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Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Bill Sapsis 2. Re: Theatre Recomnedations by "Paul Schreiner" 3. Re: Theatre Recomnedations by "Don Taco" 4. Re: Theatre Recomnedations by KEITH ARSENAULT 5. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by KEITH ARSENAULT 6. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by "Brian Munroe" 7. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Rigger 8. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by "Bill Nelson" 10. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by KEITH ARSENAULT 11. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by "Bill Nelson" 12. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Herrick Goldman 14. Re: Steel Toes on Plane... by "Will Leonard" 15. Re: Steel Toed Boots by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 16. Re: Personal Contact by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 17. Re: Steel Toed Boots by Pat Kight 18. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by Michael Millar 19. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by June Abernathy 20. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Herrick Goldman 21. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by "Bill Nelson" 22. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Bill Sapsis 23. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by "Thea Cooper" 24. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Herrick Goldman 25. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by Andrew Vance 26. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Andrew Vance 27. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by KEITH ARSENAULT 28. Re: Steel Toed Boots by "Tony Miller" 29. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by "Bill Nelson" 30. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Stephen Rees 31. Re: Trip to Ca. by Chip Wood 32. Re: Oklahoma prop by "Kurt Cypher" 33. An announcement by Bill Sapsis 34. Re: Craftsman by Chip Wood 35. Re: An announcement by "Frank E. Merrill" 36. Re: Steel Toed Boots by Chip Wood 37. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by 38. Re: Theatre Recomnedations by 39. real thing vs. "prop" thing by "David R. Krajec" 40. Re: An announcement by Bill Sapsis 41. Re: Theater Recommendations by "Lon Butcher" 42. Re: Theatre Recomnedations by 43. Re: An announcement by "Scott Parker" 44. Re: new pyro product (price) by "Nathan Kahn" 45. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Rigger 46. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing by "Paul Schreiner" 47. Re: An announcement by Bill Sapsis 48. Re: Theater Recommendations by "Dirk Van Pernis" 49. Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by "Scott Parker" 50. Re: An announcement by Rigger 51. Re: Steel Toed Boots by Rigger 52. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Rigger 53. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by Rigger 54. Re: Cell phones on a call & in your shop [nee Smokers] by "C. Dopher" 55. Re: An announcement by Steve Shelley 56. Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? by Greg Williams 57. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 58. Re: An announcement by Greg Williams 59. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification by Jeff Grams 60. Re: Craftsman by Stephen Litterst 61. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing by Stephen Litterst 62. Re: An announcement by Bill Sapsis 63. Re: Craftsman by KEITH ARSENAULT 64. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by Steve Bailey 65. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing by KEITH ARSENAULT 66. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing by KEITH ARSENAULT 67. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by KEITH ARSENAULT 68. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by Rigger 69. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by Rigger 70. Re: Welder Suggestions by Stuart Wheaton 71. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by gregg hillmar 72. Windows Vista & HogPC by "Scott Parker" 73. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? by Andrew Vance 74. Re: Windows Vista & HogPC by John McKernon *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:13:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Confusion reigns. Panic in the streets. Stock market crashes. Herrick, save us! Where is it that Dave and I disagree *this* time? And why do you think Dave is wrong...again? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. On 2/16/07 1:48 AM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ok Dave and Bill. I've waited patiently for about 14 hours. Are either of > you going to address the fact that one of your definitions may be wrong? Or > that POSSIBLY there are two definitions of the same thing? > > Or did I just misunderstand? I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just > trying to clarify. Really.... > > I am > > > On 2/16/07 1:36 AM, "Rigger" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> Ummmmmmmmm.... I think not. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:32:35 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations In-Reply-To: References:

> Be sure to have enough storage space, reasonably close to the stage, for all > the crap that is going to have to go on your stage at some point or another, > ie orchestra chairs, stands, risers (a big space eater) ...lecterns, tables & cloths & skirts, flags... ...a grand piano... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <06f101c751c7$baf8fc90$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:41:06 -0800 >> Be sure to have enough storage space, reasonably close to the stage, for >> all >> the crap that is going to have to go on your stage at some point or >> another, > > ...lecterns, tables & cloths & skirts, flags... > Oh, come on! Everybody knows that the lectern gets stored in that little nook in front of the stage manager's desk, preventing access to it. Why break with tradition? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:16:32 -0500 for the record, , I have never been in a theatre say two years old, never, where they didn't say "gee I wish we had built more storage space" or one that said "gee we just have way too much storage space!" The need for storage space, even for just the "original equipment" ordered with the building, risers, orchestra shell, grand piano not to mention lighting and soft goods that for one reason or another are not in use at any given time will always be some factor more than the space that the designers have alloted. You can NEVER have too much storage space. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Don Taco wrote: Oh, come on! Everybody knows that the lectern gets stored in that little nook in front of the stage manager's desk, preventing access to it. Why break with tradition? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6B5BA87A-EAA9-4929-B385-89FEFA5F8B6D [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:39:03 -0500 i think you are confusing "quotes" I don't think Dave was disagreeing with Bill, , but with someone else, , Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote: Confusion reigns. Panic in the streets. Stock market crashes. Herrick, save us! Where is it that Dave and I disagree *this* time? And why do you think Dave is wrong...again? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:43:17 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/16/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Herrick, save us! Where is it that Dave and I disagree *this* time? And > why do you think Dave is wrong...again? I think that Herrick was responding to Dave saying: > >> Ummmmmmmmm.... I think not. which was in response to Brian Rice saying "No counterweight there, and please no clew blocks, their real name is Knuckle buster" I believe that Brian Rice is referring to a trim clamp (http://www.mutualhardware.com/product_description2.cfm?pid=531 or http://snipurl.com/trimclamp) and Dave was indicating that a trim clamp is not a knuckle buster (http://www.mutualhardware.com/product_description2.cfm?pid=535 or http://snipurl.com/knuckle). Incidently, I have used knuckle busters as a back-up stop, to prevent a lineset from traveling too far past its in trim in case the flyman blows his move. Herrick, stick to lighting :) Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:01:58 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification At 1:48 AM -0500 2/16/07, Herrick Goldman wrote: >Ok Dave and Bill. I've waited patiently for about 14 hours. Are either of >you going to address the fact that one of your definitions may be wrong? Or >that POSSIBLY there are two definitions of the same thing? What?? Bill and I said basically the same thing! -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No one gets to Heaven 'til they've lived a while in Hell" --Dio, "Magica" ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Steel toed boots on an airplane? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A076F867E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Up until about 4 months ago, steel toed boots and sandals=20 > were all I owned. =20 Nice to know I'm not alone in this... :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1808.205.215.253.16.1171635381.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:16:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? From: "Bill Nelson" >> Up until about 4 months ago, steel toed boots and sandals >> were all I owned. > > Nice to know I'm not alone in this... :) No, you are not alone. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <56BA1E28-4578-424A-B5EF-8B71ABF9B4EB [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:21:26 -0500 what are steel toed sandals like ? do they rust at the beach ? is it some tradition that started with hard helmet sponge divers ? Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bill Nelson wrote: >> Up until about 4 months ago, steel toed boots and sandals >> were all I owned. > > Nice to know I'm not alone in this... :) No, you are not alone. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1818.205.215.253.16.1171635902.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:25:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? From: "Bill Nelson" > what are steel toed sandals like ? > > do they rust at the beach ? > > is it some tradition that started with hard helmet sponge divers ? No, idea. I don't wear steel toed sandals at the beach. :-} Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Steel toed boots on an airplane? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:28:46 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A076F86A7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > > what are steel toed sandals like ? > > > > is it some tradition that started with hard helmet sponge divers ? Is that some newly-discovered species? What's the fascination with diving for hard-helmeted sponges? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:51:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32262668.1171624739877.JavaMail.root [at] m41> For the record I never said Dave was wrong. Don't make him get the guns. Now that I've looked side by side your definitions are similar but Dave said I wasn't correct while you said I was...hmmm.....I'm so confused. Bill said: " A "Sunday" is a loop of small diameter wire rope that is choked around another line or bundle of lines and used to hold thos lines together and keep them from moving. A sandbag is hung from a hemp set bundle by means of a "Sunday". Dave said: " Not really. I think you're thinking of a snubline. A sunday is a loop of "small stuff" used primarily in hemphouse rigging to attach sandbags to a working lineset in lieu if a clew block; it's tied around the working lines in a Prussick Hitch and the bags are then hooked to the resulting loop. You can then level the out-of-level piece or batten by pulling the too-long rope(s) through the sunday 'til whatever's kattywhumpus is leveled out." So am I thinking of a Sunday, used at the rail to tie off and manage out of weight linesets, or a Snubline? It sounds like Sundays can do both? On 2/16/07 6:13 AM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Confusion reigns. Panic in the streets. Stock market crashes. > > Herrick, save us! Where is it that Dave and I disagree *this* time? And > why do you think Dave is wrong...again? > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ETCP Council Member > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. > July 29 - August 6, 2007. > > > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Steel Toes on Plane... Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:02:03 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Will Leonard" Big Fred, I just got back from a trip to Key West & wore my steel toe boots. (They're the best shoes I own for walking a lot, much to my wife's chagrin.) I didn't have any problem at the airports; I just took them off at security & set them through the x-ray machine.=20 - Will Leonard O: 334-271-5365 C: 334-294-3714 =20 Sometimes you just have to ask yourself: WWJCD? (What Would Johnny Cash Do?) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <18773594.1171642203730.JavaMail.? [at] fh031.dia.cp.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Steel Toed Boots <<> Just a quick question: has anyone had any problems flying while > wearing steel-toed boots?>> After seeing an 80 year old gray haired grandmother up against the wall at the Kona Airport as she was one selected for intense searching before boarding her flight to Oahu, I got to wondering... has anything dangerous been found in any of the millions of shoes that have been examined? ... or are we going to have to keep going through this because of that one bozo? Also a local columnist had a 4 oz. personal shampoo bottle confiscated by security as the limit was 3.5 oz. The bottle was less than 1/2 full. The columnist figured it was the empty space that was the danger. What's happened to thinking? Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <27247537.1171642423109.JavaMail.? [at] fh031.dia.cp.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:13:43 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Personal Contact ALoha, I have had several list members contact me personally with questions. I certainly don't mind this and usually answer them if I can. However, I often find later that they have also posted the identical letter to the list so I feel compelled to answer yet again. I read the list so if you ask there, you don't have to ask me personally. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D5DB78.6080704 [at] peak.org> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:27:36 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Steel Toed Boots References: In-Reply-To: > What's happened to thinking? Thinking is prohibited under articl 12, section 6, sub 4b of the Homeland Security Act. For the foreseeable future, the Homeland will do our thinking for us. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D5DDB0.806 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:37:04 -0800 From: Michael Millar Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? References: In-Reply-To: As a frequent traveler (once a week or more on average), you must take you shoes off for security screening. Steel toes should be fine. They scan for the metal in them anyway, as most shoes have metal shanks. Don't forget the stupid new liquid rule. You can buy your bottled water o the other side of security for the jacked up price, you just can't bring your own through security. I hate checking bags, so careful with that axe, Eugene. If you haven't traveled in a while, check out the TSA's page. The videos are somewhat useful. http://tinyurl.com/ptxdw. Safe travels, Michael Millar Technical Consultant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:39:34 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Message-ID: <588282.10723.qm [at] web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Herrick, I'm not sure where your confusion came from. AFAIK, Dave and Uncle Bill have not contradicted each other on this thread. What I've gathered is: 1) Sunday - either a loop of wire rope or actual rope or cord smaller than the diameter of the lift lines, which is tied to trap a bundle of system lines so that a lineset can be tied off, weighted, or leveled. A "Clew Block" is a wooden device which traps the lines for the same purpose. b. richie referred to a Clew Block as a "knuckle buster", which Dave took exception to. I assume that one could indeed bust one's knuckles on a clew block, but the term "knuckle buster", to a flyman, refers to a specific piece of hardware: 2) Knuckle Buster - a small piece of hardware designed to clamp around a rope to provide a mechanical stopping point for a flown piece. Dave also made reference to a: 3)Snub - a smaller diameter line tied around the lineset rope and back to the locking rail (specifically one that is out of balance) to hold it in place, keep it from slipping the lock and running. Many people use the term "Sunday" for this "Snub" application. I've heard both terms, or combinations therof, for that for years. (Like "Put a Sunday on that line to snub it off until we can get the weight shifted") Sometimes the flyman will tie off a lineset that has something on it for a specific show that should not be moved. (A chandelier, a crossover pipe, something like that). Either tied like a snub, or just the front and back lines tied together. I have heard that referred to as a "Sunday" on the line as well. This thread has not yet mentioned the other common method(s) of snubbing off a lineset - an axe handle, broom handle, or the like twisted through the front and back lines, or an "Uncle Buddy" or similar wire frame device made to similarly engage the front and back lines and keep a lineset from slipping. If my memory serves me correctly, Dave and Bill and others frown on these devices. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:49:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31572985.1171644022334.JavaMail.root [at] m41> June, Thanks for the coherent re-clarification. Indeed I think I was confused by the use of Snub and Sunday as I have known a snub to be a Sunday. So in my mind in Bill's post rather than picturing the lift lines I was picturing a purchase line. So when Dave's post mentioned a snub line and said I was incorrect, which I was. It confused me because Bill said I was correct, but he misunderstood me. So there ya have it. I'll go sit a console now and make something light up. :) Thanks. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2164.205.215.253.16.1171644866.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:54:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: "Bill Nelson" > A "Clew Block" is a wooden device which traps the > lines for the same purpose. Never heard of a clew block outside of sailing, where it is attached to the clew of a sail. What is being described would be a type of a mechanical stopper. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:58:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sunday. Loop of rope or wire rope used in a choke fashion around a group or bundle of other ropes. Snub line. Length of rope tied around the operating line of a counterweight set and tied off to the locking rail or other stout object. (Not to Dave, though. He can't stand still that long) If a loop is used in place of a snub, then it's a Sunday doing a snub line's job. Which is fine. In other words A Sunday can be a snub line but a snub line cannot be a Sunday. There. Have I managed to confuse things even further? Then my job is done here. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. On 2/16/07 9:51 AM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > For the record I never said Dave was wrong. Don't make him get the guns. > > Now that I've looked side by side your definitions are similar but Dave said > I wasn't correct while you said I was...hmmm.....I'm so confused. > > Bill said: " > A "Sunday" is a loop of small diameter wire rope that is choked around > another line or bundle of lines and used to hold thos lines together and > keep them from moving. A sandbag is hung from a hemp set bundle by means of > a "Sunday". > > Dave said: > > " Not really. > > I think you're thinking of a snubline. A sunday is a loop of "small stuff" > used primarily in hemphouse rigging to attach sandbags to a working lineset > in lieu if a clew block; it's tied around the working lines in a Prussick > Hitch and the bags are then hooked to the resulting loop. You can then level > the out-of-level piece or batten by pulling the too-long rope(s) through the > sunday 'til whatever's kattywhumpus is leveled out." > > > So am I thinking of a Sunday, used at the rail to tie off and manage out of > weight linesets, or a Snubline? It sounds like Sundays can do both? > > > > > On 2/16/07 6:13 AM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Confusion reigns. Panic in the streets. Stock market crashes. >> >> Herrick, save us! Where is it that Dave and I disagree *this* time? And >> why do you think Dave is wrong...again? >> >> Bill S. >> ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre >> ETCP Council Member >> www.sapsis-rigging.com >> 800.727.7471 >> 267.278.4561 mobile >> >> Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. >> July 29 - August 6, 2007. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6ef616600702160901u4f3565d8wb7b481de5a3f3638 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:01:22 -0500 From: "Thea Cooper" Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification In-Reply-To: References: > If my > memory serves me correctly, Dave and Bill and others > frown on these devices. So... what's wrong with an Uncle Buddy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:06:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18240129.1171645258185.JavaMail.root [at] m41> There ya go. On 2/16/07 11:58 AM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > > In other words A Sunday can be a snub line but a snub line cannot be a > Sunday. > > There. Have I managed to confuse things even further? Then my job is done > here. > > Bill S. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <4F4EA37D-73F6-48B1-8819-A6575F238BB1 [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:10:16 -0500 On 16 Feb, 2007, at 11:37 , Michael Millar wrote: > You can buy your bottled water o the other side of security for the > jacked up price, you just can't bring your own through security. I haven't had a problem bringing an empty water bottle through security and filling it up at one of the ubiquitous water fountains on the other side of security. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:15:59 -0500 On 15 Feb, 2007, at 21:11 , Herrick Goldman wrote: > But I'll be on the Cape in June and August both in Ptown and > Brewster..anyone else want to come play? Let me know. Well, you know I'm close by if you need help with anything. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <67924805-87DF-4687-AAD3-2DFC17A4B3C5 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:20:59 -0500 while we are on the airport security subject, ,, this past november, I accidently had two razor knifes (plastic handle / snap off blade) in my brief case / lap top bag. I usually am very good about NEVER putting anything in my brief case that would ever be an issue in security as I travel frequently. I had just done a number of events in a nearby city that I had driven back and forth to, so I guess I had forgotten my "rule" The knifes were not caught by security at Tampa International, , and I did not discover that they were there until arrival in Chicago later that day, , I was searching for some paperwork, , put my hand done in one of the many slots in my briefcase / lap top bag and pulled them out, , it took about 5 - 10 sec for it to sink in that I had taken them through security. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- There ya go. On 2/16/07 11:58 AM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > > In other words A Sunday can be a snub line but a snub line cannot > be a > Sunday. > > There. Have I managed to confuse things even further? Then my job > is done > here. > > Bill S. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:32:09 +0000 From: "Tony Miller" Cc: paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net (paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net) Subject: Re: Steel Toed Boots In-Reply-To: References: A fool in the UK was banned from taking a 75cl bottle of vodka onto a plane so he drank it down in one and by the time he got to the gate he was banned from the plane because he was too drunk to stand up. I think he must have been having a day off when the brains were handed out Tony Miller. On 16/02/07, paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net wrote: > Also a local columnist had a 4 oz. personal shampoo bottle confiscated > by security as the limit was 3.5 oz. > > The bottle was less than 1/2 full. > > The columnist figured it was the empty space that was the danger. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2247.205.215.253.16.1171647211.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <18240129.1171645258185.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: "Bill Nelson" > In other words A Sunday can be a snub line but a snub line cannot be a > Sunday. Actually, that should read "A Sunday can be a snub line, but not all snub lines are Sundays." Bill N ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:44:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: No you didn't. It is a question, it seems, of "snub" being both a noun and a verb. Could probably apply the same thought to both Sunday and Clew as well. Steve R On 2/16/07 11:58 AM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > There. Have I managed to confuse things even further? Then my job is done > here. > > Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D5EF05.5020602 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:51:01 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Trip to Ca. References: In-Reply-To: Michael Powers wrote: > Chris, I'll be passng through Phoenix but probably about halfway > through a driving stint, so I'll slow down to ground speed and wave as > I go by. > Chris is in Tucson (Middle Of Nowhere), I'm in Phoenix (Middle of LA East). Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:12:40 -0500 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: Oklahoma prop In-Reply-To: References: On 2/15/07, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > Yet, most often, if the propmaster or propmistress can get the real > thing rather than searching for or creating a substitute, they will > select the real thing, particularly if it costs less. > /s/ Richard > Except when the director decides that it just doesn't look "real" to him or her, even though it's more "real" than anything you could possibly build within the standard time/budget constraints, and everyone around you is agreeing that this is definitely more "real" than what the director thinks is "real". Been there, done that, might even still have a T-shirt from that particular community theater production. Luckily, we were able to dress it up to "realify" it enough to satisfy the director, and still keep it fairly close to authentic. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:14:45 -0500 Subject: An announcement From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greetings folks. I have some news I think you'll find interesting. Back in the fall, Bill Conner posted a note about a possible conference he had heard about. At that point it was simply a rumor and he didn't know who was putting it together. Well, it's no longer a rumor. It's real and I'm producing it. The North American Engineering and Architecture Conference (NATEAC) will take place over two days in July, 2008 in New York City. The goal of this conference is to provide a forum to establish a dialog between the people responsible for designing, building, outfitting and using performance spaces. The idea is to put architects, consultants, engineers and end users into a series of panels so they can talk about the needs of performance spaces in the 21st century. This conference is modeled after two hugely successful conferences, one in 2002 and the latest this past summer, produced by Richard Brett in London. I spoke at the one this past June and, in spite of that, the conference was nothing short of miraculous. For the most part ego's were left at the door and honest and passionate dialog went on inside. Richard, along with a number of other very talented people, have graciously agreed to sit on my Advisory Board. The list is on the website . Richard is planning to hold his conference on a four year cycle. I plan to do the same with NATEAC. But, to complement his conference by running NATEAC in between the London one. That way there would be a conference every two years, first in Great Britain and then in the States. I do not have exact dates yet and the location is under discussion. I expect to have those two elements wrapped up shortly and announced on the website. (Especially if I can meet up with a certain list-member sometime next week.) This is not a USITT or an LDI. There will be no trade show or exhibit hall. There will be no PDW's. What there will be are 2 days of panel discussions between the top people in their various disciplines. Attendance will be on a first come, first served basis and it will be limited. I do not know yet exactly how much the registration fee will be but preliminary expense figures tell me it will not be cheap. I'm announcing the conference here first because you guys have been my friends for a very long time now and I wanted you to know about it before anyone else. I will be announcing to the trades in about a week or so. I value your opinions, even yours, Dave, and I welcome all suggestions and comments. Have a look at the website. It's very lean at the moment but it's a start (You'll recognize another list-member, Greg Williams as the TD of the event.) Have a suggestion for the website? An idea on a panel topic? I'd like to hear about it. But please remember that this conference in not specifically about production. It's about making sure that new theatres are built to address the problems and possibilities that face us in the coming years. I am particularly interested in end users of recently opened facilities. I'll be giving you updates as this thing grows and starts to come together. I gotta tell you, I am very excited about the possibilities. Thanks Be well Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D5F626.3010802 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:21:26 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Craftsman References:

In-Reply-To: Tim Catlett wrote: > Typically, my questions in these places are of the "Where are the...?" > variety. This is usually met with the response that "The rep doesn't > give us any." or "We stopped stocking those because they don't sell > well." Either response is ridiculous in a hardware store/lumber yard. > My Dad owned a mom and pop hardware store for about 10 years. People would come to him, ask lots of time-consuming detailed questions, and then go about a mile down to the road to the big box and buy it for 10% less. Or they would come to him after the big box didn't stock it and complain that he charged to much, even if he was the only place in town that did stock it. He went out of business. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:21:36 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <11612496.20070216132136 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: An announcement In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Friday, February 16, 2007, Unka Bill wrote: > The North American Engineering and Architecture Conference (NATEAC) will > take place over two days in July, 2008 in New York City. From=20the NATEAC letters, I'm surmising that "Theatrical" is in the title between "American" and "Engineering". Great idea, Bill! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com=20 This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spellin= g and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be consid= ered flaws or defects. =20 Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplig= hter [at] tcon.net =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D5FA8D.7000802 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:40:13 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Steel Toed Boots References: In-Reply-To: > <<> Just a quick question: has anyone had any problems flying while >> wearing steel-toed boots?