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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1148

 1. Re: Gripples... again
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 2. ACad vs. VW?
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
 3. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by Joe <joe [at] dunfee.com>
 4. Re: swing
    by "Steven Hood" <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
 5. layer link in vectorworks 12
    by "Mike Burnett" <mburnett [at] huntington.edu>
 6. Re: layer link in vectorworks 12
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
 7. foil, epee or sabre
    by "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
 8. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
 9. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Philip Johnson <philip.johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
10. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
11. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
12. Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
13. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
14. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
15. Re: Craftsman
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
16. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
17. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
18. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
19. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
20. Was Sunday, now Uncle Buddy
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
21. Re: ACad vs. VW?
    by Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
22. Re: Was Sunday, now Uncle Buddy
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
23. Trip to Ca.
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
24. Re: Craftsman
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
25. Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this summer
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
26. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
27. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
28. Re: Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this summer
    by Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
29. Re: Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this summer
    by Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
30. Re: Cell phones on a call & in your shop
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
31. real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
32. Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
33. Re: Was Sunday, now Uncle Buddy
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
34. Re: ACad vs. VW?
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
35. Drafting Instruction Question
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
36. Re: foil, epee or sabre
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
37. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
38. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
39. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
40. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
41. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
42. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
43. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
44. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
45. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
46. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
47. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
48. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
49. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
50. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
51. Upson board
    by Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
52. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
53. Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
    by "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
54. Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
    by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
55. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
56. Re: Upson board
    by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
57. Re: Upson board
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
58. Control Systems For Live Entertainment: Final Draft TOC Posted
    by John Huntington <jhuntington [at] fastmail.net>
59. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
60. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
61. Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
62. Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
63. Re: Drafting Instruction Question
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
64. Re: Moulin Swing
    by "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
65. Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
    by "Catherine Brumm" <ckybrumm [at] msn.com>
66. Re: Set building Standards
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
67. Re: Moulin Swing and Halo
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
68. Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
69. Re: Moulin Swing and Halo
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
70. Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
    by "Daniel Kelly" <limeking [at] gmail.com>

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Subject: RE: Gripples... again
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:06:47 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A077967C2 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42550200 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> >>>I am looking for an archived copy of the thread on Gripples and
> their use. <<<
>=20
> If ever you find the archives down, just Google the topic at=20
> hand, it'll link to Noah's digests.

Or you can email one of us with a gmail account.  If it's a discussion
from any time after March of '05, I've got it all.  Let me know if you
want some of them...

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Message-Id: <p06240802c1ff6c7aa0bd [at] [192.168.0.2]>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:44 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: ACad vs. VW?

Okay, CAD mavens...

I've got a job interview & test coming up where I need to display 
some sort of proficiency in AutoCAD.  That's all fine and good, but 
since I'm a virulent MacHead, I have zero experience with ACAD; all 
my CAD work has been in VectorWorks or MiniCAD.

For those of you with experience with both tools, how similar (if at 
all) are the two programs' menus and commands?

GIA,
-- 
-D.Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  "They say travel broadens the mind...
   So I went over the falls in a barrel."
             --Thos. Dolby, "I Live In A Suitcase"

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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070219093725.01f2fd10 [at] dunfee.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:09:43 -0500
From: Joe <joe [at] dunfee.com>
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
In-Reply-To: <list-42538929 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42538929 [at] prxy.net>

I am planning on applying to be a full-time CAD instructor in the 
Fall, so I am thinking about some of the same things.

As a life-long CAD guy, with a lot of industrial experience, I think 
the majority of time should be spent on the computer. Preferably with 
AutoCAD (or one of its low cost work-a-like's from the IntelliCAD 
family), because this is more in demand in the real world. While I do 
feel there should be some time spent on manual drafting, I think it 
should avoid complicated drawings.  The emphasis should be on 
sketching and doing something quickly... things that don't work well on CAD.

Also as I had said on another subject, people tend to underestimate 
the complexity of a CAD program.  It takes quite a while to get an 
understanding of all the little problems that happen if you don't 
know what you are doing. What if you decide to create the set walls 
on a layer called "Room walls",  then block them and place it on a 
layer called "walls".  This kind of stuff can absolutely confound a 
less experienced user, and the program will seem to have a mind of its own.

On the other hand, although manual drafting does take knowledge and 
skill, it is less likely to lead you down a blind alley.  You can 
improve your manual skills on your own if you want to.

Joe Dunfee  joe [at] dunfee.com
Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. 


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Reply-To: <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
From: "Steven Hood" <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
References: <list-42569828 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: swing
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:14:29 -0500
Organization: Regent University Scene Shop
Message-ID: <001901c75438$a6c02320$0802010a [at] regent.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42569828 [at] prxy.net>

We've hung swings twice. Once, I used a chunk of 2x8, long-shank T-nuts
beneath, and forged eye-bolts above the seat, with aircraft cable pick
lines. The other time was just a rope with a lot of padding and gaff tape
around the bottom to cushion it, but it was just a dead-hung basket of 3/4"
multi-line 2 that we had left-over from the rigging of our hand-lines... It
was in fabulously new condition and inspected for any abrasions or oddities
and tested with dead weight far exceeding that of the dancer who would use
it...
As for the 7 foot height, I'd worry more about that than a dead-hung swing.
The swingsets our kids play on in the public parks use pretty light-duty
stuff, even compared to trim chains... Most swings from a 10' beam at a park
will barely reach higher than 7', whereas you're talking about the bottom of
the swing being that high. Make the lines long enough, and your swing arc
will be small enough that your swinger will never be higher than 10' from
the floor. But how do you limit how much arc your swinger has access to?
They could have a bit of swing going, and you could be looking at a fair bit
of speed at the moment of the bottom of the arc of motion...
As with any other rig, though, you want to make sure that your structure can
handle what stresses you're subjecting them to.
Definitely look seriously at the height, and take as many precautions as
needed to ensure everyone's safety (including the audience, should your
swinger lose their grip and fly forward and end up crowd surfing).
Cheers,
Steven Hood


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Subject: layer link in vectorworks 12
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:06:42 -0500
Message-ID: <C7F9B0933E08584B8E8C98EA819DDDAC086C08AB [at] joshua.huntington.edu>
From: "Mike Burnett" <mburnett [at] huntington.edu>

In Vworks 12, how do you eliminate a layer link?  I can't seem to find
it in the help section.

Thanks,
MB

________________________________________________________________________
_
Mike Burnett, M.F.A.
Assistant Professor of Theatre
Chair, Department of Theatre
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Huntington University
Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service
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260-359-4279 office
260-359-4249 fax
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mburnett [at] huntington.edu
www.huntington.edu/theatre
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Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will
reap a harvest if we do not give up. =20
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people,
especially to those who belong to the family of believers  =20
Galatians 6:9-10=20
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of
in your philosophy."
--Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
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In-Reply-To: <list-42579886 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42579886 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <F585C6BB-A002-4B12-921F-ED82559EB6E6 [at] ucla.edu>
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: layer link in vectorworks 12
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:33:23 -0800
Cc: mburnett [at] huntington.edu (Mike Burnett)

Select the layer link in the model layer.
Unlock it.
Hit the "Delete" key.

