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Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Mike Brubaker 2. Re: big class by Kh97925 [at] aol.com 3. Re: Lumber by "Jon Ares" 4. Re: Lumber & lauan by "Jon Ares" 5. Re: big class by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 6. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Jon Ares" 7. Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line by "Patrick Immel" 8. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by Jim Hyslop 9. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Rigger 10. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Greg Williams 11. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Greg Williams 12. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Bill Nelson" 13. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by "Bill Nelson" 14. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Herrick Goldman 15. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Greg Williams 16. Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? by Greg Williams 17. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Jon Ares" 18. Re: Lumber by "Tony Miller" 19. Re: Lumber by "David B. Nelson" 20. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 21. Re: Lumber by "Don Taco" 22. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by 23. Re: Vexing Vectorworks by Mick Alderson 24. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 25. Re: Lumber by Jerry Durand 26. Re: your slice of the pi by "Don Taco" 27. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by 28. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 29. Re: ETC Eos by William McLachlan 30. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by CB 31. Re: Excellent musicians by CB 32. Re: Smokers on a call by CB 33. Re: Smokers on a call by CB 34. Re: USITT List Get Together? by CB 35. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by CB 36. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by CB 37. Auto Cad delima by "Michael Powers" 38. Thanks to the list! by Greg Williams 39. Re: Auto Cad delima by Mike Brubaker 40. Audio Possibilities by Bill Peeler 41. Props Fee? by Al Fitch 42. Re: Audio Possibilities by Brian James 43. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by 44. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by 45. Re: Audio Possibilities by 46. SuperBowl Halftime by "Stephen Litterst" 47. Re: Lumber by "Tony Miller" 48. Re: websites for students by June Abernathy 49. Re: websites for students by Charlie Fraser 50. TMB Power PAR & CK Colorblaze by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 51. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Daniel Kelly" 52. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Rigger 53. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures by "Steve Vanciel" 54. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Bill Nelson" 55. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Bill Nelson" 56. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 57. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Bill Nelson" 58. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 59. Re: Lumber by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brubaker Subject: RE: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:56:24 -0500 Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Nelson" "I can just see it now, a bunch of automobiles with CF headlights and taill= ights. Since the light source is rather diffuse, it would spray light all over the= place." As far as I can tell, this guy is not mandating use of CF lamps. He's usin= g their ready availability as part of his justification. There ARE other t= echnologies out there, many of which are viable now. Lots of cars with LED= taillights... Mike Brubaker Associated Controls + Design= ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:19:58 EST Subject: Re: big class In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:53:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: > > > Is there some way to limit >the number of students in the class. I'd never accept >that many in the class. If it is in that much demand, >offer it more often or open another section. Your >life is too short to be worrying about things that >administrators should be taking care of. > Well, lucky you if you can decide how many students to accept - maybe I shouldn't have left the US! Here we have this nasty thing called budget, and there is no money to pay me for teaching two classes! You could have the problem we have here in Georgia where the Governor signs into a law a mandatory limit on class size. But then there's no corresponding budget increase to allow for additional teachers or facilities to accommodate those limits. But hey, he's the education governor... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c74de2$151e8da0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Lumber Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:39:40 -0800 > I was taught that lauan doesn't come in a true 4'x8' sheet because it's > actually in metric measurements since it comes from the Philippines and > Malaysia. Has anyone else heard that? I'm seeing the lauan is coming from more markets than it used to. It used to be that around here, the lauan was usually from Honduras, but just yesterday, a shipment I was using was stamped "Indonesia." - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c74de3$4eafaf80$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Lumber & lauan Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:48:27 -0800 > In regards to lauan, I was looking up some info and came across this > website. Has anyone tried using any of the listed alternative products > in place of lauan? I've used Homasote for sound dampening, but never as > the finished surface. I can't buy their line that Homasote is "structural." (Well, technically it _does_ have structure, I suppose.... but so does Kleenex.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:47:36 -0500 Subject: Re: big class From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As a university level educator for nearly 30 years, I was always able to limit the size of my classes. Intro classes were bread and butter. Acting, directing and tech classes always had limits and the faculty members teaching them set them. I never taught a tech class larger than 20 students. For design classes, the limit was the number of drafting tables. Steve > From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:19:58 EST > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: big class > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:53:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: >> >> >> Is there some way to limit >> the number of students in the class. I'd never accept >> that many in the class. If it is in that much demand, >> offer it more often or open another section. Your >> life is too short to be worrying about things that >> administrators should be taking care of. >> > > Well, lucky you if you can decide how many students