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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1140

 1. More Behind the Scenes stuff
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 2. Re: Back again
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 3. Re: big class
    by Charlie Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
 4. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
 5. Re: CAD Standard
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
 6. Re: Lumber
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 7. Re: big class
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 8. Re: big class
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 9. Re: Vexing Vectorworks
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
10. Re: ACad problem
    by "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
11. Re: Lumber
    by Jason Haislet <jasonhaislet [at] yahoo.com>
12. Re: Lumber
    by KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
13. Re: Lumber
    by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
14. Welders
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
15. Re: Welders
    by KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
16. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by "dale" <dalecyr [at] hotmail.com>
17. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by "David B. Nelson" <d.b.nelson [at] comcast.net>
18. Re: ACad problem
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
19. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by kh97925 [at] aol.com
20. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
21. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
22. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
23. Re: big class
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
24. Re: Vexing Vectorworks
    by kh97925 [at] aol.com
25. Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
26. Re: Cell phones on a call & in your shop
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
27. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else!
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
28. Re: big class
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
29. Re: big class
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
30. Re: big class
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
31. Re: Audio Possibilities
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
32. Freedom Theatre in Palistine
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
33. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by "Chris Rovers" <crovers [at] gmail.com>
34. Re: Welding classes
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
35. Re: big class
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
36. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
37. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
38. Re: Welding classes
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
39. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
40. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
41. Re: CAD Standard
    by "Mitch Hefter" <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
42. RE. Lumber
    by Shell Dalzell <sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com>
43. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else!
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
44. Craftsman question
    by "Steven Hood" <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
45. Re: Craftsman question
    by Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
46. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
47. Re: Craftsman question
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
48. Re: CAD Standard
    by John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
49. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
50. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
51. Re: Craftsman question
    by Kyler Glaze <kyler [at] kylerglaze.com>
52. Re: Vexing Vectorworks
    by Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
53. Re: Welders
    by Josh Ratty <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
54. Re: Welder Suggestions
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
55. new pyro product
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
56. Re: CAD Standard
    by Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com>
57. Re: CAD Standard
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
58. Re: new pyro product
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
59. Re: new pyro product
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
60. Re: new pyro product
    by "Nathan Kahn" <nathan.kahn [at] gmail.com>
61. Re: new pyro product
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
62. Re: new pyro product
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
63. Re: Big Class
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
64. Re: new pyro product
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
65. Re: new pyro product
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:23:59 -0500
Subject: More Behind the Scenes stuff
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1F709FF.1991F%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42370629 [at] prxy.net>

Here's another press release that I thought you might be interested in.
Please note that there are now only 4 openings left for the Raffle as I.
Weiss and I have already bought in.  Obviously, I feel pretty strongly abou=
t
this stuff which is why I keep bringing it up in this forum.  If you feel
this is inappropriate, however, please let me know.
Thanks
Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride.
July 29 - August 6, 2007.  <www.LRLR.org>





<
Behind the Scenes Launches Challenge Grant Program
Companies Challenged To Help Double Donations By Initiating Challenge Grant
During USITT And The Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Ride
=20
February 9, 2007, New York, NY =AD The ESTA Foundation=B9s Behind The Scenes
(www.estafoundation.org/bts.htm) announces The Challenge Grant Program, an
opportunity for donors to see contributions double in value while providing
help to peers in their time of need. Established challenge grant slots are
currently available for the Behind the Scenes / Long Reach Long Riders 2007
USITT Raffle, March 15 =AD 17 in Phoenix, Arizona (six openings) and The Long
Reach Long Riders 2007 New England Charity Ride, July 29 =AD August 6 (two
openings).=20
=20
=B3Our industry=B9s history is full of strong partnerships that have led to
technological advances, artistic reaches, and goals we continually strive t=
o
achieve,=B2 says Behind the Scenes committee chair Rick Rudolph of the new
initiative. =B3Many of these partnerships have also led to lasting friendship=
s
that are at the foundation of our industry. We hope that the relationships
and partners we work with today will help us create some solid ground for
what could be an uncertain future for our colleagues when they most need
it.=B2=20
=20
Sponsorship of these challenges gives companies or individuals the
opportunity to show their support of their colleagues while offering a
unique opportunity to be a recognized voice in our industry as a leading
supporter of this worthwhile endeavor. When a company or individual agrees
to sponsor a challenge grant, they not only make a significant donation to
Behind the Scenes but they help double every dollar donated during that
challenge. Every challenge grant sponsored and every challenge grant met
increases the number of lives that Behind the Scenes can help put on solid
ground.
=20
Currently Behind the Scenes has sponsorship openings for four USITT Raffle
Challenge grants at $5,000 each and two sponsorship openings for the Long
Reach Long Riders at $10,000 each.
=20
Of course, if a challenge grant is not an option, donations and corporate
giving campaigns are always welcome.
=20
Behind the Scenes provides financial assistance to entertainment technology
professionals who are seriously ill or injured. Funds may be used for
medical expenses, funeral expenses, or basic living expenses such as
mortgage, rent, utilities, food, transportation, and childcare. Funds are
available to anyone who has worked at least five years full time in the
entertainment technology industry=8Bwhether they're on the road or in a renta=
l
shop; they're a TD or the head of R&D; they work in a theatre or on a cruis=
e
ship.
=20
Behind the Scenes is an initiative of The ESTA Foundation to provide
industry members with financial support when they are seriously ill or
injured. For more information about Behind the Scenes, to donate, or to
apply for a grant, visit www.estafoundation.org/bts.htm
<http://www.estafoundation.org/bts.htm> .

For more information please contact:

Lori Rubinstein   <info [at] estafoundation.org>
Bill Sapsis       <Bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
<



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:31:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Back again
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1F70BD5.19924%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42371164 [at] prxy.net>

Ah, you know me all too well, Steve.


On 2/12/07 10:37 PM, "Steve Shelley" <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> C'mon bill. You can tell us. The leather vest again, right?
> 
> 
> On 2/12/07 10:32 PM, "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> What's all this talk about me in a dress???  I'll have you know that I was
>> working and I never dress up when I'm working.  Especially when it's
>> outdoors and the weather isn't co-operating.  :-)
>> 
>> Bill S.
>> ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
>> ETCP Council Member
>> www.sapsis-rigging.com
>> 800.727.7471
>> 267.278.4561 mobile



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Message-ID: <45D1B1AA.3070108 [at] charliefraser.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:40:10 -0500
From: Charlie Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com>
Subject: Re: big class
References: <list-42359522 [at] prxy.net> <list-42360477 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42360477 [at] prxy.net>

I have a question. From what I am hearing on the list there is a demand 
for good instructional material. The educational technologist in me has 
to ask has anyone thought about authoring courseware for stage lighting? 
Just curious.

Charlie


Charlie Richmond wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:
>
>> I taught my son about Wikipedia this weekend. Couldn't  have given him a
>> better "toy" for any price. Between the internet and the public  
>> library, there's
>> nothing we can't learn!
>
> I'm a huge fan of Wikipedia and have edited many articles there, but 
> you will find it to be somewhat controversial on this list ;-)
>
> Hey!  try looking up Compact Flourescent ;-)
>
> C
>
>


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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:14:59 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBIELCFCAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42351728 [at] prxy.net>

Take a look at buildding to building WiFi bridges.  These access points use
oni-directional antena for both sending and receiving, allowing them to cut
through crowded areas.

Obviously from their you can use any kind of streaming audio to distribute
your audio.

