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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1154

 1. Re: Nyc TD job
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
 2. Re: Nyc TD job
    by Adam Fitchett <adam [at] fitchtech.net>
 3. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
    by Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
 4. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling    purposes
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 5. Re: First Gig
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 6. More AutoCAD Questions
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
 7. Re: First Gig
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
 8. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling  purposes
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 9. Re: First Gig
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
10. Re: Gripples... again
    by "Eric Rouse" <erictd [at] gmail.com>
11. Multiple copies of the digest e-mailed
    by Norman Lazarus <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
12. 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
13. Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by  half (fwd)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
14. Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
15. Re: Gripples... again
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
16. Re: Multiple copies of the digest e-mailed
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
17. Re: new pyro product (price)
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
18. Re: Gripples... again
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
19. Re: Gripples... again
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
20. 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
21. Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd)
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
22. Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
23. Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd)
    by Chris Warner <cdw.lighting [at] gmail.com>
24. Re: Gripples... again
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
25. Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by  half (fwd)
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
26. Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
27. Re: Gripples... again
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
28. Re: First Gig
    by "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
29. Re: Gripples... again
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
30. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by Kh97925 [at] aol.com
31. Production Company
    by "Jared M. Forsythe" <forsythej1 [at] mail.montclair.edu>
32. Re: Production Company
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
33. Re: Hedda Techie?
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com

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Message-ID: <90d9c9980702221519o2288ff8bob245f884a852bb33 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:19:29 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyc TD job
In-Reply-To: <list-42700755 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42694380 [at] prxy.net> <list-42700755 [at] prxy.net>

I think most here would think so as well. It's just not as much fun to
live in reality ;-) I've already forwarded the notice to a few recent
grads who would fit the job well.
Scott

On 2/22/07, Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> To those who have spent years in the industry the pay may seem inadequate.
> When I moved to nyc my first paychecks from the public were less than a
> quarter of this potential amount.
>
> Money is much different now than then, but for someone wanting to get their
> foot in the nyc door, I consider this an opportunity.
>
> shelley
>

-- 
Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Message-ID: <45DE2A5F.2060303 [at] fitchtech.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:42:23 -0500
From: Adam Fitchett <adam [at] fitchtech.net>
Subject: Re: Nyc TD job
References: <list-42700755 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42700755 [at] prxy.net>

As some one who currently does work a lot of off-Broadway and has even 
worked in that space before, I have to agree that the pay is minimal. 
While I work as a sound guy and know that is usually a higher pay rate 
than spot-op, I would expect about that purely for spot-op and then at 
least a couple hundred more for the TD responsibilities.With as much 
money as was sunk into that show (ie Broadway designers all around) and 
with as much hope as they have for it to move to B'way, wouldn't it be 
wise to spend the money to get the best technicians of the off-B'way world?

-Adam Fitchett


Steve Shelley wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Folks;
>
> I think it is weekly though I don't know. Those that might be interested can
> inquire directly with the potential employer.
>
> To those who have spent years in the industry the pay may seem inadequate.
> When I moved to nyc my first paychecks from the public were less than a
> quarter of this potential amount.
>
> Money is much different now than then, but for someone wanting to get their
> foot in the nyc door, I consider this an opportunity.
>
> shelley
>
>
> On 2/22/07 2:24 PM, "Rigger" <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> At 1:08 PM -0500 2/21/07, CB wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>>>>   The pay is $600- $800. depending on
>>>>>>   experience.
>>>>>>             
>>>>>   For that kind of money in NYC you won't be able to afford to go to the
>>>>>   nearest bars.
>>>>>           
>>>> IIRC, for that kind of money you won't even be able to park anywhere
>>>> near the nearest bars.
>>>>         
>>> I dunno about you guys, but that looks like a pretty decent day rate.
>>> What're you guys getting?
>>>       
>> More.
>>
>> ...And that isn't a day-rate.
>>     
>
>   

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In-Reply-To: <list-42696847 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42654245 [at] prxy.net> <list-42655352 [at] prxy.net> <list-42679750 [at] prxy.net> <list-42696847 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <9F53CFC8-BAA9-4F38-A2E4-1CE31967FB10 [at] comcast.net>
From: Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions?
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:54:01 -0500


