Return-Path: <stagecraft-report [at] theatrical.net>
X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp
X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)!
X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net
Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10)
  with PIPE id 42665883; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:23:42 -0800
X-Spam-Level: ****
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost
X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.8 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED,
	NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS,
	PRXY_USER_BODY_COMSTAR,PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,PRXY_USER_BODY_VALIUM,
	PRXY_USER_DROP_SINO,SARE_DIPLOMA2,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no 
	version=3.1.7
X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:stagecraft-off [at] theatrical.net>
List-ID: <stagecraft.theatrical.net>
List-Archive: <http://theatrical.net:8100/Lists/stagecraft/List.html>
Message-ID: <list-42665859 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sender: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Precedence: list
Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1151
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:22:40 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Disposition: inline
X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4
X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1151

 1. Banjo anyone?
    by "Joel Harari" <harari_j [at] adelphia.net>
 2. Re: Australia banning incandescent lamps TOO
    by Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
 3. Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
 4. Re: Australia banning incandescents
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
 5. Re: Australia banning incandescents
    by Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
 6. Re: Banjo anyone?
    by "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
 7. Re: Banjo anyone?
    by Stan Jensen <jense1s [at] cmich.edu>
 8. Re: *** Spam ***  Banjo anyone?
    by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 9. Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
    by "David B. Nelson" <d.b.nelson [at] comcast.net>
10. Re: Banjo anyone?
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
11. Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
    by Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
12. Re: bendable lauan
    by "Steven Hood" <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
13. First gig
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
14. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by RHolen [at] vinu.edu
15. Met pool heater
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
16. first gig and paper work
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
17. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
18. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Bill Potter <bpotter [at] sps.edu>
19. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
20. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>
21. Re: Alternatives to Upsom Board
    by "Paul Guncheon" <pguncheon [at] gmail.com>
22. Re: First gig
    by "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>
23. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
24. Re: First gig
    by "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
25. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
26. Re: Banjo anyone?
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
27. Re: Theatre Recommandations...
    by "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
28. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
29. Re: Theatre Recommandations...
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
30. Re: First gig
    by "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>
31. Re: Theatre Recommandations...
    by "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
32. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
33. Infrared monitor suggestions?
    by John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
34. Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
35. Re: Banjo anyone?
    by "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>
36. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
37. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
    by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" <JKanyuck [at] Harford.edu>
38. Re: Australia banning incandescents
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
39. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
40. Re: First gig
    by "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
41. Re: ACad problem
    by Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
42. Re: First gig
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
43. Re: First gig
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
44. Re: First gig
    by gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
45. More AutoCAD Questions
    by "Warren Stiles" <warren.stiles [at] gmail.com>
46. Re: First gig
    by "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>
47. Re: foil, epee or sabre
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
48. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
49. Re: Fluorescent sources
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
50. Re: Fluorescent sources
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
51. Re: first gig and paper work
    by "Paul Marsland" <pmarsland [at] gmail.com>
52. Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
53. Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
    by Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
54. First Gig
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
55. Re: First Gig
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
56. Re: First Gig
    by joreth [at] techie.com
57. Re: Nyc TD job
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
58. Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems -UPDATE
    by "dale cyr" <dalecyr [at] hotmail.com>
59. Re: First Gig
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
60. Re: First Gig
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
61. Re: First Gig
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
62. Re: First Gig
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
63. Re: First Gig
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
64. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling  purposes
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
65. Re: First Gig
    by Risa Strobel <zafari [at] mac.com>
66. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling  purposes
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
67. Re: First Gig
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
68. Re: First Gig
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
69. ETC Link
    by "David Fox" <david.fox [at] etcconnect.com>
70. Re: First Gig
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

*** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject
*** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to
*** one message subject in each reply.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Joel Harari" <harari_j [at] adelphia.net>
References: <list-42633936 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Banjo anyone?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:44:44 -0800
Message-ID: <000301c755ad$ae943480$ace1544b [at] Tigger>
In-Reply-To: <list-42633936 [at] prxy.net>

So I'm trying to help a good friend locate a banjo for her husband, and
since it is a little unusual I thought of "the list". Any ideas besides
Google and the like? 

Specifically she is looking for a Deering Sierra banjo in excellent
condition.

TIA
Joel Harari



------------------------------

Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070221231231.07880230 [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:25:42 +1100
From: Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Subject: Re: Australia banning incandescent lamps TOO
In-Reply-To: <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:49 21.02.2007, Ron Cargile wrote:
>I just read on CNN online the Australia is banning incandescent 
>bulbs.  (Timely to recent discussions, huh?)
>I'm curious to know how the law affect the entertainment 
>industry.  Does the ban include everyone or just residences?

It's timely to our discussion, simply because here in Oz, with a 
Federal election coming later in the year and a government that is 
becoming increasingly unpopular, a couple of our most astute 
politicians spotted yet another idea that they could appropriate from 
the USA and pass off as a well planned "policy". However I suspect 
that they only read the headlines, rather that all of the discussion 
that has ensued in the US.

Despite environmental groups advocating a policy of *appropriate* use 
of CFLs for years, these guys went for the whole "ban incandescent 
lamps" announcement when they made their press statement yesterday.

Not surprisingly, they have been issuing supplementary "explanatory" 
press releases today, consisting mostly of back-pedalling over all 
the issues we've already been talking about here on the Stagecraft list.

Andy 


------------------------------

Message-ID: <90d9c9980702210425p29e22d97jb77d501f758209b5 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:25:29 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <list-42637629 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42626525 [at] prxy.net> <list-42637629 [at] prxy.net>

Do the rest of the channels work as they should? I had this happen
once that the first 7 channels didn't work at all and all the others
were just acting weird.
It turned out that the DMX output had been set to start at 8 instead
of 1. So, the board was sending out my dimmer 1 wishes to dimmer 8
instead.
Just a thought.
Scott

On 2/20/07, Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm using an ETC Express 24 channel board with a
> problem.
>
> Channel 1 doesn't control the dimmer assigned to it.
>

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

------------------------------

Message-ID: <3UpUZEFWpD3FFwA2 [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:25:58 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Australia banning incandescents
References: <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net>, Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu> 
writes
>I just read on CNN online the Australia is banning incandescent bulbs. 
>(Timely to recent discussions, huh?)
>I'm curious to know how the law affect the entertainment industry. 
>Does the ban include everyone or just residences?

The solution to that is easy.  Replace all the incandescents with 
intelligent discharge lamp based fixtures that run the lamp continuously 
even when it's putting out no light.  The reduction in heat output from 
the tungsten lamps could easily be compensated for by turning the 
heating up.

Or in other words, I guess it won't apply to stage and studio lighting 
because it simply wouldn't work.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

------------------------------

Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070221233044.0799f728 [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:34:21 +1100
From: Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Subject: Re: Australia banning incandescents
In-Reply-To: <list-42647471 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42647471 [at] prxy.net>

At 23:25 21.02.2007, Clive wrote:
>Or in other words, I guess it won't apply to stage and studio 
>lighting because it simply wouldn't work.

Come on Clive. Don't be such a pessimist.
I eagerly await the first shipment of CFL- powered profile spots (ERS).
Sounds like a project that the innovators at CCT should be working on 
right now.

Andy



------------------------------

Message-ID: <BAY115-F32CA4BD58C360BDA658969DA880 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Matthew Breton" <theatricalmatt [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Banjo anyone?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:37:23 -0500

>So I'm trying to help a good friend locate a banjo for her husband . . .

Is this being used just as a prop, or does it actually have to play?  Oh -- 
it's a gift!    ;)

Try craigslist.org for the nearest metropolitan center nearest you.  You can 
find many instruments there, but the selection is completely random, as are 
the prices.

Daddy's Junky Music and Guitar Center both carry banjos (at least, both 
stores when I've visited have at least oen banjo in-store.)  As dealers, 
they can probably place a special order for you.  They could also put you in 
touch with local players who might have a second or third instrument they'er 
willing to part with.


Matthew Breton
Design for Theater and Dance

_________________________________________________________________
Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as 
fast as 1 year 
http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116


------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42633936 [at] prxy.net> <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <A2D457D4-9BB8-49D0-9343-788B1D02D300 [at] cmich.edu>
From: Stan Jensen <jense1s [at] cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Banjo anyone?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:08:50 -0500

On Feb 21, 2007, at 6:44 AM, Joel Harari wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> So I'm trying to help a good friend locate a banjo for her husband,  
> and
> since it is a little unusual I thought of "the list". Any ideas  
> besides
> Google and the like?
>
> Specifically she is looking for a Deering Sierra banjo in excellent
> condition.