  _____

Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 617-527-0667
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of dale cyr
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> seeking the wisdom of the list...
>
> an upcoming gig requires a few widely dispersed (one or two city blocks
> spacing)
> audio systems to "broadcast" a signal from a central point.
>
> think 'downtown event covering 5 or 6 square city blocks'.
>
> each sound system will be a complete system.
>
> how can i reliably distribute an audio signal from a central source,
> to all other points, in real time?
>
> 2.4 gig (WiFi) is very crowded in this area.
> using cable is problematic (crossing streets, etc).
>
> what have you done?
> using what (specifically) equipment?
> what is the "best practice"?
>
> what questions do you have?
>
> dale cyr
> Spokane Wa.
>
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:57:37 -0500
Subject: Re: CAD Standard
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1F72E01.C6E1%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42372039 [at] prxy.net>

Hello chris;

I was involved in the construction of "RP-2, Recommended Practice for
Theatrical Lighting Design Graphics"
(http://www.usitt.org/bookstore/downloads/RP-2%20%202006.pdf) which was
approved in the summer of 2006. There are other standards and downloads
available from the usitt website:
http://www.usitt.org/bookstore/go.php?to=ItemList&category=Downloads

From your signature it appears that your CAD drafting standard request is
for the area of scenic design and/or technical direction. Checking Robert
gardiner's page that provides a drafting summary
(http://www2.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign/crslib/drft_2/grcon1.htm) also shows
several links:

A downloadable pdf titled Scenic Design and Technical Production Graphic
Standard.pdf  
(http://www2.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign/crslib/drft_2/usitt92.pdf) was
released in 1992 and revised in 1996. A quick examination shows it to review
the basic drafting conventions.

The candian institute of theatre technology's Theatre Drafting and
Information Exchange Standards for CAD.pdf,
(http://www2.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign/crslib/drft_2/cittstd.pdf)

and the Association of British Theatre Technicians Standards for Theatre
Draughting.pdf 
(http://www2.arts.ubc.ca/TheatreDesign/crslib/drft_2/abttstd.pdf)

are both evolving documents, and are both very helpful. They assume a
"flat-drafting" working procedure on the computer.

Finally, my own personal favorite for drafting reference is patricia
woodbridge's excellent "Designer Drafting for the Entertainment World"
{http://www.amazon.com/Designer-Drafting-Entertainment-Patricia-Woodbridge/d
p/0240804244). I have not met ms. Woodbridge, but she shows clear and
concise methodology for just about every scenic and many technical angles
and situations. Future standards committees would be well served to examine
the examples shown in this book.

Hth,

shelley


On 2/12/07 11:50 PM, "Chris Wych" <setmonkey13 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'm sure this has been brought up before but I couldn't find anything
> on the USITT site.  Is there a CAD standard approved by USITT?  I know
> there is the drafting standard for hand drafting but am curious on
> what conventions I should be following when using AutoCAD.
> 
> Thanks a bunch.

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Subject: RE: Lumber
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:24:05 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07635384 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42363928 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> This is right. To get a nominal 2" x 1", you start off with=20
> real 2" x 1" rough sawn, and run it through the planing=20
> machine to take off the hairy bits.

I don't know about anyone else, but there's something vaguely menacing
about the phrase "take off the hairy bits"...

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Subject: RE: big class
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:32:02 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0763539D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42383258 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I have a question. From what I am hearing on the list there=20
> is a demand for good instructional material. The educational=20
> technologist in me has to ask has anyone thought about=20
> authoring courseware for stage lighting?=20
> Just curious.

Sure I've thought about it.  I think I've got 12 minutes this weekend...
:P

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: big class
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:37:54 -0500
Message-ID: <001a01c74f7c$8c00a520$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-42383258 [at] prxy.net>


> has anyone thought about authoring courseware for 
> stage lighting?

Judy and I are working on the website she originally suggested.  Any
suggestions for content will be gratefully appreciated.

We'll keep the list posted.


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070213065530.028a5fb8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:16:17 -0800
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks
In-Reply-To: <list-42366856 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42366856 [at] prxy.net>

I think it is a misuse of CAD to treat it as a fancy pencil. You 
don't use a pneumatic staple gun as a hammer to drive nails. You do 
have to adapt your thinking to the new paradigm.  CAD has some great 
advantages over hand-drafting and accuracy is one of them. So, if the 
line is suppose to touch--it ought to! If snaps are getting in your 
way then you need to learn how to properly use them. It's only 
"tyranny" to those who do not, or cannot take the time to master the 
new technologies.

Yes, the TD is supposed to make the working drawings, which are often 
completely separate from the designer's drawings. But as more and 
more designers adopt CAD, the transfer of information becomes faster 
and easier if both the designer and TD are working to the same level 
of accuracy. What advantage is there to forcing the TD to redraw a 
complex designer's drawing to produce a working drawing? If the 
information already exists why repeat the exercise? That sort of 
sloppiness simply makes the process harder and that is not the way to 
collaborate. "Good enough." Hmmmm . . . never been part of my 
vocabulary. "The best I can do" is the standard I work to.

 >My lines are rarely "properly" joined and may not meet
 >when viewed at a high enough screen magnification. As a previous poster
 >mentioned, they meet _just fine_ on a paper printout, which is the level
 >of sophistication I need, and is the _same_ level of sophistication I
 >would get with a quality hand drafting. It is "good enough".

> >I *DO* look at this as another example of the tyranny of technology.
> >CAD, like other technologies, is supposed to make drafting faster and
> >easier, and so save us time. Instead, it _seems_ we have merely raised
> >the bar on what is acceptable, even when a higher bar isn't needed. But
> >because we CAN, we now MUST!

Loren "Grits" Schreiber
Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!"
Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes 
http://www.lrlr.org


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Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702130743t3ec21aa2y342dd7726ab63a27 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:43:54 -0600
From: "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
Cc: mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com (Mike Brubaker)
Subject: Re: ACad problem

Mike Brubaker <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>wrote:

<<Yep, I've got a pretty good idea of what it is...oh, you want to
know?............................
Options:
1.  Have the printer download and install the enabler.
2.  Bind the xref (if you're using one) and explode it)
3.  Plot the file as a PDF or DWF.

That help?................................>>

Mike,

Yes, that helps a lot, thanks. As for the options:
I'm working on item 1.

Item 2, I don't have a clue what xref is or can do.  What is it and
why would I use it?  Is binding the xref something kinky?  :-)

Item 3.  I plot in PDF a lot but the printer says he can't guarentee
scale from a PDF.  As for DWF, I am perplexed.  My ACad 2002 at home
offers DWF as one of the save options, but ACad 2006 at the office
does not.  It offers 2 versions of (*.dwg),   Drawing standards
(*.dws), template (*.dwt), and 3 versions of DXF (*.dfx) but not any
options DWF.

-- 
Michael

Michael Powers
Director of Operations
Central Lighting & Equipment
1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150
West Des Moines Iowa 50265
515-277-4190   877-977-4190
Fax  515-277-2295
515-557-0178  cell

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:02:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Haislet <jasonhaislet [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lumber
In-Reply-To: <list-42385623 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <378040.97858.qm [at] web50008.mail.yahoo.com>

Here is how I remember lumber become the size it was.

   A long long time ago milling companies produced 2
x4 at 2 inches by 4 inches, with rough edges. 
Craftsmen planned the edges themselves.  Later the
companies started planing the lumber themselves (not
sure why).  A 2x4 became 1.5" by 3.5" (1/4 inch on
each side).  But it appears to me that lumber is
getting even less than 1.5" x 3.5".  I have come
across some lumber that is 1 3/8" or 1 1/4" by 3 3/8"
or 3 1/4".  This has even been true with 1x4.  Makes
it difficult to built flats correctly, or even to
correct measurements.  Luaun and ply is becaming
unsquare, and not 4x8 - mostly smaller.  

    Image if you would try to build a double sided
hollywood flat that needs to be 4" thick.  Can't just
grab 1x4 and two sheets of luaun (luaun being less
that 1/4" thick).  You need to measure the thickness
of both sheets of luaun, subtract that from the 4". 
Next you need to ripp down 1x6 to the measurement
remaing from the 4".  A lot more time.  Multiply that
time over the course of a build.  

    Or how about this.  A carpenter builds the flat
without making the proper modifications.  Image how
the set diminsion would turn out?  

    Even if lumber is milled to 22mm or whatever it
was, it should stay that diminsion, and not change so
much.  You never know what quality lumber your going
to get.
 