to accept - maybe I > shouldn't have left the US! Here we have this nasty thing called budget, > and there is no money to pay me for teaching two classes! > > You could have the problem we have here in Georgia where the Governor signs > into a law a mandatory limit on class size. But then there's no > corresponding budget increase to allow for additional teachers or facilities > to > accommodate those limits. But hey, he's the education governor... > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008b01c74de7$b77c9dd0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:20:00 -0800 > I can just see it now, a bunch of automobiles with CF headlights and > taillights. I do wonder what the future will be for headlights. As for taillights - it's LEDs. Our local public transport started buying buses with LED taillights and signals a few years ago, and recently had to replace them with something less obnoxious. The originals were retina-scarring and seizure-inducingly bright!! Horrible horrible things. Brightest, most painful things I've ever had the misfortune to be behind in pre-dawn light. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:27:49 -0600 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: Re: mirror resources for A Chorus Line In-Reply-To: References: On 2/9/07, Nikki wrote:. > Question: Does anyone have recommendations for > inexpensive places to buy or rent the mirrors? We're > in upstate NY (really upstate: Willsboro, NY). > TIA ~Nikki Hilchey Hi Nikki, Try this: USITT Technical Production Commission's, Technical Source Guide ONLINE http://www.patrickimmel.com/tsgo/index.htm look for "Issue #2 - Mirrex Panels" HTH, Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com VW Designer V12.5 1GB Ram Dual-Core notebook Win XP sp2 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CF2877.8080806 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:30:15 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > Brantford, Ontario. About 3 miles. There were several tests of roughly the same > distance. Give the man a cigar! I believe it was more like 8 miles, to Paris, Ontario. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:28:57 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. At 6:20 AM -0800 2/11/07, Jon Ares wrote: > Our local public transport started buying buses with LED taillights > and signals a few years ago, and recently had to replace them with > something less obnoxious. The originals were retina-scarring and > seizure-inducingly bright!! Horrible horrible things. Brightest, > most painful things I've ever had the misfortune to be behind in > pre-dawn light. Yes, but you can't say you ran into the back of the bus because you didn't see the taillights, can you? That's the whole point; that and increasing the lifespan of the signals by a couple orders of magnitude. That's why I replaced the "normal" taillights with the rudest LED units I could find, when I was driving the semi last year. FWIW, I can see LED automotive headlamps coming (if you'll pardon the pun) in the not-too-distand future. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Some say the glass is half empty. Some say the glass is half full. I say the glass is too big. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:37:27 -0500 On Feb 10, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > Actually it's the Evil twin Mike. (I think) Nah, 'twas Bill. Iron Mike was elsewhere. -=Greg Williams=- LRLR.org ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <000AC996-0129-4C9F-A7CC-8A67120D743C [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:33:21 -0500 On Feb 11, 2007, at 2:15 AM, Gerry G. wrote: > Actually no, in all deference to Bill she is significantly more > attractive especially in a mature female context *~> Allusions to > Bill in a dress are unsubstantiated... > Gerry G. Yeah, but there's this one picture taken after a parade in Philly... -=Greg Williams=- LRLR.org P.S. I'm enjoying the lull while Bill is in Vegas and can't respond to stagecraft list or defend himself. I'm sure there'll be an incoming shackle around here someplace. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1521.205.215.253.17.1171214162.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:16:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. From: "Bill Nelson" > "I can just see it now, a bunch of automobiles with CF headlights and taillights. > Since the light source is rather diffuse, it would spray light all over the place." > > As far as I can tell, this guy is not mandating use of CF lamps. He's using their > ready availability as part of his justification. There ARE other technologies out > there, many of which are viable now. Lots of cars with LED taillights... The point is that no bill has been introduced, so we don't know what he is planning. It may be just a ban on incandescents for home usage, or it may be an attempt to ban all incandescents. On the other hand, my computer and monitor use more power than all the lights in my house combined. I doubt if we have to worry about theatre lights, the entertainment industry is a power lobby in California. If they banned air conditioning and heated swimming pools in California, I suspect the power saving would be an order of magnitude greater than getting rid of incandescents. Hm. Maybe they should mandate solar power on all homes south of San Francisco, with the residents only being able to use whatever power is generated by the panels. Of course, the law would have to require that the solar power be the only energy source allowed. Now, THAT would would a "green" law. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1523.205.215.253.17.1171214312.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:18:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? From: "Bill Nelson" >> Actually it's the Evil twin Mike. (I think) > > Nah, 'twas Bill. Iron Mike was elsewhere. I thought Bill said that it was Mike that got to hold her hand and drool all over his shoes. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:22:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17370756.1171212383037.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Really? Usually Bill looks happier. :) On 2/11/07 11:37 AM, "Greg Williams" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Feb 10, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > >> Actually it's the Evil twin Mike. (I think) > > Nah, 'twas Bill. Iron Mike was elsewhere. > > -=Greg Williams=- > LRLR.org > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:37:27 -0500 On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > Really? Usually Bill looks happier. :) Maybe his harness was chafing? -=Greg Williams=- LRLR.org ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Where's Waldo... er, Bill? Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:39:29 -0500 On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Bill Nelson wrote: > I thought Bill said that it was Mike that got to hold her hand and > drool all over > his shoes. > > Bill I think that was a previous shoot on the gargoyles at the Chrysler building. I think he's on the list, though, if not still submerged in fashion week. Hey Mike, was there drool involved? -=Greg Williams=- LRLR.