Try Elderly Instruments in Lansing, MI. They publish a catalog and  
have a pretty comprehensive web site:

www.elderly.com


Stan Jensen

Central Michigan University
Communication & Dramatic Arts




------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:15:36 -0500
Subject: Re: *** Spam ***  Banjo anyone?
From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C201B028.120B6%deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>

eBay

> From: "Joel Harari" <harari_j [at] adelphia.net>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:44:44 -0800
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: *** Spam ***  Banjo anyone?
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> So I'm trying to help a good friend locate a banjo for her husband, and
> since it is a little unusual I thought of "the list". Any ideas besides
> Google and the like?
> 
> Specifically she is looking for a Deering Sierra banjo in excellent
> condition.
> 
> TIA
> Joel Harari
> 
> 


------------------------------

From: "David B. Nelson" <d.b.nelson [at] comcast.net>
References: <list-42626525 [at] prxy.net> <list-42637629 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:46:46 -0500
Message-ID: <023101c755be$ba70f2a0$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603>
In-Reply-To: <list-42637629 [at] prxy.net>

> Channel 1 doesn't control the dimmer assigned to it.

There is a proportional soft-patch feature, I vaguely recall that sometimes
(maybe by default) the dimmer address gets patched onto the channel at 0
percent.  I recall having a "head-scratcher" similar to that you describe,
and that was the solution.

Regards,

Dave Nelson

Technical Director
Adams Memorial Opera House
Derry, NH, USA



------------------------------

Subject: RE: Banjo anyone?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:15:04 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0779726B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Specifically she is looking for a Deering Sierra banjo in=20
> excellent condition.

You can get that particular model from http://www.musiciansfriend.com/.
Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/ynm6vl

I think I paid about as much for my second car as that lists for,
though.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:43:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <list-42647398 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <362632.65046.qm [at] web84015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott:

I do remember seeing the DMX output specifically
saying 1-256 so I don't think that is the problem. 
All the other channels work fine and do what they are
asked.

Al
--- Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Do the rest of the channels work as they should? I
> had this happen
> once that the first 7 channels didn't work at all
> and all the others
> were just acting weird.
> It turned out that the DMX output had been set to
> start at 8 instead
> of 1. So, the board was sending out my dimmer 1
> wishes to dimmer 8
> instead.
> Just a thought.
> Scott
> 
> On 2/20/07, Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I'm using an ETC Express 24 channel board with a
> > problem.
> >
> > Channel 1 doesn't control the dimmer assigned to
> it.
> >
> 
> 	Scott C. Parker
> 	Professor/Technical Director
> 	Dept. of Performing Arts
> 	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace
> University
> 	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
> 	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
> 	New York, NY 10038
> 	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425
> 


Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun.

------------------------------

Reply-To: <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
From: "Steven Hood" <stevhoo [at] regent.edu>
References: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: bendable lauan
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:48:39 -0500
Organization: Regent University Scene Shop
Message-ID: <003701c755c7$61fad5b0$0802010a [at] regent.edu>
In-reply-to: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>

For those interested in bendable lauan...

There's a company here in Chesapeake, VA, called, go figure, Chesapeake
Hardwoods. If my info is right, they manufacture bendable lauan, which they
sell through Weyerhauser. Kempsville Building Materials, where I buy most of
my lumber (including homasote and hardboard and just about whatever else I
need), gets it directly from Chesapeake Hardwoods... According to their
website (www.chpi.com), they were formed by acquiring Weyerhauser's
panelling manufacture division. How a small company here in the tidewater
could afford to buy out even a portion of a large lumber company like
Weyerhauser is beyond me... Another source,
http://www.multinationalmonitor.com/hyper/issues/1992/10/mm1092_12.html,
contains the following:

Environmentalists charge the company is a major importer of tropical hard
woods. Walters denies the claim, stating, "We don't harvest tropical
hardwoods, nor do we buy trees that someone else has harvested." The San
Francisco-based Rainforest Action Network (RAN), however, has called for a
boycott of Weyerhaeuser because of the company's alleged hardwood timber
trading. Pamela Wellner, tropical timber campaign coordinator for RAN, says,
"After the boycott began, the company's Indonesian operations were sold to
Chesapeake Hardwoods. Weyerhaeuser remains a buyer through that company, but
now we are unable to get a clear idea of the volume it imports." 

It is by no means accidental that Weyerhaeuser's holdings are not easily
traceable to the parent company. The corporation has managed to separate
itself from its international subsidiaries through a series of carefully
planned divestments. According to Wellner, "there's no way to get the full
scope of Weyerhaeuser's involvement in other countries, whether it's
operations, use of products or imports. The company has become expert in
hiding its trail." 

 Chesapeake Hardwood in Indonesia is an example of a Weyerhaeuser front
corporation. It was named for a Weyerhaeuser plant in Chesapeake, Virginia
which produces wall paneling that has tropical hardwood as its main
material. In 1989, Chesapeake was "sold" to a newly-formed affiliate of the
Indonesian Kalimanis group. Weyerhaeuser managers remain at the helm, and
Weyerhaeuser remains a major customer and distributor for the new company.

----
I found this site via google, so I don't have any info to back it up, but it
certainly isn't very kind to Weyerhauser. The rest of the page is also
pretty critical of the company. All that said, I still cover most of my
scenery in muslin anyway, so filling the little cracks in the grain when
bending this stuff isn't really an issue. I've bent it to curves as small as
8" in diameter, though it does creak a bit when doing that, and the cracks
get wider as they are forced to spread... I usually buy it to bend in the 8'
direction since we usually use it in strips for curved platforms, window
facings, and such... We can get it to bend in the 4' direction to do
columns, but a sonotube column is the same cost and requires less framing. I
always sand the sonotube smooth before covering it in muslin, though, to
avoid the spiral feature of the paper wraps...

Cheers, y'all
Steven


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:56:01 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: First gig
In-Reply-To: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <520646.48953.qm [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com>


I always preach the three "
C's"....Communication, Collaboration, Cooperation.

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Finding fabulous fares is fun.  
Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

------------------------------

From: RHolen [at] vinu.edu
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:59:38 -0600
Message-ID: <OF65A5B5A1.FFA64350-ON86257289.00525D6B-86257289.00525D77 [at] vinu.edu>

I just closed "Hedda". The production director said to my students,"Which
one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most of my students were
offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I can think of many
other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.

R. Holen
Vincennes University


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:00:09 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Met pool heater
In-Reply-To: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <190909.21305.qm [at] web50601.mail.yahoo.com>

Try using a small elec. water heater and a timer.
Intake at one end of the pool and discharge at the
other end of the pool. Let the water heat in the
heater for about 10-15mins, then cycle the pump for
about 10-15mins. We used this method with our pool and
could maintain 70+ degrees no problem. As others have
said insulate, cover, filter, treat, and secure. 


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Want to start your own business?
Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:04:59 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: first gig and paper work
In-Reply-To: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <289685.8322.qm [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com>


All the I-9 requires is that someone *LOOKS* at your
drivers license and social security card. You *DO NOT*
have to let them copy them. In today's word of
identity theft it is not recommended to let anyone
copy that info. If your employer wants to make a
photocopy of that info, simply point out that the
instructions on the form say review, not photocopy.

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Never miss an email again!
Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:06:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C201CA3C.7B56%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42651375 [at] prxy.net>

Tell him how much you enjoy working with the acties.  That is at least
better than meat puppets.
Steve R


On 2/21/07 9:59 AM, "RHolen [at] vinu.edu" <RHolen [at] vinu.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said to my students,"Which
> one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most of my students were
> offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I can think of many
> other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.
> 
> R. Holen
> Vincennes University
> 


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:09:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?
From: Bill Potter <bpotter [at] sps.edu>
Message-ID: <C201CADB.3C68%bpotter [at] sps.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42651375 [at] prxy.net>

I spent a bunch of time training a director I used to work with, (at a high
school with a MAJOR arts program,) NOT to call out "Techie! I need a
techie." when she needed assistance during techs and rehearsals. I tried to
get here to understand that if she needed something from the props crew, she
probably didn't want the light board op leaving their post to come out on
stage. Shge got better, but I don't think I ever really got through to her.
(Fortunately, I don't have to work with this individual anymore. EVERYTHING
was pretty much about HER.)

I was always tempted to call out "Acty, I need an acty onstage!" (We did
occasionally refer to the actors as "Meat Puppets", but not in from of the
cast.) I also wanted to say during first tech, "I don't think your cast is
ready to use my set yet."