HTH,
Sam

Samuel L. Jones
Developer of: AutoPlotVW, AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight, and Chain  
Hoist Tools.
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
=============================================================


On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Mike Burnett wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In Vworks 12, how do you eliminate a layer link?  I can't seem to find
> it in the help section.
>
> Thanks,
> MB
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> __
> _
> Mike Burnett, M.F.A.
> Assistant Professor of Theatre
> Chair, Department of Theatre
>
> Huntington University
> Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service
>
> 260-359-4279 office
> 260-359-4249 fax
>
> mburnett [at] huntington.edu
> www.huntington.edu/theatre
>
>
> Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will
> reap a harvest if we do not give up.
> Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people,
> especially to those who belong to the family of believers
> Galatians 6:9-10
>
> "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are  
> dreamt of
> in your philosophy."
> --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> __
> _
>
>
>


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From: "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
Subject: foil, epee or sabre
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:35:56 -0600
Message-ID: <FFEKLPMABANLAIDPOAKBEEMJDIAA.drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42538929 [at] prxy.net>

This is why it is totally inappropriate to use athletic/competitive swords
for theatrical work.  What we do with swords on the stage is totally
different from what we do with swords in competition.  Speaking as one who
has competed and taught foil, sabre and epee for over 20 years as well as
having been involved in theatrical swordplay and stage combat as a
choreographer and performer for 25 years, I can attest to the differences.

There are reputable manufacturers of theatrical weapons on both sides of the
pond.  I own many of their products and the swords have served me well for
many years.  In that same time frame, I have gone through at least a dozen
competitive blades from respected vendors of fencing equipment.

David K.

-----Original Message-----
>
> It can happen. A broken foil, epee or sabre is fully lethal. This is why,
when I arrange a fight,
> I always make sure that the combatants know to stop immediately. I also
have in place a procedure
> for getting a new blade quickly. There is usually someone else on stage
with a sword.
>
> Frank Wood



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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:41:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42568852 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702190835440.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42280539 [at] prxy.net> <list-42288090 [at] prxy.net> <list-42288616 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42568852 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, dorian Kelly wrote:

> The other question, and probably more important than the ravings of a lunatic 
> lighting designer,  is whether the power savings outweigh the environmental 
> damage that CFLs and Fluorescents can do. They surely ( please correct me if 
> I am speaking through my backside here)  use far more heavy metals,mercury, 
> beryllium, cadmium and other unpleasant nasties which will be far more 
> difficult to recycle, and cant go into landfill at all for fear of water 
> table contamination. This leads in turn to more strip mining and processing 
> usually in the third worlkd where life can be cheap.. And then there is the 
> matter of the ballasts and control gear as well and the energy used to 
> produce these.

You have a good point here, although in my experience, the average incandescent 
bulb has to be replaced every 1000 hours and most of the CFLs I've had lasted 
much much longer than that - some I have are over 20 years old, although they 
certainly have not been operated continuously.  If you calculate the number of 
resources required to make the dozens of incandescent bulbs each CFL replaced 
PLUS the extra electricity required to run them (many thousands of kW-hours) 
then I'd still have to think the CFL wins hands down.  Of course CFLs need to be 
disposed of responsibly but the use of heavy metals and other nasties has been 
considerably reduced since the early days.

Connecting this with another thread, my understanding is that every trashed 
computer contains hundreds of times more nasties than a CFL...

Charlie

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:53:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
From: Philip Johnson <philip.johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
Message-ID: <C1FF3220.2EE1%philip.johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42581176 [at] prxy.net>

While we are on the subject of CFL's
Anyone out there have suggestions for lights to use in a makeup room?  We
are going to switch from the current incandescent bulbs -candleabra base -
to CFL's. I am looking for a brand and color which would be suitable.  The
60 or so small lamps we currently use heat the room up and when we have a
company of actors it gets hot and (stinky) unbearable.

Phil Johnson
TAMU-CC Theatre 


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-42490204 [at] prxy.net> <list-42490869 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:22:29 -0700
Message-ID: <000001c7544a$88ee9a40$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-42490869 [at] prxy.net>

Do not get me started on Uncle Buddy, ,,,, as a Certified Product Analyst,
yep, I have never seen a product analysis of this item no matter what name
is goes under or whatever configuration. And I have seen it used a lot. Doom


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Thea Cooper
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:01 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification

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> If my
> memory serves me correctly, Dave and Bill and others
> frown on these devices.

So... what's wrong with an Uncle Buddy?


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-42491040 [at] prxy.net> <list-42491482 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:22:29 -0700
Message-ID: <000101c7544a$898bebb0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-42491482 [at] prxy.net>

Just back from Virginia and from another trip to Philly on a couple of law
suits and lectures. 25 minutes both time, with the wand, four pat downs,
whoopee, and they actually counted all the dollar bills in my pocket to make
sure there was no bombs between the bills, and also unfolded all the papers
in my pockets to see if anything was inside of them. 25 minutes each time,
each way. Jazzy. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of KEITH
ARSENAULT
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:21 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification

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while we are on the airport security subject, ,, this past november,   
I accidently had two razor knifes (plastic handle / snap off blade)  
in my brief case / lap top bag.

I usually am very good about NEVER putting anything in my brief case  
that would ever be an issue in security as I travel frequently. I had  
just done a number of events in a nearby city that I  had driven back  
and forth to, so I guess I had forgotten my "rule"

The knifes were not caught by security at Tampa International, ,  and  
I did not discover that they were there until arrival in Chicago  
later that day, , I was searching for some paperwork, , put my hand  
done in one of the many slots in my briefcase / lap top bag and  
pulled them out, , it took about 5 - 10 sec for it to sink in that I  
had taken them through security.

Keith L Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group
Tampa, Florida


On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

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There ya go.

On 2/16/07 11:58 AM, "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:


>
> In other words  A Sunday can be a snub line but a snub line cannot  
> be a
> Sunday.
>
> There.  Have I managed to confuse things even further?  Then my job  
> is done
> here.
>
> Bill S.


-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness  
and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS




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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-42523282 [at] prxy.net> <list-42523585 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:22:29 -0700
Message-ID: <000701c7544a$8a32da10$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-42523585 [at] prxy.net>

While on my trip to Virginia this last week and week end, lecturing about
theater health and safety, I met an individual who works for a non-profit
corporation that has come into existence out of San Francisco, that takes
all old computers and refurbishes them, trying to keep all the parts, etc.
out of landfills. Neat. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Shelley
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:34 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Greetings;

For all of you that have old out-of-date systems and machines that can't
seem to find a new home, I offer this site:

http://www.cristina.org/index.html

I donated my old system to them last year. While my machine ended up going
to a small 501c non-profit company here in manhattan, my friend suzie (who
told me about this group) claims that her donated machine was part of a
large shipment that was delivered to bosnia.

I can only say that, at face value, they appear to be legit and claim to be
working against e-waste. Also, I did receive a small letter thanking me for
my donation and assigning a small donated sum I then included in my taxes.