Jason Haislet, Carpenter
(937)830-1116
Kettering, Ohio


 
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From: KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lumber
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:05:30 -0500

my experience with Luan is that it is 48" wide by 96 and  
1/8"  (approx) long  while Plywood is 96" x 48"


Keith L Arsenault
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On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Jason Haislet wrote:

Luaun and ply is becaming
unsquare, and not 4x8 - mostly smaller.


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:06:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Lumber
From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C1F74C52.11E57%deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42388437 [at] prxy.net>

I have been to lumber mills where the rough
cut is 2" x 4".  This too may have changed
since I was there.

Steve

> From: Jason Haislet <jasonhaislet [at] yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:02:28 -0800 (PST)
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Lumber
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Here is how I remember lumber become the size it was.
> 
> A long long time ago milling companies produced 2
> x4 at 2 inches by 4 inches, with rough edges.
> Craftsmen planned the edges themselves.  Later the
> companies started planing the lumber themselves (not
> sure why).  A 2x4 became 1.5" by 3.5" (1/4 inch on
> each side).  But it appears to me that lumber is
> getting even less than 1.5" x 3.5".  I have come
> across some lumber that is 1 3/8" or 1 1/4" by 3 3/8"
> or 3 1/4".  This has even been true with 1x4.  Makes
> it difficult to built flats correctly, or even to
> correct measurements.  Luaun and ply is becaming
> unsquare, and not 4x8 - mostly smaller.
> 
> Image if you would try to build a double sided
> hollywood flat that needs to be 4" thick.  Can't just
> grab 1x4 and two sheets of luaun (luaun being less
> that 1/4" thick).  You need to measure the thickness
> of both sheets of luaun, subtract that from the 4".
> Next you need to ripp down 1x6 to the measurement
> remaing from the 4".  A lot more time.  Multiply that
> time over the course of a build.
> 
> Or how about this.  A carpenter builds the flat
> without making the proper modifications.  Image how
> the set diminsion would turn out?
> 
> Even if lumber is milled to 22mm or whatever it
> was, it should stay that diminsion, and not change so
> much.  You never know what quality lumber your going
> to get.
> 
> 
> Jason Haislet, Carpenter
> (937)830-1116
> Kettering, Ohio
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:08:52 -0500
Subject: Welders
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <C1F74CC4.4137%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

We have an L-Tec Migmaster 250 welder here (Green!), now sold under the
brand Esab (Yellow!).  It works well for us, where we use it solely for Mig
welding steel. It's comparable to the Millermatic units I used in another
life.  It can take a spool gun, or hook up to a spot welder.  We have a
small Miller unit for Tig and stick welding, and it has all it can handle to
do Aluminum.  Check the duty cycle on any unit you want to purchase, and go
for as high a number as you can afford.  Working with an
underpowered/underrated welder is no fun.  Stuart and Josh's advice is well
heeded, both about welding aluminum and going as fast and hot as you and
your machine are capable.

Another thing to note about aluminum is that the melting point of the oxide
is higher than the metal, so you can end up with a molten pool under an
unmelted skin leaving a really pretty bead that isn't welded at all.  See
Stuart's advice about cleaning yet again.

And while charred on the outside and raw on the inside may not be that great
for the mother-in-law's pork, it's a fine way to enjoy tuna on the grill...

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department

Eagerly awaiting the return of outdoor BBQ


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From: KEITH ARSENAULT <iaeg [at] aol.com>
Subject: Re: Welders
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:16:56 -0500

here in Tampa, , outdoor BBQ hasn't left, ,

hee hee


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On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Dougherty, Jim wrote:

Eagerly awaiting the return of outdoor BBQ


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Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV7B373FA277C9DCA4F4DEDAB900 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "dale" <dalecyr [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:19:31 -0800
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAF4q/KmPldNMgbzDD+Bmsi3CgAAAEAAAAGVEZvjE5LtOlvGoOcZr9GUBAAAAAA== [at] hotmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42383967 [at] prxy.net>

yea, we thought of that...

the distances involved would require multiple hops,
meaning gaining access to buildings along the way,
getting power in the right place,
and figuring out how to mount outside antennas.

this particular area of downtown is SATURATED with WiFi.
(Spokane provides free WiFi access in the entire downtown area.)

and then we still hafta buy a bunch of e-net to audio converters.

we spose this is all possible... but we're looking for better options.

any more ideas?


dale

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steven
> Santos
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Take a look at buildding to building WiFi bridges.  These access points
> use
> oni-directional antena for both sending and receiving, allowing them to
> cut
> through crowded areas.
> 
> Obviously from their you can use any kind of streaming audio to distribute
> your audio.
> 
>   _____
> 
> Steven Santos


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From: "David B. Nelson" <d.b.nelson [at] comcast.net>
References: <list-42383967 [at] prxy.net> <list-42388979 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:50:14 -0500
Message-ID: <01cb01c74f8f$093e3d60$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603>
In-Reply-To: <list-42388979 [at] prxy.net>

> any more ideas?

Well, if running any sort of cable is out of the question, and using
unlicensed RF (e.g. WiFi) is out of the question, that leaves licensed RF
(e.g. studio-to-transmitter links).  That's expensive stuff.  I can't think
of any cheap and easy way to solve your problem, given the constraints.

Regards,

Dave Nelson

Technical Director
Adams Memorial Opera House
Derry, NH, USA




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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: ACad problem
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:46:49 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAA1FlSKw8HVkCHKM5OKc9R6QEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
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>Item 2, I don't have a clue what xref is or can do.  What is it and
>why would I use it?  Is binding the xref something kinky?  :-)

An xref is an "External Reference". It can be a another drawing file, a
picture, etc. The file itself is not contained in your drawing, but is
loaded into your drawing "on demand". For example - If you want to draw =
on
top of an architect's plan, you insert their drawing as an xref into =
your
drawing. If the xref'd drawing changes, it also changes in your drawing.
This helps keep drawing file sizes down to a manageable size. There are =
many
other considerations (and manipulations - like freezing xref layers, =
etc.)
to take into account when using xrefs, but that's the general idea.

"Binding" an xref essentially permanently inserts/attaches itself to =
your
drawing (as if it were a block or other entity) and it cannot be updated
unless it gets "unbound" or reinserted manually. Usually not a good idea
unless you have no other options.

>Item 3.  I plot in PDF a lot but the printer says he can't guarentee
>scale from a PDF.  As for DWF, I am perplexed.  My ACad 2002 at home
>offers DWF as one of the save options, but ACad 2006 at the office
>does not.  It offers 2 versions of (*.dwg),   Drawing standards
>(*.dws), template (*.dwt), and 3 versions of DXF (*.dfx) but not any
>options DWF.

DWF is a print/plot and/or export function, not a file/save function.

HTH.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Syracuse, NY
www.scheuconsulting.com


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Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:48:22 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-42389972 [at] prxy.net>
From: kh97925 [at] aol.com
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Do the systems have to be synchronized?  Seems you would be better 
served having local copies of the audio program at each location & just 
trigger them remotely.  Put a (small/cheap) PC w/media player at each 
location & use wireless or a modem to control the PC(s) local playback 
with one of the PC remote control programs.  If you're trying to send 
live announcer-type info that's another matter.  There are some 
ENG-type products that will let you convert cellphone or landline calls 
into line-level signals for recording/broadcast.

http://www.tecnec.com/ProdList.asp?cat=INTERFACE&subcat=AUDINT&prodClass=TELEPHONE&search=0&off=

-----Original Message-----
From: d.b.nelson [at] comcast.net
To: stagecraft [at] theatrical.net
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> any more ideas?

Well, if running any sort of cable is out of the question, and using
unlicensed RF (e.g. WiFi) is out of the question, that leaves licensed 
RF
(e.g. studio-to-transmitter links).  That's expensive stuff.  I can't 
think
of any cheap and easy way to solve your problem, given the constraints.

Regards,

Dave Nelson

Technical Director
Adams Memorial Opera House
Derry, NH, USA




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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:53:37 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBIEMAFCAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42389972 [at] prxy.net>

They could also use something like Verizon highspeed wireless and traverse
the cellphone network, but I wouldn't want to bet my reputation on that.