Bill Potter
St. Paul's School
Concord NH



On 2/21/07 9:59 AM, "RHolen [at] vinu.edu" <RHolen [at] vinu.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said to my students,"Which
> one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most of my students were
> offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I can think of many
> other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.
> 
> R. Holen
> Vincennes University
> 


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:17:51 -0700
From: Davy Davis <wdavis [at] du.edu>
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?
In-reply-to: <list-42651375 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <45DC629F.9040208 [at] du.edu>
References: <list-42651375 [at] prxy.net>

When we run into that I start referring to actors as acties and 
directors as directies.  It's never lasted long.  Especially if you 
escalate to referring to actors as "meat puppets".
Davy
William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair
Department of Theatre
University of Denver
wdavis [at] du.edu
303-871-3164

RHolen [at] vinu.edu wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said to my students,"Which
> one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most of my students were
> offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I can think of many
> other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.
> 
> R. Holen
> Vincennes University
> 
> 
> 


------------------------------

Subject: RE: Hedda Techie?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:21:51 -0500
Message-ID: <A0D23911F200384FB337A1CC213C6EACD75E1F [at] serverbh.ballethispanico.org>
From: "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>

I must concur. I have never liked the term "techie". Stagehand is my
preferred.

-----Original Message-----
From: Davy Davis [mailto:wdavis [at] du.edu]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:18 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

When we run into that I start referring to actors as acties and=20
directors as directies.  It's never lasted long.  Especially if you=20
escalate to referring to actors as "meat puppets".
Davy
William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair
Department of Theatre
University of Denver
wdavis [at] du.edu
303-871-3164

RHolen [at] vinu.edu wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said to my
students,"Which
> one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most of my students were
> offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I can think of many
> other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.
>=20
> R. Holen
> Vincennes University
>=20
>=20
>=20



------------------------------

Message-ID: <80b44ce00702210723m6634ee03v427b402ce86982c0 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:23:32 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <pguncheon [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Upsom Board

 <<I've also kerfed
regular 1/4" lauan on 1/4" centers,>>

And then what... you we're able to roll it into a 2" tube?

My word... talk about patience.

Laters,

Paul

------------------------------

Subject: RE: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:38:30 -0500
Message-ID: <A0D23911F200384FB337A1CC213C6EACD75E21 [at] serverbh.ballethispanico.org>
From: "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>

I have always thought that one may not the ability or knowledge to
perform certain tasks, but anybody can be on time.

-----Original Message-----
From: b Ricie [mailto:b_ricie [at] yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:56 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: First gig

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


I always preach the three "
C's"....Communication, Collaboration, Cooperation.

Brian Rice=20
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the=20
light."


=20
________________________________________________________________________
____________
Finding fabulous fares is fun. =20
Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight
and hotel bargains.
http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:42:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?
In-Reply-To: <list-42651375 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <296621.60527.qm [at] web84006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I also hate that term.  Never have liked it but folks
outside the business see it as an acceptable endearing
term.


--- RHolen [at] vinu.edu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said
> to my students,"Which
> one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most
> of my students were
> offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I
> can think of many
> other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.
> 
> R. Holen
> Vincennes University
> 
> 


Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun.

------------------------------

From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:50:38 -0500
Message-ID: <JCEGLMFBOOMOFFJALNFFCEIDCFAA.mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42652543 [at] prxy.net>

Basic courtesy, whether you are working a first gig, your tenth gig, your
hundreth or your thousandth, goes an amazing distance.  Whether you are the
"dude in charge" or the crew.  It takes no more time to add a please and
thank you--but it's a lot more pleasant for all involved.  And if you're
planning to do this kind of work for any time at all, anything that smooths
the process is good.  You'll get a lot of respect from your coworkers,
employer and the client for courtesy.

The added benefit is that when something goes terribly wrong and someone
yells "Move! NOW!" crew members tend to catch the difference in tone and
simply react.

Mike Brubaker
Head of Design
Associated Controls + Design
6850 N Guion Rd
Indianapolis, IN 46268

T: 800.382.3961 x117
T: 317.298.3961 x117
F: 317-293-0281



------------------------------

From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: Hedda Techie?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:53:01 -0500
Message-ID: <JCEGLMFBOOMOFFJALNFFGEIDCFAA.mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42652672 [at] prxy.net>

Al Fitch wrote:

>I also hate that term.  Never have liked it but folks
>outside the business see it as an acceptable endearing
>term.

The problem is the people INSIDE the business that see it as an acceptable
endearing term.  I don't really get to uptight about it, myself.

Mike Brubaker
Head of Design
Associated Controls + Design
6850 N Guion Rd
Indianapolis, IN 46268

T: 800.382.3961 x117
T: 317.298.3961 x117
F: 317-293-0281



------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42633936 [at] prxy.net> <list-42646532 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <BAFE94AE-DD0C-488D-AD9E-6C819D4EA0A5 [at] appstate.edu>
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Banjo anyone?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:46:16 -0500


On Feb 21, 2007, at 6:44 AM, Joel Harari wrote:

> So I'm trying to help a good friend locate a banjo for her husband,  
> and
> since it is a little unusual I thought of "the list". Any ideas  
> besides
> Google and the like?
>
> Specifically she is looking for a Deering Sierra banjo in excellent
> condition.


Joel,
   Try http://www.gruhn.com/ . George Gruhn sells vintage guitars  
primarily, but also a wide selection of banjos as well. He or his  
staff should be able to help. Since they're in Nashville, they may  
know of other outlets as well.

-=Greg Williams=-
www.LRLR.org

------------------------------

From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: Theatre Recommandations...
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:59:06 -0500
Message-ID: <JCEGLMFBOOMOFFJALNFFAEIECFAA.mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42534696 [at] prxy.net>

Catherine Brumm wrote:

<snip>

"If the space will be used for speakers and college events get a projection
screen placed in the fly systems...electrified so it can be lowered and
raised remotely if you have small prep staff or it needs to happen during
the event."

Pet peeve, here...

If you're getting a projection screen, especially roll-up motorized, find a
place in the proscenium or just forward to install it.  NOT in your fly
system.  It permanently ties up a batten in what is likely to be prime real
estate (1st third of the system).  It will also impact what you can do with
the adjacent battens--the boxes tend to be 12-14" square.  Finally, using
the screen will control everything else on the stage.  Downstage of the
proscenium, you can close the main, drop the screen, and go--leaving the
orchestra set for tonight's concert.

Mike Brubaker
Head of Design
Associated Controls + Design
6850 N Guion Rd
Indianapolis, IN 46268

T: 800.382.3961 x117
T: 317.298.3961 x117
F: 317-293-0281



------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-42652672 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42652672 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <47920F43-F007-4C33-9764-2CC90AE2D423 [at] appstate.edu>
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:01:52 -0500


> --- RHolen [at] vinu.edu wrote:
>>
>> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said
>> to my students,"Which
>> one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most
>> of my students were
>> offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I
>> can think of many
>> other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.


I agree completely. I usually respond that we prefer "Technical  
Artists" (as opposed to their "Performing Artists"), but will settle  
for Technician or Stagehand. If it persists, I also start using  
"teachie", "actie", "directie", "writie", "conductie", whatever I can  
come up with. It doesn't usually take very long until they get the  
point, or at least stop using the derogatory term just to shut me up.

-=Greg Williams=-
www.LRLR.org

------------------------------

Message-ID: <45DC6F57.6090600 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:12:07 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Theatre Recommandations...
References: <list-42653222 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42653222 [at] prxy.net>

Michael Brubaker wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------

> Pet peeve, here...
> 
> If you're getting a projection screen, especially roll-up motorized, find a
> place in the proscenium or just forward to install it.  NOT in your fly
> system.  It permanently ties up a batten in what is likely to be prime real
> estate (1st third of the system).  It will also impact what you can do with
> the adjacent battens--the boxes tend to be 12-14" square.  Finally, using
> the screen will control everything else on the stage.  Downstage of the
> proscenium, you can close the main, drop the screen, and go--leaving the
> orchestra set for tonight's concert.

Here's an idea -- most prosceniums are 12-18" thick.  If you can plan 
for it in the construction phase, install the screen in the proscenium 
with an access hatch in the upstage side of the wall. The screen and its 
mechanics are hidden and out-of-the-way for theatrical usage.

The added bonus is that this puts the screen downstage of the main rag 
so you don't have to clear the stage for projected events.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

------------------------------

Subject: RE: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:17:32 -0500
Message-ID: <A0D23911F200384FB337A1CC213C6EACD75E22 [at] serverbh.ballethispanico.org>
From: "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>

As a touring SM, I have realized that it is the house crew that has the
advantage. I found out a long time ago the truth of the proverb that
honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brubaker [mailto:mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:51 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: First gig

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Basic courtesy, whether you are working a first gig, your tenth gig,
your
hundreth or your thousandth, goes an amazing distance.  Whether you are
the
"dude in charge" or the crew.  It takes no more time to add a please and
thank you--but it's a lot more pleasant for all involved.  And if you're
planning to do this kind of work for any time at all, anything that
smooths
the process is good.  You'll get a lot of respect from your coworkers,
employer and the client for courtesy.