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c74e08$8cef0cd0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:15:02 -0800 > Yes, but you can't say you ran into the back of the bus because you didn't > see the taillights, can you? > No, but after the bus left, I did run over a pedestrian, due to temporary blindness. (Just kidding.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:29:51 +0000 From: "Tony Miller" Subject: Re: Lumber In-Reply-To: References: As the USA is probably the last country in the world to use imperial measurement, the timber you have are cut in nominal sizes. 8ft x 4ft is actually 2440mm by 1220mm, 1 inch is actually cut to 20mm so for example 2in by 1in is really 40mm by 20mm. I suppose you could get actual size but that would be more expensive as it would only be useful for the USA. Tony Miller. On 09/02/07, Jason Haislet wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anybody else notice how lumber sizes are changing. > 1x4 are no longer 3/4" x 3 1/2". They are smaller. > 4x8 sheet goods are getting smaller as well. It > doesn't seem to matter if the lumber is from a lumber > yard, Lowes, or Home Depot. Is there a good reason, > or are milling companies just trying to get more > lumber out of a log? > > > Jason Haislet, Carpenter > (937)830-1116 > Kettering, Ohio > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: RE: Lumber Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c74e0d$68044480$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: > As the USA is probably the last country in the world to use imperial > measurement, the timber you have are cut in nominal sizes. 8ft x 4ft > is actually 2440mm by 1220mm .... This sounds amazingly silly. A clear case of form over substance. Do folks in other countries really walk into their lumberyard and ask for a "2440mm by 1220mm" sheet of plywood? Or even for a "2.4m x 1.2m" sheet of plywood? Keeping the size basically the same and changing the units is nuts. I could understand it if the rest of the world had "3m by 2m" plywood, or some other even number in metric units. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:50:38 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Mike Brubaker wrote: > "I can just see it now, a bunch of automobiles with CF headlights and taillights. > Since the light source is rather diffuse, it would spray light all over the place." > > As far as I can tell, this guy is not mandating use of CF lamps. He's using > their ready availability as part of his justification. There ARE other > technologies out there, many of which are viable now. Lots of cars with LED > taillights... And high end cars have used much more efficient headlamps for some time now - they certainly are more expensive but that's largely the cachet value now since the technology is highly developed. I note that no one seems to have commented on the point I made about CFs not strobing.... Come on folks... it's the 21st century! lol C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02d601c74e0e$772e4c20$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: Lumber Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:57:20 -0800 > This sounds amazingly silly. A clear case of form over substance. Do > folks > in other countries really walk into their lumberyard and ask for a "2440mm > by 1220mm" sheet of plywood? Or even for a "2.4m x 1.2m" sheet of > plywood? > Keeping the size basically the same and changing the units is nuts. I > could > understand it if the rest of the world had "3m by 2m" plywood, or some > other > even number in metric units. > > Regards, > > Dave Nelson Ah, but do we in the US walk into our lumberyard and ask for a 'three-quarter by three-and-a-half'? And, don't we just ask for a 'sheet' of plywood? This isn't a fair comparison. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:57:25 +0000 Message-Id: <20070211185725.PDLH17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Rigger > Date: 2007/02/11 Sun AM 03:11:07 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 3:26 PM -0500 2/10/07, Michael de Almeida wrote: > > > Has anyone else heard of this? > > http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a40/ > > > Yes. Proof that all the unkind things we've all thought about > California and its legislators is true. It seems to prove that the legislator in question has never done any domestic maintenance. I use low energy bulbs extensively, but only when the fitting is suitable. For aesthetic reasons, they don't work with some shades, sticking out of the top. If you use clip-on shades, the clips don't work properly, and the shades are everlastingly cock-eyed. Stage lighting, as we know it, would be impossible, since all "spotlights" are designed for as near as you can get to a point source. Things like HMI and CDI are very efficient, in terms of lumens per watt, but both need control gear, and do not have a reasonably linear spectral output. This means an unpredictable reaction with colour filters. Not really unpredictable, I suppose, since if you have details of the optput and the filter transmission you can do calculations to see what the effect will be, and possibly correlate this with some other filter. Since the response of the eye to colours is three non-mathematical functions, this involves a lot of data, and takes time. US state legislatures have had some foolish ideas. The best one of which I have heard was one state, Texas, I think, which solemnly legislated that PI was equal to 3. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CF67F6.9010209 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:01:10 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks Kh97925 [at] aol.com wrote: > Creating a drawing that prints to scale and looks good enough to the naked > eye to be able to read the measurements & make the cuts manually is relatively > easy in CAD and most 10-yr olds can do it after a few minutes of explaining > how the CAD software works. But creating a drawing that goes straight from > the designer's mind to the tool inputs requires a level of > manufacturing/product design engineering that a lot of designers just don't have. (Not that > there's anything wrong with that). A lot of designers don't even really > understand the concept of layers on a drawing. They just put what they need on the > page till it looks like what they want it to look like & can convey their > ideas to whomever needs to use it. What he said! Isn't it the TD's job to decide how a designer's drawings will be built and to generate the "working" drawings required? Yes, the designer should supply drawings that indicate what it looks like, but isn't it then up to a TD to decide exactly how it will be accomplished and then to generate the working drawings to the level of sophistication required? So why are designer drawings being fed into a CNC machine? I've figured out that