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ACad problem by "Bill Conner" 2. Re: new pyro product (price) by "Michael Powers" 3. Re: usitt housing by Theatre Safety Programs 4. Re: usitt housing by Theatre Safety Programs 5. Welding textbooks (was: "re: Welder Suggestions" from #1141 by kposton [at] mindspring.com 6. Re: [Suspect] Re: Craftsman question by Daniel Rich 7. Re: Welders by CB 8. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems by CB 9. Re: big class by CB 10. Re: [Suspect] Re: Craftsman question by "Paul Schreiner" 11. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by CB 12. Re: Craftsman question by CB 13. Re: new pyro product by CB 14. Re: big class by 15. Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! by "Paul Schreiner" 16. Re: USITT Lodging by Chip Wood 17. Re: ACad problem by Joe 18. Re: ACad problem by 19. Re: Smoking RC Car by "Edwin Toy" 20. Re: new pyro product (price) by Clive Mitchell 21. Re: USITT Lodging by "Michael Beyer" 22. ignore this message by "David R. Krajec" 23. 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Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <079501c75033$00f77500$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: ACad problem Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:23:58 -0600 The option to print a dwf file is under publish. I almost always use this option and if the plotting service only accepts pdfs, I print the pdf from the dwf. I have not had a problem with plotting services getting the scale right. Xrefs's as Peter points out are wonderful, especially when working on buildings with drawings from many different specialties. In combination with using plotstyles instead of color dependent line widths, they save a huge amount of time and bother. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702140635w18cbd403gf2e1640b53def22d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:35:54 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) Jerry Durand writes: <<........Price range suggestions welcome............>> Free - to any short, bald Irishman with a handlebar mustache!! ;-) Not knowing what the cost of labor and materials are, it's hard to guess, but it would be nice if it could come in between $50 & $75 MSRP. That's a price I think my customers might be interested in. Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:45:05 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: re: usitt housing Message-Id: <20070214144425.CHLH21704.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [at] fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I don't know if you went through the housing bureau -- but here are some other ideas, not all walking distance These are Marriotts -- can check on their website 1. Springhill Suites Downtown (almost walking distance) 802 East Van Buren Street Phoenix , AZ 85006 Distance: 0.5 miles | These are within about 5 miles 2. Courtyard Phoenix Camelback 2101 East Camelback Road Phoenix , AZ 85016 Distance: 4.5 miles 3. Residence in Phoenix Airport 801 North 44th Street Phoenix , AZ 85008 Distance: 5.1 miles | 4. Phoenix Airport Marriott 1101 North 44th Street Phoenix , AZ 85008 Distance 5.1 miles Choice Hotels Quality Inn and Suites 202 East McDowell Road Phoenix, AZ, US Distance 1.5 miles I believe there are some hiltons in the area as well -- check website, and to make location finding easier, put in Chase Field if you asked for attraaction rather than address If you want any specific info, feel free to contact. Even though we live 45 minutes away, our guest room is already filled. Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:01:08 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: re: usitt housing Message-Id: <20070214150026.CXTF22948.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net [at] fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I don't know if you went through the housing bureau -- but here are some other ideas, not all walking distance These are Marriotts -- can check on their website 1. Springhill Suites Downtown (almost walking distance) 802 East Van Buren Street Phoenix , AZ 85006 Distance: 0.5 miles | These are within about 5 miles 2. Courtyard Phoenix Camelback 2101 East Camelback Road Phoenix , AZ 85016 Distance: 4.5 miles 3. Residence in Phoenix Airport 801 North 44th Street Phoenix , AZ 85008 Distance: 5.1 miles | 4. Phoenix Airport Marriott 1101 North 44th Street Phoenix , AZ 85008 Distance 5.1 miles Choice Hotels Quality Inn and Suites 202 East McDowell Road Phoenix, AZ, US Distance 1.5 miles I believe there are some hiltons in the area as well -- check website, and to make location finding easier, put in Chase Field if you asked for attraaction rather than address If you want any specific info, feel free to contact. Even though we live 45 minutes away, our guest room is already filled. Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <18989636.1171466567833.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:22:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: kposton [at] mindspring.com Reply-To: kposton [at] mindspring.com Subject: Welding textbooks (was: "re: Welder Suggestions" from #1141 Al, here's a couple of titles that I've purchased and perused. They look like the sort of thing that will serve to reinforce the quick, one semester course I had in grad school. Please let me know if they help. "Practical Shielded Metal Arc Welding" by Gellerman, Mike ISBN 0-13-601931-5 "Practical Gas Metal and Flux Cored Arc Welding" by Gellerman, Mike ISBN 0-13-639238-5 Both are published by Prentice Hall >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:47:17 -0800 (PST) >From: Al Fitch >Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions >In-Reply-To: >Message-ID: <713130.25528.qm [at] web84011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > >> And if I can hijack the thread a touch, too, is >> there a 'welding for >> dummies' book out there? I want to learn to weld, >> but I don't see any >> courses available in my area, beyond the 'become a >> professional >> welder' ilk, which isn't what I want. IS this >> something one can >> learn from a book? I haven't welded since Junior >> High, where I got >> two days with an arc welder to do some stuff. >> >> Thanks! >> -cdr > > >Have you tried a local community college or CTE(career >and technical education) school ? > > >> >> > > >Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. > >------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D334AC.8000607 [at] sunnyvaleplayers.org> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:11:24 -0800 From: Daniel Rich Subject: Re: [Suspect] Re: Craftsman question References: In-Reply-To: Jason Haislet wrote: > Craftsman hand tools are nice. Unfortunaly thier > drills are laking. I have had three different drills > purchased over three or four years. Have to get them > replaced twice on the warranty. > I've found this to be true of Craftsman power tools in general. I have had more motor and switch failures on them than on anything else I buy. -- Dan Rich Webmaster | Sunnyvale Community Players | Theatre in and for the www.sunnyvaleplayers.org | Heart of Silicon Valley The Sunnyvale Community Players is a 501c(3) non-profit organization dedicated to providing quality theater for the Sunnyvale community. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070214084845.00cc2498 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:48:45 From: CB Subject: Re: Welders >here in Tampa, , outdoor BBQ hasn't left, , Yeah, Florida is much nicer than Arizona. Last night, freezing rain and high winds! We've had snow more'n once this year! Tell yer friends. <*mumble* g-darn snowbirds don't know howda drive *mumble-grumble*> Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070214085356.00cc2498 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:53:56 From: CB Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems > You only use one >of the microphones and set a receiver at each location to that mike's frequency. Ehm, this would work in a low RF environment with great line-of sight, but would benefit muchly by using a line level input from a mixer instead of using the mic. There are numerous ways to get a line level signal into an RF transmitter, but there are also far better solutions in this area that would be less expensive. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070214085724.00cc2498 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:57:24 From: CB Subject: RE: big class >> Wiki *is* the greatest thing I've ever found > >Ranking even above this list? Wow...that's praise. Hyperbole. If I want to know if Wiki is correct or not, I ask this list... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: [Suspect] Re: Craftsman question Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A076F7E01 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > > Craftsman hand tools are nice. Unfortunaly thier drills=20 > are laking. =20 > > I have had three different drills purchased over three or=20 > four years. =20 > > Have to get them replaced twice on the warranty. > > =20 >=20 > I've found this to be true of Craftsman power tools in=20 > general. I have had more motor and switch failures on them=20 > than on anything else I buy. My general rule of thumb is for Craftsman...hand tools, good; power tools, baaaad. Even without the warranty, I've always liked the feel of their screwdrivers and such better than most other brands. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070214090318.00cc2498 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:03:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! > 60 years to the present. "5 or 6 years" is about 10% of that. To me, that >is "quite a bit". Maybe its' age. Used to be I couldn't wait five days for my birthday to come (one of my first memories, walking down the street one foot on the curb, one in the gutter, realizing that my fourth birthday was a whole five days away) and now the days pass like clikety-claks under the railcar's wheels. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070214090843.00cc2498 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:08:43 From: CB Subject: Re: Craftsman question >I have to say that while I appreciate the Craftsman warranty, and I >have used it on occasion, it seems open for abuse. While digging a motorcycle track, I uncovered an ancient 'Proto' c-wrench. Well, most of it, anyway. I cleaned it up and took it to the nearest dealer and asked if I could buy the parts that were missing. He took it, walked to the back of the store, and came back with a new one and handed it to me. "Lifetime warranty." I tried to explain that I had found it, but he was insistant. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070214091503.00cc2498 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:15:03 From: CB Subject: Re: new pyro product > we're ready (with no time to spare) to introduce our new > firing system at WWB. *This* is why we never connect at this event. I'm off to fence at a war (tourney type thing) this time of year. I'll see y'all after the weekend! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: big class Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:35:51 +0000 Message-Id: <20070214183551.EHZH29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: MissWisc [at] aol.com > Date: 2007/02/14 Wed AM 06:18:26 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: big class > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Oh yeah! I've been showing him the differences in the news reporting too. > Love to compare the same topic as reported by the BBC versus the US press. > It is equally interesting to compare the news coverage between two UK stations. I watch the BBC news at 13.00 and 22.00: my wife the Ch4 news at i900. Allowing for breaking stories, they are often very different. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Stop that light! No, fade it up somewhere else! Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A076F7EE5 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Maybe its' age. Used to be I couldn't wait five days for my=20 > birthday to come (one of my first memories, walking down the=20 > street one foot on the curb, one in the gutter, realizing=20 > that my fourth birthday was a whole five days away) and now=20 > the days pass like clikety-claks under the railcar's wheels.=20 Interesting theory I heard once about the changing perception of time as we age...but it's been so long I don't remember where it came from. Basically, the thought is that "one day" when we're young is a greater percentage of our overall frame of (time) reference, and therefore "feels longer" than it does as we get older and have more days under our belt. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D35D9F.8000609 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:06:07 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: USITT Lodging References: In-Reply-To: Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > to USITT after all. All nearby hotels appears to be full. Does > anyone have any secrets or strategies that can help? > If you have a car, there are a large number of nice hotels/motels around the airport only 10-15 min from downtown. Public transportation is available, but spotty. Don't go for anything on Buchanan or the near fringes of downtown, unless you are looking for a "good time". Chip ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070214132622.01f45b28 [at] dunfee.