The added benefit is that when something goes terribly wrong and someone
yells "Move! NOW!" crew members tend to catch the difference in tone and
simply react.

Mike Brubaker
Head of Design
Associated Controls + Design
6850 N Guion Rd
Indianapolis, IN 46268

T: 800.382.3961 x117
T: 317.298.3961 x117
F: 317-293-0281




------------------------------

From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: Theatre Recommandations...
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:21:49 -0500
Message-ID: <JCEGLMFBOOMOFFJALNFFOEIECFAA.mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42653638 [at] prxy.net>

Stephen Litterst wrote:

"Here's an idea -- most prosceniums are 12-18" thick.  If you can plan
for it in the construction phase, install the screen in the proscenium
with an access hatch in the upstage side of the wall. The screen and its
mechanics are hidden and out-of-the-way for theatrical usage.

"The added bonus is that this puts the screen downstage of the main rag
so you don't have to clear the stage for projected events."

YES!

Takes a little bit more coordination but it does work.  The actual
proscenium (as a functional component of the fire-safety plan) is designed
12" higher than the finished opening.  The finished opening gets the screen
in the middle and trimmed out for the rest.

And, as Steve says, it looks good and is out of the way for most events.

Mike Brubaker
Head of Design
Associated Controls + Design
6850 N Guion Rd
Indianapolis, IN 46268

T: 800.382.3961 x117
T: 317.298.3961 x117
F: 317-293-0281



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:28:55 -0600
From: Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
Subject: RE: Hedda Techie?
In-reply-to: <list-42653472 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: rojohnso [at] cord.edu
Message-id: <000001c755d5$61aed030$6b79818a [at] THE6266>
Organization: Concordia College

Funny, I have not run in to it much, but when I have it hasn't bothered me
much. Guess it is because I consider myself to be a Trekkie. I usually just
consider the source and let it wash off me.

Robert Johnson
Technical Director
Concordia College

(218) 299-3821
rojohnso [at] cord.edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Greg
Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:02 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------


> --- RHolen [at] vinu.edu wrote:
>>
>> I just closed "Hedda". The production director said to my 
>> students,"Which one of you "Techies" are working back stage?" Most of 
>> my students were offended by the term. Technical Staff, Stage Crew. I 
>> can think of many other terms.  But a Ticky, Tacky, Techie.


I agree completely. I usually respond that we prefer "Technical Artists" (as
opposed to their "Performing Artists"), but will settle for Technician or
Stagehand. If it persists, I also start using "teachie", "actie",
"directie", "writie", "conductie", whatever I can come up with. It doesn't
usually take very long until they get the point, or at least stop using the
derogatory term just to shut me up.

-=Greg Williams=-
www.LRLR.org


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:33:35 -0500
Subject: Infrared monitor suggestions?
From: John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <C201DE8F.16CA7%stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>

Oh wise and wonderful list folks -

A small university theatre I've been working with needs an infrared monitor
so the stage manager can see when the stage is clear or scene changes are
complete during blackouts. The only real place for the camera is in the FOH
ceiling cove, and that makes it a 50' throw to the stage, where the
proscenium is about 30' wide.

I looked into wireless baby monitors, which would be great from a price
standpoint, but they advertise as only working up to 20' or so. I assume
that's because their LED IR emitters aren't bright enough to go any further?

Obviously for this purpose, the resolution doesn't need to be breathtaking.

I know I can point a regular PAR at the stage and gel it very, very heavily
with red gel and that will help, but I'd rather have a "real" IR emitter.
The question is, who sells them, and how bright should I be looking for?

Also, any suggestions for something better than the baby monitor? Whatever
it is, it does need to be wireless. Among other things, it will likely be
moved between theaters occasionally.

Thanks!

- John





------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070221110220.0342de38 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:34:34 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Help trying to figure out why a channel doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <list-42650904 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42647398 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42650904 [at] prxy.net>

Al,

Was it not the Parked channel?  Does it say "Park Enabled" when 
you're in stage?  If it says "Park enabled" in either screen that 
means that you do have parked channels or dimmers.  To fix that go 
into [Stage], [S6] (park), and select the channel or dimmer and then 
hit [Release].

If it does not say "Park Enabled"...Can you bring the channel up with 
the [Channel] [1] [ [at] ] [Full] command?  If so, is it possible that the 
faders are set as Subs?  In [Setup] you can go into System Settings 
[1] then Set Channels/Submasters 1-to-1 [11].  that would fix that problem.


************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


------------------------------

Subject: RE: Banjo anyone?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:34:03 -0500
Message-ID: <B3D6924DCCF99C45A449AA92E8184D6179DACE [at] mailserver.mtbethel.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-42653071 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>

Here in Marietta, GA a friend owns, http://banjo.com

He also owns unicycle.com......go figure.

Alf
[Yes, he can play and ride at the same time. ]


------------------------------

Message-ID: <45DC7832.7030508 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:49:54 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
References: <list-42654245 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42654245 [at] prxy.net>

John McKernon wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------- 
> A small university theatre I've been working with needs an infrared monitor
> so the stage manager can see when the stage is clear or scene changes are
> complete during blackouts. The only real place for the camera is in the FOH
> ceiling cove, and that makes it a 50' throw to the stage, where the
> proscenium is about 30' wide.

> Obviously for this purpose, the resolution doesn't need to be breathtaking.

> Also, any suggestions for something better than the baby monitor? Whatever
> it is, it does need to be wireless. Among other things, it will likely be
> moved between theaters occasionally.

I've had good results with a day/night security camera from MCM.

http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=82%2D11481
http://tinyurl.com/yqbww2

It's not wireless, but you could find a gizmo to make it wireless.
http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=33%2D4725
http://tinyurl.com/3ydvny

The advertised range is 45' but I've found its baby brother effective up 
to 60'.  Possibly further but the theatre is only 60' across.

One advantage of a day/night camera is that it's a color camera when 
there's sufficient light but swaps over to IR/BW mode in low light.  So 
your SM is only watching one FOH monitor.


Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

------------------------------

Message-Id: <s5dc3459.038 [at] gwia.harford.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:00:17 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" <JKanyuck [at] Harford.edu>
Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?

Oh wise and wonderful list folks -

<SNIP> but I'd rather have a "real" IR emitter.
The question is, who sells them, and how bright should I be looking
for?

Also, any suggestions for something better than the baby monitor?
Whatever
it is, it does need to be wireless. Among other things, it will likely
be
moved between theaters occasionally.

Thanks!

- John



John,
    A company I've been working with is Security Cameras Direct.
If you call them at 800-316-6027 and give them the info on the sizes of
space you need to use it in, they can tell you what cameras will do what
you want and pricing. 
    End of fiscal year I'll be getting two cameras and monitors from
them for our spaces.



Jeff Kanyuck
Technical Director
Cultural Events & Performing Arts
Harford Community College
401 Thomas Run Road
Bel Air, MD 21015
410-836-4369 Office
410-836-4251 Fax
410-322-5905 Cellphone
jkanyuck [at] harford.edu


------------------------------

Message-ID: <XAtccdHHvH3FFwFt [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:05:11 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Australia banning incandescents
References: <list-42635390 [at] prxy.net> <list-42647471 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-42647588 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42647588 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-42647588 [at] prxy.net>, Andy Ciddor 
<aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au> writes
>Come on Clive. Don't be such a pessimist.
>I eagerly await the first shipment of CFL- powered profile spots (ERS).
>Sounds like a project that the innovators at CCT should be working on 
>right now.

That's the worst thing about CFL fresnels.  They take about 5 minutes to 
reach full intensity.  :)

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

------------------------------

Message-ID: <gzehgxJIzH3FFwBQ [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:09:28 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
References: <list-42654245 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42654245 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-42654245 [at] prxy.net>, John McKernon 
<stg2006 [at] mckernon.com> writes
>I know I can point a regular PAR at the stage and gel it very, very 
>heavily with red gel and that will help, but I'd rather have a "real" 
>IR emitter. The question is, who sells them, and how bright should I be 
>looking for?

Ebay?  Lots of infra red CCTV cameras and large IR floodlights.

The trick of gelling a theatrical instrument is to use a few layers of 
contrasting colours like green and red.  Theatrical gel is designed to 
be almost transparent to infra red to keep heat damage down.

Obviously with all the visible spectrum being absorbed it's worth using 
a lower powered instrument.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

------------------------------

Message-ID: <019201c755dc$0226ece0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco>
From: "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
References: <list-42653787 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:16:20 -0800

From: "Bill Schaffner"

As a touring SM, I have realized that it is the house crew that has the
advantage. I found out a long time ago the truth of the proverb that
honey attracts more flies than vinegar.