I would be an "offender" in this discussion. I don't have a CNC mill, and have never even seen one. I don't know what they require. My "milling machine" is a student with a jig saw! I am a "sloppy" drafter in that I usually find "snaps" to be more frustrating than helpful (they keep snapping to the wrong point!), and so I often turn them off. My lines are rarely "properly" joined and may not meet when viewed at a high enough screen magnification. As a previous poster mentioned, they meet _just fine_ on a paper printout, which is the level of sophistication I need, and is the _same_ level of sophistication I would get with a quality hand drafting. It is "good enough". But I do take the point. My students may well go on to a shop which needs that kind of accuracy in drafting. I will try to improve my own technique, and teach them to be more careful as well. But that level of precision will add NOTHING to my own shop, at a marginal but real increase in my own work load. I *DO* look at this as another example of the tyranny of technology. CAD, like other technologies, is supposed to make drafting faster and easier, and so save us time. Instead, it _seems_ we have merely raised the bar on what is acceptable, even when a higher bar isn't needed. But because we CAN, we now MUST! -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre Univ. of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Jon Ares wrote: > I do wonder what the future will be for headlights. As for taillights - it's As I said before, headlights have been progressing rapidly over the last 20 years. From this link: http://www.nissan.ca/en/vehicles/350Z/exterior.html#headlight it says: Headlight Design Through a unique monocle design, the projector beam Xenon headlights illuminate apexes of tight hairpins, and match the spectral wavelength where human eyes are the most sensitive. > LEDs. Our local public transport started buying buses with LED taillights > and signals a few years ago, and recently had to replace them with something > less obnoxious. The originals were retina-scarring and seizure-inducingly > bright!! Horrible horrible things. Brightest, most painful things I've ever > had the misfortune to be behind in pre-dawn light. Well, they were silly to buy tail lamps that were too bright. If they met the Federal DOT requirements properly, they would be just fine. Obviously they were not approved. C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:08:24 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Lumber In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070211190824.EAB951B7FBD [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 10:49 AM 2/11/2007, David B. Nelson wrote: >This sounds amazingly silly. A clear case of form over substance. It's even more silly in some electronics. When I first started designing some rack-mount equipment I noticed all the spacing units weren't even numbers in metric, but were specified as metric. I converted back and found they were inch-fractions that had been rounded to metric, the standard set, and now we had to convert back to match the spec. Example, instead of 1-3/16, the spec. would say 30.2mm which is 1-3/16 plus a little. They didn't come out even in either metric or inch. I guess that gave equal pain to all involved. I've also seen some well-known connectors that appear to have been specified with a math error. The pin spacing is a strange number, but if you make a math error and calculate the spacing based on the number of pins instead of (pins - 1), then it comes out even. Oops. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02e101c74e11$49304820$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: your slice of the pi Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:17:33 -0800 > US state legislatures have had some foolish ideas. Granted! Actually, you are being too kind. The best one of which I have heard was one state, Texas, I think, which solemnly legislated that PI was equal to 3. > > > Frank Wood This is a widespread, and very popular, myth. No state has ever passed such legislation. However, there is a germ of truth. In 1897, Indiana introduced a bill, which came close to passing, that, in addition to other things, postulated 4 new values for pi, one of them being 3. I can't help but think that the California legislator in question isn't imagining that he can successfully ban incandescents, but is looking for ways to make headlines, in his quest for re-election and higher offices. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:27:40 +0000 Message-Id: <20070211192740.LQWZ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Jim Hyslop > Date: 2007/02/11 Sun AM 04:18:48 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Nelson wrote: > > Bell's first telephone transmission was only one room to the next, probably under 50 > > feet of wire. Could that one way communication be called a "conversation"? Probably not. It just demonstrated that the engineering worked. > > Follow up question: where was the world's first long-distance phone call > made, and how far was it? That depended on the establishment of the lines, and of the rest of the infrastructure. Think of the problems of establishing a telephone exchange in those days, with the skills they had then. They built soundly. If you set your 'phone to 'pulse dialling' rather than 'tone dialling' you will communicate with the local exchange in the way that the pioneers did. Until someone borrowed it, and failed to return it, I had a copy of "Poole's Practical Telephone Handbook" dated 1909. The systems described there were in use, in the UK, up to the sixties and beyond. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Bill Nelson wrote: > all incandescents. On the other hand, my computer and monitor use more power than > all the lights in my house combined. This is one major reason I use my notebook computer for everything... ;-) C ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <255BF20E-D6DF-44D8-8CE9-8B1A73A3A6C7 [at] wmld.com> From: William McLachlan Subject: Re: ETC Eos Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:33:16 -0800 Hi Roy, It appears as I usually do I got busy and missed this post. Thank you for the compliment, that's a very nice thing to say. As for writing I've always enjoyed it but I have no idea when I would find the time. Seems however when the story is juicy or strange enough, the time seems to find *me*. As for the Eos, I'm curious if anyone else on the list is actually using it. I'm told a handfull of the units are out there and would love to hear the opinions of others. Cheers, Willy On Jan 29, 2007, at 5:13 PM, Roy Harline wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Willy, > I tried to send this last week while traveling West Texas, but my > exchange server only emits HTML so I couldn't send it. > Today's message made me think again about the fun I had reading your > accounts of the travels and trials with Nine inch Nails tour oh so NOT > so many years back... > You truly have a gift for communicating, and writing. > You really should write a book about your experiences. I would read > it!! > > Roy Harline > Sales and Design > Texas Scenic Company > 210-684-0091 > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211133600.