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:08:23 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: ACad problem In-Reply-To: References: Chris wrote: >I don't think that is what Loren was alluding too. His point is that >time is wasted corrected a drawing for machining. This problem gets >worse when machining a 3D part in CNC, and a line that is down 2 layrs "Wasted" is what is up for discussion. I think that in many industries, management believes the software company's sales pitch about how easy they are to use, and do not understand the complexity of CAD programs. CNC Machining is an additional level of complexity on top of that. I hope that in Heaven, all computer programs (and lighting boards, etc) will have the ability to prevent these problems. But until then, it is going to take time and expertise to wrestle the work out of the computer. Joe Dunfee joe [at] dunfee.com Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: ACad problem Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:11:57 +0000 Message-Id: <20070214191157.OWJU219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Chris Warner > Date: 2007/02/14 Wed AM 06:26:34 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: ACad problem > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > I don't think that is what Loren was alluding too. His point is that > time is wasted corrected a drawing for machining. This problem gets > worse when machining a 3D part in CNC, and a line that is down 2 layrs > deep sends a cutter across a $300 hunk of inconel or other exotic > alloy. The lesson is simple, use a selection window in autocad and make > sure there is no objects below. I don't, myself, use AutoCAD, but its baby brother AutoSketch. This has fewer facilities, but a similar structure, and the two will talk to each other. The base lighting plan has, buried on the lower layers, all the outlet locations, and other information of use only to lighting designers and riggers. The one I have on board colour-codes a lot of this. I have never used one, but I imagine that a CNC device has a great similarity with a graphics plotter, and talks something similar to HPGL, with which I am familiar. But there were rather simpler plotters around, so AutoDesk's plotter drivers used only a very limited sub-set of the possible commands. It restricted itself to:"get this pen"; "go here"; "put the pen down"; "go there, there, and there"; "pick up the pen"; "go and get another pen"; and so on. They used to drive me mad. They would go and do a bit it one corner with one pen, change pens and do a bit in another corner, and so on until the drawing was complete. I was moved to write a filter program, so that it did all the thin black lines, thick black lines, red lines and so on at one pass each. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: "Edwin Toy" Cc: paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net References: Subject: RE: Smoking RC Car Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:24:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:47 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Smoking RC Car For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- My mail server is working on its "suck" level, so sorry if this was sent twice. Google "Wizard Stick" A handheld battery powered fogger. You might be able to make it work. <> At $1275.00, I wouldn't say "pretty". Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <$yi2gmK3Z20FFwLc [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:43:51 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) References: In-Reply-To: In message , Michael Powers writes >Not knowing what the cost of labor and materials are, it's hard to >guess, but it would be nice if it could come in between $50 & $75 >MSRP. That's a price I think my customers might be interested in. That actually seems a pretty low guess for the functionality of the unit. I'd guess in the region of $100 to $150 myself. Of course, if you wanted one for 50 bucks then the DIY effort on my website could be just the thing. Not quite the same professional spec as Jerry's though. But you can add a white LED torch easily enough. A white LED, switch and 330 ohm resistor sounds about right. :) Obviously Jerry's is better geared up to pro use with it's more forceful capacitor discharge technology and useful circuit resistance indication. Both features specifically required by professionals in the pyro industry. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <468d22820702141147x146061bat1e04fd4c2b0c5ba3 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:47:28 -0500 From: "Michael Beyer" Subject: Re: USITT Lodging In-Reply-To: References:

I thought all hotels were booked too, then I went to Hotels.com and got one... Though I have not yet called the actual hotel yet to confirm that THEY have my reservation... I should do that. Michael On 2/14/07, Chip Wood wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > > to USITT after all. All nearby hotels appears to be full. Does > > anyone have any secrets or strategies that can help? > > > > If you have a car, there are a large number of nice hotels/motels around > the airport only 10-15 min from downtown. Public transportation is > available, but spotty. Don't go for anything on Buchanan or the near > fringes of downtown, unless you are looking for a "good time". > > Chip > -- www.mjblightdesign.com ------------------------------ From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: ignore this message Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:50:38 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sorry but I have to send a message to the listserve to allow our e-mail server to develop a personal whitelist. Thanks, David Krajec ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <85656CB2-14AA-4384-9653-E4EB93D8730D [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Craftsman question Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:07:56 -0500 My grandfather had a shop full of power tools from Sears when I was growing up. (Lathe, drill press, belt/disk sander, table saw & jig saw). My father bought them from my grandfather over thirty years ago and they were (I think) around forty or fifty years old then - they are still working great! I remember my dad going to Sears when one part did break, hoping that they might find some part that was compatible. It turned out that they still had a full stock of parts and were ready willing and able to service any of their equipment no matter how old. We were both most impressed with Sears and the way they stood behind their tools! I am no longer as fond of "The softer side of Sears"! They seem to have changed their focus so much that they might as well change their name as well, 'cause they ain't the same store anymore! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Craftsman question Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:21:34 -0500 On 14 Feb, 2007, at 15:07 , Bruce Purdy wrote: > I am no longer as fond of "The softer side of Sears"! They seem to > have changed their focus so much that they might as well change > their name as well, 'cause they ain't the same store anymore! Didn't K-Mart buy them a couple of years ago? That might explain some things... -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:49:56 GMT Subject: Re: Craftsman question Message-Id: <20070214.125010.18186.1253441 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> K-Mart bought Sears as part of the K-Mart bankruptcy plan. Don't Ask. /s/ Richard ____________________________ On 14 Feb, 2007, at 15:07 , Bruce Purdy wrote: > I am no longer as fond of "The softer side of Sears"! They = seem to have changed their focus so much that they might as well = change their name as well, 'cause they ain't the same store anymore! Didn't K-Mart buy them a couple of years ago? That might explain = some things... Sincerely, Andrew Vance ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9c931d380702141357s55502f62ra7e7a1ad6fec419b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:57:42 -0800 From: "Scott Price" Subject: Researching Designers I am working on a research project on prominent designers. Are there research materials in either book form or online that I can go to to get information. Specifically on: David Mitchell Tharon Musser Bob Crowley David Hersey If anyone has any personal/professional experiences with any of these designers, please contact me off list. Scott Price -- Scott Price Theatrical Technician Graduate Student SDSU 3560 6th Ave Unit 8 San Diego, CA 92103 860-670-7815 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:02:05 -0500 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: Researching Designers In-reply-to: Message-id: <45D386DD.8020701 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: Have you tried www.ibdb.com the Internet Broadway Database? HTH, Ian Scott Price wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am working on a research project on prominent designers. Are there > research materials in either book form or online that I can go to to > get information. Specifically on: > David Mitchell > Tharon Musser > Bob Crowley > David Hersey > > If anyone has any personal/professional experiences with any of these > designers, please contact me off list. > > Scott Price > > -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D38C04.8070206 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:24:04 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Theatre Recomnedations Greetings all,, We are looking to build a new 1500 seat auditorium/theatre space.I have been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the peripherals associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green rooms, etc). I am curious if any of you have some words of wisdom for me to consider in my recommendations? Most of the event in this space would be small buss and truck events, programs done by on campus organizations, speakers, and so forth. We would not be building our own scenery, but we do need storage space. Any thought about this would be appreciated. Thanks! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9c931d380702141430g7a52301fy8f9fa4d2d2b12c7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:30:21 -0800 From: "Scott Price" Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations In-Reply-To: References: This isn't probably on top of your list, but when UCONN was building their new space they forgot about simple items, like trashcans and tables and brooms and mops in their budget. On 2/14/07, Brian James wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all,, > We are looking to build a new 1500 seat auditorium/theatre space.I have > been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the peripherals > associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green rooms, etc). > > I am curious if any of you have some words of wisdom for me to consider > in my recommendations? > > Most of the event in this space would be small buss and truck events, > programs done by on campus organizations, speakers, and so forth. We > would not be building our own scenery, but we do need storage space. > > Any thought about this would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > > > > > -- Scott Price Theatrical Technician Graduate Student SDSU 3560 6th Ave Unit 8 San Diego, CA 92103 860-670-7815 ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:51:55 GMT Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Message-Id: <20070214.145212.18186.1254184 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Fight VERY HARD for as much height that you can get above stage, the = house, and above every other habitable space. You will use it, REALLY. All ramps that are required for legal handicap access should be able = to accommodate a Cushman, Kawasaki, or Diahatsu motorized cart. Make = sure that you accommodate 53' trailers both in their path of travel = and space at the loading dock. Make sure the worst case total ambient = noise in the house, including HVAC and every other sound source such = as passing Emergency Vehicles, is less than NC-9. = /s/ Richard ___________________________ Greetings all,, We are looking to build a new 1500 seat auditorium/theatre space.I = have been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the = peripherals associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green = rooms, etc). I am curious if any of you have some words of wisdom for me to = consider in my recommendations? Most of the event in this space would be small buss and truck events, = programs done by on campus organizations, speakers, and so forth. We = would not be building our own scenery, but we do need storage space. Any thought about this would be appreciated. Thanks! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D39358.7030406 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:55:20 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations References:

In-Reply-To: Excellent point, they were not even on the list...... Scott Price wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This isn't probably on top of your list, but when UCONN was building > their new space they forgot about simple items, like trashcans and > tables and brooms and mops in their budget. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45D3404C.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:00:59 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations References:

In-Reply-To: > been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the peripherals > associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green rooms, etc). > ------------------- >Make >sure that you accommodate 53' trailers both in their path of travel >and space at the loading dock. Also you may want to push for 2 loading docks since some tours require that. Make sure you have extra offices/personal dressing room spaces for touring production managers, company managers, etc. When I toured with a medium sized dance company, we required at least 4 separate rooms (2 for private dressing rooms, and 2 separate offices). Some tours may require more. I'd suggest looking at some technical riders of some touring productions and see those little things that might be required of the space apart from the stage. Here's the one we used: http://www.hubbardstreetdance.com/hsdc_technical_requirements.asp You can download full Tech requirements to see details. HTH Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <86773DFB-4E51-46ED-886E-03D139F15FEE [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: heading out on tour Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:09:28 -0500 List friends, I am heading out on tour with my show CIRCUS NEXUS presents RITES AND RITUALS ( www.circusnexus.org) this coming week We will be performing in ; Farmington New Mexico Monday the 19th Durango, Colorado Tuesday the 20th Santa Fe, New Mexico DAY OFF Wednesday the 21st Albuquerque NM / PopeJoy Hall / U of NM Thursday the 22nd through Sunday the 23rd. Would love to meet any list members in those areas while on the road feel free to contact me off list.... Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D39889.3040607 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:17:29 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations References: In-Reply-To: Brian James wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all,, > We are looking to build a new 1500 seat auditorium/theatre space.I have > been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the peripherals > associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green rooms, etc). As you've specifically asked about peripheral spaces, I'll ignore the big spaces and leave that to everyone who didn't carefully read your request. We have two large dressing rooms (8-10 people) that feed to a large makeup area. This is wonderful. So far the theatre folk have been using the makeup area as an additional dressing room. That's ok. We also have two smaller "star" dressing rooms (one can handle 4 comfortably, the other is two people at most). Look at what you will be programming in the facility, and plan at least one extra dressing room beyond that. There will always be a time that some VIP will come through and need a room. Don't make the green room too nice. But it should be large enough for cast meetings and be equipped with running water and enough electricity for small appliances. Having windows in the green room is a blessing that you won't soon forget. (Ok, so our overlook the loading dock, but it beats another blank wall.) Dressing rooms and green rooms should be on the same level as the theatre. If you have room to put a laundry/wardrobe workroom nearby, do it. But at least have elevator access between the dressing room level and everything else. Custodial Closet/Paint sink near the stage. You don't want wet brushes and rollers having to walk too far through your nice, new hallways. Trust me on this one. Offices for visiting companies. Stage Management, TD, Production Manager. Make sure these are fully wired -- internet, intercom, audio/video monitor. Offices for facility staff. Plan for expansion. We have one office for each staff member, so if we ever expand our staff, there'll be trouble. Also make sure these are fully wired to the theatres. I keep my video monitor on all day, checking in on what's happening. It allows me to keep on top of desk work while being aware of what's happening throughout the building. No matter what you think, add more storage. Even if you're not producing, those seat kills for the FOH mixing position have to be stored somewhere. The Genie Lift needs a home. Your extra pipe for booms? Hampers? Lighting instruments? Sound Gear? And make sure the storage comes with organization. Get heavy-duty shelving. The roof overhanging the loading dock should extend at least half the length of a trailer. Short overhangs are pretty useless on a windy, rainy day. Ok, that's a start. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Researching Designers Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:51:13 +0000 Message-Id: <20070214235113.TSEG17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Scott Price" > Date: 2007/02/14 Wed PM 09:57:42 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Researching Designers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am working on a research project on prominent designers. Are there > research materials in either book form or online that I can go to to > get information. Specifically on: > David Mitchell > Tharon Musser > Bob Crowley > David Hersey > There is always the ubiquitous "Scene Design and Stage Lighting" by Parker and Smith ISBN 0-03-020761-4."Stage Lighting Design" by Richard Pilbrow ISBN 1-85459-273-4, and "British Theatre Design: the Modern age" by John Goodwin may be worth a look. They sound oriented to lighting design, but are copiously illustrated. Do not overlook designers on our side of the pond, and not just in the UK. I have seen some very good work here, and in Europe as well. Sure, we all have, shall I say 'eccentric' designers, and Russia is usually highly traditional. But looking at their web sites may give you a new perspective. Ralph Koltai and Joseph Svoboda are two names, and the various designers at Bayreuth. Checking out known lighting designers may supply more material, since they like wide angle shots of the sets they have lit. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8E579245-6A49-4AAC-ABC7-2DF102C20F85 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:58:24 -0500 On 14 Feb 2007, at 17:24, Brian James wrote: > I have been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the > peripherals associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green > rooms, etc). Figure how much space you need and quadruple it. Figure that they will only give you half of what you ask for, and you will actually end up needing twice what you expect! ;') Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 0:01:33 +0000 Message-Id: <20070215000133.XLXI26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Scott Price" > Date: 2007/02/14 Wed PM 10:30:21 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > CC: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com > Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > On 2/14/07, Brian James wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Greetings all,, > > We are looking to build a new 1500 seat auditorium/theatre space.I have > > been asked to make recommendations for space needs for the peripherals > > associated with such a space (dressing rooms, green rooms, etc). > > > > I am curious if any of you have some words of wisdom for me to consider > > in my recommendations? > > > > Most of the event in this space would be small buss and truck events, > > programs done by on campus organizations, speakers, and so forth. We > > would not be building our own scenery, but we do need storage space. Wing space, and storage, storage, storage! Carpenters and props are reluctant to throw anything away, and rightly. But there are limits. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:22:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Researching Designers From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Re-read the question. Then, try to answer the question. Your reply has nothing to do with the question. Geez Steve > From: > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:51:13 +0000 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Researching Designers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> From: "Scott Price" >> Date: 2007/02/14 Wed PM 09:57:42 GMT >> To: "Stagecraft" >> Subject: Researching Designers >> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> I am working on a research project on prominent designers. Are there >> research materials in either book form or online that I can go to to >> get information. Specifically on: >> David Mitchell >> Tharon Musser >> Bob Crowley >> David Hersey >> > There is always the ubiquitous "Scene Design and Stage Lighting" by Parker and > Smith ISBN 0-03-020761-4."Stage Lighting Design" by Richard Pilbrow ISBN > 1-85459-273-4, and "British Theatre Design: the Modern age" by John Goodwin > may be worth a look. They sound oriented to lighting design, but are copiously > illustrated. > > Do not overlook designers on our side of the pond, and not just in the UK. I > have seen some very good work here, and in Europe as well. Sure, we all have, > shall I say 'eccentric' designers, and Russia is usually highly traditional. > But looking at their web sites may give you a new perspective. Ralph Koltai > and Joseph Svoboda are two names, and the various designers at Bayreuth. > Checking out known lighting designers may supply more material, since they > like wide angle shots of the sets they have lit. > > > Frank Wood > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > ------------------------------ From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:33:30 EST Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Not exactly a peripheral item, but wire the poop out of the entire facility! DMX, CAT5, Video, Clearcom, etc. Put outlets everywhere you can think of, then put in the places you wish you'd thought of during the planning stage. Examples are wiring multiple drops to the FOH catwalks & stage electrics, and running coax for CATV from the booth into the green rooms & dressing rooms so you can provide a video feed for cueing & to keep everyone from standing in the wings because they want to see what's happening on stage. Maybe even some video feeds to the lobby so when late-arriving audience members are told they can't enter until an appropriate point in the performance, they can see what's happening on stage & understand why they have to wait. If you can, have extra conduits installed to strategic locations, or over-size whatever conduits are being installed so you'll have the infrastructure in place for extra services in the future. After all the above, try to over-size all the hallways backstage & between the stage & loading dock so things can roll easily in and out, or be parked in the hallway & still have clearance for people to walk through. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:55:02 -0500 Subject: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Folks, I think we've been thru this before. I had a call from a friend of mine who is a stage manager. They asked me to tell them what a sunday was, as it came up in discussions with a house they are touring through. I know a sunday to be a smaller diameter line that is wrapped around a purchase line and use to tie a lineset off when it is out of weight. The production in question apparently is somehow (don't ask me how) using a sunday to "Level off" a lineset that had a scenic piece on it that was hung not level. Am I using this term correctly? Am I correct in the statement that an out of weight lineset should not be left unsupervised with only a sunday around it? Or is it common practice to "permanently, or temporarily sunday something off? Thanks. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:59:43 +0000 Storage, Storage, Storage! Climate controlled storage, Prop Storage, Scenery storage, costume storage, Actor Storage (Greenroom) Separate from Dressing Room. Dressing Rooms with Showers (More than one). If its not a Fly house...two words...Tension Grid. Moe Join us for the Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.LRLR.org >From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:33:30 EST > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Not exactly a peripheral item, but wire the poop out of the entire >facility! >DMX, CAT5, Video, Clearcom, etc. Put outlets everywhere you can think of, >then put in the places you wish you'd thought of during the planning >stage. >Examples are wiring multiple drops to the FOH catwalks & stage electrics, >and >running coax for CATV from the booth into the green rooms & dressing rooms >so >you can provide a video feed for cueing & to keep everyone from standing >in >the wings because they want to see what's happening on stage. Maybe even >some video feeds to the lobby so when late-arriving audience members are >told >they can't enter until an appropriate point in the performance, they can >see >what's happening on stage & understand why they have to wait. > >If you can, have extra conduits installed to strategic locations, or >over-size whatever conduits are being installed so you'll have the >infrastructure in >place for extra services in the future. > >After all the above, try to over-size all the hallways backstage & between >the stage & loading dock so things can roll easily in and out, or be >parked in >the hallway & still have clearance for people to walk through. _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:05:34 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations In-Reply-To: References: > If you can, have extra conduits installed to strategic locations, or > over-size whatever