  My mother used to say this.  I am still puzzled by the question of why you 
want to attract the flies in the first place.  On top of that, while the 
comparison with vinegar may be valid, I am confident that you can attract as 
many flies with fresh dung as you can with honey.  Perhaps more, as it is 
much more aromatic.  The analogy seems to fall apart if inspected at all 
closely.  One more in the file of 'mysterious things that people are fond of 
repeating.'



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:32:03 -0600
From: Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
Subject: RE: ACad problem
In-reply-to: <list-42410903 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: rojohnso [at] cord.edu
Message-id: <000201c755de$33650e70$6b79818a [at] THE6266>
Organization: Concordia College

I know that this discussion is kind of slowed but I did want to place one
more option on the table.

In AutoCAD you can print to a plot file and then send that file to the
printer. It does involve finding out what plotter the printer is using and
setting the drivers up on your computer, but most of the printers us major
manufacture so it is not that big a deal.

When that is set up you go in to plot just like you normally would, then
check plot to file. This way it is a what you see is what you get.

You will then have created a file with a plt extension. It basically has all
the information that the plotter needs to print the drawing. Best of all it
is a small size and can be easily be e-mailed to the printer. The is similar
to creating a PDF file but you don't need any add on software.

I have been doing this for years prior to getting access to my own plotter.

Robert Johnson
Technical Director
Concordia College

(218) 299-3821
rojohnso [at] cord.edu


------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-42655472 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42653787 [at] prxy.net> <list-42655472 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <0CC00572-5577-4940-895B-48E302A0A257 [at] appstate.edu>
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:20:53 -0500


On Feb 21, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Don Taco wrote:

>  My mother used to say this.  I am still puzzled by the question of  
> why you want to attract the flies in the first place.  On top of  
> that, while the comparison with vinegar may be valid, I am  
> confident that you can attract as many flies with fresh dung as you  
> can with honey.  Perhaps more, as it is much more aromatic.  The  
> analogy seems to fall apart if inspected at all closely.  One more  
> in the file of 'mysterious things that people are fond of repeating.'


Anybody know how to clean vegetarian Mexican casserole off a laptop  
monitor and keyboard?
-=Greg Williams=-
www.LRLR.org

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:43:50 -0500
Subject: Re: First gig
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C201EF06.19F48%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42656049 [at] prxy.net>




On 2/21/07 12:20 PM, "Greg Williams" <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Don Taco wrote:
> 
>>  My mother used to say this.  I am still puzzled by the question of
>> why you want to attract the flies in the first place.  On top of
>> that, while the comparison with vinegar may be valid, I am
>> confident that you can attract as many flies with fresh dung as you
>> can with honey.  Perhaps more, as it is much more aromatic.  The
>> analogy seems to fall apart if inspected at all closely.  One more
>> in the file of 'mysterious things that people are fond of repeating.'
> 
> 
> Anybody know how to clean vegetarian Mexican casserole off a laptop
> monitor and keyboard?
> -=Greg Williams=-
> www.LRLR.org



Flies????




------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-42656228 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42656228 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <FB0067A1-15F3-4D0B-A3F4-DC5E55C7B457 [at] hillmardesign.com>
From: gregg hillmar <gregg [at] hillmardesign.com>
Subject: Re: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:49:34 -0500

On Feb 21, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote:

>>
>> On Feb 21, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Don Taco wrote:
>>
>>>  My mother used to say this.  I am still puzzled by the question of
>>> why you want to attract the flies in the first place.  On top of
>>> that, while the comparison with vinegar may be valid, I am
>>> confident that you can attract as many flies with fresh dung as you
>>> can with honey.  Perhaps more, as it is much more aromatic.  The
>>> analogy seems to fall apart if inspected at all closely.  One more
>>> in the file of 'mysterious things that people are fond of  
>>> repeating.'
>>
>>
>> Anybody know how to clean vegetarian Mexican casserole off a laptop
>> monitor and keyboard?
>> -=Greg Williams=-
>> www.LRLR.org
>
>
>
> Flies????

counterweight or hemp? But then we'd just have to get a clew...

g.
_____________________
gregg hillmar
scenic & lighting design
portfolio & life as we know it:
http://www.hillmardesign.com

"The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail  
instead of his tongue."
		Anonymous/Aerosmith


------------------------------

Message-ID: <4590d63e0702211013l6e4e85cy23a28ef3e6bc240c [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:13:37 -0600
From: "Warren Stiles" <warren.stiles [at] gmail.com>
Subject: More AutoCAD Questions

I have two viewport questions for AutoCAD 2005 users:

1) Is there an easy way to rotate my view within a viewport? For
example, if I am looking at a drawing of a coffee mug through 3
viewports set up for front, right and top views, and the top view
shows the mug handle pointing down on my screen, can I rotate that
view of the object so that the handle is pointing to the right without
altering the image in my other viewports?

2) I recently used the vplayer command to freeze/thaw various
dimension layers, which did exactly what I wanted. Later, when I
reopened the file, none of the effected layers were visible. They do
still appear when I plot the file, and they layers are definitely on,
but objects in those layers are not visible (either in model or paper
space) unless selected. Any ideas as to how I can restore them?

TIA

-- 
G. Warren Stiles
Production Manager
Orange Lemon Egg Canary

------------------------------

Subject: RE: First gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:19:11 -0500
Message-ID: <A0D23911F200384FB337A1CC213C6EACD75E23 [at] serverbh.ballethispanico.org>
From: "Bill Schaffner" <BSCHAFFNER [at] ballethispanico.org>

True, but I think everyone knows what I mean...

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Taco [mailto:taco [at] peak.org]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:16 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: First gig

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

From: "Bill Schaffner"

As a touring SM, I have realized that it is the house crew that has the
advantage. I found out a long time ago the truth of the proverb that
honey attracts more flies than vinegar.


  My mother used to say this.  I am still puzzled by the question of why
you=20
want to attract the flies in the first place.  On top of that, while the

comparison with vinegar may be valid, I am confident that you can
attract as=20
many flies with fresh dung as you can with honey.  Perhaps more, as it
is=20
much more aromatic.  The analogy seems to fall apart if inspected at all

closely.  One more in the file of 'mysterious things that people are
fond of=20
repeating.'




------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221114557.00cab370 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:45:57
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: foil, epee or sabre

>I don't follow your reasoning. An epee blade is as strong as you will
find, and safe while whole. 

I just returned from an event where I carried a rapier in anger the whole
time.  In melee, too.  I know, I know, "Why melee?".  Because it's fun, and
no real other reson.
Anyhoo, there were quite a few weapons, and no epees.  Wanna know why?
Epees, and other Olympic styled fencing swords, Frank's opinion
notwithstanding, are not "as strong as you will find", and while they are
safe while whole, are remarkably dangerouse when not whole.   There are
many swordsmiths that will make you a rapier that is from nearly any period
that rapiers were used in, without an edge, and with a flattened, turned,
or button tip.  These if subjected to *MUCH* abuse, will also break.  They
will break in a square, flat end, in an enormous percentage of the breaks,
and your danger lies in being scratched by a corner.  Epees will break
(their flexibility requires that they be more brittle in their chemical
construction) in a point at least as often as flat, and become deadly in an
instant.  A period rapier (those that watch their 'Mythbusters' religiously
will know) will withstand the onslaught of a period Japanese (sumurai)
sword.  An epee will shatter.
If you wish to use fights in a play, use a fight choreographer that knows
the weapon, the safety, the history, and theatre.  If you wish to use
anyone unfamiliar with any of these things, use Nerf (tm).
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221114617.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:46:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing

>but it
>involved an actor getting angry at an actress. At the (one and only)
>performance, he lost himself and almost dislocated her jaw

I would regard this as an assault.  When I choreograph a fight, my first
instructions include that we are working with weapons, and anything that
isn't choreographed is an assualt.  Pointing an unloaded blank pistol at
another person is considered a criminal act in most states in the US.
Consent will nullify the criminal part on most of them.  Raising a sword is
no different.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221115550.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:55:50
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent sources

>> What is quoted for sources such as CFLs, fluorescents and any other
>> kind of discharge lamp, is actually a *correlated* colour
>> temperature, 

I've mentioned these guys in the last CFL vs Incandescent
thread.<http://www.kinoflo.com/>
T'all squints go tell me what they are, compared to what you need.  I jussa
skweek, whadoeyeno?

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221120238.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:02:38
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent sources

>> What they can't do is to suppress the green and blue.
>
>It makes my heart all aflutter to finally see the majority of people on this 
>list finally agreeing with Frank!!