Ymmv.

shelley


On 2/17/07 2:19 PM, "frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com" <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
>> Date: 2007/02/16 Fri PM 10:21:32 GMT
>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
>> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> 
>> Yeah, I have the same problem. My dual G5 tower is lonely and may
>> start looking for a new home, too...
> 
> A general problem. I have a system which is looking for a new home. I KNOW
> that it would be of use to someone. Until a month ago it was of use to me.
But
> can I find someone; NO. They all want more up-to-date omputers. 433MHz,
> monitor, SCSI scanner, and printer. WIN 98, and all the operating disks.
But
> nobody seem to want it.
>  
> 
> Frank Wood
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email
> Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Message-ID: <45D9DE6F.5050604 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:29:19 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
References: <list-42491040 [at] prxy.net> <list-42491482 [at] prxy.net> <list-42582640 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42582640 [at] prxy.net>

RD wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Just back from Virginia and from another trip to Philly on a couple of law
> suits and lectures. 25 minutes both time, with the wand, four pat downs,
> whoopee, and they actually counted all the dollar bills in my pocket to make
> sure there was no bombs between the bills, and also unfolded all the papers
> in my pockets to see if anything was inside of them. 25 minutes each time,
> each way. Jazzy. Doom 

But Randy, you do look a little suspicious.  With all that purple and 
the kilt.  I can't say I blame the screeners for being extra cautious. ;-)

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:29:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1FF48A9.CA4D%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42582639 [at] prxy.net>

Well, I'll ask.

What IS an uncle buddy? I initially thought it was a term of endearment for
buddy combs, lighting commissioner for usitt. But now I realize I'm
completely in the weeds.

Is there a picture of this device, whatever it is?

shelley


On 2/19/07 12:22 PM, "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Do not get me started on Uncle Buddy, ,,,, as a Certified Product Analyst,
> yep, I have never seen a product analysis of this item no matter what name
> is goes under or whatever configuration. And I have seen it used a lot. Doom
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Thea Cooper
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:01 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> If my
>> memory serves me correctly, Dave and Bill and others
>> frown on these devices.
> 
> So... what's wrong with an Uncle Buddy?
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Message-ID: <45D9DF0F.9070800 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:31:59 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Craftsman
References: <list-42455753 [at] prxy.net> <list-42476158 [at] prxy.net> <list-42496899 [at] prxy.net> <list-42498506 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42498506 [at] prxy.net>

KEITH ARSENAULT wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Steve,, are you working at one of those establishments on the days off ?

What's a day off?

I was just trying to illustrate that wearing a clean cap doesn't 
necessitate a lazy worker.  I take great pride in my caps, whether 
they're swag (Lightwright, PRG, Martin) or team oriented (Nationals, 
Richmond Braves, Orioles).

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:34:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702190931260.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Philip Johnson wrote:

> Anyone out there have suggestions for lights to use in a makeup room?  We

Most CFLs these days state their colour temperature on their web site and/or 
packaging.  The cheap NOMA bulbs I most recently purchased (type 52-5392-2) says 
that their colour temperature is 2700K and they do look very close to standard 
incadescent light (at least to my eyes....)

Charlie

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Message-ID: <45D9E0CC.9050104 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:39:24 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
References: <list-42582932 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42582932 [at] prxy.net>

Steve Shelley wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Well, I'll ask.
> 
> What IS an uncle buddy? I initially thought it was a term of endearment for
> buddy combs, lighting commissioner for usitt. But now I realize I'm
> completely in the weeds.
> 
> Is there a picture of this device, whatever it is?

The Uncle Buddy is a way of locking the operating lines of a 
counterweight lineset together.

If you've got Jay Glerum's Stage Rigging handbook there's a diagram on 
Pg. 153 and a picture of one in use on Pg 154.

I have two in my office (it's as close to the theatre as I want them to 
get) and can email you a pic offlist if you want. Heck, for you I'd even 
put one on a line before taking the picture.  it would probably help you 
visualize its use better.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070219102001.00ca7a30 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:20:01
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems

>I did not suggest that it was the best solution, nor the least expensive.
However,
>if line-of-sight is possible and the distance is not too great, it
certainly would
>work. Whether the rf signal is provided by the microphone or a mixer
feeding a
>transmitter is immaterial to the concept.

Damn!  You argue with Dave about rigging, too?  I had mentioned RF at that
point, and 'immaterial' isn't really applicable when one will far
out-perform the other, as this wan't a concept, but an actuall installation.  
It's really cute when theory chimes in, but when we're actually going to do
something, let's leave opinions on the table and get right to the stuff
that will get the job done.  It isn't about ego-fluffing kids, this guy is
trying to get a show up.
I'm sorry to be so late on this one, but I've been in the desert for the
last few days, and just got this.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:51:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
Message-ID: <C1FF4DDD.AD39%raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42582932 [at] prxy.net>

Jay O Glerum has a drawing for one and pictures of it also called a line lok
in the second edition of his Stage Rigging Handbook fig. 4.36,37, 38, 39.

Merel Ray-Pfeifer


On 2/19/07 12:29 PM, "Steve Shelley" <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Well, I'll ask.
> 
> What IS an uncle buddy? I initially thought it was a term of endearment for
> buddy combs, lighting commissioner for usitt. But now I realize I'm
> completely in the weeds.
> 
> Is there a picture of this device, whatever it is?
> 
> shelley
> 
> 
> On 2/19/07 12:22 PM, "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Do not get me started on Uncle Buddy, ,,,, as a Certified Product Analyst,
>> yep, I have never seen a product analysis of this item no matter what name
>> is goes under or whatever configuration. And I have seen it used a lot. Doom
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Thea Cooper
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:01 AM
>> To: Stagecraft
>> Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification
>> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>> If my
>>> memory serves me correctly, Dave and Bill and others
>>> frown on these devices.
>> 
>> So... what's wrong with an Uncle Buddy?
>> 


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:53:31 -0500
Subject: Was Sunday, now Uncle Buddy
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1FF4E4B.CA56%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42583285 [at] prxy.net>

Hi steve;

I'm saddened to say it but I think I left my copy of SRH at one of the last
jobs. In any event I can't find it here. While I'll put "buy another SRH" on
my list of things to do in phoenix, if you have any pix you could post or
email that would be great.

I may know this device by another name that I can't think of right now. Does
it have hooks and pins to redirect the lines, and use the tension of the
rope for immobilization?

Tia,

shelley

On 2/19/07 12:39 PM, "Stephen Litterst" <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Steve Shelley wrote:
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Well, I'll ask.
>> 
>> What IS an uncle buddy? I initially thought it was a term of endearment for
>> buddy combs, lighting commissioner for usitt. But now I realize I'm
>> completely in the weeds.
>> 
>> Is there a picture of this device, whatever it is?
> 
> The Uncle Buddy is a way of locking the operating lines of a
> counterweight lineset together.
> 
> If you've got Jay Glerum's Stage Rigging handbook there's a diagram on
> Pg. 153 and a picture of one in use on Pg 154.
> 
> I have two in my office (it's as close to the theatre as I want them to
> get) and can email you a pic offlist if you want. Heck, for you I'd even
> put one on a line before taking the picture.  it would probably help you
> visualize its use better.
> 
> Steve L.

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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In-Reply-To: <list-42577850 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42577850 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <E8D9AEB4-C6A6-4549-A605-DCCD1D426E8F [at] comcast.net>
From: Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: ACad vs. VW?
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:55:54 -0500


On Feb 19, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Rigger wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Okay, CAD mavens...
>
> I've got a job interview & test coming up where I need to display  
> some sort of proficiency in AutoCAD.  That's all fine and good, but  
> since I'm a virulent MacHead, I have zero experience with ACAD; all  
> my CAD work has been in VectorWorks or MiniCAD.
>
> For those of you with experience with both tools, how similar (if  
> at all) are the two programs' menus and commands?