  _____

Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 617-527-0667
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com <http://www.SimplyCircus.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of David B.
> Nelson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > any more ideas?
>
> Well, if running any sort of cable is out of the question, and using
> unlicensed RF (e.g. WiFi) is out of the question, that leaves licensed RF
> (e.g. studio-to-transmitter links).  That's expensive stuff.  I
> can't think
> of any cheap and easy way to solve your problem, given the constraints.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Nelson
>
> Technical Director
> Adams Memorial Opera House
> Derry, NH, USA
>
>
>
>
>


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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:53:36 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBGEMAFCAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42388979 [at] prxy.net>

You have hops of more than 5 miles for this?

Can you get access to one rooftop that has line-of-sight to all locations
(or via 2 rooftops?)

If so, than use Point-To-Point WiFi.  Almost 5 years ago now I was able to
connect the networks of two buildings over a mile apart in downtown Boston,
with both buildings in areas with WiFi everywhere.  Because the antenna used
in PTP WiFi transmit and receive in only one direction, you are mostly
immune to the surounding WiFi signals (and yes, its still operating today).

As for the ethernet to audio, use any old laptop for this.

  _____

Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 617-527-0667
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of dale
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:20 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> yea, we thought of that...
>
> the distances involved would require multiple hops,
> meaning gaining access to buildings along the way,
> getting power in the right place,
> and figuring out how to mount outside antennas.
>
> this particular area of downtown is SATURATED with WiFi.
> (Spokane provides free WiFi access in the entire downtown area.)
>
> and then we still hafta buy a bunch of e-net to audio converters.
>
> we spose this is all possible... but we're looking for better options.
>
> any more ideas?
>
>
> dale
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steven
> > Santos
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Take a look at buildding to building WiFi bridges.  These access points
> > use
> > oni-directional antena for both sending and receiving, allowing them to
> > cut
> > through crowded areas.
> >
> > Obviously from their you can use any kind of streaming audio to
> distribute
> > your audio.
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > Steven Santos
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:06:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

What are the distances?  Would wireless microphones reach?

There is the possibility of getting a bunch of wireless mike sets. You only use one
of the microphones and set a receiver at each location to that mike's frequency. You
can mount the antenna/receivers so that they all have a clear shot to the mike
location.

Bill


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:13:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: big class
In-Reply-To: <list-42383258 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <102008.19389.qm [at] web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Charlie Fraser <charlie [at] charliefraser.com> wrote:
> I have a question. From what I am hearing on the
> list there is a demand 
> for good instructional material. The educational
> technologist in me has 
> to ask has anyone thought about authoring courseware
> for stage lighting? 
> Just curious.

There is a DVD series available, but it is geared more
towards high school level. The web page is
www.interactiveeducationalvideo.com. I have no
affiliation with this company, though I have spoken
with them and viewed their products.
Personally, I have some issues with how they present
some information and would rather use my own
presentations when possible. As a supplement or in a
situation of no knowledgeable instructor being
available, they would be useful.

Mike Heinicke

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:29:23 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu
To: stagecraft [at] theatrical.net
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks

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more designers adopt CAD, the transfer of information becomes faster=20
and easier if both the designer and TD are working to the same level of=20
accuracy. What advantage is there to forcing the TD to redraw a complex=20
designer's drawing to produce a working drawing?...

Depends on how familiar the designer is with the space they're=20
designing for.  The TD at a venue is probably a LOT more familiar with=20
things like how big the loading dock doors are, how big his shop doors=20
are & the like to determine the construction details.  If the designer=20
isn't given an accurate, to-scale floorplan of the theatre to start=20
with, including all the height and other clearance issues, they can't=20
be expected to produce detailed, buildable drawings.  They (the=20
designer) probably isn't given a detailed inventory of the shop tools &=20
skillsets of the staff.  Do you do wood framing with standard=20
hand-tools, do you have welding capabilities?  What to have in the way=20
of leftover scenery from past shows that you could canabilize to make=20
work?The designer isn't likely to care about those details.

It's not that different from the fact that costume designers don't=20
create detailed patterns for the costumes they design.
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:11:57
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems

>what have you done?
>using what (specifically) equipment?
>what is the "best practice"?


Well, speed of sound divided by distance will give you your delay.  Do you
expect a constant coverage from one system to the next, covering teh entire
five or six blocks?  Realize, of course, that the distance between the two
will necessitate some delay from one to the next.
So, from the most expensive to the least:
Microwave.  Great if you can afford it.  One central tx point where the mix
takes place, line of site transfer of info to rxvrs at the varios
amplification points.
Telephone. The mother of all audio distribution.  600 ohm balanced audio
was designed after the two-wire telephone system.  The transformers and DA
should be available for rental, but if you're going to do this alot, buy 'em.
FM.  Get with the PTB and find a radio freq that you can use for a
temporary setup, and get the antenna and transmitter setup at the mix
position.  Reg'lar ole AM/FM rxvr to de-mod the signal, and you have the
added feature of having a mobile rxvr/demod/amplifications system in your
driveway.
Lotsa Cable.  This si pretty easily done.  Buy spools of really good mic
cable (Belden 8402?) and just wind the stuff to where it needs to go, and
cut and make ends at each location.  Wind it up at the end and make 100'
bundles on the out, (over/under, please) and sell the 100' bundles for what
you bought the whole spool for.
I've done each of these, and they all have their benefits and issues.  The
environment you're doing it in will dictate your preference as much as your
budget will.  As with *any* technical question, one that doesn't include
budget is endless in answers.  Anything, including some of the laws of
physics, will bend under the weight of enough hundred dollar bills stacked
up on it.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:19:31
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Cell phones on a call & in your shop

>Never during a work call. The one possible execption would be if a 
>department had a no-show and the Dept. Head is calling in for a 
>replacement and/or awaiting the BA's return call. Family emergencies, 
>such as Kristi outlined, are handled on a case-by-case basis, but the 
>operative word here is "emergency."

If someone that knows me and knows I am on the job calls me on the job, I
assume that it is an emergency.  If it isn't, it soon will be.  Like, as
soon as I am off an can get my hands on them.
Never underestimate the power of the cell as a two-way communications
device on the job.
"IS IT THERE?"
"WHAT"
"IS IT THERE?"
"I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
*ring...ring*
"Hello?"
"Is it there?"
"Oh, yeah"
"Thanks, see you up here, then."

I *always* look to see who it is, as it may be my steward trying to find
me, my BA trying to find my steward, or simply a brothrer in the basement
requesting that someone upstairs close the freight elevator so he can get
it without coming all the way back up.
Work related, fine.  Emergency calls, fine.  Anything else is on break, or
after work.  If the stward has to make it 'afterwork' for someone, also
fine.  I'd rather be doing his work with him off the call than doing his
work while he's on a call.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070213112722.00ca5768 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:27:22
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else!

>Quite a bit after. The first direct customer dialed call was in 1951.

"Quite a bit?"  If you're a hundred and fifteen years old, five or six
years is 'just', not quite a bit.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:29:45
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: big class

>I taught my son about Wikipedia this weekend.

Hopefully, included in the lesson was that some of the information is
provided by those that are as reliable as Charlie Richmond, while other
info is provided by those with something to sell, an axe to grind, or just
too much spare time (and not enought grey matter) to do anything useful.
Wiki *is* the greatest thing I've ever found, but the occasional grain of
salt is required.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-42383258 [at] prxy.net> <list-42385820 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: big class
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:56:48 -0700
Message-ID: <01fc01c74fa0$bd569c00$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-42385820 [at] prxy.net>

Yes. I have not only thought about it but developed with several confreres
and even developed a company to teach it .... in California ....egads was
that twenty years ago .... oh golly. Dr. Doom Dr. Harvey Sweet and myself.
Who knew that we would be so ahead of the times, always, and again and
again. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:32 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: big class

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> I have a question. From what I am hearing on the list there 
> is a demand for good instructional material. The educational 
> technologist in me has to ask has anyone thought about 
> authoring courseware for stage lighting? 
> Just curious.