On Feb 22, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Clive Mitchell wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In message <list-42679750 [at] prxy.net>, Bill Nelson <billn [at] peak.org>  
> writes
>> It would be an interesting experiment to see if hot instruments  
>> over the stage would provide enough IR, all by themselves -  
>> without need of preheat profiles.
> The camera's kinda expect infra red from just the very end of the  
> visible spectrum like 880nm so just hot metal might not be good  
> enough. But maybe a very low level touch on a filament may produce  
> light at that wavelength.  Dunno.  But a friend did the gelling  
> trick with a 500W halogen and he said it worked a treat while the  
> gel lasted.

Hello,

	 Heated metal turns red at around 970 deg K.  So,theoretically, you  
could heat that metal to the point a little below that and get  
infrared.  I don't know if in the real world it works like that, but  
it sounds good, doesn't it?  :-)


Mike de Almeida
ATD/ME/MA				Phone: (860) 560-0771 	
Theaterworks			E-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net
Hartford   CT				Web: http://www.theaterworkshartford.org






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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222164714.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:47:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling  
  purposes

>In all the venues where I have done lighting, it has always been the
"light guy" who
>has been responsible for cameras, video monitors and all such
interconnections. The
>sound person has only been expected to handle sound, including providing
an audio
>feed to be used for the video monitors in various areas of the building.

Where is your human resources dept located?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222165110.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:51:10
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: First Gig

>A newbie around cams and feeder should be an observer only.
>With a patient and verbal qualified person showing and explaining and
>making sure he is understood.
>
>more coffee

Both good ideas.  I'll be right back, I'm gonna go squeeze the espresso
machine...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <044101c756e0$f785c2b0$6d01a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: More AutoCAD Questions
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:24:22 -0600

mvsetup is the command I use to rotate a view in a viewport.  mwsetup, A 
(for align), and R (for rotate view).  Click in the view you want rotated 
and the point about which you want it rotated, and then how far from zero 
degrees.  If changing rotation, the angle is always absolute, and not 
relative.  There are other ways to do it.

Not a clue on the vplayer problem.  Seems like you must have them off or 
frozen somewhere else.

Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T 


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Message-ID: <45DE367B.6040205 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:34:03 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: First Gig
References: <list-42702749 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42702749 [at] prxy.net>

I would also add that they should not play with the toys unless told. 
This would mean the control consoles, instruments, props, etc.... Easy 
way to upset a few people if you play with stuff that is not yours (and 
potentially dangerous). Seems like it should be common sense, but for 
some reason it is not.


>   


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222172354.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:23:54
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling
  purposes

>> It seems as if I have never, ever, on any occasion, been to the in or the
>> out on any production where you ore your big-electron brethren 
>
>Actually, our electrons are the same size as yours.  We just use a lot 
>more of them.  :D

Then why are the boxes so damn much bigger?  ; >
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222172741.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:27:41
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: RE: First Gig

>Think phantom power source rather than audio signal source, and "pin to
>power" works for audio just fine.

Ehm, the source of the sound is either a mic or the output of another audio
device.  Think of the pins 'pointing' in the direction of the audio's
signal flow.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <41f080680702221658o4fd4076t2306376ca8d0d319 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:58:33 -0500
From: "Eric Rouse" <erictd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
In-Reply-To: <list-42549705 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42549705 [at] prxy.net>

> However, we are planning to use Gripples to hang stationary scenery
> off dead-hung battens. Is applying two Crosbys to the GAC above the
> Gripple an adequate safety precaution, or, because the scenery is not
> moving on a lineset, and the load on each Gripple is well below it's
> rating, should the Gripples be used by themselves?

If you can put Crosby's above the gripple, why not just use the
crosby's?  I have outlawed gripples in anything other than guyline
purposes.  This was in large part to that last gripple discussion.