>> Wouldn't the riggers have to beef up the flying lines? Peter Pan never wore steel-toed shoes, I bet. Oh, this wasn't stagecraft related? Never mind! Chip ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:40:53 +0000 Message-Id: <20070216184051.KIJW29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Rigger > Date: 2007/02/16 Fri AM 06:37:45 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 4:41 PM -0600 2/15/07, Fred Schoening, Jr. wrote: > > >Just a quick question: has anyone had any problems flying > >while wearing steel-toed boots? Having broken my arm badly last year, there is a large metal plate in it. To my surprise, this does not seem to worry the metal detectors at all. On the other hand, I have had a pocket corkscrew confiscated. > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:57:16 +0000 Message-Id: <20070216185716.XYAV219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Paul Schreiner" > Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 12:32:35 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > ...a grand piano... > I suggest that these need stored well away from the stage. I was once in a High School, where I taught stage lighting. When I visited the get-in of a show, there were two students STANDING on the lid, painting a flat, with cans of paint on it. This is no way to treat an 8' Steinway grand. Back when I was at university, the Students' Union had two pianos, one in each hall. The large hall has an 8' Steinway, and the smaller a 6' Bechstein. Both were covered in rings from beer glasses and cigarette burns on the keys. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: real thing vs. "prop" thing Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:03:19 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As always, we have to be careful what we give actors to play with. A number of years ago, a local production of Pagliacci had a "near death" experience. The director place the play in a 20th century context (kinda like gangster, Sicily feel). When Pagliacci becomes enraged, he was to pull out a knife, accidently stab the soprano, drop the knife in shock and then, in a fit of rage, pick up the knife and stab the tenor. The director wanted to see the "exciting" visual of the blade popping out similar to a jackknife or stilleto (illegal around here). The props master offered the director a real, sharp knife that would satisfy that look. This was performed in a huge house from which only the first three rows could read the knife. In rehearsal, the tenor leaned into the stab and (simultaneously), the release mechanism on the knife didn't function. This put three inches of steel into his abdomen. Ouch!!! With three days to opening, they had to fly in and rehearse a new tenor. Oh, and replace the knife which was confiscated by the police. They used the plastic, spring-loaded fake knife available everywhere. Worked just fine for the stage. David K. PS - why do need gore on the little wonder? It doesn't really get anybody. Ali stops Curly before he puts out his eye. Just curious. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:05:30 -0500 Subject: Re: An announcement From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Uh, er, um ....... "Theatre" actually. North American Theatre Engineering and Architecture Conference Sigh. Several of us looked at this note before I sent it. We found other typos, but not this one. Ah well. Thanks Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. . On 2/16/07 1:21 PM, "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Friday, February 16, 2007, Unka Bill wrote: > >> The North American Engineering and Architecture Conference (NATEAC) will >> take place over two days in July, 2008 in New York City. > > From the NATEAC letters, I'm surmising that "Theatrical" is in the > title between "American" and "Engineering". > > Great idea, Bill! > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT > Indianapolis > Established 1946 > www.merrillstage.com > > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar > enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects. > > Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 > mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net > > > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Theater Recommendations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:12:07 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: From: "Lon Butcher" Greetings to the list, Since I haven't seen in mentioned yet...don't forget the costume folk for road shows. A good costume room plenty of power for irons and steamers, two sets of washers/dryers (stackers work well), and room for road cases to move in and out. Don't forget space for plenty of costume cases either in the dressing rooms or in the adjacent hallways. A crossover isle behind the stage wide enough for cases is popular for shows with quick changes. Subject: Re: Re: Theatre Recomnedations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:13:20 +0000 Message-Id: <20070216191318.YEHF219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: KEITH ARSENAULT > Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 01:16:32 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Theatre Recomnedations > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > or one that said > > "gee we just have way too much storage space!" > > The need for storage space, even for just the "original equipment" > ordered with the building, risers, orchestra shell, grand piano not > to mention lighting and soft goods that for one reason or another are > not in use at any given time will always be some factor more than the > space that the designers have alloted. > > You can NEVER have too much storage space. > Almost true. The problem can be alleviated by hiring space at a distance. This is what London theatres do with sets for possible revivals. The snag is that it involves you in a major inventory control problem, and trucking costs. But you don't want your theatre to be an adjunct to a storage facility. We jusy about manage to keep it under control, with stock flats stored in the workshop, together with doors and windows. There are two smallish stores for furniture, and small props live in the cellars of the old house on the site. Both the workshop mamager and the props mistress need a ruthless streak, and the occasional dumpster. I have lost track of the number of swords I have made for the theatre, but I can find very few of them. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702161113hf364dd2h43aacee3160e6cd [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:13:39 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: An announcement In-Reply-To: References:

Hey Bill, Another typo.... It's .org, not .com Cheers, Scott On 2/16/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: The list is on the website > . -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270702161117t506b6b62i14fd911780b404e9 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:17:09 -0500 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) In-Reply-To: References:

Naah . . . you guys are way low. I can't see it retailing for less than $200. Nathan -- Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutionsusa.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:24:49 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification At 11:58 AM -0500 2/16/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: >Snub line. Length of rope tied around the operating line of a counterweight >set and tied off to the locking rail or other stout object. (Not to Dave, >though. He can't stand still that long) I'm actually not all that stout any more, either. :P~~~~~ -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and tasting it to see how much you should put in. Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is uncovered. If you need a different amount of sugar, you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling fan blades." -- Unknown ------------------------------ Subject: RE: real thing vs. "prop" thing Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:27:24 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07796479 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > In rehearsal, the tenor leaned into the stab and=20 > (simultaneously), the release mechanism on the knife didn't=20 > function. This put three inches of steel into his abdomen. Ouch!!! >=20 > With three days to opening, they had to fly in and rehearse a=20 > new tenor. > Oh, and replace the knife which was confiscated by the=20 > police. They used the plastic, spring-loaded fake knife=20 > available everywhere. Worked just fine for the stage. BTW, we've been down this road before (though it's been a couple of years)... I, for one, would not trust an actor's health and well-being to the spring mechanism in those cheap 98-cent fake knives. Real blade, dulled, and get a choreographer to teach how NOT to drive the force down through the point of the knife. Only way I'd ever consent to doing a scene like this. And if the actor is too dense to get it, hire a new actor. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:28:46 -0500 Subject: Re: An announcement From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Aaaarrrrggggghhhhh. Ah well. Guess it's better that I get all my mistakes over with early on, eh? is the correct site. Thanks Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. On 2/16/07 2:13 PM, "Scott Parker" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Bill, > Another typo.... It's .org, not .com > Cheers, Scott > > On 2/16/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: > The list is on the website >> . ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Theater Recommendations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:27:50 -0500 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F770849B [at] stage.OTC.local> In-Reply-To: References:

From: "Dirk Van Pernis" =20 Make sure your doorways are wide enough for man lifts, hampers, road cases, etc. Dirk Van Pernis - OTC ME ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702161130w48badbe0t9d98c3ccbf3fe3c8 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:30:31 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? Hello All, Has anyone ventured into the world of MS Vista yet? I here that it might not allow virtual machines. HogPC creates a virtual Linux world for itself and I'm wondering if it will work. I assume that other off-line editors and such do the same thing. -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:28:16 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: An announcement At 1:14 PM -0500 2/16/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: > I value your opinions, even yours, Dave... I may have been born at night, Bill, but it wasn't *last* night... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:29:12 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Steel Toed Boots At 11:40 AM -0700 2/16/07, Chip Wood wrote: >> <<> Just a quick question: has anyone had any problems flying while >>> wearing steel-toed boots?>> > > Wouldn't the riggers have to beef up the flying lines? Peter Pan > never wore steel-toed shoes, I bet. Naah; add another quarter-brick of counterweight and Bob's yer uncle. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net What exactly is "viewer discretion"? If viewers had any discretion, most TV shows wouldn't be on the air. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:37:45 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification At 12:01 PM -0500 2/16/07, Thea Cooper wrote: >> If my >> memory serves me correctly, Dave and Bill and others >> frown on these devices. > > So... what's wrong with an Uncle Buddy? There is the opinion that the device unevenly loads the floorblock of an out-of-weight lineset, putting more strain on one line than the other. Personally, I don't frown on their use for certain situations - heck, *I* use one for locking off a balanced or ner-balanced lineset that needs to remain unmoving - however they're not the greatest thing for controlling the movement of a grossly out-of-weight lineset, any more than using the rail lock is. I do, however, frown a great deal on twisting an axe handle/hockey stick/oak dowel/steel pipe/whatever in the liftlines and jamming it back into the T-track; if that sucker gets out of control in a heavy lineset, you're liable to lose an eye when it comes 'round and smacks you in the face. I've seen it happen more than I care to remember. Over to you, Bill... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net The reason they call it "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe in it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:39:36 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? At 2:30 PM -0500 2/16/07, Scott Parker wrote: >Has anyone ventured into the world of MS Vista yet? I've been using it for years, only we call it MacOS X. (running, ducking, &c.) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he machine-gunned the survivors ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: Cell phones on a call & in your shop [nee Smokers] Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:41:12 -0500 Jim Hyslop wrote: > Barney Simon wrote: >> Okay,I will not get into the smoker thing, BUT what are people's >> policies on cell phones? The attitude I get is that taking calls is >> almost a right. > I always viewed it as a Pavlovian response: most people just cannot > ignore a phone that is ringing, and feel they must answer it. > >> [Not to sound TOO old, but] these days it seems that everyone from >> checkout clerks at the supermarket to bus drivers feel it is okay to >> chat away on their cell phones while working. > I don't agree, especially in the case of a driver. Maybe I'm old > school, > but I strongly believe that personal calls and business do not mix. I'm going to have to agree with Barney, it does indeed seem "that everyone [else] ... FEELS it is okay to chat away..." I have gone so far as to ask tellers, checkers, and drivers to end their call while they deal with me. It has been my observation that supervisors are quick to back me up. I suppose that makes me an asshole. But I'll also agree with you, Jim, that personal calls and business do not mix. I'll take it a couple steps further: When I was running NYU Dep of Music's theatres, my rules were that NO personal business interfere with my employees work during their hours. That went for workstudies, overhires, and fireguards inclusive, and covered everything from personal calls to visits from their sweetie (dropping off lunch is fine; staying and chatting for 15 minutes is not). If you've got time to chit-chat, you've got time to sort bolts or push a broom. The only marginal exception was that if truly nothing was happening on their watch, they could bring their books and get homework done (hey, they were students after all). I suppose that makes me an asshole, too. Another step further: phones and nearly anything else don't mix. Because phones are now wireless, we have the physical freedom to move about and attempt other activities while chatting. As with many other freedoms, abuse of this privilege leads to stupid action. Obviously, drivers on cell phones are impaired to some degree, but so are people who are walking down the sidewalk. Watch someone do this, chat and walk down the sidewalk. They weave, even moreso than other distracted people. They stop for no reason, turn oddly, have bad timing, don't let others pass them, don't even HEAR what's going on around them, cross against lights, and generally have the deer-in-the- headlights look. My theory is, and so far no psychiatry or mental health research that I've found backs me up on this, is that when one is on the phone, one's "body of attention" is no longer in one's immediate physical vicinity and THAT's what creates all the problems. One can still manage to listen to radio, chat with passengers, and even eat lunch while driving - the body of attention is still within the vehicle, if not perfectly on the 200 feet of road in front of the vehicle. But on a cell phone, the body of attention is distinctly, wholely, and matter-of-factly removed, particularly when the call is considered important. When the call is not considered important, and the driver may be putting more attention on the road than the caller (and I'm often the victim of this), the caller gets short shrift and the conversation is useless. The same arguments apply for walking down the street with a cell phone glued to one's ear or being a Bluetooth Fairy while on the job. It is impossible to attend to the task in front of you if your body of attention is pulled away. My mother, a successful entrepreneur, business manager of a business college, and - later - a banker, taught me that one needs to learn when NOT to answer a phone. No call is truly life or death and all phones take messages. No-one will take offense, they'll simply assume you were out of the office or don't have a signal. Besides, phone calls breaking up the day reduce work efficiency - but answering a string of messages in a discreet block improves efficiency. Uh, oh; I think I'm turning into a Big Brother asshole. Recent research backs up the assertion that being on a phone call contributes to an impaired state. An article in the Oregonian a couple of days ago said that in 2004, .2% of accidents were attributed to being on the phone while in 2005, .7% received that blame. Half of one percent doesn't sound like much, but it is a statistically