Sure I've thought about it.  I think I've got 12 minutes this weekend...
:P


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Subject: RE: big class
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:02:30 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A076F7A41 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42393866 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Wiki *is* the greatest thing I've ever found

Ranking even above this list?  Wow...that's praise.
=20
> but the occasional grain of salt is required.

Much like this list...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070213114433.00be5880 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:44:33
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Audio Possibilities

>Deal, only I'll do you one better and take you to the City Market in
Luling...

Unless something drastic has happened in Lockhart, Kreuze's kicks their
rump roast.  I'm not a giant fan of the new place, but the last time I was
there at least the food was the same.  The old place, OTOH... prolly gone
by now.
I'd look at a digital console.  The new Digidesign DShow Icon and Venue
will both do memory, and let you use Digidesigns plugins right on the
control sureface.  Given budget, situation, and hoped-for results, we could
design something a bit cheaper, but we're working without a lot of
parameters here.
I've done a design for a one-woman act that had her having conversations
with three different 'hers' (three different effects for the other 'hers')
and had to switch from one to the other depending on which effects go where
when, you could have one aux dedicated to all of the effects, and just
bring up the effects return that you wanted to hear.
I still can't believe that there aren't two sound engineers within
cat-swingin' distance of your shop that can solve this.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: Freedom Theatre in Palistine
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:28:47 -0500
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBEEMGFCAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42392647 [at] prxy.net>

Does anyone know anything about The Freedom Theatre in Palistine
www.thefreedomtheatre.org
or www.arna.info?

Any information would be helpful

  _____

Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 617-527-0667
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com


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Message-ID: <d9c3d9010702131131yc5105d6ycd688c2864d2750c [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:31:13 -0500
From: "Chris Rovers" <crovers [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <list-42366189 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42351753 [at] prxy.net> <list-42365902 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-42366189 [at] prxy.net>

> While we're discussing welding, how 'bout cluing some of us in to the
> differences in equipment and techniques between steel and aluminum?
> I've never tried Al before, and was wondering what it'd take for me to
> be able to give it a whirl...

And if I can hijack the thread a touch, too, is there a 'welding for
dummies' book out there?  I want to learn to weld, but I don't see any
courses available in my area, beyond the 'become a professional
welder' ilk, which isn't what I want.   IS this something one can
learn from a book?  I haven't welded since Junior High, where I got
two days with an arc welder to do some stuff.

Thanks!
-cdr

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Message-ID: <2056.208.51.52.109.1171395341.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-42395013 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42351753 [at] prxy.net> <list-42365902 [at] prxy.net> 
    <list-42366189 [at] prxy.net> <list-42395013 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:35:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Welding classes
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> And if I can hijack the thread a touch, too, is there a 'welding for
> dummies' book out there?  I want to learn to weld, but I don't see any
> courses available in my area, beyond the 'become a professional
> welder' ilk, which isn't what I want.   IS this something one can
> learn from a book?  I haven't welded since Junior High, where I got
> two days with an arc welder to do some stuff.

Are there any community colleges in your area? They usually have welding classes.

Bill


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:33:33 GMT
Subject: Re: big class
Message-Id: <20070213.113433.15672.1180890 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

Philosophically, I appreciate (and use) Wiki, but I also have the =

entire Encyclopedia Britannica on my computer, and I cross-reference =

everything that appears in both. I buy every years Britannica on DVD =

(~$25) complete with its 100,000+ articles, 20,000+ images and =

illustrations, 1,000+ video and audio clips, and 166,000+ web links.
/s/ Richard
__________________________
>I taught my son about Wikipedia this weekend.

Hopefully, included in the lesson was that some of the information is
provided by those that are as reliable as Charlie Richmond, while =

other info is provided by those with something to sell, an axe to =

grind, or just too much spare time (and not enought grey matter) to =

do anything useful. Wiki *is* the greatest thing I've ever found, but =

the occasional grain of salt is required.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ
 


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Subject: RE: Welder Suggestions
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:37:30 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A076F7A9B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42395013 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> IS this something one can
> learn from a book?  I haven't welded since Junior High, where=20
> I got two days with an arc welder to do some stuff.

Hmmm...dunno if I'd ever want to learn welding from a book if I were
starting from scratch.  There are a lot of basics regarding "touch" and
"feel" and "speed" which are difficult if not impossible to convey in
written form.

If you've got a good welding supply store around, you might give them a
holler and see if there's any introductory tutoring you can worm your
way into...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:39:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <list-42395013 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <754997.47403.qm [at] web82210.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Chris Rovers <crovers [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> And if I can hijack the thread a touch, too, is
> there a 'welding for
> dummies' book out there?  I want to learn to weld,
> but I don't see any
> courses available in my area, beyond the 'become a
> professional
> welder' ilk, which isn't what I want.   IS this
> something one can
> learn from a book?  I haven't welded since Junior
> High, where I got
> two days with an arc welder to do some stuff.

"Welder's Handbook" by Richard Finch is a good one
that I like. I believe that someone mentioned seeing
it at Home Depot.
I just purchased "Monster Garage: How to Weld Damn
Near Anything" but haven't had a chance to read it
yet. According to Amazon.com, it is by Finch also. It
looks like a good book but I can't say for sure yet.
Check your local community college for welding
classes. In my area, one of the campuses has a welding
class that is apparently pretty good, though I haven't
had the time to take it yet. One thing to look for is
that here it isn't listed under welding or anything
similar. It is under "mechanical engineering tech".
Also check with welding suppliers. The supplier that I
deal with regularly offers classes on the various
welding processes.

HTH,
Mike Heinicke

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:48:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Welding classes
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1F78028.76DD%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42395147 [at] prxy.net>

Or something like a Vocational Technical school with night classes?  That's
where I learned.  You might also check with a welding equipment vendor in
your area who would either have such things or know where to look.
Steve Rees


On 2/13/07 2:35 PM, "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> And if I can hijack the thread a touch, too, is there a 'welding for
>> dummies' book out there?  I want to learn to weld, but I don't see any
>> courses available in my area, beyond the 'become a professional
>> welder' ilk, which isn't what I want.   IS this something one can
>> learn from a book?  I haven't welded since Junior High, where I got
>> two days with an arc welder to do some stuff.
> 
> Are there any community colleges in your area? They usually have welding
> classes.
> 
> Bill
> 


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:50:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
Message-Id: <20070213.115158.15672.1181022 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

I used to weld in the 70s; as a fairly risk-adverse attorney, I now =

hire Certified Welders with full insurance for anything steel that =

has to support people or anything that could fall on people. For =

decorative and non mission-critical items, I just hire someone who =

has proved to me that their work has a long service and recycle life.
/s/ Richard
_____________________
And if I can hijack the thread a touch, too, is there a 'welding for
dummies' book out there?  I want to learn to weld, but I don't see any
courses available in my area, beyond the 'become a professional
welder' ilk, which isn't what I want.   IS this something one can
learn from a book?  I haven't welded since Junior High, where I got
two days with an arc welder to do some stuff.

Thanks!
-cdr
 


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Message-ID: <7b8450b90702131153v3032e4camccc6b44cc562b3c3 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:53:40 -0800
From: Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <list-42362855 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42351753 [at] prxy.net> <list-42352982 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-42362855 [at] prxy.net>

On 2/12/07, Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> The miller 200, 210 and 250 series can all accommodate spoolguns, the
> 210 is very nice for thin aluminum if you get the pulser version.  The
> only thing I don't like about the 210 is that the double tank rack makes
> it very wide-assed, if they staggered the tanks a bit it would be easier
>   to snake through the shop.  Michael is correct, for swapping between
> metals on the 210, just set the wire feed and voltage for your new task,
> and squeeze the right trigger.  This does mean that the tip of the
> regular stinger is hot when you are welding with the spoolgun and vice
> versa, but I have never had it short on anything.  The 210 only runs the
> wire feed motor for the gun you are triggering.


Actually, the welders have separate contacters for each gun, so no
voltage is passed to the other gun...