-- 
Eric Rouse
TD-Penn State University
State College, PA

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Message-ID: <20070223010417.5817.qmail [at] web51702.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:04:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Norman Lazarus <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Multiple copies of the digest e-mailed
In-Reply-To: <list-42680074 [at] prxy.net>

Is anyone else getting 10 to 15 e-mails of the same
digest. It started happening yesterday.

Norman Lazarus


 
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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222174537.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:45:37
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)

>What if you're black, and the afore-mentioned guy is calling you 
>"nigga" as a term of endearment?  Would you be so quick to let it 
>slide, Chris?  Just curious...

This is kinda the point about the power of words, and that they only have
the power we assign to them. If a black brother calls a black brother
'Nigga', it tends to not be a problem.  If a black brother calls a white
brother 'Nigga', the results are a bit wierd, but also tends not to be a
problem.  Reverse the races in that situation, and you may be discussing it
in front of cops and/or lawyers.  I'd liek to see a world in which one
could call another 'Nigga' as a term of endearment, regardless of race or
skin color, and no one would be upset.  I don't see the power that that
word has been given going away anytime soon, but I'd be willing to bet that
if everyone who was called that smiled real big and took it as a friendly
term, it would soon be out of fashion as an insult.
Words have the power that you give them.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222175549.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:55:49
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by
  half (fwd)

>I have read stuff like this for over 30 years.  It always seems to be 
>"available 5 years from now".  As much as I want this, wishing does not 
>make it so.

Germany is a shining example of how this is going to work, and German
engineers (in concert with Silicon Valley, and other CA engineers) are
making it happen.  I can't tell you how many PV panels you can see from the
train in souther Germany, mounted on three hundred year old buildings!

>An example of why this will not work even if it undercuts traditional 
>electricity by half, is my Homeowners Association.  

You're a homeowner, surrounded by feel-good neighbors.  Once they get the
idea that having PV on the house is a sign of affluence, and tree-hugging
warm gooshy feelings inside, they'll come around. 

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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:21:25 -0000
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPCEKMFHAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42704244 [at] prxy.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of CB
>
> Words have the power that you give them.

Never a truer word!

Seen "Avenue Q?"

Excellent show, and behind the cracking humour (and extremely rude plot!)
some serious messages!

Like in the song - "Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes"....

http://www.lyricsondemand.com/soundtracks/a/avenueqlyrics/everyonesalittlebi
tracistlyrics.html

TD



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Message-ID: <45DE4561.6000309 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:37:37 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
References: <list-42549705 [at] prxy.net> <list-42704083 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42704083 [at] prxy.net>

Okay, I have to ask because I like being difficult.

When referring to gripples and the issues associated with them, are we 
talking about generic gripples or the Gripples made by Gripple 
(http://www.gripple.com/construction/)

I only ask because from the website mentioned it would appear that the 
hardware is properly rated and able to be used for some of the 
applications mentioned in the various conversations on this mail list.

I may be way off here, but it seemed like a question worth asking?








Eric Rouse wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> However, we are planning to use Gripples to hang stationary scenery
>> off dead-hung battens. Is applying two Crosbys to the GAC above the
>> Gripple an adequate safety precaution, or, because the scenery is not
>> moving on a lineset, and the load on each Gripple is well below it's
>> rating, should the Gripples be used by themselves?
>
> If you can put Crosby's above the gripple, why not just use the
> crosby's?  I have outlawed gripples in anything other than guyline
> purposes.  This was in large part to that last gripple discussion.
>
>


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Message-ID: <01b301c756ef$63af6500$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-42704142 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Multiple copies of the digest e-mailed
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:07:36 -0500

Noah is on the case.



From: "Norman Lazarus" <normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com>
>
> Is anyone else getting 10 to 15 e-mails of the same
> digest. It started happening yesterday.
>
> Norman Lazarus
>



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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-42421807 [at] prxy.net> <list-42430532 [at] prxy.net> <list-42494635 [at] prxy.net> <list-42691437 [at] prxy.net> <list-42694461 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: new pyro product (price)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:08:47 -0700
Message-ID: <045001c756ef$97ae6630$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-42694461 [at] prxy.net>

We at NFPA 1126 shall look at it. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Nathan Kahn
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:28 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: new pyro product (price)

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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On 2/22/07, Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:
>
> At 11:17 AM 2/16/2007, Nathan Kahn wrote:
> >Naah . . . you guys are way low.  I can't see it retailing for less than
$200.
> >
> >Nathan
>
> Well, since pyros tend to be poor, we're setting the price at $150
> including ground shipping in the lower 48 states.

