to matter if the lumber is from a lumber yard, Lowes, or Home > Depot. Is there a good reason, or are milling companies just > trying to get more lumber out of a log? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Lumber Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:32:12 -0500 almost certainly, , , as everything is coming from the same sources, if you go into either the Lowe's or the Home Depot near my office here in Tampa Florida you will find plywood and dimensional lumber from US Canada Sweden Finland Malaysia and Ukraine last I noticed, , when i purchased a disposable paint tray liner last week, , I noticed it was Made in Vietnam.. it's all one market these days, , Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Jim, RC4 Wireless wrote: Perhaps this kind of thing is happening in the US as well? Jim RC4 ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:40:30 EST Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor Still not sure I got whether this will be a temporary/set floor or a permanent stage floor. If it's a temporary set floor & you won't have to nail/screw through it you might consider either laminate flooring or an engineered wood product. Laminate flooring is basically like formica countertop material laminated onto inter-locking HDF (high density fibreboard) panels. Just like formica (or the other products) it can be made to look like any of several wood types & colors, as well as tile, stone, etc. There are some really cheap versions of this at places like Big Lots, Wal-mart, Sam's & Costco. This is usually installed as a floating floor where there is an underlayment like felt paper or thin foam padding and the pieces are locked together over it. The trim around the edges is what hold it down. Very handy if you need to lay floor quickly & then be able to take it up later with no/nimimal damage to the subfloor. Engineered flooring is plywood with a veneer top layer of whatever wood you're looking for. It's usually about 3/8" thick & can be glued to concrete or stapled to a wood subfloor. Much more permanent (especially if glued). It is all real wood so you could nail/screw through it if needed, but at only 3/8" thick if you're over concrete you won't have a lot of holding power. Both these products come pre-finished so there's no painting/staining/varnishing required. As soon as you lay it it's ready to be walked on. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: "C. Dopher" Subject: RE: Vexing Vectorworks Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:47:52 -0500 Steve Bailey wrote: > > Vectorworks has the ability to Join 2 lines. > > Select the 2 lines whose ends need to be joined, then go to Tools - > Join. > > On Windows machines, keyboard command - Alt & Tool together, then J > accomplishes the same thing. > > Of course care must be taken as to the accuracy of the final > placement of > the joined lines. Or just use the Connect/Combine tool. Click, click, you're done - and the lines don't even have to be close to touching. That's a freebie. :) By the way, there is a Nemetschek theatre board where such issues can be discussed. We could use more traffic, come on by. Just send this command: SUBSCRIBE THEATER-L your_full_name WITH HTML INDEX to LISTSERV [at] LISTS.NEMETSCHEK.NET Cris Dopher ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:48:51 EST Subject: Re: drafting quality v quantity in CAD (was Re: G-mail issues) In a message dated 2/9/2007 1:51:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brooklyn [at] dopher.com writes: Now, though, the mechanics and ultimately quality control skills of hand drafting are given short shrift, Depends on the school program. I have a daughter at NCSA & she will take 2 YEARS of hand-drafting and will also start taking CAD at the beginning of her 2nd year. Every hand drawn project she turns in has to be blue-lined so she can see how neat/sloppy she can be & see what transfers to the print. ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:55:52 EST Subject: Re: Excellent musicians was Re: Rosco Image Pro Check out Andy McKee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt1fB62cGbo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27megLOleQ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10049125.1171066452981.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Nikki, How many performances does ACL run? It sounds like a one night benefit. If so you can probably get away with Mylar Shrink Mirror from Rosco. Stretch it over frames. We toured with something similar a few years ago. It wasn't perfect but it was ok. You just need a row upstage behind a blackout and then 5 or 6 in a semi-circle that fly in for Cassie. IF it's really a high school benefit show (no slight intended but hey) you could probably just roll in some rolling mirrors for cassie and then have the crew strike them or something. Depends on your budget. -H On 2/9/07 7:12 PM, "Nikki" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello everyone. Quick background info: A director > that I work with is thinking of doing A Chorus Line > over the summer. It would be a fundraiser for the > high school drama club kids as they start building -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:29:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Artificial Snow From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We screen ours with 1/2" hardware cloth to break up the clumps. Tack a 4' x 4' piece to some 1x framing and then rub it through with a gloved hand. There should be no need to run a magnet through it fresh out of the box. We don't reuse ours so we don't clean out the used stuff. HTH. Steve Rees On 2/9/07 3:32 PM, "Rachael Hunter" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for the Consolidated Display name, not the cheapest (try > ProductionAdvantageOnline.com) I've run across but comparable, plus very > informative about size 15 (1/4") vs. size 20 (1/2"). Since we are running 28 > performances (including techs) I'm interested in sifting the snow. Any > suggestions? I was thinking hardware cloth plus a thorough sweep with a > magnet, maybe? > > Rachael Hunter > Assistant Technical Director > Virginia Stage Company ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702100853m52c0d66nfd1ff2f63d557326 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:53:51 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Cc: stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com (Rob Riddle) Subject: Re: Digest Question erratic delivery "Rob Riddle" writes: <> Rob, It's not earth link. I use gmail and have had similar wierdness the last couple of days. No doubble copies as yet but still missing #1130 . #1133 arived 2 min before #1132. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45CDA630.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:02:09 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: Lumber References: In-Reply-To: I was taught that lauan doesn't come in a true 4'x8' sheet because it's actually in metric measurements since it comes from the Philippines and Malaysia. Has anyone else heard that? --------------------------------------------------- > last time I bought luan, , , it was a tad more than 8'..... Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45CDA772.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:07:30 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Lumber & lauan References: In-Reply-To: In regards to lauan, I was looking up some info and came across this website. Has anyone tried using any of the listed alternative products in place of lauan? I've used Homasote for sound dampening, but never as the finished surface. I'd love to hear any thoughts anyone has on any of these products. Regards http://www.rainforestrelief.org/Campaigns/Safe_Sets_.html Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: Loading dock ramps... Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:43:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000901c74d43$4b3ec160$6501a8c0 [at] plazadirector> In-Reply-To: We are looking to purchase a ramp to use with our loading dock. Due to the terrain surrounding the building, the dock loading level is about 4'6" above ground level. We would like a ramp about 10' long, preferably with angled ends, at least 4' wide, with a raised lip along the long sides - in other words, pretty much a standard ramp. Can anyone recommend a brand/manufacturer/reseller? There's not much local here in Glasgow. Or any caveats we should be aware of? Thanks! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 834-8147 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org CRAIG MORGAN Mar. 16, 7PM -- $40, $30 & $20 PRESERVATION HALL JAZZ BAND May 11, 7PM -- $30, $25 & $20 1964 THE TRIBUTE June 9, 7PM -- $30, $25 & $20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:01 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 9:04 PM -0800 1/29/07, Bill Nelson wrote: >All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. Actually, no; they're not. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." --Robert Heinlein ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Internships Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:50:08 -0500 Greetings! Below is the ad copy for Trinity Rep's internship program. As I work there, I'm probably biased in saying its a wonderful program, everyone learns a lot and has a great time, and its a great step at the beginning of their theatre careers. Feel free to contact me with questions, especially about the lighting internship. Any questions I can't answer, I will forward on to people who can. Thanks so much! -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com TRINITY REPERTORY COMPANY, a Tony award-winning resident theater company, seeks motivated interns for the 2007-08 season. Internships are available in the following areas: production management, stage management, electrics, scenic carpentry, sound, costume, props and in the Brown/Trinity Consortium. Also: marketing, pr/communications, artistic management, development and theater management. Weekly stipend of $75 and housing provided. Recent college graduates highly preferred. Complete the internship application available on our website, www.trinityrep.com, and send it by May 31st, 2007 to: Tyler Dobrowsky, Artistic Associate, Trinity Rep, 201 Washington St. Providence, RI 02903. Email: education [at] trinityrep.com. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Lumber Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:38:53 +0000 Message-Id: <20070210193853.TEYZ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" > Date: 2007/02/10 Sat PM 03:27:38 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Lumber > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Up here in Toronto, I'll go shopping for 1/2-inch plywood. The supplier > will claim to have 7/16-inch in stock, but I discover it's actually 11mm, > which is smaller than 7/16. Ocassionally, I'll even find 11mm material > marked as 1/2-inch! Perhaps this kind of thing is happening in the US as > well? When the UK went metric, some clown invented the 'metric foot' of 300mm. This is 3/16" short of a real one. We had recently had built a new set of wagons, to a 3' module, with the intention that a 6' x 3' board would fit straight on rather than having to cut down an 8' x 4'. The new metric equivalent falls straight through the frame! Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Haislet Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <392052.25300.qm [at] web50002.mail.yahoo.com> I suggest NOT using Rosco Mylar Shrink Mirror. It will take a great deal of time to shrink, plus it will not look nice. It took almost two months to do eight panels that were about 12'0" X 6'0". A headache the whole time. We tried Heat Guns, burnt the Mylar; a bank of lights, six 300watt Scoops, that shrunk to a point. I suggest not using wood as frames use metal or something more sturdy. > Question: Does anyone have recommendations for > inexpensive places to buy or rent the mirrors? > We're > in upstate NY (really upstate: Willsboro, NY). > TIA ~Nikki Hilchey > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > Jason Haislet, Carpenter (937)830-1116 Kettering, Ohio ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:10:30 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line In-Reply-To: References: When we did "Chorus Line" a few years ago, they used some flexible plastic mirror board. I think it was found at one of the big box stores. It came in 4x8 sheets, roughly AFAIK. We screwed it to a plywood surface and it was surprisingly good. It looks a little like fun house mirrors if you don't get it flat, so the surface is important. > > Question: Does anyone have recommendations for > > inexpensive places to buy or rent the mirrors? > > We're > > in upstate NY (really upstate: Willsboro, NY). > > TIA ~Nikki Hilchey -- Laura McMeley ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: websites for students Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > How about your own website or handbook of your inventory > and what else is out there. Neither is that difficult > to do and both would be helpful. I bet Noah would be willing to donate some webspace for such a website. Anyone got a lighting student or students that could assign this as an extra credit project? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <001109EB-45BC-454F-A8A7-42FDE9DE65DB [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:26:29 -0500 Hello, Has anyone else heard of this? http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a40/ Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Phone: (860) 560-0771 Theaterworks E-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net Hartford CT Web: http://www.theaterworkshartford.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <996992.12948.qm [at] web84012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Vectorworks has the ability to Join 2 lines. I'm new to VW. I had one class in AutoCAD 2 summers ago. In AutoCAD there are snap-to guides that allow a line to snap to the closest (intersection, end point etc) right? I have not been able to figure out how to set up VW to do this and I have found many lines not joined as I zoom in. Is there a function or a set up or a tool preferences that I should be changing to allow me to do this in VW? > True...but it's not always readily apparent without > zooming in > reeeeaallly close on every single intersection that > the lines aren't > correctly joined in the first place...which goes > back (again) to the > whole time-vs.-speed thing we've been talking about. > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:46:09 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Michael de Almeida wrote: > Has anyone else heard of this? > > http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a40/ Yes, it was on the news a few days ago. It was explained that it won't be illegal to possess incandescent lamps, just to sell them retail ;-) C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:46:38 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070210204638.1645F1B352B [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References: At 12:26 PM 2/10/2007, Michael de Almeida wrote: > Has anyone else heard of this? > >http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a40/ Yep, been in the news for a while. I want to see how you use a compact florescent inside an oven or a freezer. :) I wish there were more dimmable CF lamps as well as ones that can be used in a closed case for retrofit applications. I've also noticed the newer CF lamps seem to take noticeably longer to come up to full brightness. Walk into the room, flip on the lights, wait until it's bright enough to see, then continue. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CE30FF.1070401 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:54:23 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. References: In-Reply-To: They are great in the bathroom at 2:00 in the morning, gives you a nice ramp up so you eyes adjust. Jerry Durand wrote: > I've also noticed the newer CF lamps seem to take noticeably longer to > come up to full brightness. Walk into the room, flip on the lights, > wait until it's bright enough to see, then continue. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:56:16 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-Reply-To: References: In VW 12.5, you should see a palette called "constraints" pallette. This has options to turn on various snap to options. You can snap to a grid, any object, intersections of lines, smart points, etc. You set the size of the snap grid by going to Tools/Set grid. Here you have settings for both reference grids and snap grid. Other versions of VW are similiar but you may have to look around a bit for the settings. I don't remember where they are. Laura McMeley In AutoCAD there are snap-to guides that allow a > line to snap to the closest (intersection, end point > etc) right? > > I have not been able to figure out how to set up VW to > do this and I have found many lines not joined as I > zoom in. > > Is there a function or a set up or a tool preferences > that I should be changing to allow me to do this in > VW? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:56:26 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <245419.27302.qm [at] web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Yes, it was on the news a few days ago. It was > explained that it won't be > illegal to possess incandescent lamps, just to sell > them retail ;-) > > C > Does this mean we will be seeing a black light market in CA? :) Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Jerry Durand wrote: > I want to see how you use a compact florescent inside an oven or a freezer. I have done it - it isn't a bright as normal but it works - just like it works fine outside in the dead of winter ;-) > I wish there were more dimmable CF lamps as well as ones that can be used in > a closed case for retrofit applications. There seem to be a whole new generation of these available now, dimmable and quite cheap - and extremely compact, smaller even than A bulbs with no need for air flow. > I've also noticed the newer CF lamps seem to take noticeably longer to come > up to full brightness. Walk into the room, flip on the lights, wait until > it's bright enough to see, then continue. Again, I just bought a bunch of new style, really compact Noma CFs (made in China of course) that come on at least at 95% full brightness. There is still a slight delay before firing (about .3 second) but no flickering. I find that that they tend to come on dimmer and dimmer initially as they get older. I have some really nice Panasonic CFs that are about 20 years old and they were designed to turn on instantly, which is one reason I liked them but they always came on at about 80% intensity then slowly got brighter. As they have aged, they now come on at as little as 40% but still end up almost full brightness and yet don't seem to be anywhere near the end of their life after 10s of thousands of hours. It will be interesting to see how the new Nomas work out - they really pack the illumination into a very small area and wattage. C ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:57:34 -0600 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks In-Reply-To: References: On 2/10/07, Al Fitch wrote: > I have not been able to figure out how to set up VW to > do this and I have found many lines not joined as I > zoom in. > > Is there a function or a set up or a tool preferences > that I should be changing to allow me to do this in > VW? > Heck yeah Al! In the constraints pallette, you are going to want to have selected, "Snap to object", "Snap to intersection" and while you're at it, "Smart Points". This should get you where you need to go! HTH! Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com VW Designer V12.5 1GB Ram Dual-Core notebook Win XP sp2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:59:19 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Richard Bakos wrote: > They are great in the bathroom at 2:00 in the morning, gives you a nice ramp > up so you eyes adjust. I've got a bank of Ikea CFs in the bathroom too, but they don't start low enough for me! Wanna trade?? C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CE3222.7030700 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:59:14 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. References: In-Reply-To: Does this mean no incandescent at all or just for residential? Just remember "dimmable fluorescent" is an oxymoron. The ballroom in the local Marriott was updated and they made most of lighting fluorescent. The room is brighter but you cannot make the room feel warm at all. Cfl's just don't make that nice color shift, not to mention dimming to only 30% or so. Charlie Richmond wrote: > Yes, it was on the news a few days ago. It was explained that it > won't be illegal to possess incandescent lamps, just to sell them > retail ;-) -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Al Fitch wrote: > Does this mean we will be seeing a black light market > in CA? :) There always has been!! and for medicinal purposes, of course... C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Richard Bakos wrote: > Cfl's just don't make that nice color shift, not to mention dimming to only The new generation of Edison base replacement Cfls seem much warmer to me but the industrial PL models are still all cool AFAIK. > 30% or so. Haven't played with the new Edison base dimmable units but they claim to have electronic ballasts that are specifically compatible with domestic dimmers to be fully dimmable and I can see how that might be possible since many of the older units I've seen naturally start at a very low intensity, almost off... C ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: websites for students Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c74d59$4802a730$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Actually, I started working on such a site this morning. When it's suitable for viewing, I'll post the URL; comments will always be welcomed. ================================= Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.jeffsalzberg.com 201/379-3138 (Home) 917/238-7430 (Cell) jeffsalzberg (Skype) weblog: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/blog.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Santos [mailto:steven [at] simplycircus.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:15 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: websites for students > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > How about your own website or handbook of your inventory > > and what else is out there. Neither is that difficult > > to do and both would be helpful. > > I bet Noah would be willing to donate some webspace for such > a website. > > Anyone got a lighting student or students that could assign > this as an extra credit project? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CE38C5.7010302 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:27:33 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: websites for students References: In-Reply-To: Judy, I don't envy you, teaching into to lighting to 15 students can prove difficult. There are some websites out there. http://www.alanrowoth.com/LightingBasics.shtml http://www.seleconlight.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=199 http://www.mts.net/%7Ewilliam5/sld.htm http://www.theatrecrafts.com/glossary/glossary.shtml http://www.theatrecrafts.com/ http://www.mainstage.com/Wide.asp?id=49 http://www.answers.com/topic/stage-lighting-instrument I have to say though this is not a subject that can be taught in the classroom alone. I would suggest some self study assignments. Good luck! Charlie Judy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > I'm teaching a class in introduction to lighting which has nearly 40 > students in it. I try to get them into the theater from time to time > and show them lights in action, but there are just too many of them to > enable enough practical experience, and they complain about this with > justice and say that they can't remember the difference between one > lamp and another. Can anybody suggest websites which would help > clarify the characteristics and differences of different instruments? > I've been looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites and > confusing to a student. > > Thanks > Judy > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:32:57 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Smokers on a call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <424176.35898.qm [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com> I have been outta the loop for a lil while, tuned in and had a nerve hit. Thank you Kristi for your sensible reply. I have been up in the great white north, smoking like a chimney, and getting lots and lots of work done. All I am going to say about smoking, and I could say lots, is DON'T DIS THE SMOKERS, YOUR PROBLEM IS WITH THE GOVERNMENT!!! If you are going to start to pick on the smokers then we want ALL THE TAX DOLLARS THAT WE PAY (non smokers don't pay em) BACK!!! Yup, all those tax dollars that they take to fund everything else except to help smokers quit. nuff said, I am gonna go smoke now. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:32:30 GMT Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Message-Id: <20070210.133244.15735.1165167 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear Mike, Unfortunately, yes. the proprietor of this Assembly bill from an = adjacent district to mine, wishes to become a State Senator. That is = the kindest way I can put it. As Jerry and other Californians can = verify, our elected officials compete with who can come up with = the 'Greenest' laws. Some of the listholders might have heard of the = recent passage of a new law severely restricting the emissions of = Greenhouse Gases in California, signed by our Republican Governor. I suspect that if Rep. Levine's proposal becomes becomes law, other = states will soon follow, as CA laws and their requisite pretested, = pre-approved workarounds, are soon copied by states & the US Gov't. And Charlie, it won't be too long for this type of regulation, if its = safe & effective, to creep past the US northern border and effect you. /s/ Richard ___________________________ Hello, Has anyone else heard of this? http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a40/ Mike de Almeida ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > And Charlie, it won't be too long for this type of regulation, if its > safe & effective, to creep past the US northern border and effect you. It already does. I've been a fan of good CF lighting for many years... C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Smokers on a call Message-ID: <396476.39757.qm [at] web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Some people I work with who are so addicted to the >darn things that they can't get through 3 hours >without one. I prefer they take the 5 >minutes to feed their addiction rather than being a >pain in the butt OR sneaking a cigarette >onstage while we're setting up! 5 minutes, huh. Doubt it. I know they MEAN to take only 5 minutes. I think a lot of them think they ARE only taking 5 minutes. But no, in my experience, it generally works out to more like 15 or 20 minutes from leaving where we're working to going outside (maybe stopping by your stuff to grab cigarettes and/or jacket on the way), smoking, and doing the reverse on the return. And that's with a guy who really is doing his best to make it quick. If you can't make it from break to break without a cigarette, you have a problem that needs to be brought under control. Particularly in a union situation where you very often get a break every 2 1/2 hours. As a road person, people disappearing to smoke is a regular annoyance. People asking if they can leave to go smoke when we're in the middle of something, or stopped momentarily but might have our opening to get what we need done coming soon gets old too. People asking if they can go smoke 5 or 10 minutes after we return from a break is tiresome. Guys trying to get a drag or two off their cigarettes in the brief outdoor time we have while shoving a box around one corner of a building, or out fetching an empty from the dock, or whatever is generally just kind of pathetic. Of course, many of them don't ask if they can go. They either just disappear, or they take a long time on some errand like getting a box or fetching a cable, because they've stopped to smoke too. Often, they ask if they can go to the bathroom, and then you find them 30 or 40 minutes later out on the dock with a cigarette. Smokers shouldn't get breaks that non-smokers don't get just because they have an addiction. Of course, people slack for all sorts of reasons, as Dave mentioned - drugs or alcohol, donut, coffee, cell phone, nap - all kinds of things. But those are generally frowned upon and often disciplined if the offender is caught. Smoke breaks are somehow acceptable, and it's the non-smokers who pick up the slack. After a while, it's inevitable that we start to resent it. Now, I try not to be a jerk about it. When I am supervising a crew, if we have a couple of minutes, I will often tell my crew that we have some time if they want to grab a quick smoke or drink of water or whatever and meet me back here. I particularly try to do this if we are in a load out or some other situations where regular coffee breaks are not being taken. But you know, everyone or no one. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c74d62$bd723220$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > There seem to be a whole new generation of these available > now, dimmable and > quite cheap - and extremely compact, smaller even than A > bulbs with no need for > air flow. ...And every one of them flashing on and off 60 times/second. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Smokers on a call Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:46:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c74d65$5a54c8d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Of course, > people slack for all sorts of reasons, as Dave > mentioned Certainly, not all smokers slack -- I have no hard data, but I'd bet that most don't. It's like the no-smoking areas in restaurants, though -- most smokers complied (with varying degrees of cheerfulness, to be sure), but enough ignored it that more and more cities and states have banned smoking totally in such establishments. The considerate smokers suffer due to the short-sightedness of the inconsiderate ones. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:00:42 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > ...And every one of them flashing on and off 60 times/second. sheesh... starting to sound like the smoking thread.... C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:25:20 -0500 Subject: Re: *** Spam *** Loading dock ramps... From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We're looking to purchase a 38" x 16' ramp to load semi's from the ground outside the backdoor of our theatre. Googled and found several. 38" being the widest. Cost- $1000 and up. You might find a metal fabricator that can make you one out of aluminum. That's my next stop (after I open my current show). There's one just down the block. See if they can do it cheaper. Oh, and that's $1000 plus shipping. Post your finds. Others might be interested too. Steve > From: "Steve Jones" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:43:01 -0600 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: *** Spam *** Loading dock ramps... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We are looking to purchase a ramp to use with our loading dock. Due to the > terrain surrounding the building, the dock loading level is about 4'6" above > ground level. We would like a ramp about 10' long, preferably with angled > ends, at least 4' wide, with a raised lip along the long sides - in other > words, pretty much a standard ramp. > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:34:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c74d6b$ff4d6490$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > ...And every one of them flashing on and off 60 times/second. > > sheesh... starting to sound like the smoking thread.... 