Hello,

	Both programs are similar in the fact that they are CAD programs.   
That's pretty much about it. :-)  One of the biggest changes for me  
is going from Layers in Acad to Classes in Vectorworks.  If you know  
Vectorwors really well, going to Acad won't be that hard.  But,  
you're going to have to struggle through it to find where everything  
is.  It's also going to depend on the level of proficiency.  If it's  
just 2D drawing, it will be ok.  3D on Acad is a totally different  
monster.  I would download a demo version of Acad to play with it.

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=5603704

I haven't used Acad in years, so I can't get more specific without  
seeing it in front of me.  Good luck.


Mike de Almeida
ATD/ME/MA				Phone: (860) 560-0771 	
Theaterworks			E-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net
Hartford   CT				Web: http://www.theaterworkshartford.org






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Message-ID: <45D9E5A8.1040908 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:00:08 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Was Sunday, now Uncle Buddy
References: <list-42583844 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42583844 [at] prxy.net>

Steve Shelley wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi steve;
> 
> I'm saddened to say it but I think I left my copy of SRH at one of the last
> jobs. In any event I can't find it here. While I'll put "buy another SRH" on
> my list of things to do in phoenix, if you have any pix you could post or
> email that would be great.
> 
> I may know this device by another name that I can't think of right now. Does
> it have hooks and pins to redirect the lines, and use the tension of the
> rope for immobilization?

You've described it to a "T".  I'll try to get some shots snapped and 
off to you this afternoon.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070219104357.00ca7a30 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:43:57
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Trip to Ca.

>Chris, I'll be passng through Phoenix

Hunh?!?!  Wha?!  Me???  Uhm, I'm usually in Tucson (I know, all the same to
anyone not from AZ...) but they both tend to be on the route or not.  That
weekend I was in the desert near Florence, so probably wouldn't have
warranted more'n a wave anyway.
Stop by on the way back, though!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070219104822.00ca7a30 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:48:22
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Craftsman

>ALL of the Craftsman tools are made under contract, many by major brands.

Radio Shack is the same way.  Their battery supplier changed every couple
of years, and at some points were the best available.  Their audio
transformers were bulletproof for a coupla decades, DC to daylight, and at
one point their 'ball mic' was manufactured by Shure, Inc., and was the
exact equivalent to a switched SM 48.
If you know what you're buying, or don't care, you can shop at Sears and
Radio Sack.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <AB26446A-D4B6-4F16-814A-164DA6FFAB79 [at] appstate.edu>
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this summer
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:10:14 -0500

I have a student who is an art major (about to declare a double  
major, we hope) who is a great scenic painter. She's looking for  
summer work in or around the New England area. We're asking all our  
usual contacts and searching ArtSearch, of course, but I thought I'd  
ask The List if anyone needs a capable young person who just finished  
her sophomore year in undergrad. The only caveat is that she can't  
really afford to take a position that is non-paying, or doesn't help  
with housing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
-=Greg Williams=-
www.LRLR.org


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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219132018.032e9480 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:24:47 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42581176 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net>

Danger Will Robinson!!!

Our costume shop recently had to switch back from CFLs to 
incandescents because although they claim to be "Full Spectrum", they 
actually have extreme peaks and valleys.  Thus it was very hard to 
determine what things would look like under "normal" light.  The 
facilities guy changed out all of the lamps while the costume shop 
was on vacation.  When confronted, he said, "they say full spectrum 
right HERE".  when showed the difference (and it was a big one) he 
said "But it says full spectrum"...I guess if you write it on a box 
it's true.-heh



At 11:53 AM 2/19/2007, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>While we are on the subject of CFL's
>Anyone out there have suggestions for lights to use in a makeup room?  We
>are going to switch from the current incandescent bulbs -candleabra base -
>to CFL's. I am looking for a brand and color which would be suitable.  The
>60 or so small lamps we currently use heat the room up and when we have a
>company of actors it gets hot and (stinky) unbearable.
>
>Phil Johnson
>TAMU-CC Theatre

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:27:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42584988 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191025440.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42581176 [at] prxy.net> <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net> <list-42584988 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Ford Sellers wrote:

> Our costume shop recently had to switch back from CFLs to incandescents 
> because although they claim to be "Full Spectrum", they actually have extreme 
> peaks and valleys.  Thus it was very hard to determine what things would look 
> like under "normal" light.  The facilities guy changed out all of the lamps

So, uh....  stage lights with all those gels and things changing the spectrum is 
really close to "normal" light eh?  Ok, exactly what kind of "normal" light 
don't I understand? ;-)

Normal could be daylight, moonlight, streetlights, neon or anything in between 
methinks ;-)

C

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References: <list-42584623 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <FED86A29-600F-4685-9761-5E7BB466D963 [at] gmail.com>
From: Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this summer
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:30:55 -0500

On 19 Feb, 2007, at 13:10 , Greg Williams wrote:
> I have a student who is an art major (about to declare a double  
> major, we hope) who is a great scenic painter. She's looking for  
> summer work in or around the New England area. We're asking all our  
> usual contacts and searching ArtSearch, of course, but I thought  
> I'd ask The List if anyone needs a capable young person who just  
> finished her sophomore year in undergrad. The only caveat is that  
> she can't really afford to take a position that is non-paying, or  
> doesn't help with housing.

If Glimmerglass is still looking for a assistant scenic artist, I'd  
point her that way.  Its a fantastic place to work and the quality of  
designers that work their way through there is amazing.  They pay  
[well], and housing is provided.  Not exactly New England [since I've  
moved out here, I've been told exactly which states are part of  
N.E.], but it might be close enough.

--
Sincerely,

Andrew Vance
Lighting Designer
atvanceld [at] gmail.com




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References: <list-42584623 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <FED86A29-600F-4685-9761-5E7BB466D963 [at] gmail.com>
From: Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Student scenic artist looking for work in New England this summer
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:30:55 -0500

On 19 Feb, 2007, at 13:10 , Greg Williams wrote:
> I have a student who is an art major (about to declare a double  
> major, we hope) who is a great scenic painter. She's looking for  
> summer work in or around the New England area. We're asking all our  
> usual contacts and searching ArtSearch, of course, but I thought  
> I'd ask The List if anyone needs a capable young person who just  
> finished her sophomore year in undergrad. The only caveat is that  
> she can't really afford to take a position that is non-paying, or  
> doesn't help with housing.

If Glimmerglass is still looking for a assistant scenic artist, I'd  
point her that way.  Its a fantastic place to work and the quality of  
designers that work their way through there is amazing.  They pay  
[well], and housing is provided.  Not exactly New England [since I've  
moved out here, I've been told exactly which states are part of  
N.E.], but it might be close enough.

--
Sincerely,

Andrew Vance
Lighting Designer
atvanceld [at] gmail.com




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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070219113635.00ca7330 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:36:35
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Cell phones on a call & in your shop

>reading Proust while on the I-5

Ehm, I've been on many parts of the 5 where reading Proust would have been
considered the best use of my time, as the only thing that my attention was
required for in the operation of the vehicle was keeping my foot on the
brake.

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070219113636.00ca7a30 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:36:36
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: real thing vs. "prop" thing

>The props master
>offered the director a real, sharp knife that would satisfy that look.

This sounds a lot like an actionable action, to me.  Using a real, sharp
blade on stage is like using real, live ammo.  Sure, you can use real
bullets and not have anyone die, but what's the point?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

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In-Reply-To: <list-42582932 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42582932 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:56:16 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Sunday Nomenclature clarification

At 12:29 PM -0500 2/19/07, Steve Shelley wrote:

>Well, I'll ask.
>
>What IS an uncle buddy? I initially thought it was a term of endearment for
>buddy combs, lighting commissioner for usitt. But now I realize I'm
>completely in the weeds.