So you'll just have a "net to-the-trade" price, as opposed to end-user
pricing and dealer discounts?  Probably the simplest way is to keep a
net price, with discounts based on qty rather than business entity.
That would keep the end-user price lower too.

Regarding your keyswitch question, my opinion is that so long as it
complies with NFPA1126 it's fine.  Although your idea of a digital
passcode to be entered is not bad and probably wouldn't significantly
increase the cost to mfg.

Nathan



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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:31:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C203BC26.1A0F6%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42704912 [at] prxy.net>

I went to the website but found nothing on it that related to the
entertainment industry.  (Although there was mention of pest control)

I also noted that all of the applications listed were static.  The main
issue I have with gripples, be they generic or name brand, is that they do
not function well in a live load condition and live loads are what we are
all about.  So I do not use them.

Did I miss something on the website?

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

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July 29 - August 6, 2007.  <www.LRLR.org>






On 2/22/07 8:37 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Okay, I have to ask because I like being difficult.
> 
> When referring to gripples and the issues associated with them, are we
> talking about generic gripples or the Gripples made by Gripple
> (http://www.gripple.com/construction/)
> 
> I only ask because from the website mentioned it would appear that the
> hardware is properly rated and able to be used for some of the
> applications mentioned in the various conversations on this mail list.
> 
> I may be way off here, but it seemed like a question worth asking?
> 
> 
> 



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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:35:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
In-Reply-To: <list-42706012 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <997657.43324.qm [at] web82211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> I also noted that all of the applications listed
> were static.  The main
> issue I have with gripples, be they generic or name
> brand, is that they do
> not function well in a live load condition and live
> loads are what we are
> all about.  So I do not use them.
> 
> Did I miss something on the website?

I did find this on
http://www.gripple.com/construction/product.php?prod_id=15

"Lockable Gripple Rope Grip
The lockable Gripple now makes catenary and bracing
wire rope installation easier and faster. 
The lockable Gripple is designed to secure the ends of
wire ropes by simply pushing them through the Gripple
in one continuous loop.
The integrated locking screw can be tightened to
ensure total security under dynamic load conditions."

Probably not what you were looking for Bill, but
potentially useeful for us.

Mike Heinicke

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070222192154.00cad540 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:21:54
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)

Couldn't resist.  This was sent to me by another lister who couldn't bring
herself to post it"

True story.
a local rigging crew wasn't hanging points fast enough for this really
cranky roadie who stomped around snarling "you call yourselves riggers?"
one of them looked at him with a perfect innocent face & said, "Actually,
we prefer 'rigroes'." 

I know, I know, bring it on...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <list-42699749 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702221844100.3614 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42667770 [at] prxy.net> <list-42699749 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Chip Wood wrote:

> It's rarely the technology that stops progress, it's people and politics. 
> Those are usually bought by the Oil Barons, just ask Cheney!

I agree completely!  Except here there is something very interesting happening: 
now that the politicians have embraced conservation as a mainstream objective, 
all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon...

Charlie


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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:06:26 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C203C462.1A0FF%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42706408 [at] prxy.net>

SH*T!  OK.  How do I get cherry chocolate chip ice cream...with chocolate
syrup....out of my keyboard?   And I'm not even gonna begin to talk about
what the rest of my desk looks like.

Thanks Chris.  Thanks a lot.
<<gg>>

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride.
July 29 - August 6, 2007.  <www.LRLR.org>




On 2/22/07 7:21 PM, "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Couldn't resist.  This was sent to me by another lister who couldn't bring
> herself to post it"
> 
> True story.
> a local rigging crew wasn't hanging points fast enough for this really
> cranky roadie who stomped around snarling "you call yourselves riggers?"
> one of them looked at him with a perfect innocent face & said, "Actually,
> we prefer 'rigroes'."
> 
> I know, I know, bring it on...
> Chris "Chris" Babbie
> Location Sound
> MON AZ
> 
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...