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Message-ID: <54504.12.156.239.114.1171396598.squirrel [at] webmail2.pair.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42380692 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42380692 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:56:38 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: CAD Standard
From: "Mitch Hefter" <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
Reply-To: stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com

Chris Wych wrote:
> I'm sure this has been brought up before but I couldn't find anything
> on the USITT site.  Is there a CAD standard approved by USITT?  I know
> there is the drafting standard for hand drafting but am curious on
> what conventions I should be following when using AutoCAD.
>
> Thanks a bunch.
>
> --
> Chris Wych
> -Graduate Scenic Designer-
> -Indiana State University-

There are two - RP-2, Recommended Practice for Theatrical Lighting Design
Graphics published last year and the 1992 Graphic Standards as developed
by the USITT Education Commission.

Both are free downloads and can be found through the links on this page:
http://www.usitt.org/standards/StandardsList.html

Standards Development is under the Major Activities heading on the USITT
Home page.  Unfortunately, unless you hover over that title, you can't see
what the Major Activities are.

. . .
-------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter   USITT Engineering Vice-Commissioner
Member USITT Standards Committee

Office:  Entertainment Technology /
            a Division of the Genlyte Group
mhefter  [at]  genlytecontrols.com
+1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967  (Direct 214/ 647-7967)
+1-214/ 647-4738 Fax
http://www.etdimming.com

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References: <list-42341089 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <CD97347C-5913-466B-AE14-D8359A36A696 [at] hawaii.rr.com>
Cc: sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com (Shell Dalzell)
From: Shell Dalzell <sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: RE. Lumber
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:38:24 -1000

I am somewhat confused by the current discussion on lumber sizes.

The comments about 1.2m x 2.4m luan being slightly oversize is  
ridiculous because, in the first place luan here in HI comes 96-1/8"  
by 48" while 1.2 x 2.4 equals 47-1/4" x 94-1/2".  Hardly oversize.  I  
have no ideas why luan is 1/8" oversize but it has been very  
consistent over the last 20 years or so.

MDF on the other hand is consistently 49" x 97".  Larger than plywood  
but smaller than HPL.  ???

Plywood from the Northwest (Canada or US) however comes exactly 48" x  
96" but is only 23/32" thick.
I was told by a lumber salesman with a straight face that the "thin"  
3/4" ply was due to "metric convertions."  I did a little conversion  
of my own and consider this BS.  23/32"= .71875" = 18.25 mm.

3/4" = .75" = 19.05 mm.  The difference is obviously one of price  
gouging an additional 1/24 on every sheet of plywood.  About 4%.

Don't get me started on under sizeing of dimensional lumber.




Aloha,  Shell Dalzell
sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com



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Message-ID: <2154.208.51.52.109.1171399167.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-42393786 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42393786 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:39:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else!
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

>>Quite a bit after. The first direct customer dialed call was in 1951.
>
> "Quite a bit?"  If you're a hundred and fifteen years old, five or six
> years is 'just', not quite a bit.

Ah, yes. But our bench mark is not the invention of the telephone, it is the end of
WWII. For convenience, let's say it was 1946. That would make the time period in
question 60 years to the present. "5 or 6 years" is about 10% of that. To me, that
is "quite a bit".

Of course, such imprecise terms have different meanings to different people.

Bill



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Reply-To: <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
From: "Steven Hood" <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
Subject: Craftsman question
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:47:59 -0500
Organization: Regent University Scene Shop
Message-ID: <009601c74fb0$3f772600$0802010a [at] regent.edu>

Since the archive search function is down, I couldn't tell if this has been
covered. I was a bit our of the loop for a long time, but I'm trying to get
caught back up here... Anything exciting happen in the last year or so?

Here's my exciting thing: How many of you all have Craftsman hand tools in
your shops? Great warranty they have there, huh? D'you know, I was told
today (when trying to replace a tape measure that had been chopped by one of
my crew) that the warranty does not cover such things as chopped blades? It
used to, but... OH! by the way, the warranty was re-written last summer...
I've got an address to write to if anyone else wants to tell Sears (aka
K-Mart now) what they think of the new policy... I don't think they
realized, though, that the old warranty is still on their register tape, so
I'll be taking a chunk of that back in with the tape and getting my piece
replaced anyway... I also have a letter with the uni's lawyer making sure
it's clean enough to send in the name of the shop I run here...
 
Steven R. Hood 
Technical Director
Regent University 


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Message-ID: <7b8450b90702131314s1f6a30a7kc325eeda7c22e207 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:14:40 -0800
From: Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: stevhoo [at] regent.edu
Subject: Re: Craftsman question
In-Reply-To: <list-42397150 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42397150 [at] prxy.net>

I have to say that while I appreciate the Craftsman warranty, and I
have used it on occasion, it seems open for abuse. I feel that it is
folks who get tools that have been obviously abused replaced spoil it
for the rest of us.

Why not just take responsibility for your or your students' actions,
and buy a new one? I am the first in line to replace a tool that
broke, but will not return a tool that I broke. Getting lawyers in on
the deal just seems silly.

(Only my opinion)

On 2/13/07, Steven Hood <stevhoo [at] regent.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Since the archive search function is down, I couldn't tell if this has been
> covered. I was a bit our of the loop for a long time, but I'm trying to get
> caught back up here... Anything exciting happen in the last year or so?
>
> Here's my exciting thing: How many of you all have Craftsman hand tools in
> your shops? Great warranty they have there, huh? D'you know, I was told
> today (when trying to replace a tape measure that had been chopped by one of
> my crew) that the warranty does not cover such things as chopped blades? It
> used to, but... OH! by the way, the warranty was re-written last summer...
> I've got an address to write to if anyone else wants to tell Sears (aka
> K-Mart now) what they think of the new policy... I don't think they
> realized, though, that the old warranty is still on their register tape, so
> I'll be taking a chunk of that back in with the tape and getting my piece
> replaced anyway... I also have a letter with the uni's lawyer making sure
> it's clean enough to send in the name of the shop I run here...
>
> Steven R. Hood
> Technical Director
> Regent University
>
>

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Message-ID: <45D2324B.4050702 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:48:59 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
References: <list-42395658 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42395658 [at] prxy.net>

ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote:

> I used to weld in the 70s; as a fairly risk-adverse attorney, I now 
> hire Certified Welders with full insurance for anything steel that 
> has to support people or anything that could fall on people. For 
> decorative and non mission-critical items, I just hire someone who 
> has proved to me that their work has a long service and recycle life.

Richard, I am curious, who has certified these welders and to what 
standard?  AWS D1.1 is structural stuff, tested on 1/4" at 
minimum...Sheet metal guys certify D1.4 on sheet metal.  There really is 
no AWS standard for Theatrical welding applications.  You might stretch 
D1.4 but I wouldn't be sure of that in court...

Is this a California only certification?  Who tests it and on what? 
What sort of coupon and what tests are done on it?  How much does it 
cost and how long is the Cert. good for?

Do you also require all the drawings and processes to be approved by a 
certified welding engineer and have a certified welding inspector 
signing off on the final product?  If you really want to get into 
liability avoidance through certification, just hiring a certified 
welder is a very small part of it.

Stuart

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Message-ID: <45D234B5.8000309 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:59:17 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Craftsman question
References: <list-42397150 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42397150 [at] prxy.net>

Steven Hood wrote:

> Here's my exciting thing: How many of you all have Craftsman hand tools in
> your shops? Great warranty they have there, huh? D'you know, I was told
> today (when trying to replace a tape measure that had been chopped by one of
> my crew) that the warranty does not cover such things as chopped blades? It
> used to, but... 

Did you expect the blade to survive the saw?  Was it marketed as saw proof?

Quit being an Idiot of the first order and pony up for a new one.

In the future you might require that your students buy their own tape 
measures, it will serve them well in later life, it spares you having to 
stock them, and it encourages more care with what they are 
chopping...might even save a finger in the future if they learn to look 
before they cut.