Bud Combs notwithstanding, it's often called a=20
"Line-Lok". Basically, it's a piece of 1" square=20
tube, about 2' in length, with a 35=B0 bend in one=20
end and hooks made from 1/2" stock welded on,=20
designed to capture both lines of a lineset and=20
bend them together, creating a "nip" where=20
friction keeps anything from moving.

The name "uncle buddy" came from a flyman in the=20
pacific northwest somewhere who popularized its=20
use. Some say he invented the device; I have my=20
doubts.


>Is there a picture of this device, whatever it is?

There's a picture and plans for it in Jay=20
Glerum's book. Baring that, I could photograph=20
mine and send it to you - mine's chrome-plated;=20
all nice and shiny.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try.

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References: <list-42583844 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:57:16 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Was Sunday, now Uncle Buddy

At 12:53 PM -0500 2/19/07, Steve Shelley wrote:

>I may know this device by another name that I can't think of right now. Does
>it have hooks and pins to redirect the lines, and use the tension of the
>rope for immobilization?


Ayup...

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  Anytime you hear businessmen debating "which
  policy is better for America", don't bend over.

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References: <list-42577850 [at] prxy.net> <list-42583953 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:59:36 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: ACad vs. VW?

At 12:55 PM -0500 2/19/07, Michael de Almeida wrote:

>  If it's just 2D drawing, it will be ok.  3D on Acad is a
>  totally different monster.

Fortunately, this is all 2D work.


>  I would download a demo version of Acad to play with it.

I would too, if only Autodesk ported it for the Mac. But since they don't...

Thanks for the reply, Mike. I guess I'll muddle on through as best as I can.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  The reason they call it "The American Dream" is
    because you have to be asleep to believe in it.

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070219113650.0132e7b0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:36:50
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Drafting Instruction Question

>Oh Great Haloed List,

HEY!  ANYONE HERE WEAR A HALO?  YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT...  I'm sorry,
I think you have a wrong number. No one here by that description.  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: foil, epee or sabre
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:03:51 +0000
Message-Id: <20070219190351.WEZD26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 04:35:56 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: foil, epee or sabre
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> This is why it is totally inappropriate to use athletic/competitive swords
> for theatrical work.  What we do with swords on the stage is totally
> different from what we do with swords in competition.  Speaking as one who
> has competed and taught foil, sabre and epee for over 20 years as well as
> having been involved in theatrical swordplay and stage combat as a
> choreographer and performer for 25 years, I can attest to the differences.

I don't follow your reasoning. An epee blade is as strong as you will find, and safe while whole. It is also perfect for a Shakesperean rapier, and passable for an 18th century sword. I have a Leon Paul blade hanging over my fireplace in France. I withdrew it from the props store at my theatre because it is fully lethal, having been made to penetrate the arras for the death of Polonius in "Hamlet". It will recover from having the tip brought to the hilt.
> 
> There are reputable manufacturers of theatrical weapons on both sides of the
> pond.  I own many of their products and the swords have served me well for
> many years.  In that same time frame, I have gone through at least a dozen
> competitive blades from respected vendors of fencing equipment.

Of course you have. In a bout, the blades do ten times as much work as they do in a choreographed stage fight. Theatrical weapons cost, either in purchase or in hire. I was also the swordsmith, when I had a machine shop at my disposal. Small theatres cannot afford this. My time and the shop came free, and a blade was only £11.

I am a bit suspicious of third party swords. Some years ago, my fencing club staged a duel for a gala. I and my opponent devised and rehearsed it, meticulously. Just as well! Our president, who was also the president of the Amateur Fencing Association, and other bodies, provided our weapons. Damme, they were real, sharp, period swords. Were we careful?!


 

Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070219140058.02fca9b8 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:05:04 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42585106 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42581176 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42584988 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42585106 [at] prxy.net>

Charlie,  Look at any of your renderings (non digital) under 
fluorescent lights.  Then try to recreate the colors you 
see.  Incandescents have color throughout the spectrum (even when 
gelled).  Fluorescent lights are missing whole sections of the 
spectrum.  You simply miss some colors when viewed under fluorescent light.

-F

At 01:27 PM 2/19/2007, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Ford Sellers wrote:
>
>>Our costume shop recently had to switch back from CFLs to 
>>incandescents because although they claim to be "Full Spectrum", 
>>they actually have extreme peaks and valleys.  Thus it was very 
>>hard to determine what things would look like under "normal" 
>>light.  The facilities guy changed out all of the lamps
>
>So, uh....  stage lights with all those gels and things changing the 
>spectrum is really close to "normal" light eh?  Ok, exactly what 
>kind of "normal" light don't I understand? ;-)
>
>Normal could be daylight, moonlight, streetlights, neon or anything 
>in between methinks ;-)
>
>C

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:07:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42586432 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191106580.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42581176 [at] prxy.net> <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net> <list-42584988 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42585106 [at] prxy.net> <list-42586432 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Ford Sellers wrote:

> Charlie,  Look at any of your renderings (non digital) under fluorescent 
> lights.  Then try to recreate the colors you see.  Incandescents have color 
> throughout the spectrum (even when gelled).  Fluorescent lights are missing 
> whole sections of the spectrum.  You simply miss some colors when viewed 
> under fluorescent light.

OK, you win ;-)

C

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:49:04
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing

>2" x 3/8" mild steel bar, and the worst you could have got was a severe
bruise. 
>The shields were of laminated wood, and the edges splintered 

I fight with a blade that is 7/8" x 3/8", with no edge and a .380 empty
casing over the blunted end and a rabbit blunt over that, and I could kill
you with it easily.  A number of different ways.  Suggesting that a 36" x
2" x 3/8" mild steel club isn't a dangerous weapon is a bit irresponsible,
IMHO. 
Get a qualified fight choreographer that will emphasize safety for your R&J
(or any other) sword (or any other) fighting.  If they look like weapons,
chances are really good that they work like a weapon, and contrary to
popular beliefs held on this list, actors are not an expendable item.
And it's really, really, really easy to keep the edges of lammied wood
shields, from splintering.  We use 'em every week without any such failure,
and that is the responsibility of a good fight choreographer as well.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:13:31 +0000
Message-Id: <20070219191331.FBLU29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: Philip Johnson <philip.johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 04:53:20 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> While we are on the subject of CFL's
> Anyone out there have suggestions for lights to use in a makeup room?  We
> are going to switch from the current incandescent bulbs -candleabra base -
> to CFL's. I am looking for a brand and color which would be suitable.  The
> 60 or so small lamps we currently use heat the room up and when we have a
> company of actors it gets hot and (stinky) unbearable.

Improve the ventilation. Seriously. For colour judgment and matching, there is no substitute for a lamp with a continuous spectral output. Try how they will, discharge lamps, of whatever sort, have emission peaks at the characteristic wavelengths of the primary discharge. Tweak the phophors how you will, you are stuck with them.


Frank Wood

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Subject: RE: Drafting Instruction Question
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:16:14 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07796AA2 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42586245 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> >Oh Great Haloed List,
>=20
> HEY!  ANYONE HERE WEAR A HALO?  YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I=20
> THOUGHT...  I'm sorry, I think you have a wrong number. No=20
> one here by that description. =20

Hey, if I take my glasses off, all y'all have haloes.