conduits are being installed so you'll have the infrastructure in > place for extra services in the future. And whatever wiring and conduit you have run, make sure there is ample accurate documentation of what is leading where and which wires they are...and find a place that isn't easily forgotten to stash that away when the next generation of staff comes through the place. Nothing spoils a mood like spending a morning running something or other only to find out that that dangly bit two feet to the right was put in just for this purpose but nobody knew about it. Of course, depending on the end result, that documentation could end up being the root of a lot of "WTF?" conversations a few years down the road...as in, WTF were they thinking when they did *that*?? :) From my bus-and-truck days...gosh, there's a lot of horror stories I could share (like loading out down the side of a grassy hill at 10PM in the middle of February cuz there wasn't even a road within 100' of the venue), but a lot of the big things have been covered...especially offices for the touring folks. With desks and internet and couches and microwaves and coffee makers and dorm-size refridgerators, preferably (and keep them stocked, at least with coffee and tea supplies and disposable dinnerware). And a toilet and shower(s) in the dressing rooms (though those offices might could use one too). Touring folks--especially bus-n-truck types--can get pretty sketchy . A clear pathway from the booth to backstage to the visiting offices that doesn't waltz through your lobby and concession area would be good. Snack machines. And a couple of convenient, well-marked recycling areas. A *real* crossover space that doesn't require going through any of the other rooms. With extra-wide doors to the stage. While we're at it, all the doors to all the dressing rooms and such should be at least 36" wide, and 48" would be better. Figure 3 large chorus (12+) dressing rooms (men's, women's, and children/overflow), 2 "star" rooms (for 1-2 people, but large enough for a performer to have a decent sit-down dinner in without getting chicken all over his guitars), and 2-4 other smaller "not-quite-star" dressing rooms for the really small tours (where you don't have the need for the big ones...or the space is tightly-booked, and you've got two groups housed for a weekend) that can support up to four or five people each. And do what you can to make sure those touring types can get cell phone access wherever in the building (including the catwalks) you think they might go. And wireless internet. Every room, every seat, every access space should have signal. Make sure there's good communication from room to room and booth to backstage and so forth. That's it for now...if I think of more, I'll jump back in on this... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:07:54 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations In-Reply-To: References:

Ooh, just thought of one more. Don't put any toilets in the hallway right next to the stage doors. Inopportune flushing...bad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:23:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: A "Sunday" is a loop of small diameter wire rope that is choked around another line or bundle of lines and used to hold thos lines together and keep them from moving. A sandbag is hung from a hemp set bundle by means of a "Sunday". The term comes from nautical days when, on the Sabbath, the sailors wanted to go to church, the used the Sunday to hold their lines and sheets that they were responsible for in place until they came back from services. Considering the mortality rate of a sailor they tended to be very religious, even the nasty ones. It is never a wise idea to leave a line set (counterweight or hemp set) out of weight unsupervised. That being said, it does happen and a Sunday is probably the best way to do it. As to the 'leveling off' of a set piece, I've used a Sunday to hold the bundle while I work with the line in the bundle that needs to be adjusted. That way, if I slip and lose the piece, the Sunday backs me up. Zat help? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. On 2/14/07 9:55 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks, > > I think we've been thru this before. I had a call from a friend of mine who > is a stage manager. They asked me to tell them what a sunday was, as it came > up in discussions with a house they are touring through. > > I know a sunday to be a smaller diameter line that is wrapped around a > purchase line and use to tie a lineset off when it is out of weight. The > production in question apparently is somehow (don't ask me how) using a > sunday to "Level off" a lineset that had a scenic piece on it that was hung > not level. > > Am I using this term correctly? > > Am I correct in the statement that an out of weight lineset should not be > left unsupervised with only a sunday around it? Or is it common practice to > "permanently, or temporarily sunday something off? > > Thanks. > > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <29EF311C-B41F-460D-8F35-5229F6E7AC81 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:26:00 -0500 I have heard circus folk refer to the same thing as a "becket" (sic) Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 14, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: A "Sunday" is a loop of small diameter wire rope that is choked around another line or bundle of lines and used to hold thos lines together and keep them from moving. A sandbag is hung from a hemp set bundle by means of a "Sunday". ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:28:25 EST Subject: Oklahoma prop I know it's been asked before...anyone out there have or know of a "Little Wonder" that is available for rent or loan? TIA Jeff Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College 845-758-7956 drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1CF2D008-49F9-46A4-851E-F356B1C690BC [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Oklahoma prop Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:32:54 -0500 Here's an interesting site regarding a "Little Wonder" http://www.sewergator.com/gfz/sb/film/oklahoma.htm Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 14, 2007, at 10:28 PM, JDruc3737 [at] aol.com wrote: I know it's been asked before...anyone out there have or know of a "Little Wonder" that is available for rent or loan? TIA Jeff Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College 845-758-7956 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:35:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Circus folk...what do they know? :-) Traditionally, a becket is the tie off point on a tackle block. On one end of the block is a hook to suspend the block and tackle assembly and on the other end of that same block is the tie off point for the dead end of the line. That's the becket. Speaking of circus folk (sort of) I finally saw KA last weekend along with LOVE. LOVE is a fun show with GREAT! sound. The opening bit is really nice too. However, if you see KA the same weekend, you kinda forget what LOVE was about. KA sorta overshadows everything. It's pretty awesome what a couple hundred million will buy. KA is, to say the least, an awesome experience. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. On 2/14/07 10:26 PM, "KEITH ARSENAULT" wrote: > I have heard circus folk refer to the same thing as a "becket" (sic) ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <03B8A4A8-FE7A-447E-90E7-5E9BE50064A0 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:37:11 -0500 thankey Unca Bill, , , I will correct my circus friends the next time they use the term incorrectly, , , and then run like HELL ! : - ) Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 14, 2007, at 10:35 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: Circus folk...what do they know? :-) Traditionally, a becket is the tie off point on a tackle block. On one end of the block is a hook to suspend the block and tackle assembly and on the other end of that same block is the tie off point for the dead end of the line. That's the becket. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <11B0CFBD-FA2F-4379-B391-E390652076D4 [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:38:04 -0500 I've heard an "Easy Trim Clamp" refered to as a sunday. The Easy Trim Clamp is for hemp systems- it "clamps" the lift lines in a block that allows individual lines to be adjusted. The lines are held by spring- loaded grips and a line can be pulled through to retrim the batten. These blocks also have a "hook" on them onto which sandbags can be clipped. Based on the description, that may be what they are talking about. g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks, > > I think we've been thru this before. I had a call from a friend of > mine who > is a stage manager. They asked me to tell them what a sunday was, > as it came > up in discussions with a house they are touring through. > > I know a sunday to be a smaller diameter line that is wrapped around a > purchase line and use to tie a lineset off when it is out of > weight. The > production in question apparently is somehow (don't ask me how) > using a > sunday to "Level off" a lineset that had a scenic piece on it that > was hung > not level. > > Am I using this term correctly? > > Am I correct in the statement that an out of weight lineset should > not be > left unsupervised with only a sunday around it? Or is it common > practice to > "permanently, or temporarily sunday something off? > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > Herrick Goldman > Lighting Designer, NYC > www.HGLightingDesign.com > 917-797-3624 > "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness > and in > light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:30:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15497163.1171509782327.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Exactly what I needed. Thanks! On 2/14/07 10:23 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > A "Sunday" is a loop of small diameter wire rope -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:17:50 -0600 Message-Id: <20070215051750.LVND782.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net> > > From: Herrick Goldman > Folks, > > I think we've been thru this before. I had a call from a friend of mine who > is a stage manager. They asked me to tell them what a sunday was, as it came > up in discussions with a house they are touring through. > > I know a sunday to be a smaller diameter line that is wrapped around a > purchase line and use to tie a lineset off when it is out of weight. The > production in question apparently is somehow (don't ask me how) using a > sunday to "Level off" a lineset that had a scenic piece on it that was hung > not level. > > Am I using this term correctly? Not really. > Am I correct in the statement that an out of weight lineset should not be > left unsupervised with only a sunday around it? Or is it common practice to > "permanently, or temporarily sunday something off? I think you're thinking of a snubline. A sunday is a loop of "small stuff" used primarily in hemphouse rigging to attach sandbags to a working lineset in lieu if a clew block; it's tied around the working lines in a Prussick Hitch and the bags are then hooked to the resulting loop. You can then level the out-of-level piece or batten by pulling the too-long rope(s) through the sunday 'til whatever's kattywhumpus is leveled out. AS Bill would say: 'Zat help? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:33:01 -0600 Message-Id: <20070215053301.LWWY782.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net> > > From: gregg hillmar > Date: 2007/02/14 Wed PM 09:38:04 CST > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I've heard an "Easy Trim Clamp" refered to as a sunday. Technically, it's a clew block, rather than a true sunday. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Violating Gravity in a Theatre Near You! ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:49:59 GMT Subject: Re: Oklahoma prop Message-Id: <20070214.215005.15672.1190353 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Dear Jeff, For liability purposes, I do not think you want the real thing in the = hands of an actor... /s/ Richard ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:23:53 -0800 Not meaning to confuse things but here's another, slightly different (and presumably archaic) definition: To a long-retired hemp flyman here, a Sunday was a small rope around 4' long with a soft eye spliced into each end. It served the same function as these new-fangled wire-rope loops, 'cept it was attached to the line-set by means of a bag-tie or barrel knot. th _________________________________________________________________ Find out the restaurants participating in Winterlicious http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=43.658648~-79.383962&style=r&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3702663&cid=7ABE80D1746919B4!1329 From January 26 to February 8, 2007 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:46:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c750e6$31e10880$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > A sunday is a loop of > "small stuff" used primarily in hemphouse rigging to attach > sandbags to a working lineset in lieu if a clew block; ...For those riggers who are without a clew.... ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1142 ******************************