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:52:47 -0500
Subject: Re: CAD Standard
From: John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <C1F79D5F.1662F%stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42395789 [at] prxy.net>

> Is there a CAD standard approved by USITT?  I know
>> there is the drafting standard for hand drafting but am curious on
>> what conventions I should be following when using AutoCAD.

The drafting standards are platform agnostic: Pencil, Pen, AutoCAD,
VectorWorks, crayola. Drafting should be clear and useful no matter what
method is used to put lines on the page.

- John



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Message-ID: <7b8450b90702131441q391a9959y9672f6ab131350f0 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:41:48 -0800
From: Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <45D238D1.4050809 [at] fuse.net>
References: <list-42351753 [at] prxy.net> <list-42352982 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-42362855 [at] prxy.net>
	 <7b8450b90702131153v3032e4camccc6b44cc562b3c3 [at] mail.gmail.com>
	 <45D238D1.4050809 [at] fuse.net>

My mistake,  I just circuit tested the old 210, and if one sparks, the
other sparks. Maybe that's why they have that fancy assed insulated
holder on the side :)

Of course, the ought to have a separate contacter...

Mark-O

On 2/13/07, Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net> wrote:
> Myself wrote:
>
> > Actually, the welders have separate contacters for each gun, so no
> > voltage is passed to the other gun...
>
> You are either mis-informed, or your Millers are not like my Millers.
>
> On the 210, the power to the spoolgun is a parallel connection to the
> regular stinger.  They both tie to the same bolt in the cabinet.
> See  http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o1325q_mil.pdf
> Section 4-6 has a good drawing.
>
> The Millermatic Pulser does have a separate terminal for the pulsed
> spoolgun, and it is very close in design to the 210.
>
> Stuart
>

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Message-ID: <8231e7ea0702131442j50be2509vcc65f7c525c3914f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:42:15 -0500
From: SS <cueonego [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <list-42395262 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42395013 [at] prxy.net> <list-42395262 [at] prxy.net>

>>>> I want to learn to weld,  IS this something one can learn from a book?<<<<

>>>>"Welder's Handbook" by Richard Finch is a good one that I like. I
believe that someone mentioned seeing it at Home Depot.<<<<

>>>>There are a lot of basics regarding "touch" and "feel" and "speed"
which are difficult if not impossible to convey in written form.<<<<

All good comments and questions!  And yes (in short), you can learn
the basics/theories/ideals/etc from a book. However, Paul is right.
You can read all you want, but "hands on" instruction/practice will be
your best bet. A healthy combo of absorbing the written word, followed
by practical use is my recommendation (for whatever that's worth :)

The Welder's Handbook by Richard Finch is a fantastic little book for
one to own.
Amazon has it, but you should be able to pick it up in any Home Depot
or Lowes for about $15 (+ or - a few $).

HTH.

-- 
-SS
TTS-EKU
"Every day is an opportunity disguised as a challenge"

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Message-ID: <45D241FF.5010407 [at] kylerglaze.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:55:59 -0600
From: Kyler Glaze <kyler [at] kylerglaze.com>
Subject: Re: Craftsman question
References: <list-42397150 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42397150 [at] prxy.net>

Steven Hood wrote:
> D'you know, I was told
> today... that the warranty does not cover such things as chopped blades? It
> used to, but... OH! by the way, the warranty was re-written last summer...

All yellow Craftsman tape measures are still covered under the old 
warranty. When you take it in though, they'll give you a new red tape 
measure which falls under the new "only if we didn't make it right" 
warranty.

I wrecked a blade shortly after they changed and decided to shop around 
for other tape measures (because there was really no other reason to use 
a Craftsman tape than the warranty) There are quite a few brands that 
are nicer and cheaper than Craftsman, and have better warranties than 
the new one.

-- 

Kyler Glaze
kyler [at] kylerglaze.com


Treasurer/Webmaster USITT [at] UTA
http://www.usittuta.org/

Webmaster UTA Dept. of Theatre Arts
http://www.uta.edu/theatre/

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Message-ID: <7b8450b90702131515q17b22f87v586bd3fa84b070de [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:15:49 -0800
From: Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Vexing Vectorworks
In-Reply-To: <list-42318422 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42318422 [at] prxy.net>

On 2/11/07, Mick Alderson <alderson [at] uwosh.edu> wrote:
> <provocative mode>
> Isn't it the TD's job to decide how a designer's drawings will be built
>   and to generate the "working" drawings required? Yes, the designer
> should supply drawings that indicate what it looks like, but isn't it
> then up to a TD to decide exactly how it will be accomplished and then
> to generate the working drawings to the level of sophistication
> required? So why are designer drawings being fed into a CNC machine?
> </provocative mode>
>
> I've figured out that I would be an "offender" in this discussion. I
> don't have a CNC mill, and have never even seen one. I don't know what
> they require. My "milling machine" is a student with a jig saw! I am a
> "sloppy" drafter in that I usually find "snaps" to be more frustrating
> than helpful (they keep snapping to the wrong point!), and so I often
> turn them off. My lines are rarely "properly" joined and may not meet
> when viewed at a high enough screen magnification. As a previous poster
> mentioned, they meet _just fine_ on a paper printout, which is the level
> of sophistication I need, and is the _same_ level of sophistication I
> would get with a quality hand drafting. It is "good enough".
>
> > --
> Mick Alderson
>
> TD, Fredric March Theatre
> Univ. of Wis. Oshkosh
>

Ouch!

If one starts working off the designer's drawing, and that drawing is
inaccurate, everyone who works off of it will interpret it a little
different. Of course, when making a cad/cam file, one has to do some
preparation, but it should mostly involve a bit of cutting and
pasting. If I have to retrace a shape, the chances for error increase.
If I miss something like a stray line, or a open segment, either
Bobcad, or the Mach3 will go apesh**. I agree with Michael on that
one. It is a real drag to watch a 300 dollar hunk of plastic getting
cut, when a stray line (that has not been offset) gets cut into the
work. Some days it make you want to just go home early.

Even when I am not making tap files from a drawing, I often "ask" the
drawing for a measurement. Amazing how often a platform measures at 8'
0-1/16" wide, when I know it should be 8' even, (Unless it is Keith's
Luan)

Mark-O

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:21:26 -0500
From: Josh Ratty <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Welders
In-reply-to: <list-42388675 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net
Message-id: <014301c74fc5$af61c3c0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys>



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
Dougherty, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:09 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Welders


Another thing to note about aluminum is that the melting point of the
oxide
is higher than the metal, so you can end up with a molten pool under an
unmelted skin leaving a really pretty bead that isn't welded at all.
See
Stuart's advice about cleaning yet again.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


Jim brings up a good point about Aluminum Oxide. It's harder than nails,
and it's melting point is about 3 times higher than the Aluminum. Not
gonna melt that with a welder.

And while we're talking about cleaning, there are some bad habits to get
into that seem fine. Now it might not be a big deal for welding up some
aluminum box tube for flats or such, but with anything remotely
important you need to do it correctly. Much of the welding that happens
where I work (shipyard) are butt joints in plate and quite important.
Many people like to use acetone to clean a surface to be welded, but if
the joint is fit up already the acetone will simply drag the
contaminants further into the weld. Wiping with a cloth will leave
little bits of the cloth behind to be welded as well. A wire brush can
also force bad things into the weld. If you use a wire brush at all make
sure it is stainless and is dedicated to AL only. Use it one steel just
once and it's junk for AL. The steel will transfer to your AL weld and
that isn't any good either. So what is the best way to prep AL to be
welded? In my experience you should use a clean sanding disc on a
grinder or such, no wax or other lubricants, sand the area to be welded,
fit the joint and weld it. Don't grab the area with your work gloves or
wipe it with a rag. Just clean it, fit it and weld it and all other
things being correct you should get a clean weld. It is an eye opening
experience to lay some great looking beads and spilt them open and take
a close look at the inside and see where and why you did or didn't get
good clean penetration. 

A final note (for now) on welding AL is to practice, practice, practice.
Just because you can weld steel, doesn't mean you can just weld
aluminum. That can be a humbling realization, but an important one. Be
well.