Of course, you're also all just nondescript blobs of fuzziness, but...

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:53:40
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing

>two  dancers ....  twirled...  double headed axes, , tossed em back  
>and forth, ,  etc,
>I think the audience thought they were fake until at the end they  
>buried them into real tree stumps on stage

Just to clarify a point, were the actors/dancers rehearsed up to use live
steel, or were live steel jugglers trained to dance/act? 
The latter is what I would do, the former sounds like a complete waste of
rehearsal time.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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References: <list-42586895 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:43:05 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question

At 2:16 PM -0500 2/19/07, Paul Schreiner wrote:

>Hey, if I take my glasses off, all y'all have haloes.
>
>Of course, you're also all just nondescript blobs of fuzziness, but...


In real life Bill and I are nondescript blobs of fuzziness, so that's okay.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  The reason they call it "The American Dream" is
    because you have to be asleep to believe in it.

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:04:28 -0600
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
From: Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
Message-ID: <C1FF5EEC.5B67%Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42586774 [at] prxy.net>

Frank

If we had the cash to improve the ventilation then it would be no option.
However, the incandescent lamps are inadequate and always burning out.  I
wanted a more reliable source for lights which was closer to a tungsten or
incandescent source, and more light.  I need output and reliability, for
color matching we go to the lighting rig I have set up or on stage.
Generally, students learning to apply makeup have to learn the amount of
detail they need and do this when they apply it,  having the stage works
better for this anyway.  Once they learn how much detail and what colors
under the stagelights, they know what to do under whatever lights are in the
makeup room.  If there is a specific color problem with our makeup we make
the changes, that's when they use the rig.

Charlie, I will check out the full spectrum lamps and see what we have
available.  Perhaps we can mix some of both sources for the people who are
spectrum worried and find the best of both worlds.


All I know is the tube lights are at the wrong angle and the bulbs get left
on all the time and burn out.  All of the suggestions are of great help so
far.

Thanks 
-- 
Philip Johnson
Professor of Theatre
Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi




On 2/19/07 1:13 PM, "frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com" <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> Improve the ventilation. Seriously. For colour judgment and matching, there is
> no substitute for a lamp with a continuous spectral output. 


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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:09:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42588610 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191206400.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42588610 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Philip Johnson wrote:

> Charlie, I will check out the full spectrum lamps and see what we have

To be clear, I never used the term 'full spectrum' or even implied that any sort 
of flourescent lamp met that description.  I merely provided the colour 
temperature of the one bulb I had handy ;-)

Others brought up this term and I'm not defending or denying anything in that 
regard.

C

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:11:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42588803 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191210570.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42588610 [at] prxy.net> <list-42588803 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Charlie Richmond wrote:

> temperature of the one bulb I had handy ;-)

I just found a Panasonic 'light capsule' CFL box as well (20 years+ old) and it 
says it's 2800K.

C

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:23:32 -0600
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
From: Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
Message-ID: <C1FF6364.5B6E%Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42588896 [at] prxy.net>

I'll go on line later and check out the color for lamps, I still need to run
this by the physical plant and get them to change out the fixtures.




On 2/19/07 2:11 PM, "Charlie Richmond" <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Charlie Richmond wrote:
> 
>> temperature of the one bulb I had handy ;-)
> 
> I just found a Panasonic 'light capsule' CFL box as well (20 years+ old) and
> it 
> says it's 2800K.
> 
> C


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070220075837.036efe10 [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:19:57 +1100
From: Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42583136 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42583136 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:34 20.02.2007, Charlie wrote:
>Most CFLs these days state their colour temperature on their web 
>site and/or packaging.  The cheap NOMA bulbs I most recently 
>purchased (type 52-5392-2) says that their colour temperature is 
>2700K and they do look very close to standard incadescent light (at 
>least to my eyes....)

What is quoted for sources such as CFLs, fluorescents and any other 
kind of discharge lamp, is actually a *correlated* colour 
temperature, because that's all you can do for sources that produce 
only some parts of the visible spectrum.
As a true colour temperature can only be stated for full spectrum 
sources such as incandescent lamps, sunlight, candle light, etc. 
There needs to be a basis for comparison.
This is the Colour Rendering Index (CRI), which measures how 
accurately a light source renders the colours of the things it 
illuminates. By definition, full spectrum light sources have a CRI of 
100. In comparison, CFLs vary in CRI from the high 70s (cheap but 
efficient) to the mid 90s (expensive but good for colours). The CFLs 
and fluoros used in film & TV lighting have CRIs in the mid to high 
90s. These figures are usually available as part of a lamp's full 
specification.

Cutting to the chase: if you must use CFLs in makeup, costume 
construction, design and painting spaces, then great care should be 
taken to chose both an appropriate colour temperature to match your 
production lighting, and the highest CRI that you can find. There 
will still be colour anomalies that will confound you from time to 
time (e.g. paint batches that don't match, sewing cottons that don't 
blend with the fabric, makeup that looks strange, etc), but this 
approach should minimise their frequency.

Andy


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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:25:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42591040 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191323220.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42581692 [at] prxy.net> <list-42583136 [at] prxy.net> <list-42591040 [at] prxy.net>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Andy Ciddor wrote:

> This is the Colour Rendering Index (CRI), which measures how accurately a 
> light source renders the colours of the things it illuminates. By definition, 
> full spectrum light sources have a CRI of 100. In comparison, CFLs vary in 
> CRI from the high 70s (cheap but efficient) to the mid 90s (expensive but 
> good for colours). The CFLs and fluoros used in film & TV lighting have CRIs 
> in the mid to high 90s. These figures are usually available as part of a 
> lamp's full specification.

The Panasonic capsule is the only one I have that includes the CRI and it says 
it is 84 CRI.  Of course this is a very old unit and I have not checked the 
values with more modern units.

C

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Message-ID: <45DA1F55.4010208 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:06:13 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
References: <list-42559743 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42559743 [at] prxy.net>

Noah Price wrote:
> Am I missing the joke, or were you just not aware Mac OS X was first
> released in 2001?

Ah, I goofed, that's all. I was thinking about Tiger, which (acording to
Wikipedia) has been out less than two years. I completely forgot about
versions 10.0 through 10.3. Sorry 'bout that.

-- 
Jim Hyslop

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:15:30 -0600
From: Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
Subject: Upson board
In-reply-to: <list-42592435 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: rojohnso [at] cord.edu
Message-id: <002301c75473$776b4740$6b79818a [at] THE6266>
Organization: Concordia College

Hi all,

I am looking for a source for Upson or Beaver board. This stuff is getting
vary hard to find. Any one have a source or a good substitute. I have a lot
of curves, 4' Dim is the smallest, to face out and am not a big fan of
Masonite. It doesn't curve and sharp and it takes paint differently.

Robert Johnson
Technical Director
Concordia College

(218) 299-3821
rojohnso [at] cord.edu 


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Message-ID: <45DA21DB.6020801 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:16:59 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
References: <list-42521884 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42521884 [at] prxy.net>

frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote:
[stage combat]
> Also, actors occasionally get carried away.

Yep, seen that (who hasn't, really?). I was stage managing for a
community college's theatre program. The college brought in a
professional combat choreographer, everything was carefully staged and
practised thoroughly (fantastic fights, too, by the way - everything
from fencing foils to two-handed broadswords).