significant change and one worth looking at. Factor in the number of accidents where a phone was INVOLVED, but not the principle cause of the crash, and the numbers are much higher - enough to alarm most of the highway safety groups out there. New York has a ban on hand-held cell phones while driving, as do a handful of other localities, but I think that ban doesn't go far enough - what's needed is a ban on PHONE CALLS while driving. One's body of attention must remain in the vehicle and on the road. Apparently, some hippy liberals in Oregon think like me, because there are two sets of proposed legislation being looked at right now: one enacts a New York style hand-held ban, while the other looks at the problem the way I do and cracks down on driving "while impaired" - and includes in that definition talking on phone calls, fiddling with your CD collection, screaming at the kids, eating your KFC, or reading Proust while on the I-5 - in fact, any activity that leads to your operation of the vehicle in an observably unsafe manner. Citations have to be based on an officer observing that behavior, just as with any other traffic violation. Sounds good to me! Damn. Thanks for taking the lid off, Jim; I haven't had a good rant like that in some time. :) I love letting the inner asshole out now and then; keeps me sane. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:44:02 -0500 Subject: Re: An announcement From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: All? On 2/16/07 2:28 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Aaaarrrrggggghhhhh. > > Ah well. Guess it's better that I get all my mistakes over with early on, > eh? > > is the correct site. > > Thanks > Bill > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ETCP Council Member > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. > July 29 - August 6, 2007. > > > On 2/16/07 2:13 PM, "Scott Parker" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hey Bill, >> Another typo.... It's .org, not .com >> Cheers, Scott >> >> On 2/16/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: >> The list is on the website >>> . > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Steel toed boots on an airplane? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:48:46 -0500 On Feb 16, 2007, at 1:40 PM, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > On the other hand, I have had a pocket corkscrew confiscated. Perhaps they were trying to tell you that you didn't need a corkscrew to open your pocket? -=Greg Williams=- www.LRLR.org ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:02:54 GMT Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? Message-Id: <20070216.120300.15672.1199639 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Yeah, I am running Vista Ultimate and M$ Office Pro 2007 at one desk. = My reaction is mixed, but I have other machines running each of the = following: Win'95, Win'98, Win'98 v.2, ME, and XP, as well as = Office '97, 2000, 2003, and 2007, so I do not have to emulate = anything. I also have a Mac G3 in the corner; I just dumped my G4s. /s/ Richard ________________________________ At 2:30 PM -0500 2/16/07, Scott Parker wrote: >Has anyone ventured into the world of MS Vista yet? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <56F8E509-DDE4-4DF9-B9AD-F30CF8EDB96F [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: An announcement Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:59:35 -0500 On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Sigh. Several of us looked at this note before I sent it. We > found other > typos, but not this one. Hey! Donna (conference coordinator) and I thought you had changed the name and website! I swear. That's our story and we're sticking to it. -=Greg Williams=- www.LRLR.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:05:00 -0500 From: Jeff Grams Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification In-reply-to: Message-id: <45D60E6C.9090008 [at] saintmarys.edu> References: <18240129.1171645258185.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Sounds like 'Sundays Will Never Be The Same' (yes that one hurt me too) Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> In other words A Sunday can be a snub line but a snub line cannot be a >> Sunday. >> > > Actually, that should read "A Sunday can be a snub line, but not all snub lines are > Sundays." > > Bill N > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D61492.3000004 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:31:14 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Craftsman References:

In-Reply-To: Tim Catlett wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > My rule for Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, etc. is: Never talk to the guy > in the clean hat. If you don't work hard enough to sweat through your > hat, then most likely you can't answer my questions. Or we just take care to keep our hats clean. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D61780.7050101 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:43:44 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing References: In-Reply-To: David R. Krajec wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > As always, we have to be careful what we give actors to play with. A number > of years ago, a local production of Pagliacci had a "near death" experience. > The director place the play in a 20th century context (kinda like gangster, > Sicily feel). > In rehearsal, the tenor leaned into the stab and (simultaneously), the > release mechanism on the knife didn't function. This put three inches of > steel into his abdomen. Ouch!!! During a ballet performance of Romeo & Juliet, the Romeo-Tybalt fight got a little more energy than normal. Romeo was a little too excited and rather than stabbing Tybalt between his arm and abdomen as choreographed, missed and got him full in the stomach. The foil flexed almost to the breaking point before Tybalt was able to react and move away. Fortunately, Tybalt's costume was leather and absorbed most of the damage. It was a nerve-wracking scene backstage as we were all waiting for Tybalt to be carried off at the end of the act. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:08:14 -0500 Subject: Re: An announcement From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I can dream, can't I? On 2/16/07 2:44 PM, "Steve Shelley" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > All? > > > On 2/16/07 2:28 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Aaaarrrrggggghhhhh. >> >> Ah well. Guess it's better that I get all my mistakes over with early on, >> eh? >> >> is the correct site. >> >> Thanks >> Bill >> ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre >> ETCP Council Member >> www.sapsis-rigging.com >> 800.727.7471 >> 267.278.4561 mobile >> >> Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. >> July 29 - August 6, 2007. >> >> ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <7F619D4B-F59E-493B-85D3-94873BEB26A6 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Craftsman Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:40:26 -0500 Steve,, are you working at one of those establishments on the days off ? Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: Tim Catlett wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > My rule for Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, etc. is: Never talk to the guy > in the clean hat. If you don't work hard enough to sweat through your > hat, then most likely you can't answer my questions. Or we just take care to keep our hats clean. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC5095A4 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:40:32 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Rigger [mailto:rigger [at] tds.net] At 2:30 PM -0500 2/16/07, Scott Parker wrote: >Has anyone ventured into the world of MS Vista yet? I've been using it for years, only we call it MacOS X. (running, ducking, &c.) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Dave, You're going to love this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:41:15 -0500 a foil, hitting a competitors shoulder blade ( he had turned into the strike ) and the foil breaking, causing a sharp point where the break was, continued on to pierce his heart and killed him instantly. this was about 15 - 20 years ago in international competition I believe, , Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: The foil flexed almost to the breaking point before Tybalt was able to react and move away. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <5E431C6B-3329-4BA0-92A6-12531E019DA4 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:43:49 -0500 i do have done a ballet R & J where the Romeo - Tybalt fight got a bit out of hand, , they were doing foil and dagger, and rolling on the floor , up and down stairs, etc this two handed style of sword play is probably the most dangerous sort of fighting you can do on stage in my opinion, there were nicks on the hands to be certain, , but the real damage was suffered by scenery, , , Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: During a ballet performance of Romeo & Juliet, the Romeo-Tybalt fight got a little more energy than normal. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:46:40 -0500 yes sir, yes sir, yes sir., ,. . ., haven't a lot of PC magazines just referred to VISTA as a bad copy of OS X ? since you probably need to upgrade or replace you PC to run VISTA ( badly ) why not take the opportunity now to run to your local APPLE store and take a spin ? nows the time to change I'd say. ( ducking behind Vick i have always been a coward at heart ) Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com On Feb 16, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Steve Bailey wrote: I've been using it for years, only we call it MacOS X. (running, ducking, &c.) ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:59:16 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? At 4:40 PM -0500 2/16/07, Steve Bailey wrote: >You're going to love this. >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM Yep; seen it already. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Accepting a teaching that you know to be false, simply because it is a teaching of the Church, is not obedience; it is slavery. Moreover, it is a lie, a sin in and of itself." --Bro. Michael Higgins, in soc.org.freemasonry ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:02:56 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? At 4:46 PM -0500 2/16/07, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > why not take the opportunity now to run to your local APPLE store > and take a spin ? nows the time to change I'd say. Speaking of which... Ever since picking up a new MacBook Pro, my old Sawtooth G4 tower has been sadly neglected. Anyone need a moderately upgunned Mac at a fair price? Contact me off-list. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Since 1983, more than 30 people have been killed in Post Offices. Ya wanna know why? Because the price of postage keeps changing. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45D62FBD.5080609 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:27:09 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Welder Suggestions References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > Hmmm...dunno if I'd ever want to learn welding from a book if I were > starting from scratch. There are a lot of basics regarding "touch" and > "feel" and "speed" which are difficult if not impossible to convey in > written form. > Working from a book on welding is not the best way to learn, but it can help. Think of it like this... Once upon a time, a guy learned to weld without a book, or even anybody there to coach him. He was the first guy to weld. You have it MUCH better than he did. You know it CAN be done, you have a book that tries to give you a clue about the technique, you have pictures of actual welds, with notes on what is right and wrong about them, and under the hood of your machine, a machine which is well suited to the job, is a table of settings that, while not very likely to be perfect, are probably an adequate starting point. Think of how very lucky you are! Probably the best way short of taking a real welding class might be my 12 beer method. Buy 2 six packs of good beer. Get a bunch (like 3-4 5 gallon buckets full) of steel or aluminum scraps, have plenty of wire and gas on hand. Call around and find somebody, anybody, who knows how to weld. Get them to come over and set your machine up, and help you run a few beads. After 1 hour, give him one of the six packs of beer and send him home. Turn all your scraps into a giant abstract sculpture, this will force you to confront out of position welds, bad fit-ups, you'll learn to tack stuff then nudge it into place and weld it in for good, you'll learn about what happens when you put too much heat in and all the metal falls out of the weld, you'll fill up the gap that gets left behind, and basically you'll get a lot of low stress welding practice. When you are down to a half bucket or so, call your 'teacher' back and have them help you fine tune your techniques now that you have enough experience to actually learn something. After an hour or two, give him (Or HER) the other six pack. If you live in Cinci, I prefer Woodchuck cider. Stuart ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1CD826C5-7173-46E1-A09B-4D56F0AFCED8 [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:21:32 -0500 On Feb 16, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Rigger wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 4:46 PM -0500 2/16/07, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > >> why not take the opportunity now to run to your local APPLE store >> and take a spin ? nows the time to change I'd say. > > > Speaking of which... > > Ever since picking up a new MacBook Pro, my old Sawtooth G4 tower > has been sadly neglected. Anyone need a moderately upgunned Mac at > a fair price? > > Contact me off-list. > > -- > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net Yeah, I have the same problem. My dual G5 tower is lonely and may start looking for a new home, too... g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702161421h485eeb57o8020301532839230 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:21:46 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Windows Vista & HogPC So, since the last thread was sucked into a blackhole, I'll change the question :-) Does anyone have info regarding using HogPC in Vista? Express Off-Line Editor in Vista? (You name the editor) in Vista? -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <608A861B-C758-4FDE-B61F-C6DAF492F3C8 [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps?? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:20:23 -0500 On 16 Feb, 2007, at 14:30 , Scott Parker wrote: > Has anyone ventured into the world of MS Vista yet? I here that it > might not allow virtual machines. HogPC creates a virtual Linux world > for itself and I'm wondering if it will work. I assume that other > off-line editors and such do the same thing. I haven't ventured into the MS world for many years, and I doubt the office computers are going to be upgraded to Vista anytime soon. From my understanding, you can run virtual machines on Vista computers [except maybe the Home Basic variety]. The virtualization controversy comes from the fact the Vista EULA forbids running the non-Ultimate & Enterprise versions on virtual machines. Not having run [or had a need to run] Hog PC, I don't know whether it will run properly on a Vista machine. If the software contains the necessary elements to create the virtual machine, my guess is it would work fine. As always, check with the manufacturer; they'll probably have more info on compatibility issues than any of us. I believe that ETC's offline editors are Vista compliant; since its based off the NT architecture the recent Obsession XP port should work fine. As always, YMMV. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:28:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Windows Vista & HogPC From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Does anyone have info regarding using > HogPC in Vista? > Express Off-Line Editor in Vista? > (You name the editor) in Vista? I haven't been able to try it myself yet, but I haven't heard any Lightwright users screaming - so I assume LW is fine on Vista. Someday relatively soon I'll get a new PC to replace my aging Win98 and XP machines, when I do I'll let everyone know for sure. Good luck with answers regarding the other software packages, my sense is that not too many folks are making getting Vista a priority. - John ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1144 ******************************