Josh Ratty


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Message-ID: <UxSMgmO2yk0FFwPk [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:41:42 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions
References: <list-42351753 [at] prxy.net> <list-42352982 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42362855 [at] prxy.net>
 <7b8450b90702131153v3032e4camccc6b44cc562b3c3 [at] mail.gmail.com>
 <45D238D1.4050809 [at] fuse.net> <list-42400636 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42400636 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-42400636 [at] prxy.net>, Myself <artguy66 [at] gmail.com> writes
>My mistake,  I just circuit tested the old 210, and if one sparks, the
>other sparks. Maybe that's why they have that fancy assed insulated
>holder on the side :)
>
>Of course, the ought to have a separate contacter...

The contactor would have to be rated 100A or more and would just be 
another point in the circuit where resistance could occur resulting in 
"cold arcs".  (Where the current is limited to the point that the arc 
might strike but not sustain enough power locally to do it's job.)

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:08:22 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: new pyro product
Message-id: <20070214000823.8D63B1C68C5 [at] smtp.interstellar.com>

After much fighting with companies trying to get the plastic cases 
for these, we're ready (with no time to spare) to introduce our new 
firing system at WWB.  Currently only one item in the line, we'll see 
what comments are before we do any more.

The flyer is 
here: 
http://interstellar.com/products/Hand_Held_Ignition_System_Flyer-Manual.pdf

Comments welcome.  If you're at the Western Winter Blast, stop by 
manufacturing to see it in person.

We're leaving tonight for WWB tonight, since I'm co-chair of 
manufacturing we have to be there early.

-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC50959F [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local>
From: Steve Bailey <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com>
Subject: RE: CAD Standard
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:25:46 -0500



-----Original Message-----

> Is there a CAD standard approved by USITT?  I know
>> there is the drafting standard for hand drafting but am curious on 
>> what conventions I should be following when using AutoCAD.

The drafting standards are platform agnostic: Pencil, Pen, AutoCAD,
VectorWorks, crayola. Drafting should be clear and useful no matter what
method is used to put lines on the page.

- John

Varying line weights are a bitch in Crayola.

Steve B.
Brooklyn College


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:33:09 -0500
Subject: Re: CAD Standard
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1F7C2F5.771B%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42403163 [at] prxy.net>



On 2/13/07 7:25 PM, "Steve Bailey" <Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com> wrote:


> 
> Varying line weights are a bitch in Crayola.
> 
> Steve B.
> Brooklyn College
> 

But the color fill is easier - especially with the BIG 64 crayon box. :)

BTW, have you seen the custom colors available for St Patrick's Day? Kinda
like Henry Ford - only Green.

Steve Rees


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:34:03 -0500
Subject: Re: new pyro product
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1F7D13B.C76C%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net>

Hello jerry;

Congrats on the new arrival! Looks dandy on the screen.

Where's the WWB? 
Any plans to show this off in phoenix at usitt?

Congrats again! Happy product launch!

shelley


On 2/13/07 7:08 PM, "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> After much fighting with companies trying to get the plastic cases
> for these, we're ready (with no time to spare) to introduce our new
> firing system at WWB.  Currently only one item in the line, we'll see
> what comments are before we do any more.
> 
> The flyer is 
> here: 
> http://interstellar.com/products/Hand_Held_Ignition_System_Flyer-Manual.pdf
> 
> Comments welcome.  If you're at the Western Winter Blast, stop by
> manufacturing to see it in person.
> 
> We're leaving tonight for WWB tonight, since I'm co-chair of
> manufacturing we have to be there early.

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:47:40 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: new pyro product
In-reply-to: <list-42404713 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <20070214014741.196891C6DD0 [at] smtp.interstellar.com>
References: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net> <list-42404713 [at] prxy.net>

At 05:34 PM 2/13/2007, Steve Shelley wrote:
>Congrats on the new arrival! Looks dandy on the screen.

Thanks, it was a pain getting it ready.  Brand X plastic box guys 
kept sending the wrong cases, one time even FedExed 13 catalogs with 
NO parts!  We switched to PacTec and all the boxes came short on 
battery clips!  Luckily, the ones from Brand X fit so we got exactly 
two built.  Finished TODAY, we leave at 3am tonight.

>Where's the WWB?

Lake Havasu City, Arizona.

>Any plans to show this off in phoenix at usitt?

Won't be there this year.  If anyone wants to show one off in their 
booth, we could pay comissions on sales.



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-ID: <77fad3270702131802g7e370508y16ca761906490441 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:02:51 -0500
From: "Nathan Kahn" <nathan.kahn [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: new pyro product
In-Reply-To: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net>

Looks like a really well thought out unit.  Congrats!  What is MSRP?

Nathan

-- 
Look Solutions USA, Ltd.
Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189
Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com
Web: www.looksolutionsusa.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:06:37 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: new pyro product
In-reply-to: <list-42405491 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <20070214020638.283421C6E8A [at] smtp.interstellar.com>
References: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405491 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:02 PM 2/13/2007, Nathan Kahn wrote:
>Looks like a really well thought out unit.  Congrats!  What is MSRP?

Working on that.  We donated one to the WPA to be auctioned off this 
weekend.  We'll see what it goes for plus comments from people who 
see the one I'll have to demo.

We don't make a lot on products with our brand name, it's more 
advertising that's useful to people.

Price range suggestions welcome.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:14:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: new pyro product
In-Reply-To: <list-42405582 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131814010.31637 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405491 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405582 [at] prxy.net>

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Jerry Durand wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At 06:02 PM 2/13/2007, Nathan Kahn wrote:
>> Looks like a really well thought out unit.  Congrats!  What is MSRP?

MSRP = Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price

>
> Working on that.  We donated one to the WPA to be auctioned off this weekend. 
> We'll see what it goes for plus comments from people who see the one I'll 
> have to demo.
>
> We don't make a lot on products with our brand name, it's more advertising 
> that's useful to people.
>
> Price range suggestions welcome.
>
>
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand
>

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Message-ID: <BAY121-F36BAFDCEAFDC0B593CCCEDA970 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-42368940 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Big Class
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:17:26 -0500

>You think internet sites could help. And maybe they
>could, if there was an understandable site with the
>info they need

So maybe this is the solution to the problem:  The students want 
reinforcement of the subject matter at hand, and would like a website to 
visit.  For your next class project, *design one*.

There's more that goes into website design than initially meets the eye; and 
there's an abundance of information on lamps, lenses, and luminaire design, 
so some consideration on the presentation is necessary.  What order to 
present information in, how much is too much, etc.

It could take the shape of a small wiki, or a Flash project, a hypertext, a 
virtual hands-on lab, or whatever else you and the kids can think up.

Now admittedly, this is 180 degrees removed from hands-on theater work, and 
m-a-y-b-e what the students are secretly asking is to spend some time 
playing with something they think is more relevant; but it could also create 
a valuable resource for your next 40-student class.

Grade hard, and then give 'em so much theater it comes out their ears.

My <monetary="American Dollars">.02</monetary>.


-- Matt



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:25:57 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: new pyro product
In-reply-to: <list-42405745 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <20070214022558.756CC1C6F59 [at] smtp.interstellar.com>
References: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405491 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42405582 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405745 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:14 PM 2/13/2007, Charlie Richmond wrote:

>MSRP = Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price

I know what it stands for, just working on what a fair price would 
be.  How about $5,555,555.00 with BIG discounts to everyone?  :)



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:32:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: new pyro product
In-Reply-To: <list-42406037 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702131832100.31637 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42402799 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405491 [at] prxy.net> <list-42405582 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42405745 [at] prxy.net> <list-42406037 [at] prxy.net>

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Jerry Durand wrote:

>> MSRP = Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price
>
> I know what it stands for, just working on what a fair price would be.  How 
> about $5,555,555.00 with BIG discounts to everyone?  :)

Nathan asked:

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:02:51 -0500
From: Nathan Kahn <nathan.kahn [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: new pyro product

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Looks like a really well thought out unit.  Congrats!  What is MSRP?

Nathan

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