I forget the actual choreography for the particular incident, but it
involved an actor getting angry at an actress. At the (one and only)
performance, he lost himself and almost dislocated her jaw.

-- 
Jim Hyslop

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From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
Subject: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:29:18 -0500
Message-ID: <JCEGLMFBOOMOFFJALNFFMEFKCFAA.mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42591040 [at] prxy.net>



-----Original Message-----
Andy Ciddor wrote:

<snip>

>>purchased (type 52-5392-2) says that their colour temperature is
>>2700K and they do look very close to standard incadescent light (at
>>least to my eyes....)

>What is quoted for sources such as CFLs, fluorescents and any other
>kind of discharge lamp, is actually a *correlated* colour
>temperature, because that's all you can do for sources that produce
>only some parts of the visible spectrum.

<snip>

...and here's why.  Fluorescent lamps work by creating an ultraviolet arc
within the glass tube of the lamp.  This arc excites the phosphor coating on
the inside of the envelope.  To get closer to full-spectrum, the
manufacturers use a blend of phosphors that emit in wavelengths at the red,
blue and green wavelengths.  The reason that the color is "incomplete" is
that the phosphors don't emit much anywhere else.  These phosphors aren't as
bad as sodium, which actually has very specific square spikes in the
spectrum (hence most colors are black under sodium), but they are still
missing whole swaths of the spectrum.  CCT is arrived at by adjusting the
mix of phosphors.

You will always be missing colors, especially in the reds and yellows
(fluorescent's weakness).

Tungsten halogen's color temperature is usually 3000-3400, depending on the
lamp (longer lives are generally closer to the 3000 mark).

Mike



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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:36:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C1FF9098.1203D%deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42593138 [at] prxy.net>

I once worked in a grocery store.  Produce section
had cool white, meat section had warm white.  Imagine
switching the tubes.  Not too pleasing to the eye.

Steve

> From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:29:18 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Andy Ciddor wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>> purchased (type 52-5392-2) says that their colour temperature is
>>> 2700K and they do look very close to standard incadescent light (at
>>> least to my eyes....)
> 
>> What is quoted for sources such as CFLs, fluorescents and any other
>> kind of discharge lamp, is actually a *correlated* colour
>> temperature, because that's all you can do for sources that produce
>> only some parts of the visible spectrum.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> ...and here's why.  Fluorescent lamps work by creating an ultraviolet arc
> within the glass tube of the lamp.  This arc excites the phosphor coating on
> the inside of the envelope.  To get closer to full-spectrum, the
> manufacturers use a blend of phosphors that emit in wavelengths at the red,
> blue and green wavelengths.  The reason that the color is "incomplete" is
> that the phosphors don't emit much anywhere else.  These phosphors aren't as
> bad as sodium, which actually has very specific square spikes in the
> spectrum (hence most colors are black under sodium), but they are still
> missing whole swaths of the spectrum.  CCT is arrived at by adjusting the
> mix of phosphors.
> 
> You will always be missing colors, especially in the reds and yellows
> (fluorescent's weakness).
> 
> Tungsten halogen's color temperature is usually 3000-3400, depending on the
> lamp (longer lives are generally closer to the 3000 mark).
> 
> Mike
> 
> 


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:57:52 +0000
Message-Id: <20070219225752.BVSB26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 08:04:28 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Frank
> 
> If we had the cash to improve the ventilation then it would be no option.
> However, the incandescent lamps are inadequate and always burning out.  I
> wanted a more reliable source for lights which was closer to a tungsten or
> incandescent source, and more light.  I need output and reliability, for
> color matching we go to the lighting rig I have set up or on stage.
> Generally, students learning to apply makeup have to learn the amount of
> detail they need and do this when they apply it,  having the stage works
> better for this anyway.  Once they learn how much detail and what colors
> under the stagelights, they know what to do under whatever lights are in the
> makeup room.  If there is a specific color problem with our makeup we make
> the changes, that's when they use the rig.

Do it as you will. I quite see the cost implications, and undoubtedly CFLs will save you money and inconvenience. And make-up is seldom a problem. I go back to the days of 5 and 9, with a 19 liner. It depends on the lighting, and this comes from the days of flat frontal illumination. Modern lighting design handles the facial modelling problems, if well done.


Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:00:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Upson board
From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
Message-ID: <C1FF963E.AD6A%raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42592724 [at] prxy.net>

Have you tried wiggle board aka;bending luan?

I have bought it thru cabinet shops when I only need a couple of sheets at a
time.  It bends pretty tight, lots smaller than 4'.

Merel Ray-Pfeifer


On 2/19/07 5:15 PM, "Robert Johnson" <rojohnso [at] cord.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am looking for a source for Upson or Beaver board. This stuff is getting
> vary hard to find. Any one have a source or a good substitute. I have a lot
> of curves, 4' Dim is the smallest, to face out and am not a big fan of
> Masonite. It doesn't curve and sharp and it takes paint differently.
> 
> Robert Johnson
> Technical Director
> Concordia College
> 
> (218) 299-3821
> rojohnso [at] cord.edu
> 


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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:03:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Upson board
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1FF96F2.7A50%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42592724 [at] prxy.net>

Upson Board used to be manufactured by the Upson Company in Lockport, NY.
I'm not sure if they are still in business or not.

In the meantime, you might consider Bending Lauan or as it is sometimes
called, "Wiggle Wood".  It is lauan that his two layers thick with a fabric
sheet in between layers.  I use the 3/8" thick 4 x 8 sheets that curve to
make a 4' tall cylinder. The grain runs across the sheet.   It can be with
the grain going the other direction, lengthwise as well.  A bit pricy but
easier to glue and fasten than is masonite or other hardboard.

HTH.
Steve Rees,

On 2/19/07 5:15 PM, "Robert Johnson" <rojohnso [at] cord.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am looking for a source for Upson or Beaver board. 


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Message-ID: <45DA2D56.6060700 [at] fastmail.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:05:58 -0500
From: John Huntington <jhuntington [at] fastmail.net>
Subject: Control Systems For Live Entertainment: Final Draft TOC Posted

I have a few big sections yet to write (ACN, RDM, RTP, Wifi and Open
Sound), but otherwise, I've mostly got the third edition of my book,
Control Systems For Live Entertainment, roughed in.  Now is your
last chance to tell me what I missed :-) See:
http://www.zircondesigns.com/Support/Temp/ControlSystems3EDTOC2007-02-19.pdf

Remember, that this book is for end users, not engineers, and we're
talking about live shows.

Thanks!

John
http://www.zircondesigns.com/


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:07:04 +0000
Message-Id: <20070219230704.BAIX219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 08:09:34 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Philip Johnson wrote:

> To be clear, I never used the term 'full spectrum' or even implied that any sort 
> of flourescent lamp met that description.  I merely provided the colour 
> temperature of the one bulb I had handy ;-)

To ascribe a colour temperature to a discharge lamp is plain wrong, in spite of what manufacturers often do. They always have lumps and bumps in their spectral output, juggle the phosphors how you will.They may appear broadly similar, to the eye, but a spectrophotometer will reveal their differences, as will trying to do colour matching.
 

Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:08:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs.
In-Reply-To: <list-42594143 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191508120.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42594143 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

> To ascribe a colour temperature to a discharge lamp is plain wrong, in spite 
> of what manufacturers often do. They always have lumps and bumps in their 
> spectral output, juggle the phosphors how you will.They may appear broadly 
> similar, to the eye, but a spectrophotometer will reveal their differences, as 
> will trying to do colour matching.