As the current goes down, and the lamp runs cooler, the blue/green mercury
discharge reaction goes down, producing less in the blue/green spectrum.
Ya feel better now, Charlie?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <e7a2c8a10702211126t31bd023eo51cb42d4f7ab6b92 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:27:00 -0500
From: "Paul Marsland" <pmarsland [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: first gig and paper work
In-Reply-To: <list-42651571 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net> <list-42651571 [at] prxy.net>

While true, my payroll department requires copies of each for
background checks and SS validation.  Having been fined by the SSA for
having incorrect names and numbers to match them with, they just don't
bother with options anymore.  If I can't copy your info, then I can't
hire you.

On 2/21/07, b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> All the I-9 requires is that someone *LOOKS* at your
> drivers license and social security card. You *DO NOT*
> have to let them copy them. In today's word of
> identity theft it is not recommended to let anyone
> copy that info. If your employer wants to make a
> photocopy of that info, simply point out that the
> instructions on the form say review, not photocopy.
>
> Brian Rice

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221121516.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:15:16
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems

>> Damn!  You argue with Dave about rigging, too?  
>Where have I ever argued with Dave about rigging?

Having opinions is one thing, baiting is yet another, affecting an obtusity
for the sake of winning an argument is reserved fro those of low birth and
poor upbringing.  I refuse to believe that you qualify in either race.
You mentioned that an RF transmitter could be used with a microphone.  I
suggested that the microphone is not the tool to use to transmit program,
the mixer is.  I mentioned it because it is true, and the line level
transmitter is no more expensive (and sometimes cheaper) to rent or
purchase than a decent mic.
*IF* you have to use an RF transmitter in the theatrical microphone range
(notice, if you will, that my first set of suggestions included using an FM
transmitter, and that FM is RF...) a microphone used to pick up program is
going to color and change the program material comoing from the mixer in
disasterous ways and you might as well use the money and effort elsewhere.
Or save it up until you can do the project reasonably well.  'Disasterous',
in this case, means it will pick up quite a bit of distortion, ambient
sound, and may not be intelligable at all at the other end.
A line level transmitter, on the other hand, will be as good as the mix at
the starting location, and the results at the remote locations are
depending only on the RF connection's quality.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <45DCA3F9.609 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:56:41 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <theatre [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: Dreampossible Inc.
Subject: Re: real thing vs. "prop" thing
References: <list-42658810 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42658810 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:
>>but it
>>involved an actor getting angry at an actress. At the (one and only)
>>performance, he lost himself and almost dislocated her jaw
> 
> 
> I would regard this as an assault.  When I choreograph a fight, my first
> instructions include that we are working with weapons, and anything that
> isn't choreographed is an assualt.

Agreed. I should mention, by the way, that there were no weapons
involved in this particular fight.

I've been thinking about it, and here's the incident as I recall it
(keep in mind this was about 20 years ago):

The choreography was: the actor and actress (i.e. their characters) were
arguing. He was to grab her and appear to shove her to the ground. The
actress, being the victim, was supposed to be in control of the whole
action. If I recall correctly, she was supposed to grab his wrist, and
then pull his hand towards her, while he pulled it away and then fall to
the ground. With good acting, it would appear as if he shoved her, when
in reality she was in control the whole time. That was how it worked at
rehearsals.

In the heat of performance, the actor put his hand on her chin (I do not
remember if that was the choreographed action, or if he grabbed the
wrong place). Instead of pulling away and letting her fall to the
ground, he actually pushed, wrenching her jaw.

-- 
Jim Hyslop

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221125853.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:58:53
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: First Gig

>I'm about to release my latest newsletter and I'm including a link to a page 
>I wrote called "What You Should Know On Your First Gig".

Pretty good!  I'd add, to the definition of 'call time', it's etymology.
The phrase comes from when your replacement is called, either on the phone
or from the waiting line of stand-bys.  If you aren't there, two minutes
later a replacement will be on his way.  You will be sent home even if they
have to wait ten or fifteen minutes for your replacement to get there.  The
proper thing to do to survive in this business is to offer to unload the
truck until your replacement arrives before you leave.  This will just, and
only just, make up for the fact that you were green enough to not be on teh
dock when work started.
Yep, it happened to me, too. O'course our BA made apologies to the steward
and myself for sending me to the wrong venue, but when I arrived at one
minute after eight, I was told by the steward that I had been replaced.  I
offered to fill in but was told that there had been a standby, and the call
was filled.  I thanked the steward and went home.  Arguing with the steward
would have been bad for our relations, and bad for the relations with the
client, and the house.  One way will cost you a days work, the other will
cost everyone work, mostly you.  Take it up with the BA.
Oh, and that cable coiling video is a joke.  That should be updated to at
least reflect that loony skweeks new haircut!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221130231.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:02:31
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: First Gig

>The only piece of advice/criticism would be to lose the foul language.

There are pieces of kit in this industry that only respond to the proper
cuss words.  We have all run across them.  Casual f-bombs and guttter talk
is one thing, but when it does't do what it's supposed to, and yoru face is
red from holding your breath and veins are standing out on your neck, when
the sweat rolls into your left eye, a percussive "F*&^ [at] #$" sometimes does
the trick.  
Know your audience, I think, is the key.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

From: joreth [at] techie.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:31:41 -0500
Subject: Re: First Gig
Message-Id: <20070221203141.8B5A71158CC [at] ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

  <<   This is a male-dominated industry and it involves heavy manual labor=
 and
>   competent technical skills. >>
>
> This is one of the most sexist lines  of bullshit I've ever read! Take yo=
ur
> own advice and "get over [your]  gender bias."

In my experience, I have found the phrase "male-dominated industry" to be a=
ccurate, as=20
there is not an equal distribution of males to females on the jobsite.  It =
is not to=20
imply that only men can do heavy manual labor and have competent technical =
skills.  I=20
can seperate that into two statements if the implication is unclear.  The s=
tatement is=20
meant for girls (I have personally worked with) who come onto the jobsite a=
nd don't=20
want to get their hands dirty.  I've seen some girls actually let road case=
s roll down=20
the ramp unchecked because they were too afraid to put their hands on it.  =
Girls coming=20
into the business need to understand that they have to perform to a certain=
 set of=20
standards that have historically been set by large and competant men.  Of c=
ourse, I=20
address the men's gender bias at another point where I remind them that tho=
se of us=20
women, who do work in this field, know what it takes to work here and to no=
t assume we=20
are this type of girl just because we happen to be female.  Remember, this =
is for first-timers who have never worked in the business before ... and I'=
m also female.

> You're list is far too long.

thank you for the comment, I agree it is long.  But every time I try and sh=
orten it,=20
people come up with a long list of things they want me to mention.  Even no=
w, there are=20
requests to add something I didn't address.  Your list is short and sweet a=
nd to the=20
point.  But it doesn't cover some of the points I find myself making at eve=
ry gig.=20=20
I've said the stuff on this list so often, it comes out automatically, word=
 for word,=20
like a rehearsed script.

< <<Most female stagehands I know work harder and are just as strong  as the
< males and will take SERIOUS offense at any guy who grabs a heavy load out=
  of
< her hands or elbows her out of the way to push a heavy box.>>

< Nah... we just think "What a stupid jerk! If he wants to do all the  heavy
< lifting, we're more than willing to let him."

That's why I said "stagehands I know".  There is one in particular who gets=
 downright viscious if you try to help her run feeder cable.  She's legenda=
ry and we warn all newbies to treat her with respect.  She's about 4'8" and=
 the toughest chick I've ever met.  Anyone who works in Florida knows Darle=
ne and knows to stay back shen she's slinging feeder!


> Format-wise...how 'bout linking to separate (pop-up?) pages for the
> basic skills and tricks section, so that the whole isn't too daunting to
> the newbies?  That way they can focus on that at their leisure.

I had considered that, but opted not to only because the main site is a pro=
duct site focused on sales and I didn't want to start a precedent for havin=
g a bunch of non-store-related, (albeit industry-specific) pages.  There ar=
e lots of other personal stagehand websites out there with that kind of inf=
ormation and I don't want to create another one, I just didn't see a page l=
ike this anywhere else and I'd like to make Stagehand Tees an all-inclusive=
 resource for entertainment personnel to find what they need in one conveni=
ent location.  I'd rather link to the industry-related personal websites in=
 the Resources section so they can have visitors too.  As it is, I'm not ev=
en sure where I'm going to put a link to this page from the main page.  Oth=
er than including it in my newsletter, there won't be any way for anyone to=
 know this page exists unless they already know it exists!  I'll probably l=
ink to it in the Resources section, but unless my visitors visit that secti=
on, I don't know how I'm going to let them know this page exists yet.  It I=
S a lot of information to take in, especially for a newbie, which is why I =
added the links for the 2 seperate sections at the top at all.   But I will=
 reconsider this option.


