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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42768865; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:12:54 -0800 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_JJ autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1155 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:12:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1155 1. Re: Production Company by "Matthew Breton" 2. Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd) by "Bill Nelson" 3. "Techie" by "Jonathan S. Deull" 4. In New Jersey/New York in March by Dave Reynolds 5. "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? by Stephen Litterst 7. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes by "Bill Nelson" 8. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? by "Bill Nelson" 9. Re: Hedda Techie? by "Paul Schreiner" 10. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes by Stephen Litterst 12. Metamorphoses Pool by "Jonathan S. Deull" 13. Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? by "Bill Nelson" 14. Re: Taking advantage by "Paul Guncheon" 15. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by "Scott Parker" 16. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by "Paul Guncheon" 17. Jac Pac by "Paul Guncheon" 18. Re: Jac Pac by Herrick Goldman 19. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples by Greg Williams 20. Re: Hedda Techie? by "Paul Guncheon" 21. Re: Jac Pac by Stephen Rees 22. Re: Gripples... again by Clive Mitchell 23. Re: Gripples... again by Clive Mitchell 24. Re: Taking advantage by "Paul Schreiner" 25. Re: Gripples... again by Bill Sapsis 26. Re: Taking advantage by Kathleen McDonough 27. Re: Gripples... again by Steve Shelley 28. Re: First Gig by joreth [at] techie.com 29. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by Michael Millar 30. Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?) by 31. Re: Gripples... again by 32. Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd) by 33. Re: First Gig by 34. Check the door size before ordering your scoreboard by "John Huntington" 35. Re: "Techie" by 36. Re: First Gig by Myself 37. Re: Gripples... again by Stephen Rees 38. Re: new pyro product (price) by Jerry Durand 39. Re: new pyro product (price) by Jerry Durand 40. Modular connectors by "Paul Schreiner" 41. Va Woolf shotgun and parasol? by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 42. Foot switch activator? by Steve Shelley 43. Re: Foot switch activator? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 44. Re: Foot switch activator? by Steve Shelley 45. Re: Va Woolf shotgun and parasol? by "Sara Ward" 46. Re: Foot switch activator? by Stuart Wheaton 47. Re: Foot switch activator? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 48. Re: First Gig by 49. Re: Foot switch activator? by Steve Shelley 50. Re: Foot switch activator? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 51. Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 52. Re: 'Techie' by CB 53. Re: Foot switch activator? by Charlie Richmond 54. Re: First Gig by CB 55. Re: Hedda Techie? by CB 56. Re: Production Company by CB 57. Re: First Gig by Bruce Purdy 58. Re: Hedda Techie? by Rigger 59. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by "Carolyn Tsutsui" 60. Re: Foot switch activator? by "Adriane Bennett" 61. Re: Check the door size before ordering your scoreboard by Chip Wood 62. Re: Foot switch activator? by Steve Shelley 63. Re: First Gig by "Brian Munroe" 64. Re: Modular connectors by "Brooke Carlson" 65. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples by "Schuyler Silva" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: Production Company Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:51:51 -0500 Hey Jared. Since your email address ends in .edu, I'm assuming you're attached to a school. Milk that connection for every bit that you can. As a student, you may be able to get access to rehearsal space, possible use of the theater or shop, not to mention free plugs in the student newspaper and alumni newsletter. You may also be able to convince the student senate to help support you group financially. Other than that, work hard, play tough but play nice also, and don't be afraid to meet people. Matthew Breton Design for Theater and Dance _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1682.205.215.253.2.1172235156.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:52:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd) From: "Bill Nelson" >> An example of why this will not work even if it undercuts traditional >> electricity by half, is my Homeowners Association. They forbid >> outdoor clothes lines even tho in AZ I have incredible FREE solar >> power to dry my clothes. They forbid solar collectors where they can >> be seen from the street or by a neighbor. >> > The reason I wont live in an HOA no matter how low the price for a house is! Yep. The can control their own lives and those of people foolish enough to let them do so. They are not going to control mine. In reality, the new photovoltaic solar cell roof panels look pretty nice. They are dark and have a nice regular pattern. Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: "Techie" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:16:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c7574c$e723c2c0$4200000a [at] M60> In-Reply-To: Putting aside the humor just for a moment, and acknowledging Chris's points about the power of words, the "techie" issue has some resonance for me now that I am working at the high school level. I notice that the use of the word "techie," while not intended as derogatory, does tend to create or reinforce stereotypes that limit student involvement. There are a lot of creative young people who could find joy in the magic of stagecraft, but who do not see themselves (or wish to be seen by their peers) as technically oriented, with all that carries with it. So we are attempting to encourage the creation of a culture in which stagecraft is seen as another aspect of performing arts, simply using different tools. Musicians have instruments, actors have bodies and voices, others perform with light, sound, video, wood, paint, gripples (oops), all in service of the play. Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull Performing Arts Department Edmund Burke School Washington, DC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DEF02E.1060304 [at] macalester.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:46:22 -0600 From: Dave Reynolds Subject: In New Jersey/New York in March Hi folks, I'll be in New Jersey/New York March 12-17 with a free day on Monday, March 12 and Saturday, March 17. If any Listers are from the area and can give me advice on what to do/see while I am there, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Dave Reynolds -- A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word! --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version Dave Reynolds Media Services Macalester College 1600 Grand Ave. St. Paul, MN 55105 voice: (651) 696-6378 fax: (651) 696-6304 reynolds [at] macalester.edu DV Cassie with lots of fonts and effects, KRON and Final Cut Pro. ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:57:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00da01c75752$80c5f420$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: The "Stage Lighting for Students" web site is online at: http://www.stagelightingprimer.com It's still a work-in-progress (and probably will be for the next 20 years); we're still plugging in glossary words, for example. Suggestions, comments, and content are all gratefully appreciated. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DEF33E.6070705 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:59:26 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? References: In-Reply-To: frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >> It would be an interesting experiment to see if hot instruments >> over the stage would provide enough IR, all by themselves - without >> need of preheat profiles. > > > They might well. And the human body itself is a heat source. When > doing HVAC calculations, each live body is taken as 100W. Heat source and IR source are not the same thing to these cameras. I've used them in instances where the electrician forgot to turn on the illuminator and nothing read on the camera. No people, no heat radiating from fixtures. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1783.205.215.253.2.1172239333.