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:36:00 From: CB Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! >Marconi was not the first to make a radio transmission, by a long shot. Kinda why I asked about 'his' first instead of 'the' first. We know about his, because it was widely publicized. If I had asked for 'the' first, there could have been at least a half-a-dozen 'correct' answers. Marconi admits that the first transmission experiments went from his house to his garden, about a hundred yards. The rest of the answers were spot-on! >Interestingly enough, it was only certain religious sects that believed the world >was flat. Even ancient scholars At various times, and various places, the two were synonymous, and if you wished to be a scholar that held a different opinion, you usually earned the title, 'heretic'. "American Fascists" points to today's America headed in the same direction. I think a play would say it better... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211135105.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:51:05 From: CB Subject: Re: Excellent musicians >Check out Andy McKee: Eric Mongrain has a similar percussive style, but it's less repetetive in motif. This cat is awsome, no doubt, and skilled, but the melodic lines that Eric bangs out tend to be a bit more complicated, and somewhat more exciting, IMHO. Check it out at: or . Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211140800.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:08:00 From: CB Subject: Re: Smokers on a call >This is not a smoker vs non smoker issue. This is a basic work ethic >issue. OTOH, (and this employer gets the news of the list, if not the list), one employer allows me to smoke in his shop as it's usually just he and I, and I tend to not take breaks. I'm much happier smoking amongs the other airborne iritants that shops tend to produce, than I am standing around outside doing absolutely nothing other than holding onto a cigarette. Do I wish I didn't smoke? Yeah. Am I willing to forgo tha smoke if anyone is bothered by it? Yeah. Am I gonna quit? Yep, 's'easy. Done it dozens of times. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211141603.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:16:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Smokers on a call >Smoke breaks are somehow >acceptable, and it's the non-smokers who pick up the >slack. After a while, it's inevitable that we start to >resent it. June, June, June. This is the very first time in recorded history of the list that I've ever disagreed with you. I'm also one of those that picks up the slack of the slackers. And I pick up the slack of those that are slacking and smoking, and those that are just slacking, and I too, resent it. I am a smoker, and I won't let someone walk away from work to smoke. If I want to smoke between breaks, and I don't have anything to do in my deptartment, I'll go help someone doing something outside. My last cigarette during 'on' time (i.e., not break or lunch) cost me 400 lbs, of bases and 1.000 ft of data cable, a dozen scrollers and four controllers. It needed to be done, my stuff was packed and waiting to go on the truck, I could help someone out and smoke, too! Like the man said, there are all kinds of bad people, and some of 'em smoke. This does not translate to 'people who smoke are bad'. I don't know of anyone that thinks that slacking to smoke is acceptable, and I'm not sure that I want to. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211142654.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:26:54 From: CB Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? >> For those of you that are freaking, it doesn' cost quite that much to stay >> in downtown PHX, that was another in a long list of typos. I meant $200. > >I figured it was just hyperbole. What, in our hiustory, would leave you to believe that I wou... er, what? Oh. Yeah. Nevermind... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211143109.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:31:09 From: CB Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! >long-distance phone >> call Kind of a vague term. Bell's first call out of his home city was, what, 1876 to a neighboring town, and coupla other places, Chicago and NYC were connected in 1892, but you couldn't place a long distance call from your phone by yourself until just after WWII. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070211143439.00ca57b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:34:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! >Brantford, Ontario. About 3 miles. Yeah, this was the Bell thing that I was talking about! Brantford, gotta make a note of that... He called a grocery store and a friend, and a post office or something called him. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702111404y33305a65m64ce3b1bf427b879 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:04:39 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Auto Cad delima Ladies and Gents of the list, This last week I have come across an ACAD problem which is both new to me and perplexing. If anyone has a clue I would love to hear what the problem or the cure is. I am drafting in ACad 2006 (which saves dwgs in 2004). I sent a dwg to a repro company and when the print came back, a number of items were changed from an object ( a line or curve etc.) to a box with a short line of text. We first thought that the file was corrupted by e-mail and I saved a copy of the file to a USB portable drive and went to the company. When their computer opened the file, it looked fine on preview, but still showed the same problem when actually opening the program. For example, the curved front edge of the stage was replaced by a rectangle and some text that enclosed the space occupied by that curve. The same thing happened to several items representing doors and swing arc of the doors. The original drawing was from a CD supplied by the building architect, drawn in ACad 2004, adjusted for the particular event we were working on, saved and sent to the repro company. When I print out small 8.5x11 inch versions at my office, it prints exactly as it should. Any ideas???????????? -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Thanks to the list! Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:11:18 -0500 I just have to say that I love this list. Recently I've had two very different requests, posted them to the list, and very quickly received multiple input and solutions, both on the list and privately. I'm going to have to buy you all a beer. It will be sitting at the end of the bar in Phoenix. Come by and take a sip... Seriously, thanks to Noah and all the listers! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ From: Mike Brubaker Subject: RE: Auto Cad delima Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Powers" "came back, a number of items were changed from an object ( a line or curve etc.) to a box with a short line of text. We first thought that the file was corrupted by" "The same thing happened to several items representing doors and swing arc of the doors. The original drawing was from a CD supplied by the building architect, drawn in ACad 2004," "Any ideas????????????" Yep, I've got a pretty good idea of what it is...oh, you want to know?=20 Autodesk has a product named "Architectural Desktop". This is an AutoCad b= ased piece that does some very cool stuff--like work directly in 3d and uti= lize smart objects. These objects (walls, windows, doors, etc.) actually i= nteract with each other. Your architect was using this product to generate= the original drawings. Why it works on your machine and not on the repro machine are the same reas= on: the fix is to download an "object enabler" from th Autodesk website. T= his has happened already on your machine. Options: 1. Have the printer download and install the enabler. 2. Bind the xref (if you're using one) and explode it) 3. Plot the file as a PDF or DWF. That help?=20 Mike Brubaker=20 Associated Controls + Design = ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CFA1A0.1070607 [at] txstate.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:07:12 -0600 From: Bill Peeler Reply-To: BillPeeler [at] txstate.edu Subject: Audio Possibilities References: In-Reply-To: An audio question for the collective. . . I'm involved in a show in which we are wanting to take the mic signal from a performer on stage, manipulate it in various ways (echo, reverb, various forms of distortion, etc.) and then feed it into the overall mix in "real time". We're looking for any techniques/software packages that will allow us to do this sort of thing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Bill Peeler Texas State University ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Props Fee? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <249803.83057.qm [at] web84014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An employee new to the business who has worked with and for me a lot lately is being asked to "do" props for an upcoming production that will be produced in the space I work in. He may or may not be required to make props which he is capable of doing. He was asked to give a figure as to how much he needs to do the job (salary). I don't have an answer for him as to how to charge. What would this job as a hunter/gatherer props person fetch in your world? The only thing I could tell him was to ask for a prop budget for purchase/rentals. Any help would be appreciated. Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CFA49B.3020106 [at] gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:19:55 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Audio Possibilities References:

In-Reply-To: Maybe I am missing something, but couldn't you just use a normal effects loop? To do this, use on of the aux sends on your console to send the channel signal out of the board into a FX processor, then feed the output of the FX processor into a different input channel of you console. Bring the dry channel (the original input channel) up and then bring the wet (Fx input channel) up until you hear the desired effect the way you want. You will need to adjust your gain structure using the FX device input/output setting and the aux send levels from the console. There are a number of reasonable external FX units available that would do this, and the price ranges vary. Some manufacturers are: T.C. Electronics Lexicon Yamaha There are many more manufacturers than I have listed, those are the one who's product line I use and have familiarity with. This is what we usually use to mix in reverb for concert reinforcement needs. Let me know if the above information is not clear. Bill Peeler wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > An audio question for the collective. . . I'm involved in a show in > which we are wanting to take the mic signal from a performer on stage, > manipulate it in various ways (echo, reverb, various forms of > distortion, etc.) and then feed it into the overall mix in "real > time". We're looking for any techniques/software packages that will > allow us to do this sort of thing. Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance, > Bill Peeler > Texas State University > ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 0:07:25 +0000 Message-Id: <20070212000725.SXTQ26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/02/11 Sun PM 01:36:00 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Marconi was not the first to make a radio transmission, by a long shot. > > Kinda why I asked about 'his' first instead of 'the' first. We know about > his, because it was widely publicized. If I had asked for 'the' first, > there could have been at least a half-a-dozen 'correct' answers. > Marconi admits that the first transmission experiments went from his house > to his garden, about a hundred yards. > The rest of the answers were spot-on! > > >Interestingly enough, it was only certain religious sects that believed > the world > >was flat. Even ancient scholars > > At various times, and various places, the two were synonymous, and if you > wished to be a scholar that held a different opinion, you usually earned > the title, 'heretic'. > "American Fascists" points to today's America headed in the same direction. > I think a play would say it better... > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 0:18:59 +0000 Message-Id: <20070212001859.JMQZ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/02/11 Sun PM 01:36:00 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Marconi was not the first to make a radio transmission, by a long shot. He was probably the first engineer to make it work. Hertz and Lecher did the laboratory work: Marconi took it into the real world. > > >Interestingly enough, it was only certain religious sects that believed > the world > >was flat. Even ancient scholars > > At various times, and various places, the two were synonymous, and if you > wished to be a scholar that held a different opinion, you usually earned > the title, 'heretic'. > "American Fascists" points to today's America headed in the same direction. > I think a play would say it better... > It has been done. Arthur Miller's "The Crucible", for example. Jean Anouilh's "the Lark", and Shaw's "St. Joan" add to the canon, as do other more modern plays. Ariel Dorfman's "Death and the Maiden" comes to mind. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Audio Possibilities Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 0:28:35 +0000 Message-Id: <20070212002835.JOCT29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Bill Peeler > Date: 2007/02/11 Sun PM 11:07:12 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Audio Possibilities > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > An audio question for the collective. . . I'm involved in a show in > which we are wanting to take the mic signal from a performer on stage, > manipulate it in various ways (echo, reverb, various forms of > distortion, etc.) and then feed it into the overall mix in "real time". > We're looking for any techniques/software packages that will allow us to > do this sort of thing. Any ideas? My first question is why? Let that go. My first answer is that a well designed patch panel ought to allow you to do all of this. > > Thanks in advance, > Bill Peeler > Texas State University > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-ID: <11b83d560702111706h71220d19s7f3d817572fed38f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:06:28 -0500 From: "Stephen Litterst" Subject: SuperBowl Halftime Ok, can you insiders confirm or deny a rumor? In this week's Entertainment Weekly they had a story that just before the halftime show a critical power cable was severed. A stagehand grabbed the wire, plugged the bare ends into the outlet and held them in place for 12 minutes so the show could go on. Not something I'd do in the pouring rain, even at the Superbowl, but that's just me. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:21:01 +0000 From: "Tony Miller" Subject: Re: Lumber In-Reply-To: References:

Of course it's really silly but since when did that make a difference? Here in the UK we still go and ask for an 8 x 4 sheet knowing that it is 2440 x 1220mm and 2 x 1 or 3 x 1 (we have always specified it the other way round to you) knowing it is a nominal measurement of 40 x 20mm or 60 x 20mm and also knowing it is ever so slightly cheaper as we are saving around 5mm per inch. Tony Miller. On 11/02/07, David B. Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > This sounds amazingly silly. A clear case of form over substance. Do folks > in other countries really walk into their lumberyard and ask for a "2440mm > by 1220mm" sheet of plywood? Or even for a "2.4m x 1.2m" sheet of plywood? > Keeping the size basically the same and changing the units is nuts. I could > understand it if the rest of the world had "3m by 2m" plywood, or some other > even number in metric units. > > Regards, > > Dave Nelson > > Technical Director > Adams Memorial Opera House > Derry, NH, USA > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: websites for students Message-ID: <243688.34207.qm [at] web34508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >I'm teaching a class in introduction to lighting >which has nearly 40 students in it. I try to get them >into the theater from time to time and >show them lights in action, but there are just too >many of them to enable enough practical experience, >and they complain about this with justice and say >that they can't remember the difference between one >lamp and another. Can anybody suggest websites which >would help clarify the characteristics and >differences of different instruments? I've been >looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites >and confusing to a student. >Thanks >Judy Do you have any spare instruments (even unlamped/not working) that you could bring into the classroom for show and tell? I realize you would probably not be able to energize them, but you could say - "Here is a Leko, it is a spot/specific area light, here's the barrel, here's the shutters, etc." "Here's a Fresnel, it's a wash light, here's the handle you would use to focus, these are called barn doors, etc." If you had any way of hanging a pipe or bringing in some kind of meat rack to hang them on, all the better. I realize you couldn't really demonstrate focus without power, but it would be more help with the telling the lamps apart thing than pictures, I would think. Sometimes it is easier to understand them and see their various parts when you can see them right in front of you than it is to see all that hung up above you in a theater. If you can't get real theatrical lights, you might be able to find lamps at your local home center or residential lighting store that could give them an idea of the difference between a spotlight, a wash unit, and a PAR can type fixture. Those, you could probably plug in in your classroom. I've seen several that were even theatrical looking. Hope that helps - June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45CFCBAC.5050803 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:06:36 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: websites for students References: In-Reply-To: I agree with June in trying to setup some sort of learning hands on lab if you will. Our community theater had a volunteer open house today and I met a few people who were interested in tech theater. I was amazed while they had an interest up to this point they had little if any practical experience. One older gentleman handles lighting for his Adult Community and wanted to volunteer in our group to get experience. I had a few people in the control room and I did a rough sketch of a light plot with areas and people said "Wow! that makes sense to design lights that way in separate areas (Stanley McCandless where are you????????)." My point is unless you can connect the dots and at least get some hands on your not going to get it. I usually do the hang by myself I have 3 people who want to help me in 2 weeks :-) Charlie June Abernathy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> I'm teaching a class in introduction to lighting >> which has nearly 40 students in it. I try to get them >> into the theater from time to time and >> show them lights in action, but there are just too >> many of them to enable enough practical experience, >> and they complain about this with justice and say >> that they can't remember the difference between one >> lamp and another. Can anybody suggest websites which >> would help clarify the characteristics and >> differences of different instruments? I've been >> looking myself, but mostly they are commercial sites >> and confusing to a student. >> > > >> Thanks >> Judy >> > > Do you have any spare instruments (even unlamped/not > working) that you could bring into the classroom for > show and tell? I realize you would probably not be > able to energize them, but you could say - "Here is a > Leko, it is a spot/specific area light, here's the > barrel, here's the shutters, etc." "Here's a Fresnel, > it's a wash light, here's the handle you would use to > focus, these are called barn doors, etc." > > If you had any way of hanging a pipe or bringing in > some kind of meat rack to hang them on, all the > better. I realize you couldn't really demonstrate > focus without power, but it would be more help with > the telling the lamps apart thing than pictures, I > would think. > > Sometimes it is easier to understand them and see > their various parts when you can see them right in > front of you than it is to see all that hung up above > you in a theater. > > If you can't get real theatrical lights, you might be > able to find lamps at your local home center or > residential lighting store that could give them an > idea of the difference between a spotlight, a wash > unit, and a PAR can type fixture. Those, you could > probably plug in in your classroom. I've seen several > that were even theatrical looking. > > Hope that helps - > > > > June Abernathy > IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) > FOH Electrician > The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <18925680.1171253447677.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:10:47 -0500 (EST) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: TMB Power PAR & CK Colorblaze Hi all.... Could anyone out there tell me what to expect color life to be using TMB's Power PAR? We'd be using scrollers--I have no idea what colors yet. Other than the very usual suspects, anyone have good rental sources for CK Colorblaze units and/or the Power PARs? Thanks in advance!! --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:09:21 -0500 From: "Daniel Kelly" Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: References:

Now why can't we just put our selfishness aside and use government mandated lighting for the greater good of society? The state knows best how to manage our lives, afterall. This brilliant social architect was popularly elected and deserves respect and adulation as a decision maker acting in our best interest. ;-) ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:22:43 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. At 12:09 AM -0500 2/12/07, Daniel Kelly wrote: >Now why can't we just put our selfishness aside and use government >mandated lighting for the greater good of society? The state knows >best how to manage our lives, afterall. This brilliant social >architect was popularly elected and deserves respect and adulation as >a decision maker acting in our best interest. ;-) Swim... Swim... Swim... Swim... Swim... Sniff... Swim... Swim... Swim... Sniff-Sniff... Swim... Swim... Swim-Swim-Swim-Swim-Swim-Swim-CHOMP! HACK-*PTOOEY*!! Swim... Swim... Swim... Swim... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <65ee040702112204xce0532brdf52b2bda0c2bc53 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:04:03 -0500 From: "Steve Vanciel" Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures In-Reply-To: References:

This thread may have run its course already, but since I was at sea last week, I'm just now catching up with the list. There are a lot of weather proof fixtures on the market. Altman and Thomas are the closest to a theatrical style PAR by having color frame tabs available. If you check their websites you will find a variety of lamp sizes and accessories. I have an outdoor rig right now that uses over 60 of the Thomas PARs and 20 of the Altmans. They have held up very well in a harsh Florida with Chlorinated water environment. We just installed 24 new Thomas short nose PAR64's and discovered that the yoke band and hardware has been redesigned and significantly improved. (This was not noted in the catalog.) The thing that really concerns me is the common practice of using indoor fixtures out-of-doors. I have and do see this occurring everywhere. The issue is the UL (or other RTL) listing. If an item is not rated for outdoor use, then you have violated its listing by using it outdoors (damp or wet locations). This is a direct violation of the electrical code. Liability will rest solely on you, the user, not the manufacturer or distributor or any one else should there be an incident involving that fixture. And, it is not just the fixture but also the cords and plugs and receptacles that need to be UL listed for damp or wet locations. Sure it will cost more but that is the price of doing outdoor lighting that conforms to electrical safety standards and codes. Be safe. Water and electricity are a bad combination. Steve Vanciel ETCP Entertainment Electrician Lighting Crew Chief, WDW Studios, Fantasmic! show On 2/1/07, Steve Shelley wrote: > > For short term outdoor situations, I've found that S4 pars are usually ok, > but I too worry about the bulb + rain issue. If given the option, I will > usually use a PAR 64 can with a sealed-beam PAR bulb (and then worry only > about the internal wiring + rain). > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1476.205.215.253.244.1171266648.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:50:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. From: "Bill Nelson" > Headlight Design > Through a unique monocle design, the projector beam Xenon headlights illuminate > apexes of tight hairpins, and match the spectral wavelength where human eyes are > the most sensitive. The lamps emit mostly green light? That is where the eye is most sensitive. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1480.205.215.253.244.1171266801.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:53:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. From: "Bill Nelson" > US state legislatures have had some foolish ideas. The best one of which I have > heard was one state, Texas, I think, which solemnly legislated that PI was equal to > 3. Couldn't be Texas. The only pi that Texans have heard about is Mother's Apple Pi. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:55:58 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Bill Nelson wrote: > The lamps emit mostly green light? That is where the eye is most sensitive. Probably. Most 'cool' flourescents are also very heavy in the green spectrum. C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1486.205.215.253.244.1171267101.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. From: "Bill Nelson" > I note that no one seems to have commented on the point I made about CFs not > strobing.... I suspect that they do strobe, to some extent. But since the phosphors that produce the light have a fair amount of persistance, the variation would be slight. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Bill Nelson wrote: > I suspect that they do strobe, to some extent. But since the phosphors that produce > the light have a fair amount of persistance, the variation would be slight. My point was that the ballasts are mostly high frequency (above audibility) so that the CFs would neither hum, buzz nor strobe. I was going to also point out the matter of persistence but thought it might be too contentious for some on this list ;-) C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1493.205.215.253.244.1171267656.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:07:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Lumber From: "Bill Nelson" > As the USA is probably the last country in the world to use imperial > measurement, the timber you have are cut in nominal sizes. 8ft x 4ft > is actually 2440mm by 1220mm, 1 inch is actually cut to 20mm so for > example 2in by 1in is really 40mm by 20mm. I suppose you could get > actual size but that would be more expensive as it would only be > useful for the USA. Actually, if that is so, then the 1x2 is slightly larger in cross section than by the old measurements. 20/25.4 is 78.7%. The old 3/4" is only 75%. 8 feet is 2438.4 mm. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1137 ******************************