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Message-ID: <45DE59EA.8080209 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:05:14 -0800
From: Chris Warner <cdw.lighting [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd)
References: <list-42667770 [at] prxy.net> <list-42699749 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42699749 [at] prxy.net>

Chip Wood wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Charlie Richmond wrote:
>>
>> Monday view: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half
>
>>
> Charlie
> I have read stuff like this for over 30 years.  It always seems to be 
> "available 5 years from now".  As much as I want this, wishing does 
> not make it so.
>
> An example of why this will not work even if it undercuts traditional 
> electricity by half, is my Homeowners Association.  They forbid 
> outdoor clothes lines even tho in AZ I have incredible FREE solar 
> power to dry my clothes.  They forbid solar collectors where they can 
> be seen from the street or by a neighbor.
>
> It's rarely the technology that stops progress, it's people and 
> politics.  Those are usually bought by the Oil Barons, just ask Cheney!
>
> Chip
>
The reason I wont live in an HOA no matter how low the price for a house is!

Chris


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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:13:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C203C605.1A104%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-42706138 [at] prxy.net>




On 2/22/07 9:35 PM, "Michael Heinicke" <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> --- Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
>> I also noted that all of the applications listed
>> were static.  The main
>> issue I have with gripples, be they generic or name
>> brand, is that they do
>> not function well in a live load condition and live
>> loads are what we are
>> all about.  So I do not use them.
>>=20
>> Did I miss something on the website?
>=20
> I did find this on
> http://www.gripple.com/construction/product.php?prod_id=3D15
>=20
> "Lockable Gripple Rope Grip
> The lockable Gripple now makes catenary and bracing
> wire rope installation easier and faster.
> The lockable Gripple is designed to secure the ends of
> wire ropes by simply pushing them through the Gripple
> in one continuous loop.
> The integrated locking screw can be tightened to
> ensure total security under dynamic load conditions."
>=20
> Probably not what you were looking for Bill, but
> potentially useeful for us.
>=20
> Mike Heinicke

Yeah, Mike.  They look better than the non-locking kind.  But I'm an old
pharte and they used two words in their description that always make me sto=
p
and think twice..."faster and easier".

Do I really need the install to be 1 minute faster than a couple of wire
rope clips or a swage fitting.  Do I really need it to be a little easier?
What am I sacrificing for the install to be faster and easier.  In this cas=
e
I'm sacrificing the ability to inspect the finished product.  I have no rea=
l
way of knowing that the gripple will hold other than they tell me it will.
With clips I can see what's going on.  With swage fittings I have a gauge
that I can see and it tells me if the connection is OK or not.

It really boils down to your level of comfort. No one has yet convinced me
that gripples are a good idea in the entertainment rigging business, except
maybe for d=E9cor stuff.  I'm a stubborn old coot, I know, and I'm OK with
that.

But it is just my $.02.  YMMV

Bill S.
Director
North American Theatre Engineering and Architecture Conference
267.278.4561
www.NATEAC.org


Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride.
July 29 - August 6, 2007.  <www.LRLR.org>






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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:17:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by  half (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <list-42704525 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702221915450.3614 [at] valour.domainvanhorn.com>
References: <list-42704525 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, CB wrote:

> Germany is a shining example of how this is going to work, and German

Not just Germany but all over Europe now, there are wind farms and solar panels 
going in everywhere.  In the UK there are a number of grant programs that 
encourage homeowners to do it and the CONSERVATIVE opposition leader, David 
Cameron has both solar panels and a wind generator on his home...

Charlie

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In-Reply-To: <list-42706408 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42706408 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:26:07 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?)

At 7:21 PM -0500 2/22/07, CB wrote:

>True story.
>a local rigging crew wasn't hanging points fast enough for this really
>cranky roadie who stomped around snarling "you call yourselves riggers?"
>one of them looked at him with a perfect innocent face & said, "Actually,
>we prefer 'rigroes'."
>
>I know, I know, bring it on...