> gig, show up a half-hour early and bring a Xerox copy of your driving
> license and Social Security Card (for US crew; for other countries,
> use whatever payroll identification documents are appropriate).

That is an excellent suggestion, I will add it.  I don't like to be crew ch=
ief, so I=20
tend to turn down those gigs most of the time and consequently I forget abo=
ut this=20
part.  Since I always end up training the newbies, I suppose I *should* tak=
e the crew=20
chief gigs more often ... at least then I'd get a pay raise for training!

  > The only piece of advice/criticism would be to lose the foul language.

I was concerned about the foul language myself.  I chose to leave it in bec=
ause I make=20
a point of saying "yes, we cuss, get over it" later down the line.  But per=
haps I will=20
leave the cussing to the section where I talk about cussing and remove it e=
lsewhere?

> I like it!  I would sugest that The long pipes be called Battens which
> is an english word, and not battons which is a mispelling of that
> word.

Spelling mistake noted.

> 3: Remember that the most important piece of safety equipment is carried
> between your ears.

I like that, I think I'll add that to the safety section.

> 1: Trust your instincts.  You know more than you think you do.
>
> 2: Keep your ears and eyes open.  You know less than you want to think
> you do.

I tried to address this in the "ask questions" and "jump in and help", but =
perhaps I=20
should reword it?

> Have you got something goofy on that page?  I can see your
> stagehandtees.com OK, but the Firstgig stuff crashes Firefox and
> Netscape every time...

That's interesting, it doesn't crash for me on either browser.  If you emai=
l me off the=20
list, we can try to troubleshoot it.  perhaps your RAM or video card isn't =
happy with=20
the quicktime file showing how to coil over-under?

> In the education section I would add that you should never utter the phra=
se,
> "At my school we always....." that was the kiss of death.  Nobody cares h=
ow

I tried to address that in the part about how the school setting isn't like=
 the Real=20
World, but I may reword it to include your phrasing.

> And something about growing a thick skin, ladies in this buisness cant go
> and get offended every time there is an off color joke or sexist remark.

Yes, that was the part about foul language on the job site, it just wasn't =
geared=20
specifically towards women because I've seen some men get offended by cussi=
ng too.  I=20
actually had a labor company owner try to open a branch here in my area, an=
d during the=20
recruitment stage, he talked about "cleaning the image of the stagehand" an=
d he=20
wouldn't tolerate foul language on the job.  We all kinda laughed.  He neve=
r did keep=20
the veterans long and his company was stuck with all newbies who didn't kno=
w any=20
better.  Maybe I can briefly mention it or make a comment about reading the=
 Foul=20
Language section in the female stagehand section?

> And on the flip side, men should develop a thick skin about women being
> as good or better.  Don't sulk or get pissy just because that "little
> girl" can sling more weight than you can.

I'll see about some rewording in these sections.

Thanks for all the tips!  First revision is up!

"Joreth"
http://www.stagehandtees.com
http://www.theinnbetween.net

=3D
Tired of Psychic Sites?
Try something new and unique: Famous, world-renowned online psychic readers=
. New customers save $12.00.
http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D8a0fbcee68ef989311169=
ccf60605865


------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221130847.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:08:47
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Nyc TD job

>>>  The pay is $600- $800. depending on
>>>  experience. 
>>  For that kind of money in NYC you won't be able to afford to go to the
>>  nearest bars.
>IIRC, for that kind of money you won't even be able to park anywhere 
>near the nearest bars.

I dunno about you guys, but that looks like a pretty decent day rate.
What're you guys getting?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <BAY108-F158C2E257771F974F0BC3AAB880 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-42351728 [at] prxy.net>
From: "dale cyr" <dalecyr [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Best Practice: Connecting widely dispersed audio systems -UPDATE
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:24 -0800

as the original poster, i thought i'd provide an update.

to clarify, this is a snippet from the original post:

>an upcoming gig requires a few widely dispersed (one or two city blocks 
>spacing) audio systems to "broadcast" a signal from a central point.
>
>think 'downtown event covering 5 or 6 square city blocks'.
>
>each sound system will be a complete system.
>
>how can i reliably distribute an audio signal from a central source, to all 
>other points, in real time?
>
>2.4 gig (WiFi) is very crowded in this area. using cable is problematic 
>(crossing streets, etc).

what we are going to experiment with, probably this week:

the local pro audio shop came up with this idea:
Assisted Listening system. It kills the interference issue
because it's at a licensed 216MHz frequency (with 57 available channels),
it is supposed to go 3000' line-of-sight and
it's only about $1000 for a transmitter and $200 for a receiver (with AC 
power).


dale cyr
Spokane Wa



------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:46:07 GMT
Subject: Re: First Gig
Message-Id: <20070221.124652.15735.1220797 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com>

I find the term 'Male-dominated industry' to be no more and no less =

offensive or otherwise Politically Incorrect than the descriptive =

term `Traditionally Black Colleges'.
/s/ Richard
____________________________
  <<   This is a male-dominated industry and it involves heavy manual =

labor and  competent technical skills. >>
>
> This is one of the most sexist lines  of bullshit I've ever read! =

Take your own advice and "get over [your] gender bias."

In my experience, I have found the phrase "male-dominated industry" =

to be accurate, as there is not an equal distribution of males to =

females on the jobsite.    


------------------------------

Subject: RE: First Gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:06:22 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07861574 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42661368 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> > Format-wise...how 'bout linking to separate (pop-up?) pages for the=20
> > basic skills and tricks section, so that the whole isn't=20
> too daunting=20
> > to the newbies?  That way they can focus on that at their leisure.
>=20
> I had considered that, <snip> I'd like to=20
> make Stagehand Tees an all-inclusive resource for=20
> entertainment personnel to find what they need in one=20
> convenient location. =20

Ah, but if one wants to provide lots of information for people to find,
one should arrange it so all the individual bits are easy to find! :)

I guess my suggestion would've been better-phrased if I'd said something
like, "Not all newbies are gonna need to know all of that on every first
gig...so here's a table of contents to find the stuff you know about the
gig already so you can brush up." =20

> I was concerned about the foul language myself.  I chose to=20
> leave it in because I make a point of saying "yes, we cuss,=20
> get over it" later down the line.  But perhaps I will leave=20
> the cussing to the section where I talk about cussing and=20
> remove it elsewhere?

That'd probably be pretty effective.  Save the big guns (or F-bombs) for
where they're really needed.

> > 1: Trust your instincts.  You know more than you think you do.
> >
> > 2: Keep your ears and eyes open.  You know less than you=20
> want to think=20
> > you do.
>=20
> I tried to address this in the "ask questions" and "jump in=20
> and help", but perhaps I should reword it?

The simpler and more catch-phrasey, the more likely it'll be to end up
remembered.

> > In the education section I would add that you should never=20
> utter the=20
> > phrase, "At my school we always....." that was the kiss of death. =20
> > Nobody cares how
>=20
> I tried to address that in the part about how the school=20
> setting isn't like the Real World, but I may reword it to=20
> include your phrasing.

...maybe tempered with "I've never seen it done this way in school,
what's the advantages/reasoning behind it?"  That, IMO, is a very
appropriate question to ask, and shows the newbie is eager (and open) to
learn.  You don't wanna stifle questions, just make sure the newbies
have an idea of how to phrase them to have the least chance of
irritation.

Looking forward to seeing more...who knows, you may end up getting
linked to by some of us when we're breaking in our own newbies! :)

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221134949.00cab370 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:49:49
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: First Gig

>Have you got something goofy on that page?  I can see your 
>stagehandtees.com OK, but the Firstgig stuff crashes Firefox 

It's either time to update or too late to backdate, 'cause my Firefox opens
it every time, no prob (1.5.0.9).  
OTOH, some of those slogans look like they may have been poached from the
list members... hopefully they got at least a T-shirt for their
contribution!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:14:15 -0500
Subject: Re: First Gig
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Cc: erika [at] theatrerow.org
Message-ID: <C2022057.CBF9%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42661812 [at] prxy.net>

greetings;

My friend ms. erika feldman is the general manager for theatre row here in
nyc. She is producing the 3rd year of the summer play festival at her
theatres. The festival dates are July 10 through August 5, 2007. And she's
looking for a scene shop to produce a minimal amount of scenery for the
entire festival on a tight schedule with little budget.

If you've not been in them, the theatres are the small "shoe-box" layout.
Some with stage on the long end, some with the stage side-to-side. IIRR,
seating ranges from 99 to 199, dead hung pipe grids in all.