OK, you win too!

C

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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:18:58 +0000
Message-Id: <20070219231858.BEHF219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
> Date: 2007/02/19 Mon PM 10:29:18 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------

> 
> ...and here's why.  Fluorescent lamps work by creating an ultraviolet arc
> within the glass tube of the lamp.  This arc excites the phosphor coating on
> the inside of the envelope.  To get closer to full-spectrum, the
> manufacturers use a blend of phosphors that emit in wavelengths at the red,
> blue and green wavelengths.  The reason that the color is "incomplete" is
> that the phosphors don't emit much anywhere else.  These phosphors aren't as
> bad as sodium, which actually has very specific square spikes in the
> spectrum (hence most colors are black under sodium), but they are still
> missing whole swaths of the spectrum.  CCT is arrived at by adjusting the
> mix of phosphors.

More. The basic source in most fluorescent lamps is a mercury vapour discharge. This has a very strong output in the green and blue, together with the UV. The phosphors convert the UV to visible light, according to their mix. What they can't do is to suppress  the green and blue.


Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:32:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
In-Reply-To: <list-42594452 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702191531190.23453 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42594452 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote:

> More. The basic source in most fluorescent lamps is a mercury vapour 
> discharge. This has a very strong output in the green and blue, together with 
> the UV. The phosphors convert the UV to visible light, according to their mix. 
> What they can't do is to suppress the green and blue.

It makes my heart all aflutter to finally see the majority of people on this 
list finally agreeing with Frank!!

C

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Message-ID: <45DA3D3A.4020900 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:13:46 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Drafting Instruction Question
References: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42507798 [at] prxy.net>

David Stock wrote:


> For isn't drafting one craft that should be learned and then the CAD
> software instruction to follow?  It only seems like a natural and logical
> progression to this humble stage crafter...
> 
> What's your thoughts?
> 
> Keep the replies in the context of instructing those of the high school or
> undergraduate level.
> 
> Thanks,

MY 2 Cents...

Layout in the shop is Drafting on a large scale...At least teach the 
stuff you learned in Geometry class, (bisecting lines and angles, etc)

TEACH LETTERING!!!  Please!!!  I get so sick of seeing chicken scratch 
that might or might not be a critical note on a dimension or material or 
so forth.  My Drafting Class had to hand in an 8x12 page in 1/8" 
lettering, any subject, every week until the prof said Stop.

Stuart

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Message-ID: <1217.69.203.216.247.1171929714.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42569828 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42569828 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:01:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Moulin Swing
From: "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>

Jason Salvatori wrote:
> We have a production of Moulin Rouge coming in that wants to have a
> performer use a swing that sits about 7' off the deck.

Interesting, didn't know that was being licensed for live performance.
Would've thought the music rights alone would have made it impossible for
anything shy of a Broadway budget...

--A


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Message-ID: <BAY130-DAV24E13445DC38125B1C475D1890 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Catherine Brumm" <ckybrumm [at] msn.com>
References: <list-42569828 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Finding new homes for out-of-date unwanted computers
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:59:59 -0500



I don't know about in your area but the high schools here have all sorts of 
career tech classes that deal with computers and are more then willing to 
take old equipment off your hands to tinker with them. They may attempt to 
fix if broken or use for parts. The really old stuff they just like to look 
at like a hands on history lesson.

Catherine Brumm
General Manager
Minnie Evans Arts Center
Wilmington, NC 


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Message-ID: <45DA43D2.1030009 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:41:54 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Set building Standards
References: <list-42560393 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42560393 [at] prxy.net>

jon weaver wrote:

> A friend of mine wrote and informed me that his set
> builder is building some pretty rickety sets and is
> worried about the actors saftey (understandably so).

So who is the supervisor?  Who is the SM?  Simply declare that the set 
is unsafe and the actors will not use it until it is fixed.  A 
collection of standards is nifty, but if the set is shaky, it does not 
matter how tall the platforms are, One foot seems a bit short to 
_require_ banding, but depending on the use, even 6 inches might want 
bracing if it gets shoved against.   If the set is weak, beef it up, if 
there is no glue in joints, demand it be used.  Are the fasteners 
suitable for the task?  Is the problem really that nobody knows more 
about scenery than this guy, so nobody can say what is really wrong with 
it?  Get somebody else to look at it.  If you need a TD to come and give 
it a look over, you might find one by asking here.

Scenery is often weird and Ad Hoc, trying to write a complete set of 
standards for construction is a fools errand.  Setting standards for the 
end product in terms of security and function, enforced by the SM and 
other supervisory types makes much more sense to me.

That being said, the Raoul book is quite a good start on one way that 
will often produce good, solid scenery.  Coming here and asking 
questions is a good idea.

Does this guy actually have a theatre background?  Were his references 
checked?  Has he been made aware that he is building junk?  Has he been 
asked (ordered) to do too much set with too little budget and thus is 
cutting too many corners?

I understand the concern for the actors.  Soon after I started a TD job 
  several years ago I had a very large staircase in a show,  At one of 
the first rehearsals with actors on set, a regular actress in the 
company went up the stairs and exclaimed, "It's just like a real 
staircase!  It doesn't wiggle, or anything!"  I couldn't decide whether 
to bask in the praise (she was very pretty) or be shocked that it could 
be any other way.

Stuart

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <bf6.e1a9822.330b9e5f [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:44:15 EST
Subject: Re: Moulin Swing and Halo

Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com writes:
<<  Interesting, didn't know  that was being licensed for live performance. 
Would've thought the music rights  alone would have made it impossible for 
anything shy of a Broadway  budget...  >>

That was my thought too.  Wouldn't be the  first time someone write out the 
libretto from a movie and added the  tunes. 

As for my Halo... I have a Miss America local coronet, legitimately  won. 
It's a complete circle and sparkles really nicely when lit with a follow  spot. 
Close enough?

Kristi
 

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:45:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Windows Vista and our various software apps??
Message-Id: <20070219.164541.18186.1277682 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

I think that the comparison should be Vista Ultimate versus Leopard.
/s/ Richard
___________________________
Ah, I goofed, that's all. I was thinking about Tiger, which (acording =

to Wikipedia) has been out less than two years. I completely forgot =

about versions 10.0 through 10.3. Sorry 'bout that.
-- =

Jim Hyslop



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Message-Id: <p06240802c1fff9727c90 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-42596371 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42596371 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:04:16 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Moulin Swing and Halo

At 7:44 PM -0500 2/19/07, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:

>As for my Halo... I have a Miss America local coronet, legitimately  won.
>It's a complete circle and sparkles really nicely when lit with a 
>follow  spot.
>Close enough?


Kristi, no matter how you try you will never be a nondescript blob of 
fuzziness.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

   "Jumping is easy and falling is fun...
    Right up 'til you hit the sidewalk, shivering and stunned"

		--Ani DiFranco

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Message-ID: <ace46fdd0702191731y2e9a605eo3b83986ff6c45122 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:31:16 -0500
From: "Daniel Kelly" <limeking [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent sources (was: Banning Incandescent lamps)
In-Reply-To: <list-42594758 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42594452 [at] prxy.net> <list-42594758 [at] prxy.net>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1851975.htm

Looks like the politicians down under beat us to it - those champions
of liberty! *bangs head on desk*

The cure for 1984 is 1776.

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