Actually, I've used that line before myself.  I like the expressions 
I'd get on the faces of the people I said it to.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

     Lord, please help me to be the kind of man my pets think I am

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Message-ID: <45DE6041.4010705 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:32:17 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
References: <list-42707077 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-42707077 [at] prxy.net>



> It really boils down to your level of comfort. No one has yet convinced me
> that gripples are a good idea in the entertainment rigging business, except
> maybe for décor stuff.  I'm a stubborn old coot, I know, and I'm OK with
> that.
>
> But it is just my $.02.  YMMV
>
>
>   
Something to be said for the experience that got you to be a "stubborn 
old coot" and I appreciate your insight, it just appeared to be some 
conflicting data so I figured I would pose the question.


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Message-ID: <f23a0f840702221943td1ff722r2994f02c94108502 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:43:41 -0500
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Gig
In-Reply-To: <list-42703761 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-42703761 [at] prxy.net>

> >Think phantom power source rather than audio signal source, and "pin to
> >power" works for audio just fine.
>
> Ehm, the source of the sound is either a mic or the output of another audio
> device.  Think of the pins 'pointing' in the direction of the audio's
> signal flow.

"Pin to power", like a male plug fitting into a female wall socket,
means that the pins point toward the power source.

All the XLR mics and such that I've seen have a male connector, so
that the pins point toward the source of the phantom power (if
needed).

Hence the explanation I gave above.

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:03:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Gripples... again
Message-Id: <20070222.200401.833.1239703 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

I do not permit gripples on my projects either. My liability exposure =

for someone falling or something falling on someone is unacceptable.
/s/ Richard
_____________________________
I also noted that all of the applications listed were static.  The =

main issue I have with gripples, be they generic or name brand, is =

that they do not function well in a live load condition and live =

loads are what we are all about.  So I do not use them.
Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
 


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From: Kh97925 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <cc5.b40dca5.330fc6aa [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:25:14 EST
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?

In a message dated 2/22/2007 2:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rigger [at] tds.net writes:
What if you're black, and the afore-mentioned guy is  calling you 
"nigga" as a term of endearment?  Would you be so quick to  let it 
slide, Chris?  Just curious...

You're not seriously  equating techie with nigga(er) are you?  Let's not 
loose our heads  here.  
This is entertainment, not surgery or the Peace Corps.  
 
TECHIES, (yes, I said it) didn't get dragged to the theatre in chains, and  
weren't forced to run lights/sound/costumes under the threat of beatings or  
death.  (Though this may sound like some work situations many of us are  
familiar with)
 
How about a little perspective here.
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From: "Jared M. Forsythe" <forsythej1 [at] mail.montclair.edu>
Message-ID: <1b350f1b5513.1b55131b350f [at] montclair.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:47:29 -0500
Subject: Production Company

Hey All,

My friend and I are looking to start a production company. Well our plan is to put on a show a year from this June. After seeing what kind of support and so on we get from that production we eventualy would like to start a community theater company. Right now it is just the two of us trying to find our way. So any guiedance and information you can give me on how to get the ball rolling would be great. 

Thank you,
Jared Forsythe


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:39:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Production Company
Message-Id: <20070222.223940.8266.1297889 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com>

Dear Jared,
As I've said numerous time before:
"MAKE YOUR OWN DREAM COME TRUE"
You have to sell yourself, as well as your project, to make people =

believe in you, and subsequently either invest or buy advance tickets.
/s/ Richard
_____________________________________
Hey All,

My friend and I are looking to start a production company. Well our =

plan is to put on a show a year from this June. After seeing what =

kind of support and so on we get from that production we eventually =

would like to start a community theater company. Right now it is just =

the two of us trying to find our way. So any guidance and information =

you can give me on how to get the ball rolling would be great. =


Thank you,
Jared Forsythe

 


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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c1e.109f009d.330fe82d [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:48:13 EST
Subject: Re: Hedda Techie?

Every time I see this subject line I think it  must be the punch line for a 
bad Italian joke.

Kristi  

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