IIRC, each scene designer is limited to something like $2500. (I presume
there is more money allocated for labor but I don't know) The builds will
start last week on May/first week of June.  It's 4 sets per week for
the 4 weeks, the sets get delivered and loaded in on Sunday each week. with
four new pieces going into four of the theatres, every week, for four weeks.

Last week over dinner we hypothesized that it might be a good fit with a
local theatrical college that had some kind of summer program, or a
situation which places students into responsible positions who might
already be taking summer classes.

If you (or a school that you know) is in the nyc area, and might be
interested in this kind of situation, please contact erika via email;

Erika Feldman <erika [at] theatrerow.org>

Shelley

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221135724.00cab370 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:57:24
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: First Gig

>Don't sulk or get pissy just because that "little 
>girl" can sling more weight than you can.

Never had that problem, never will.
I dunno what it is in my upbringing (although, I do know that my physical
preferences came from growing up with R. Crumb) but there ain't nothing
more attractive than a woman who is good at her gig.  For some wierd
reason, talent and proficiency does it for me.
One electrician in Seattle at the Fifth Ave had the best T-shirt I've seen
thus far.  Her shirt said, in bright pink letters (that matched her hair),
"Can I help you with that, Li'l Mister?"
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070221135952.00caaf58 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:59:52
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling
  purposes

>I have a desire to tour with a video camera and a tv monitor in order
> to more properly see the stage for show calling purposes 

>2. via an FOH sound circuit from the balcony rail?=20

This can be done, but usually there are three or four RG-59 cables bundled
in with sound.  As both sound and video are running at or about a volt per
signal, there will be no noticable interference.  Pay attention to ground
loop, and power off sound kit  just like com.  Having multiple runs (and
you can purchase some multi line video cables, like an RGB or an RGBHV
cable to make your life easier on every in) means that if you have an end
come off, it isn't the end of the world.  Not only that, but you can send
the conductor cam (or one trained on you) back to sound to take cues in the
booth, or at FOH.  Signal can be run to the rail so that the head carp can
see what's happening from FOH as well.  If you're gonna get wet anyway,
jump right in in.
Video will be acceptable at those distances, but distribution amplifiers
are fairly inexpensive.  BNC kit carrying composite NTSC is pretty much
bargain basement at the moment.  Video to CAT5 is still in it's
experimental/growth stages right at the moment, and I'd wait to let the
dust settle were it me, and any RF you want to introduce is gonna make your
skweeks hate you.  Til lighting bucks up and takes care of the video stuff
(it *IS* a light, after all) you want to keep your skweeks pretty happy.
Bring the new cables with a case of good beer.  Really good beer.

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-42661368 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42661368 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <6232c2d26b89e8435155c2155f48b763 [at] mac.com>
From: Risa Strobel <zafari [at] mac.com>
Subject: Re: First Gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:27:07 -0800


On Feb 21, 2007, at 12:31 PM, joreth [at] techie.com wrote:
>
> In my experience, I have found the phrase "male-dominated industry" to 
> be accurate, as
> there is not an equal distribution of males to females on the jobsite. 
>  It is not to
> imply that only men can do heavy manual labor and have competent 
> technical skills.  I
> can seperate that into two statements if the implication is unclear.  
> The statement is
> meant for girls (I have personally worked with) who come onto the 
> jobsite and don't
> want to get their hands dirty.  I've seen some girls actually let road 
> cases roll down
> the ramp unchecked because they were too afraid to put their hands on 
> it.  Girls coming
> into the business need to understand that they have to perform to a 
> certain set of
> standards that have historically been set by large and competant men.  
> Of course, I
> address the men's gender bias at another point where I remind them 
> that those of us
> women, who do work in this field, know what it takes to work here and 
> to not assume we
> are this type of girl just because we happen to be female.  Remember, 
> this is for first-timers who have never worked in the business before 
> ... and I'm also female.

All else aside, you're going to piss off a lot of women (stagehands or 
otherwise) by continually referring to us as girls.  The reader doesn't 
know you're female until you mention it, which I don't recall you doing 
in the original document.  (It's not in front of me at the moment; I'm 
answering e-mail from offline.)

Being a female stagehand could be a whole new document, really.
Risa


------------------------------

Message-ID: <45DCBAFC.4070705 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:34:52 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling  purposes
References: <list-42662949 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42662949 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
  Til lighting bucks up and takes care of the video stuff
> (it *IS* a light, after all) you want to keep your skweeks pretty happy.

Hey, this squint has been doing video for most of his career.

And as long as you're considered part of the electricians on the call, 
we'll delegate as we see fit.  :)

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

------------------------------

Message-ID: <kZTA6yO+HM3FFwzc [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:04:46 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: First Gig
References: <list-42661368 [at] prxy.net> <list-42663063 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42663063 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-42663063 [at] prxy.net>, Risa Strobel <zafari [at] mac.com> 
writes
>All else aside, you're going to piss off a lot of women (stagehands or 
>otherwise) by continually referring to us as girls.

Do the men have an issue with being called "the boys"?  (No.)

My favourite thing for female crew is getting them to sit on a 
flightcase and then rolling it over cables so their tits jiggle up and 
down.

-- 
Betty the lesbian rigger.


------------------------------

From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c11.e422e42.330e1cb7 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:07:51 EST
Subject: Re: First Gig

_ladesigners [at] juno.com_ (mailto:ladesigners [at] juno.com)   writes:
<<  find the term 'Male-dominated industry' to be no more  and no less 
offensive or otherwise Politically Incorrect than the descriptive  term 
`Traditionally Black Colleges'.  >>

Interesting you bring  up that angle, Richard, as the same US federal law 
that guarantees my right to a  sexual harassment free workplace also prohibits 
racial discrimination. Call it  "*traditionally* male-dominated industry" and 
I'll totally agree with you. Just  as "Traditionally Black Colleges" are no 
longer limited to black students,  stagehands now come in all sizes, shapes, races 
and genders. Calling it "Male  dominated industry" implies that women in this 
industry have to subjugate  themselves to the men. That's simply not true. I 
don't have to put up with  sexual harassment as a stagehand anymore than a 
woman working in a coal mine. 
 
I should have included more of the original posting in my reply. Having  
someone who is new to the business told that "girls" are to be treated  
differently in any way because of their gender is setting up the new person for  a fall. 
Simple truth is the ability to be a good stagehand isn't dependent on  age, 
sex, race, ethnic background or any of those other shoe boxes prejudicial  
people try to fit others into. I've also seen BOYS let cases roll down the ramp  - 
usually because no one has taken the initiative to tell the newbie what to do 
 and how to do it. It's not about gender, or even strength, it's about 
knowing  what to do. 
 
And yes, men take umbrage at being called "boys" unless they happen to be  
dancing in the chorus. ;)
 
Kristi
 
 
<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free 
email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
http://www.aol.com.

------------------------------

Subject: ETC Link
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:12:06 -0600
Message-ID: <FFEA5794CAAEEE44BDE875496A11DBC0E02FB4 [at] MID-MAILV.etclink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42645701 [at] prxy.net>
From: "David Fox" <david.fox [at] etcconnect.com>
Cc: Kh97925 [at] aol.com


>From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com
>In this situation, does 1 console act like a master or have some other
way=20
>to trigger cues on the other console? Or would there be 2  operators?


The short answer to your questuion(s) is yes. To get a bit more
detailed:
DMX in controls the level of the channels in the console. So if I have
DMX in to start at 1 Incoming level of DMX 1 will effect channel 1 on
the console. Whatever is patched to channel 1 will then change level
correspondingly. This can be selected on a channel by channel basis
through focus point zero. If focus point zero has a channel and the
focus point is active, DMX in data modifies the channel level. If the
channel is not in the focus point or the focus point is not active DMX
in is ignored.   You could have one or 2 operators depending on your
system needs.

David Fox
Electronic Theatre Controls
Technical Support Manager
Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193
Direct 608-824-5056=20

------------------------------

Subject: RE: First Gig
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:55:04 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0786166D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-42664274 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> And yes, men take umbrage at being called "boys" unless they=20
> happen to be dancing in the chorus. ;)

Way back in a previous lifetime, I worked as a cashier at a small
electronics chain.  Whenever we'd have meetings with everyone at the
stores involved (try opening three stores in three weeks before
Christmas, with the first one opening on Black Friday), I was the only
male in attendance (other than the store managers).  I got used to being
lumped together with "you girls" very quickly.  And we ended up making a
big joke about it.

Now, I teach at a (soon-to-be-formerly-) all-women's college.  Last
fall, I was in our production as the only male in the cast.

I'm proud to be considered by most of my students as "one of the girls".
:)

------------------------------

End of Stagecraft Digest #1151
******************************