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:02:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes From: "Bill Nelson" >>In all the venues where I have done lighting, it has always been the > "light guy" who >>has been responsible for cameras, video monitors and all such > interconnections. The >>sound person has only been expected to handle sound, including providing > an audio >>feed to be used for the video monitors in various areas of the building. > > Where is your human resources dept located? Human resources department? These positions are for the duration of the production, not permanent staff. They are often unpaid. Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1788.205.215.253.2.1172239644.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:07:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? From: "Bill Nelson" > Heat source and IR source are not the same thing to these cameras. I've > used them in instances where the electrician forgot to turn on the > illuminator and nothing read on the camera. No people, no heat > radiating from fixtures. Which is why I suggested using over stage instruments in a preheat setting. I don't like the idea of using gels. You lose the use of the instruments for other purposes and the gels are not likely to last very long. You also waste a lot of power. The idea of using hot instruments was an interesting idea about which I had no idea about the practicality. But such experiments can be fun, even if they don't produce the hoped for results. Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Hedda Techie? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:10:11 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07861CAA [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" I think this whole discussion raises a lot of very valid points, but the fact of the matter remains (IMHO) that there are plenty of people in the industry for whom "techie" isn't an insult, nor derogatory, nor a measure of some perceived "less worth" to the productions. For others, the opposite is true. And for still others (mostly non-tech types), it can belie a certain lack of understanding of the nature of the work. So it all comes back to the Golden Rule, and knowing your audience. I don't typically use the term, but many of my students take the moniker "techie" as a source of pride. Who am I then to deprive them of that? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DEF71B.7010406 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:15:55 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Which is why I suggested using over stage instruments in a preheat setting. I don't > like the idea of using gels. You lose the use of the instruments for other purposes > and the gels are not likely to last very long. You also waste a lot of power. When I've used stage instrument as an IR source, I've only had to replace the gel every couple of months. We used one fixture (90 deg Selecon) which covered the entire stage. Three cuts of gel, one of each primary colour. We'd only run the fixture at 20%, which helped extend the life of the gel while providing plenty of IR for the camera. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DEF785.6080505 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:17:41 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: touring with a tv camera and monitor for showcalling purposes References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >>Actually, our electrons are the same size as yours. We just use a lot >>more of them. :D > > > Then why are the boxes so damn much bigger? ; > Because you handle the electrons more delicately. That takes larger equipment. It's the same with coffee. It takes more equipment to make a good cup of espresso than it does to make a generic cup of coffee. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: Metamorphoses Pool Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c75755$dceffae0$4200000a [at] M60> In-Reply-To: As previously noted, we just finished the show, with a much smaller pool (12x16), done without plumbing. We ended up using a combination of things for heating: lots of insulation including closed foam underneath, a "solar" pool cover, an array of waterbed heater pads, adding hot water before rehearsals and performances, and leaving a bunch of stage lights on and pointed at the pool for extended periods of time. Ultimately we were able to get the temps into the high 70s (once hitting 80) which helps the performers a great deal. It is worth noting that we opted for an extended (2 week) rehearsal period in the pool, so the kids spent a lot of time wet. A related issue is keeping the water clean and safe. We did use a pump with a "pond" filter to keep the water moving and get large particles out. We also had a daily regime of skimming the pool with a pool skimmer before and after every use. We used a chlorine-alternative chemical "shock" treatment after every use. (Note: you need to leave the pool uncovered for at least 6-8 hours after putting in the chemicals to allow off-gassing.) This treatment kept the water chemically safe and balanced. However, we still had a big problem with smaller sediment (dust, body and costume debris, etc.) which would tend to settle at the bottom of the pool and get stirred up by movement. Ultimately, we invested in a battery-powered underwater vacuum cleaner which we used daily and which worked very well in dealing with the sediment issue. Naturally, there are more lessons learned. If anyone is interested, please feel free to contact me. Also, we have lots of "stuff" including the pool liner itself, the cover and the vacuum cleaner which could be available to others interested in doing something with it. I'm still in the process of sorting the photos, which I will post someday soon. Jonathan ************* Jonathan S. Deull Edmund Burke School Washington, DC jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com www.deull.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1940.205.215.253.2.1172241787.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:43:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Infrared monitor suggestions? From: "Bill Nelson" > In message , Bill Nelson writes >>It would be an interesting experiment to see if hot instruments over >>the stage would provide enough IR, all by themselves - without need of >>preheat profiles. > The camera's kinda expect infra red from just the very end of the > visible spectrum like 880nm so just hot metal might not be good enough. > But maybe a very low level touch on a filament may produce light at that > wavelength. Dunno. But a friend did the gelling trick with a 500W > halogen and he said it worked a treat while the gel lasted. That's what I expected, but thought it would be fun to try. A pre-glow or low glow preheat should produce plenty of IR. And you are not losing all the energy that is absorbed by the gels. The cameras these days are pretty sensitive. 0.1 lux or lower is not unusual. Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <80b44ce00702230646y59a633f6ub77d403088800046 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:46:32 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Taking advantage <> ermmm... horseshit. I wonder if people who write things like these ever actually think about what they have put on paper. I have truly learned to despise "sound bites" as well. People can take advantage of you because you are ignorant. People can take advantage of you because you are stupid. People can take advantage of you because they know how. People can take advantage of you because you are weak. People can take advantage of you because you are dedicated ... are in love with what you do. ... are in love with someone. ... are in like with someone. ... are in lust with someone. ... have pride in yourself and what you do. ... will not do something "half-assed". What the original statement actually says to me is "If someone takes advantage of you, it's your fault." Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980702230647s555e186atc0d1f1c158419743 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:47:32 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site In-Reply-To: References:

Very nice Jeffrey. I'm sure this will be a great resource to many. I have several people on my list whom I shall refer to the site... Scott www.hstech.org On 2/23/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The "Stage Lighting for Students" web site is online at: > > http://www.stagelightingprimer.com > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <80b44ce00702230657u7b79a197wffcbc19f63fe71e0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:57:17 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating <> Do I detect a note of sarcasm here? If so, I think it curious as it seems to me the technical problems involved in building the pool are rather more interesting and intriguing than they are difficult. It seems way more fun than "okay... let's build a bunch more flats". Of course, this is just my opinion. I certainly can't imagine doing this show at the poster's theatre... a stunning restored white glove proscenium house where, the last time I worked there, we had to put strips of Marley floor "under" our flats so they wouldn't touch the stage floor and one was not allowed to cut any wood on stage for any reason. I don't think a 20x25 pool of heated water would fly there. This is also jjust my opinion. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <80b44ce00702230659v17ffb690w1fc44c65cad327f9 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:59:46 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Jac Pac Anyone used a jac Pac? It's a valve assembly that attaches to a paintball cylinder and allows one to attach air tools, i.e. staplers, brad guns, etc. I'm curous as to how well and long (per cylinder) the system works. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:03:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Jac Pac From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <26134220.1172242904980.JavaMail.root [at] m41> More importantly, does it allow you to attach a pneumatic compressor to to your paintball gun? On 2/23/07 9:59 AM, "Paul Guncheon" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone used a jac Pac? > > It's a valve assembly that attaches to a paintball cylinder and allows > one to attach air tools, i.e. staplers, brad guns, etc. > > I'm curous as to how well and long (per cylinder) the system works. > > Laters, > > Paul > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0423F585-A5FF-4AF3-A592-3F0E3AA8972B [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:08:12 -0500 On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote: > I don't think a 20x25 pool of heated water would fly there. If you do fly that pool, don't use Gripples! -=Greg Williams=- www.LRLR.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <80b44ce00702230718w1a11241bj7c8c84ede583e415 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:18:20 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Hedda Techie? Techie? I'm already on record concerning how much I despise this term. It's not the intention of the speaker that makes this term acceptable or not... but rather the feelings of the person(s) referred to. When "you" say something to me, it is "I" who determines what it means. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:29:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Jac Pac From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: No, but I did rig up a smallish portable air tank (3 Gals??) to be able to use standard air line fittings for the tools you describe when we needed to go up a personnel lift and did not want to drag out the pancake compressor and an air line. Did not get a lot of use from it w/o recharging but small repairs were easily effected. Not for production use by any means. Max tank pressure was about 120 PSI. Stapler/Nailer from 50PSI to 90PSI. Good for a few shots. Steve Rees On 2/23/07 9:59 AM, "Paul Guncheon" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone used a jac Pac? > > It's a valve assembly that attaches to a paintball cylinder and allows > one to attach air tools, i.e. staplers, brad guns, etc. > > I'm curous as to how well and long (per cylinder) the system works. > > Laters, > > Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:41:10 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Gripples... again References: In-Reply-To: In message , "ladesigners [at] juno.com" writes >I do not permit gripples on my projects either. My liability exposure >for someone falling or something falling on someone is unacceptable. Agreed. I've never used gripples on the stage installations I've done. It's always bulldogs and thimbles or wedges. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:39:55 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Gripples... again References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Sapsis writes >Do I really need the install to be 1 minute faster than a couple of >wire rope clips or a swage fitting. Do I really need it to be a little >easier? What am I sacrificing for the install to be faster and easier. Unfortunately this means your price may end up marginally higher than the profit motivated company that just wants baboons to fling the stuff up so it can invoice. (And it's not usually technically minded people that decide who gets the work.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Taking advantage Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:52:19 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07861DAE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > <> >=20 > ermmm... horseshit. >=20 > I wonder if people who write things like these ever actually=20 > think about what they have put on paper. I have truly learned=20 > to despise "sound bites" as well. >=20 > > =20 > What the original statement actually says to me is "If=20 > someone takes advantage of you, it's your fault." Like I think I've said before, I try to encourage all of my students (and everyone else I come in contact with) to remember that when people speak in generalities and in terms of universal statements, that there's always exceptions to those rules. And while I will qualify my original inclusion of the above statement with the caveat that, yes, sometimes people will do things to try to manipulate you, or take advantage of you, the point I was trying to make is that nobody can "make" you do something (threat of physical force or extortion notwithstanding). In your next post, it almost seems like you state the exact opposite of what you wrote above when you said "When "you" say something to me, it is "I" who determines what it means." That *does* put the responsibility for interpretation on the listener. Yes, people can take advantage of another's ignorance or emotional state, but with whom does the responsibility lie for being in that state in the first place? It's emasculating to condone the idea that one has no responsibility in situations like this, and that the onus is all on the dominant member of the relationship (whatever relationship that may be). Is a state of ignorance acceptable? Or should I take the responsibility (as much as is reasonably possible) to pull myself out of that? Being driven by blind emotion (love/lust/whatever)...isn't it a choice to allow myself to be driven that way? Shouldn't I instead take the responsibility to *think*? Too often people in our culture are raised with the attitude that other people know better than we do about anything and everything substantial. When that pervades the culture, we end up with...well, the current political climate we have today. We end up as sheep. We end up with Jonestowns, we end up with people falling for Nigerian email scams, we end up being helpless because the reflex is to say "well, s/he knows better than I do so I'll just go along with it." And that's "allowing" oneself to be taken advantage of...the fact we don't use the reasoning abilities we're given. Yes, I'll agree with you that being in those states sets one up to be taken advantage of. And I'll agree with you that, in practical terms, it's not necessarily the person's fault when that happens. But to deny that the ability to say *no* is there is to place a very dangerous limit on what one can accomplish in this lifetime, and sets the person up for a continual process of being taken advantage of. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:17:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Gripples... again From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 2/23/07 10:39 AM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > Unfortunately this means your price may end up marginally higher than > the profit motivated company that just wants baboons to fling the stuff > up so it can invoice. > > (And it's not usually technically minded people that decide who gets the > work.) Yes, but my reputation precedes me and that reputation, along with a fair price, is what gets me my work. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:32:00 -0500 From: Kathleen McDonough Subject: Re: Taking advantage In-reply-to: Message-id: <88F1B7B0-5016-4366-BD6B-F21E73FAE9EC [at] klad.com> References: Paul, All of your statements are simply the result of choices. It is true that no one can take advantage of you without your permission. It is up to you to choose how you wish to respond to any situation. So, if you allow someone to take advantage of you, they will. All of your "people can take advantage of you" statements, in my opinion are not good arguments, unless you can explain how people can actually "do" any of the things you list, without your permission. For example, if someone takes advantage of you because they perceive you as weak, well, how is that perception developed? It is developed as a result of a series of choices you've made. Kathleen On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > <> > > ermmm... horseshit. > > I wonder if people who write things like these ever actually think > about what they have put on paper. I have truly learned to despise > "sound bites" as well. > > People can take advantage of you because you are ignorant. > > People can take advantage of you because you are stupid. > > People can take advantage of you because they know how. > > People can take advantage of you because you are weak. > > People can take advantage of you because you are dedicated > > ... are in love with what you do. > > ... are in love with someone. > > ... are in like with someone. > > ... are in lust with someone. > > ... have pride in yourself and what you do. > > ... will not do something "half-assed". > > What the original statement actually says to me is "If someone takes > advantage of you, it's your fault." > > Laters, > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:28:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Gripples... again From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It's certainly not your floor show at the raffle... On 2/23/07 11:17 AM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 2/23/07 10:39 AM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > >> Unfortunately this means your price may end up marginally higher than >> the profit motivated company that just wants baboons to fling the stuff >> up so it can invoice. >> >> (And it's not usually technically minded people that decide who gets the >> work.) > > Yes, but my reputation precedes me and that reputation, along with a fair > price, is what gets me my work. > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ETCP Council Member > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. > July 29 - August 6, 2007. -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: joreth [at] techie.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:48:37 -0500 Subject: Re: First Gig Message-Id: <20070223164837.985CE1158CF [at] ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> > I would also add that they should not play with the toys unless told. > This would mean the control consoles, instruments, props, etc.... Easy > way to upset a few people if you play with stuff that is not yours (and > potentially dangerous). Seems like it should be common sense, but for > some reason it is not. This is the reason I mention not playing with shit that is hanging from the= sky ... like rope. I had this one kid who compulsively tweaked every piec= e of rope he passed ... and it was an arena gig with lots of points. Even = after telling him several times to stop touching the rope, he couldn't seem= to help himself (or he was just ignoring me). I had to get in his face, m= ake him look up, and tell him there was a PERSON attached to that rope who = would fall down on HIS HEAD, and the next time I see him even thinking abou= t touching the rope, I was sending him home. Why is common sense not very = common? > All the XLR mics and such that I've seen have a male connector, so > that the pins point toward the source of the phantom power (if > needed). >=20 > Hence the explanation I gave above. Which is why my page says "in lighting, females have the power and in audio= , males have the power, but when in doubt, ask". In this case, "power" is = meant to cover all signal, whether it's electricity or sound or whatever, t= o simplify a phrase for ease of remembering. I've tried the phrase "males = lead", but it confused a lot of newbies because they weren't sure which way= was "leading". When I say "female has the power", they seem to get it tha= t they need to bring the "power" to the instrument and therefore that end g= oes to the instrument. But it's not written in stone, some instruments hav= e it against the "rule" (in the case of video projection, for instance, bot= h ends of the VGA are male), and everyone has their own little catch phrase= s, which is why I repeatedly tell the newbie on the page to ASK. I thank everyone for their constructive comments. I will undoubtedly be up= dating the page over time, but I am comfortable with the page as it stands = now to make it go live. Please feel free to send people to the page if you= think it has any valuable information, and if anyone uses it in a non-onli= ne manner (i.e., printout for class) or links to it from another site, I on= ly ask that you credit me and my website. I plan to send out the next issu= e of the newsletter later this afternoon, which will mention the article an= d where to find it. Thanks again! =3D Honda portable generator Free appliance load tester when you purchase from Honda's eStore. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D5a299a4e010336d369e22= b1197eabaad ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DF22E5.4060509 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:22:45 -0800 From: Michael Millar Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating References: In-Reply-To: Also look into spa packs for rebuilding hot tubs. They're pretty affordable and have the pump, heater, filter and controller all built on a handy little pallet. Cheers, Michael ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:30:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070223183021.OACU26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/02/22 Thu PM 05:45:37 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > This is kinda the point about the power of words, and that they only have > the power we assign to them. If a black brother calls a black brother > 'Nigga', it tends to not be a problem. If a black brother calls a white > brother 'Nigga', the results are a bit wierd, but also tends not to be a > problem. Reverse the races in that situation, and you may be discussing it > in front of cops and/or lawyers. I'd liek to see a world in which one > could call another 'Nigga' as a term of endearment, regardless of race or > skin color, and no one would be upset. I don't see the power that that > word has been given going away anytime soon, but I'd be willing to bet that > if everyone who was called that smiled real big and took it as a friendly > term, it would soon be out of fashion as an insult. > Words have the power that you give them. And the power changes over the years. I have recently been re-reading novels written between the wars, in the twenties and thirties. In those days, the term did not carry the connotations that is has been landed with, particularly by the PC folk. Indeed, 'to work like a N*****' was a term of praise for a hard worker. But PC is everywhere. Some of Gilbert's verse has been re-written, in "The Mikado"; the title of a novel by Agatha Christie has been changed, and no doubt the nursery rhyme from which it derived has, as well. The novels also contain a strong anti-semitic element. No doubt this will be edited out before long, as the N-word has largely been. I think this a pity. Novels and other literary works reflect the views and customs of the time when they were written. In a sense, they are valuable social documents, and more so if the author's words are left alone.By their unconscious mentions of the values of society, the provide a valuable insight. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Gripples... again Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:36:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070223183621.GENV17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Brian James > Date: 2007/02/23 Fri AM 01:37:37 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Gripples... again > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Okay, I have to ask because I like being difficult. > > When referring to gripples and the issues associated with them, are we > talking about generic gripples or the Gripples made by Gripple > (http://www.gripple.com/construction/) > > I only ask because from the website mentioned it would appear that the > hardware is properly rated and able to be used for some of the > applications mentioned in the various conversations on this mail list. > > I may be way off here, but it seemed like a question worth asking? > Under a constant load, this is probably true. But they rely on the load for their locking. This is not always the case in the theatre. Even dead hung pieces may be disturbed. No load: no lock. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half (fwd) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:51:54 +0000 Message-Id: <20070223185154.OILU26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Charlie Richmond > Date: 2007/02/23 Fri AM 03:17:09 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half > (fwd) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Not just Germany but all over Europe now, there are wind farms and solar panels > going in everywhere. In the UK there are a number of grant programs that > encourage homeowners to do it and the CONSERVATIVE opposition leader, David > Cameron has both solar panels and a wind generator on his home... Yes, and it serves no useful purpose. Wind generators, in an urban environment, are of little use. Solar panels are better, but both need sophisticated control gear. Solar water heating is a good idea, for some purposes. It provides low grade heat, and is ideal for a swimming pool. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: First Gig Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:26:52 +0000 Message-Id: <20070223192652.VWRV29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Paul Schreiner" > Date: 2007/02/23 Fri AM 03:43:41 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: First Gig > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >Think phantom power source rather than audio signal source, and "pin to > > >power" works for audio just fine. > > > > Ehm, the source of the sound is either a mic or the output of another audio > > device. Think of the pins 'pointing' in the direction of the audio's > > signal flow. > > "Pin to power", like a male plug fitting into a female wall socket, > means that the pins point toward the power source. > > All the XLR mics and such that I've seen have a male connector, so > that the pins point toward the source of the phantom power (if > needed). It has been done both ways round. It is more usual to have the mic inputs on a female XLR in the fixed equipment, but not universal. Most sound men carry a kit of 'sex-changers'. I certainly do. At the other end of the systems, it is a different question. Some speakers have XLR connectors, some Neutrik, and a few AXR. One or two used mono phone jacks. Big speakers have serious power coming at them, and this should appear on females. The XLR range of connectors is really too versatile. There was a time when the BBC's news department used them for camera batteries, and I mean XLR-3! I have heard of a touring outfit which used XLR-3 connectors for everything. Mains, microphones, the lot. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1172258834.18382.1176205609 [at] webmail.messagingengine.com> From: "John Huntington" References: Subject: Check the door size before ordering your scoreboard In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:27:14 -0500 http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2007/02/23/high_school_doe.php February 23, 2007 High School Doesn't Know the Score from the Door This is a relatively minor incident, but the photograph from the Post elevates this story to a new level. James Monroe Campus High School had ordered a new 7' by 9' scoreboard to replace their current, barely working 50-year old one. But when the scoreboard arrived, there was no door big enough for it to fit through! The Post reports that deliveryman spent four hours trying to find an entrance at the Bronx school accommodating enough to no avail. The Department of Education says it's the vendor's fault for not knowing whether the sign could actually be successfully delivered. The scoreboard dealer Nickerson says that the problem was because they didn't realize the metal bar in the middle of the double doors was welded to the frame. D'oh! Luckily, Nickerson won't charge the DOE extra for a second delivery, even if it means using a crane to bring through the second floor (just make sure the interior doors, stairways and hallways can handle it), because we know how the DOE loves to save money. Monroe's basketball team, the Eagles, are in the playoffs, facing off with the Martin Van Buren Fighting Veebees next Tuesdays. -- John Huntington jhuntington [at] fastmail.net ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: "Techie" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:36:27 +0000 Message-Id: <20070223193629.GZRQ17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Jonathan S. Deull" > Date: 2007/02/23 Fri PM 01:16:58 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: "Techie" > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Putting aside the humor just for a moment, and acknowledging Chris's points > about the power of words, the "techie" issue has some resonance for me now > that I am working at the high school level. It is really class discrimination. "Techie" covers anything from SM and LD down. It implies that any one who is associated with the mechanics of a show is of a lower grade than those who appear in it. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90702231142o555a49f0uf680e7e14f80303c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:42:22 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: First Gig In-Reply-To: References: On 2/23/07, joreth [at] techie.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This is the reason I mention not playing with shit that is hanging from the sky ... l More profanity, just for the sake of saying it... I like profanity, don't get me wrong. I often talk like a sailor. Funny though, when you post it to a list, or on a website, it seems rude. > I thank everyone for their constructive comments. I will undoubtedly be updating the page over time, but I am comfortable with the page as it stands now to make it go live. Translated into... I asked, and I did not hear what I wanted to hear, so I'll just do it my way. Good thing all of these knowledgeable people took time out of their lives to make constructive comments. > > = > Honda portable generator > Free appliance load tester when you purchase from Honda's eStore. SPAM as a signature line, Nice touch! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:46:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Gripples... again From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As I recall that honor belongs to you! ;) Will you repeat that in PHX? Steve Rees On 2/23/07 11:28 AM, "Steve Shelley" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It's certainly not your floor show at the raffle... > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:26:58 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070223202658.2CA741FAFB4 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 06:08 PM 2/22/2007, RD wrote: >We at NFPA 1126 shall look at it. Doom That would be appreciated. Going by the NFPA and the PGI Operator's Certification, it SOUNDS like any way to keep it from operating is fine, it doesn't have to be super secure. Here's what we're planning to do: All units will have a pass-code capability. It will be shipped unlocked (code "00"), the user can change the code if they wish to lock them. If locked, continuity testing will still work, but it won't arm or fire. It can only be unlocked at power-on. Turning off the power will re-lock it. I suspect hardly anyone will use this since it's simpler to just carry this in your pocket (the entire device is removed instead of the key). For a bit more money, we'll offer a removable mechanical interlock. Remove the interlock, no power to the pyro section (no continuity, no LEDs, nothing). It won't be super secure, but a person who found this in your toolbox wouldn't be able to arm it without tools. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:45:03 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070223214502.CB8031FB517 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 11:28 AM 2/22/2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: >Regarding your keyswitch question, my opinion is that so long as it >complies with NFPA1126 it's fine. Although your idea of a digital >passcode to be entered is not bad and probably wouldn't significantly >increase the cost to mfg. I was just reading NFPA 1123, section 9.2.6... hand held devices do NOT need a key. So, I'll offer a mechanical key for those who think it's needed, the rest will go without a key. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: Modular connectors Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07862001 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Trying to repair a patch wire connector into our dimmer rack. Anyone have experience with modular connectors akin to McMaster-Carr item number 8026K1? It seems straightforward enough, but I'm having a heck of a time trying to the get crimped wire seated into the housing... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:15:37 -0500 Subject: Va Woolf shotgun and parasol? From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Anyone on the list know the whereabouts of the prop shotgun for Who Afraid of Virginia Woolf? The show seems to be done all the time, but finding the gun seems to be dead-ending. I'd rather borrow or rent a good one, than have a silly one from a magic shop or have to build one. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:50:26 -0500 Subject: Foot switch activator? From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greetings; I just got a phone call from a friend who is production elec on an off-broadway show. Due to budget constraints the producers have asked him if it's possible to rig the ETC expression 3 up with a foot-pedal switch to initiate a *go*. I told him I had never heard of such a thing, we both agreed that such a plan would be potentially fraught with show-threatening scenarios (double hit, stop, hold, go back, go to, a few of the basic scenarios that would come to mind), and then I told him to call david fox at etc without passing go or collecting the $200. In the meantime, I thought it might be interesting to pose this scenario to the list and see if anyone had ever heard of, or considered such a device. I presume the purpose is to reduce the number of folk required to run the show (or to help the show's wheels fall off). Thoughts? -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Foot switch activator? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:55:42 -0500 Message-ID: <014e01c7579d$bed8a6e0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > the=20 > producers have asked him if it's possible to rig the ETC=20 > expression 3 up with a foot-pedal switch to initiate a *go*.=20 Easily. The Expression, like the Express, has a D-type connector on the back = panel, for connecting to a user-supplied switchbox. On the Express, these = switches -- up to four -- activate macros #s 1901-1904. On the Expression (I believe) there can be up to eight switches. ...So, yes, the foot switch could easily be part of that circuit, with = the macro running the AB (or CD) "Go" function. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:00:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: So do you have one of these switchboxes? Do you know where to get them? Are they a radio shack item? Or a "make it yourself" device? Or is this hypothetical? Steve Shelley On 2/23/07 5:55 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> the >> producers have asked him if it's possible to rig the ETC >> expression 3 up with a foot-pedal switch to initiate a *go*. > > Easily. > > The Expression, like the Express, has a D-type connector on the back panel, > for connecting to a user-supplied switchbox. On the Express, these switches > -- up to four -- activate macros #s 1901-1904. On the Expression (I > believe) there can be up to eight switches. > > ...So, yes, the foot switch could easily be part of that circuit, with the > macro running the AB (or CD) "Go" function. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Sara Ward" Subject: RE: Va Woolf shotgun and parasol? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:05:18 -1000 I just mailed one back to Alaska. Cyrano Theatre. The contacts name is Mark Robokoff. He's a great guy, and he built a nice gun that works very well. Sara Ward Manoa Valley Theatre >From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Va Woolf shotgun and parasol? >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:15:37 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Anyone on the list know the whereabouts of the prop >shotgun for Who Afraid of Virginia Woolf? The show >seems to be done all the time, but finding the gun >seems to be dead-ending. I'd rather borrow or rent >a good one, than have a silly one from a magic shop >or have to build one. > >Thanks, > >Steve > _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DF7785.1070202 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:23:49 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? References: In-Reply-To: Steve Shelley wrote: > I just got a phone call from a friend who is production elec on an > off-broadway show. Due to budget constraints the producers have asked him if > it's possible to rig the ETC expression 3 up with a foot-pedal switch to > initiate a *go*. They make MIDI foot switches for musicians, won't that board take a MIDI trigger command? Stuart ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Foot switch activator? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:09:21 -0500 Message-ID: <015101c7579f$a71ed220$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > So do you have one of these switchboxes? Do you know where to=20 > get them? Are they a radio shack item? Or a "make it=20 > yourself" device? Easily made. I've done it twice, and I have no fine motor skills at = all. The schematic's in the user manual. Then first time I made one, it was for a theatre that had no RFU and = wanted the box for channel check. I programmed "channel check up" and "channel check down" macros. The stage manager was one of those technophobic types who are afraid to touch anything electronic...which probably wasn't helped when I = reprogrammed one of the macros to put every light in the house into a chase and then reset itself...so when she ran and got someone to show him what it was doing, it would do what it was *supposed* to do. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: First Gig Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:16:18 +0000 Message-Id: <20070223231619.RRLH26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: joreth [at] techie.com > Date: 2007/02/23 Fri PM 04:48:37 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: First Gig > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- Why is common sense not very common? I wish I knew. I have known many people who were deficient in it. They tend to be incapable of following a 'what if' thread to a logical conclusion. > > > All the XLR mics and such that I've seen have a male connector, so > > that the pins point toward the source of the phantom power (if > > needed). This is tricky, if you stick to the principles. Power sources, however small, should be female. Phantom powered mics have a two-way flow. You have to conform to whatever the manufacturer does. > > Which is why my page says "in lighting, females have the power and in audio, males have the power, but when in doubt, ask". In this case, "power" is meant to cover all signal, whether it's electricity or sound or whatever, to simplify a phrase for ease of remembering. I've tried the phrase "males lead", but it confused a lot of newbies because they weren't sure which way was "leading". When I say "female has the power", they seem to get it that they need to bring the "power" to the instrument and therefore that end goes to the instrument. But it's not written in stone, some instruments have it against the "rule" (in the case of video projection, for instance, both ends of the VGA are male), and everyone has their own little catch phrases, which is why I repeatedly tell the newbie on the page to ASK. > You are right. But heaven help us all. If you have someone who can't tell which plug will mate with which socket, I don't want them on my show. Monitors apart, it's usually pretty straightforward. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:24:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey, is this what you're talking about? Would this a useable device in this situation? On 2/23/07 6:23 PM, "Stuart Wheaton" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Shelley wrote: > >> I just got a phone call from a friend who is production elec on an >> off-broadway show. Due to budget constraints the producers have asked him if >> it's possible to rig the ETC expression 3 up with a foot-pedal switch to >> initiate a *go*. > > > They make MIDI foot switches for musicians, won't that board take a MIDI > trigger command? > > Stuart -- Steve Shelley ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Foot switch activator? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:42:55 -0500 Message-ID: <015901c757a4$573bfa30$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: No, the thing I'm talking about is not midi at all (although the midi interface would also be an option). It's a homemade box with eight pushbutton switches (4, if the console's an Express). It's described on page 344 on the Expression 3 manual. The advantage of building the box is that it gives the operator 8 macros -- that's a lot of flexibility. I've been thinking about building one for myself just to have more macro buttons available without having to use the M* button. ================================= Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.jeffsalzberg.com 201/379-3138 (Home) 917/238-7430 (Cell) jeffsalzberg (Skype) weblog: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/blog.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of Steve Shelley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:25 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jeffrey, is this what you're talking about? Would this a > useable device in this situation? ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:00:06 EST Subject: Re: 'Techie' (was Re: Hedda Techie?) _psyd [at] cox.net_ (mailto:psyd [at] cox.net) writes: << If a black brother calls a black brother 'Nigga', it tends to not be a problem. If a black brother calls a white brother 'Nigga', the results are a bit wierd, but also tends not to be a problem. Reverse the races in that situation, and you may be discussing it in front of cops and/or lawyers. I'd liek to see a world in which one could call another 'Nigga' as a term of endearment, regardless of race or skin color, and no one would be upset. >> Blacks using it to other blacks is becoming less acceptable also as more people learn the history of the word. True story: Brian, my (white) hubby was on tour and called one of the local (black) stagehands "brother". He replied "I'm not your brother!" To which Brian replied, "You're in the IA right? The stagehand's union." " Yes." "Then you're my brother... my UNION brother" "Oh! No one's ever called me that before." Consider your audience is correct. :)

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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070223165153.00caf398 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:51:53 From: CB Subject: Re: 'Techie' >Thanks Chris. Thanks a lot. ><> All kudos (and blame) go to Miss Gina. Finest rag wrangler I've ever had the pleasure to meet. Knows damn near everything, and knows where to find everything else. She posts very seldom on this list, but when she does, it tends to be a doozy. Keep clear of the keyboard! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:16:32 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Steve Shelley wrote: > I just got a phone call from a friend who is production elec on an > off-broadway show. Due to budget constraints the producers have asked him if > it's possible to rig the ETC expression 3 up with a foot-pedal switch to > initiate a *go*. Easy to do with a MIDI Solutions Footswitch controller and the standard footswitch of your choice. Just program the controller to send a MSC Lighting GO command. Charlie | Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond | | http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" | | Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html | | SoundMan List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sndmanlist.html | ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070223165611.00caf398 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:56:11 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: First Gig >All the XLR mics and such that I've seen have a male connector, so >that the pins point toward the source of the phantom power (if >needed). > >Hence the explanation I gave above. All true, but you're gonna find yourself spending a buncha time 'splainin' why Phantom left some of their power in your console. Then 'splainin' that the outputs don't have phantom power, only the inputs, but the concept holds anyway. Probably about as much time as I spend describing signal flow, but signal flow tends to be a slightly more useful concept once grasped. Horses for courses, now you have two tools in that bag! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070223165721.00caf398 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:57:21 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: Hedda Techie? >You're not seriously equating techie with nigga(er) are you? Tolja... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070223170039.00caf398 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:00:39 From: CB Subject: RE: Production Company >My friend and I are looking to start a production company. So any guiedance >and information you can give me on how to get the ball rolling would be great. First, you get a stack of hundred dollar bills, about ye high... Get a space that you can keep. Meaning free or afford. Get one that is good for performance. Old stores, warehouses, and your dad's barn aren't going to be that great. The most expensive thing to make happen is compliance with Fire Marshall Bill, the ADA, the NEC, and the cops. If your space already does that, you're halfway there. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:12:06 -0500 Subject: Re: First Gig From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: June Abernathy wrote: > I think it is best to be very very careful about using > cuss words, telling dirty jokes, and flirting with > other hands. Best rule of thumb is, be "G rated" in your own manners, but don't be surprised or offended if others are quite crass. So long as you are not judgmental of how others talk, you usually get more respect if you keep your own language clean. > I disagree that "most cable" should be coiled > over/under. This is a very specific technique that can > be beneficial for small cables like Mike cables and > data cables, keeping them from retaining the "memory" > of a coil, and enabling them to feed out easier and > lie flat once they do. Speaking only for myself, I always over / under wrap everything the theatre or I own. It's become such a habit, and second nature that I don't even think about it. Power cables seem to lay flatter when I throw them out after being over/under wrapped, whereas over/over wrapped cables sometimes keep a certain "Corkscrew spiral" in them. I might be wrong about this- please correct me if I am - but if the cable is too long and some of it is left coiled, I believe over/under wrapping combats induction heating in the same way as figure 8 does. When wrapping anyone else's stuff however, the first thing to do is ASK how they prefer their cables (Mike or other) wrapped. In my experience, most do NOT want over/under, so Be sure to check how THEY want it done. > Your "Folding Drape" section is great for smaller > pieces, but for large, full stage theatrical drops, > the procedure is a little different, and generally > involves more than two people. 4, at minimum, one on > each corner of the drape. The drape is spread good > side up, then the two people on the bottom corners > pull against each other to keep tension, and run the > bottom edge up to the top edge, holding the corners up > to catch air in the drape and help spread it. Then the > drop is straightened out, the two people move to the > new bottom corners at the fold, and repeat this > procedure until the goods are about 18" wide. Then, > two people take one end, lift, and walk it to about 6" > shy of center. The other people take the other end, > lift and walk it to center. Both sides repeat until > you have about a square, then the side that left a gap > folds their half over on top of the other half. The > whole thing gets lifted or rolled into a bag or a > hamper. That's an excellent description of the way I always thought of as the "Correct" way to fold a drop. I have found lately, however, two different rental houses that send out specific folding instructions - both of them specifying to accordion fold the drop across, then to fold it bottom to top. The key, as always, is check how the owners want it done, and don't always assume that there is always one "Right" way. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:35:41 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hedda Techie? At 4:57 PM -0500 2/23/07, CB wrote: >>You're not seriously equating techie with nigga(er) are you? > >Tolja... Both are terms that some folks call each other without problem, and other folks find pretty offensive. Color me the latter. "Nigga" was merely one of a host of examples you could use to illustrate the point, but how'bout we save any others for the next time the Techie Thread comes around in the Calendar of Recurring Threads. (which, knowing this list, shouldn't be too long a wait at all.) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No comment" is a comment. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200702240036.l1O0a4CL027908 [at] ms-smtp-02.socal.rr.com> Reply-To: From: "Carolyn Tsutsui" Subject: RE: Metamorphoses Pool heating Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:35:58 -1000 In-reply-to: My sarcasm was more of a joking curiosity, of which I had continued the conversation off-list. You are right Paul; a 20x25 pool of heated water won't work at our theatre, mostly because our stage can't handle the weight. However in a few short weeks our theatre will be turned into a huge sandbox (5 tons of sand) - so we are not so strict. We do have certain precautions to take in care for our wooden floor and the historical aspect of the space. And we are not the only theatre in the country that has such restrictions, I have been to a few houses (when I use to tour) with the wood floor such and ours and I had to put something under everything to protect the stage. I wish we had a typical black masonite stage - but we don't and it is what it is. When was the last time you were here - I don't recognize your name? Carolyn Tsutsui, Stage Manager Hawaii Theatre 1130 Bethel Street Honolulu, HI 96813 (808) 791- 1326 (Direct) (808) 791-1340 Fax www.hawaiitheatre.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Guncheon Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- <> Do I detect a note of sarcasm here? If so, I think it curious as it seems to me the technical problems involved in building the pool are rather more interesting and intriguing than they are difficult. It seems way more fun than "okay... let's build a bunch more flats". Of course, this is just my opinion. I certainly can't imagine doing this show at the poster's theatre... a stunning restored white glove proscenium house where, the last time I worked there, we had to put strips of Marley floor "under" our flats so they wouldn't touch the stage floor and one was not allowed to cut any wood on stage for any reason. I don't think a 20x25 pool of heated water would fly there. This is also jjust my opinion. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45DF3503.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:40:08 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? References:

In-Reply-To: I used one when I was running 5 systems simultaneously. Most of the time, each system (lights, laser, automation, and projections) ran off SMPTE code. With built in stops for train-wrecks, the systems needed to *go* off manual cues. In a few instances, I had to hit 5 things at the same time. Since I'm not an octopus, I ran the light board off the foot pedal. It could either hit the *go* button on the board or the foot pedal. This was about 8 years ago, so the technology may have advanced, but it was ETC. I did this for 12 shows a week for 3 months. No problems ever. And yes, this was to keep the number of people running the show to a minimum, but I think some of the rationale was to see if it could be done. Adriane Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) >>> Steve Shelley 2/23/2007 4:50 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In the meantime, I thought it might be interesting to pose this scenario to the list and see if anyone had ever heard of, or considered such a device. Thoughts? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45DF8ABC.2020708 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:45:48 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Check the door size before ordering your scoreboard References:

In-Reply-To: John Huntington wrote: > High School Doesn't Know the Score from the Door > > James Monroe Campus High School had > ordered a new 7' by 9' scoreboard to replace their current, barely > working 50-year old one. But when the scoreboard arrived, there was no > door big enough for it to fit through! > The > scoreboard dealer Nickerson says that the problem was because they > didn't realize the metal bar in the middle of the double doors was > welded to the frame. I once had to bring an automobile into an inner room for use as a driving simulator. We could bring it in from the loading dock and I had a garage door opening w/overhead door into the room. The entire path was checked out by facilities and OK'ed. We had dollies under each wheel so we could turn on a dime. BUUUUUUUTTTTT, it couldn't take one turn by 2 inches, so Facilities just knocked that corner down and repaired it later. Practical engineering. Why didn't they cut the middle post out and weld in back in later? Chip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:52:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello adriane; Thanks for your story. Do you know what the footpedal was? Or manufacturer? Tia, shelley On 2/23/07 7:40 PM, "Adriane Bennett" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I used one when I was running 5 systems simultaneously. Most of the > time, each system (lights, laser, automation, and projections) ran off > SMPTE code. With built in stops for train-wrecks, the systems needed to > *go* off manual cues. In a few instances, I had to hit 5 things at the > same time. Since I'm not an octopus, I ran the light board off the foot > pedal. It could either hit the *go* button on the board or the foot > pedal. This was about 8 years ago, so the technology may have advanced, > but it was ETC. I did this for 12 shows a week for 3 months. No > problems ever. And yes, this was to keep the number of people running > the show to a minimum, but I think some of the rationale was to see if > it could be done. > Adriane > > Adriane Bennett > Technical Director > Auburn University Theatre Department > 334-844-6620 > 344-844-4939 (fax) > > >>>> Steve Shelley 2/23/2007 4:50 PM >>> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > In the meantime, I thought it might be interesting to pose this > scenario to > the list and see if anyone had ever heard of, or considered such a > device. > > Thoughts? > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:46:39 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: First Gig In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/23/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: > That's an excellent description of the way I always thought of as the > "Correct" way to fold a drop. I have found lately, however, two different > rental houses that send out specific folding instructions - both of them > specifying to accordion fold the drop across, then to fold it bottom to top. I have called that style of folding a "shop-fold" because that is the way that new drops seem to be folded in the shop. It makes hanging drops a PITA because you need a lot more floor space to unfold the drop and get to the ties. I think the drapery shops prefer this style of folding because it is easier for them to sew and inspect the drapery this way. The drops are folded in-line with the seams. The usual bottom-to-top fold is perpendicular to most seams. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1449f50a0702231903s3400d903x5515ad10d62d4749 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:03:36 -0800 From: "Brooke Carlson" Subject: Re: Modular connectors In-Reply-To: References: > Anyone have experience with modular connectors akin to McMaster-Carr > item number 8026K1? It seems straightforward enough, but I'm having a > heck of a time trying to the get crimped wire seated into the housing... > I know these as Anderson connectors, and also order them from McMaster (the big yellow book is my friend). It does take a bit of a wiggle on the crimped wire to get them seated, but I've never had any real trouble with them. Couple of quick, if possibly obvious, questions: Are you making sure that the hump on the blade is correctly oriented? Are you using the tool designed for crimping these connectors, or a generic one? I'm running a show right now and can't check, but IIRC, the finished crimp from the tool is round, rather than flattened or dimpled like from a typical hand crimper. -- Brooke Carlson Automation Carpenter Lion King - Cheetah Tour ------------------------------ Message-ID: <285ca8df0702231932s976f00bq285f638e9eabb4d6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:32:30 -0600 From: "Schuyler Silva" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples In-Reply-To: References:

This makes no sense. Please keep comments relevant. On 2/23/07, Greg Williams wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote: > > I don't think a 20x25 pool of heated water would fly there. > > If you do fly that pool, don't use Gripples! > > -=Greg Williams=- > www.LRLR.org > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1155 ******************************