'Member awhile back, when someone mentioned that people tend to subconsciously "tune out" constant high-pitched sounds, and Chris B pointed out that he and other squeeks can't do that? It's the same with some sqwintz and fluorescent lights. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702101535u1e3eef5cob334c5ff9fed2ac0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:35:03 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Lumber & lauan In-Reply-To: References: >>>>I've used Homasote for sound dampening, but never as the finished surface.<<< Have used Homasote for a finish on flooring, as an alternative to Maso. It worked well. Never tried it as an alternative to lauan though. Last I recall, it wasn't easy to find either. I'm sure in some parts it grows on trees, but not where we were using it at the time! My .02 -SS TTS-EKU "When a thing ceases to be a subject of controversy, it ceases to be a subject of interest." -William Hazlitt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:46:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28253926.1171150637111.JavaMail.root [at] m41> You should See Spring Awakening! Ewwww flickers.... On 2/10/07 6:34 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> ...And every one of them flashing on and off 60 times/second. >> >> sheesh... starting to sound like the smoking thread.... > > 'Member awhile back, when someone mentioned that people tend to > subconsciously "tune out" constant high-pitched sounds, and Chris B pointed > out that he and other squeeks can't do that? > > It's the same with some sqwintz and fluorescent lights. > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:03:18 -0500 Hey y'all, He's probably not going to mention it, so I will. Pardon the promo, but if you get a chance check out http:// tinyurl.com/222fd6 , which is a behind the scenes video of the new Annie Liebovitz photo spread in Vanity Fair. At the end of the video you can catch good footage of Unka Bill doing his best to keep Helen Mirren from plunging 15 stories to the Manhattan sidewalk. It worked, btw, and she lives to act again. -=Greg Williams=- www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') References: Subject: RE: Automated Alarms Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c74d75$8b7b6260$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Yes. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:47 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Automated Alarms For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- CB posted: "You can either do a show safely or you shouldn't do the show. It's pretty simple math to me." Hallelujah! If more of us did this, we wouldn't have to put up with so much crap. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: websites for students Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c74d75$8bca1ea0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: February 10, 2007 Having the last three months a great deal of activity dealing with thousands of theater and dance students at four state conferences, where I was allowed to teach students and their instructors, I continue to add to my stock and trade of materials for helping these dedicated individuals. Came back home from Clark county Nevada yesterday, where I conducted an in-service workshop, all day, for all of the county school Risk Managers, Maintenance, Safety personnel, drama teachers, nurses, etc. An excellent group, and this day long session certainly were receptive to my new book, (each one got a copy) and to the other documents about health, safety, risk management, etc. that I passed out to each person. Always willing to do this .... Tabulated, if one is counting, and some of you are: four states, close to 2800 students and over five hundred drama teachers, risk managers, etc. and I am off to Virginia to do a state conference there, with workshops, for the State with more copies of my book, which they said they found useful. Four more state workshops coming up and Disney too. (plus seven new law suits, egads, four of them high school incidents). Who knew? Just reporting in. Dr. doom International Secondary Education Health and Safety Association, ISETSA www.isetsa.org Founded this three years ago, just for health and safety. So if you are interested, we can send brochures. Tim Cattlett is the major contact. If we can be of help to some of these theater instructors my web sites, plural, are there, and I will answer them, as I have in the past. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:20 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: websites for students For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- How about your own website or handbook of your inventory and what else is out there. Neither is that difficult to do and both would be helpful. Prepare a CDrom that the students can "check out" for the semester. Flash cards will also work. Is there some way to limit the number of students in the class. I'd never accept that many in the class. If it is in that much demand, offer it more often or open another section. Your life is too short to be worrying about things that administrators should be taking care of. Steve > From: Judy > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:29:09 +0200 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: websites for students > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > I'm teaching a class in introduction to lighting which has nearly 40 > students in it. I try to get them into the theater from time to time and > show them lights in action, but there are just too many of them to > enable enough practical experience, and they complain about this with > justice and say that they can't remember the difference between one lamp > and another. Can anybody suggest websites which would help clarify the > characteristics and differences of different instruments? I've been > looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites and confusing to a > student. > > Thanks > Judy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702101643j6788cfe4sdb73661ecb2dd322 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:43:35 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: websites for students In-Reply-To: References: hello, It happens that I have a site devoted to students in high school that has a lot of info and is always open for improvements. If anyone would like to add to the content, they are more then welcome. it's set up almost like a wiki except that one has to register and I have to upgrade the account to an author/editor level. Once the level is changed, anyone can add/edit to existing pages... www.hstech.org I will add the disclaimer that the site still needs work in the areas you're looking for. Take care, Scott On 2/10/07, Judy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, Can anybody suggest websites which would help clarify the > characteristics and differences of different instruments? I've been > looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites and confusing to a > student. > > Thanks > Judy > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070210172302.00ca02a0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:23:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Fwd: Stagecraft Digest #1132 Cc: mptecdir [at] gmail.com Got it, Thanks! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070210172724.00ca02a0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:27:24 From: CB Subject: RE: Smokers on a call >I beg you - *beg* you - to abandon this thread before we have another = >3-week pissing contest *sigh* Randy, the three-week pissing-contest is inevitable. You just want to change the subject matter... ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:01:19 -0800 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F397084 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" Loren Schreiber wrote (re: sloppy drafting practices in CAD): <> <> AMEN Loren - it's one of the reasons I find myself paying a premium for good, experienced, careful CAD drivers with a history *not* in our business...and one of the reasons some of the "just starting out in the business" people I'd hope to be able to hire and move up just aren't an option in a lot of cases. "Gee, it looks fine for light plots" (the most common excuse I've heard for sloppy drafting - and one I don't agree with BTW) just is *not* acceptable when the sloppy file is going to cost me a couple of hours of manufacturing time. My "favourite" was a 3D file of a *big* piece that ran for 2 hours of a 3 hour mill job before an un-closed line caused the head to drive straight through the middle of the piece. It would have actually have been kind of funny (it was an animal figure, and it looked like the mill was trying to kill it) if we hadn't been behind schedule already. So, please, I implore those of you with the patience to teach CAD - teach 'em all good practices! Don't accept "it should be good enough for a light plot" or "it looks fine for sets". Those of us who want to try to hire them thank you. I *hate* sloppy drafting.....heck, I hate it when it's sloppy hand drafting - it just doesn't usually cost me $$. We now release the rant mode. =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CE6BB5.2000309 [at] gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:04:53 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: 360Q maintenance References: In-Reply-To: David B. Nelson wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > There should be two screws that hold the TP-22 socket to the triangular > aluminum "focus plate". Remove those two screws. You'll also need to > remove the Heyco strain relief. I use Channel-Lock pliers for this, but > there is a special tool you can purchase. It will probably crack, because of > heat/age and need to be replaced. Plan to order some of these at the same > time you order replacement sockets. You may need to at least partially > remove the triangular "focus plate" in order to get the leads re-routed. Look at the triangular "focus plate" at this time. Often these plates are bent by bad bench-focusing. If it needs replacement, this is the time to do it. Other than that, follow Dave's directions. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:47:31 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? In-Reply-To: References: > you can catch good footage of Unka Bill doing his best to keep Helen > Mirren from plunging 15 stories to the Manhattan sidewalk. At the risk of sounding completely dense...which one is Helen? Rrrrrroowrr... ;) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070210182416.00ca02a0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:24:16 From: CB Subject: RE: Vexing Vectorworks While I draft very little, this conversation has a bit of a parallel in mixing for film. I've been asked a number of times to do the productions sound, and asked what kind of recorder I have. I haven't one, as I record on whatever format the editor will be working with, or the next best thing if he works in a native environment that isn't represented well in portable field recorders. Producers are constantly amazed by me asking what the editor will be working with, and then amazed that they hadn't thought of that before. I'm just amazed that they aren't thinking about it before I get the call. It just seems to me (and, feel free to tell me that I have no idea what I'm talking about) that you'd want to gauge the CAD program to benefit the recipient before the creator. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070210182907.00ca02a0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:29:07 From: CB Subject: Kite flying out: Little Women >I've been toying with fishing line. The actor has to come on stage and >launch the thing as well... Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'd have an assistant actor holding the kite whilst the flying actor holds the string. Ass. actor backs off left with the kite, which is handed to a rigger off-left. Rigger attaches string to pulley which is raised while flying actor 'runs' with the string, playing it out as he runs. As he reaches the end of the string, rigger pulls the remaining string off-left, through the pulley that is now near the ceiling. the Flying actor could hold the string as long as the action requires it before playing the end out. My $.02, and hardly worth that. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070210183031.00ca02a0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:30:31 From: CB Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line >What they ended up doing is purchasing many sliding glass (mirror) >closet doors from Home Depot / Lowe's. Both of these places have mirrored plexi, IIRC. Couldn't be more expensive thatn cloet doors, could it? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:56:55 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Smokers on a call In-Reply-To: References: O'tay. Gonna kill off as many stones I can with one bird here. Or something like that. As an ex-cig smoker but current pipe-smoker, I *will* agree that a five minute cig break is never that. But...I can get enough out of a pipe to keep me going in three minutes. It's all psychological...I don't see the waste in a pipe like I would on a cig. Part of it is an addiction thing. Maybe most. But for certain tasks (not to mention *after* certain tasks) an unscheduled "smoke" break is more than warranted. But yeah, June, I agree...if one guy/gal gets it, all should. Most of the time. I wouldn't begrudge a guy who'd spent a douple of hours dangling from a sit harness or who happened to save someone from getting crushed by an unstable scenic element a bit of a break even if it were unscheduled. I worked job-in at Studio Arena in Buffalo for four years, and the house TD was a pipe smoker. He'd walk around with his pipe unlit, but loaded, half an hour or more before break time...but he was the most punctual SOB there ever was when it came to break times--both starting and ending. He didn't give a crap if you were only halfway through, you dropped it and went back in. So I'd guess that part of the frustration that's felt on many people's parts is misplaced, in that it ain't the smokers, but the people who let them get away with rule-bending all too frequently. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070210183954.00ca02a0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:39:54 From: CB Subject: Re: Smokers on a call >The running joke here is the BA will call to offer you another gig when you >are at work just to see if you'll take the call! I recently had that very thing happen. As we were at a resort, and the steward was complaining about reception, I answered it. Once I discovered that she was calling me to see if I could fill another call, I 'lambasted' her for calling my cell when she knew that I was on a call that *she* gave me. All in fun, of course. She did say, however, that the BA's call was one that we could always take on a call, as it was work-related. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:12:01 -0500 On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:47 PM, Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> you can catch good footage of Unka Bill doing his best to keep Helen >> Mirren from plunging 15 stories to the Manhattan sidewalk. > > At the risk of sounding completely dense...which one is Helen? > > Rrrrrroowrr... ;) HA! 's okay, people confuse Bill and Ms. Mirren all the time, especially when they're on the same hotel ladder. In this particular case, she's the slightly older one in the dress. -=G=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:31:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29799587.1171160524233.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Actually it's the Evil twin Mike. (I think) -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> ...And every one of them flashing on and off 60 times/second. >> >> sheesh... starting to sound like the smoking thread.... > > 'Member awhile back, when someone mentioned that people tend to > subconsciously "tune out" constant high-pitched sounds, and Chris B pointed > out that he and other squeeks can't do that? > > It's the same with some sqwintz and fluorescent lights. For over 20 years the better CF (and now all of them....) use a supersonic frequency ballast that humans can neither hear nor can the tube flash at that frequency. You are referring to the dark ages.... To establish whether there is any strobing with a light of any type, just move your hand quickly between your eye and the light and you will see the strobing. If you don't - it's not. Come on squints!!! you know this.... Charlie ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:11:07 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. At 3:26 PM -0500 2/10/07, Michael de Almeida wrote: > Has anyone else heard of this? > http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a40/ Yes. Proof that all the unkind things we've all thought about California and its legislators is true. Tell me, how are you going to light a show in CA without incandescent lamps? Last I knew, no one made a fluorescent replacement for an HPL... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Anytime you hear businessmen debating "which policy is better for America", don't bend over. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:12:00 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. At 12:46 PM -0800 2/10/07, Charlie Richmond wrote: > Yes, it was on the news a few days ago. It was explained that > it won't be illegal to possess incandescent lamps, just to sell > them retail ;-) When incandescents are outlawed, only outlaws will incandesce. -DVick ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: Smokers on a call Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:24:05 -0500 From a worker's perspective, "I'm taking a break" is sometimes code for "You've been working us like dogs for five hours, boss; we're only human!" (Sorry, June, not everyone works in a union hall.) And disappearing on a break is often code for "You're not supervising me closely enough." Neither of which, I feel, is acceptable; communication should be open, not encoded, and workers share as much responsibility as the foreman. As far as cads who ask for a break every ten minutes, or sneak off without telling anyone -- well, there's always other work they can do. Matthew Breton Design for Theater and Dance _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo � buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 ------------------------------ From: Mike Brubaker Subject: RE: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: "Rigger" "Tell me, how are you going to light a show in CA without incandescent=20 lamps? Last I knew, no one made a fluorescent replacement for an=20 HPL." I had to think about this legislation for a while before I wrote anything. = I am a lighting designer first and foremost,so this is somewhat dear to me= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CE988E.2000106 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:16:14 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > For those of you that are freaking, it doesn' cost quite that much to stay > in downtown PHX, that was another in a long list of typos. I meant $200. I figured it was just hyperbole. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1135 ******************************