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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42817357; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:04:55 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS, PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS,PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA, PRXY_USER_DROP_SINO,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1157 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:03:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1157 1. Re: First Gig. by Bruce Purdy 2. Curtain pricing by "Gerald George" 3. Re: "Techie" by Bruce Purdy 4. Re: Gripples... again by "Delbert Hall" 5. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by "Delbert Hall" 6. Re: Metamorphoses Pool by "Delbert Hall" 7. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples by Greg Williams 8. Re: Production Company by Kevin Lee Allen 9. Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 10. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples by Clive Mitchell 11. Re: First Gig. by Clive Mitchell 12. Re: Modular connectors by Clive Mitchell 13. Re: Modular connectors by Jerry Durand 14. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Rigger 15. Re: First Gig. by Rigger 16. Re: Production Company by "Jared M. Forsythe" 17. Re: First Gig by Mick Alderson 18. Audience response system ? by dansldme [at] comcast.net 19. Re: First Gig by joreth [at] techie.com 20. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by "Brian Munroe" 21. Re: Metamorphoses Pool by "Schuyler Silva" 22. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples by "Schuyler Silva" 23. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples by "Schuyler Silva" 24. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Bill Sapsis 25. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Bill Sapsis 26. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Rigger 27. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 28. Re: "Techie" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 29. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Bill Sapsis 30. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by Steve Shelley 31. Re: Foot switch activator? by "Jason Salvatori" 32. Re: "Techie" by Bruce Purdy 33. Re: In New Jersey/New York in March by Steve Shelley 34. Re: "Techie" by "Paul Schreiner" 35. Work in NC by Bill Sapsis 36. Re: Production Company by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 37. Re: In New Jersey/New York in March by Herrick Goldman 38. Re: In New Jersey/New York in March by Steve Shelley 39. Re: Production Company by "Brian Munroe" 40. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Clive Mitchell 41. Re: First Gig. by Clive Mitchell 42. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by Clive Mitchell 43. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by Steve Shelley 44. Re: "Techie" by Jim Hyslop 45. Re: In New Jersey/New York in March by Herrick Goldman 46. Re: Production Company by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 47. Re: First Gig by June Abernathy 48. Re: "Techie" by CB 49. Re: Hedda Techie? by CB 50. Re: First Gig. by Rigger 51. Re: Hedda Techie? by CB 52. Re: "Techie" by CB 53. Re: "Techie" by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 54. Re: "Techie" by MissWisc [at] aol.com 55. Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating by "Paul Guncheon" 56. Re: First Gig. by "Brooke Carlson" 57. Re: "Techie" by "Bill Nelson" 58. Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 59. Re: "Techie" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 60. Re: First Gig by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:27:52 -0500 Subject: Re: First Gig. From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Kristi wrote: >> Swearing is [...] a normal part of the backstage vocabularly ... and >> that goes from coast to coast in all venues and styles of entertainment. > > You are wrong. (The rest of her typically insightful post snipped) It seems to me that statements like "Swearing is a normal part of backstage vocabulary" demeans the profession far more than being called "Techies" does! It's unprofessional. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <802d6cf90702240702m8012497n13ba827631f27b2f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:02:50 -0500 From: "Gerald George" Subject: Curtain pricing I wonder if you vendors on the list might contact me off list with a quick (non-binding) estimate of four panels of curtains for the walls of our black box theatre. There is some fullness to the existing ones, but it's not 50%, I think. Measurements are 2 panels at 50' wide by 20 tall and two at 53' by 20'. TIA! Jerry George gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:43:28 -0500 Subject: Re: "Techie" From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > use of > "techie" would be analogous to referring to the "musies" and "acties". It's > dismissive. It's a euphemism for, "all those folks who don't really It is only a euphemism for that in your own ears and mind - not necessarily in the minds of the speaker. I generally don't use the term, but have no problem if someone happens to call me a techie. No one that has done so has given me any reason to believe that they consider me of any less importance than anyone else - in fact I feel I get plenty of respect. So long as I take myself seriously, have self respect and act professionally, I am happy with myself and I don't care what someone else calls me. I'm with CB, in that words have no power except that which we give them. The term "Techie" is out there, it is used, and it's not going to go away. It does not carry any hidden meaning. What matters is how you respond to it, and that's your own choice to make. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:08:52 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Gripples... again In-Reply-To: References:

I want to know how Gripple figures that the minimum breaking load for their 3mm / 1/16" is 2240 lbs, when breaking strength of 1/16" steel cable is only 480 lbs. The "Working Range and Load Limit" on some of these is pretty broad. I agree with Eric and Bill, I would not use them for anything more thatn a guy wire (and I would use a circus hitch there). -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:43:35 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site In-Reply-To: References:

This is a great resouce. I will make sure my students know about it. Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:47:36 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool In-Reply-To: References:

Jonathan, How deep is your pool? I have a director who might want to use it in a show next fall. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1476E3E3-DCC9-4C6B-B4D7-297010B0A7B2 [at] appstate.edu> From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:05:24 -0500 #1 - Break out a dictionary. #2 - Look up "humor" and "puns" #3 - Relax #4 - If it's "relevant" ya want, try over at alt.pocketprotector.micromanagement.pinhead... things around here tend to be a bit more freewheeling. -=Greg Williams=- www.LRLR.org On Feb 23, 2007, at 10:32 PM, Schuyler Silva wrote: > This makes no sense. Please keep comments relevant. > > On 2/23/07, Greg Williams wrote: >> On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote: >> > I don't think a 20x25 pool of heated water would fly there. >> >> If you do fly that pool, don't use Gripples! >> >> -=Greg Williams=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:38:42 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Production Company In-reply-to: Message-id: <8742E190-3230-45DE-A8FE-244FD3661B73 [at] klad.com> References: Jared, This is a great goal and you've allowed yourself plenty of time. Some thoughts. Speak to a lawyer. You will need to incorporate and you may eventually want to make that corporation a not-for-profit (IRS type 501c3). You will definitely want to incorporate to protect yourselves. It will help if you can find an attorney that has some experience in show business or a dedicated entertainment attorney. I don't know where you would like to produce, but speak to others who have/do, not only in the specific location, but also in surrounding areas. i think there are some web resources for community theatres. Consider starting out with an alliance with some other groups. In our area the Studio Players in Upper Montclair and The Nutley Little Theatre in Nutley Come immediately to mind. There was a poster on this list who worked at NLT, if she is not still here, I have a friend who might be able to connect you. Consider a municipal recreation department. Existing theatre companies and organizations like a recreation department have systems in place, they may have spaces available for you to use. They may have lights and sound gear. Most important, they will have relationships and insurance. Your corporation will need insurance, but often you can piggy back with others to save some initial investment. You will need capital. You need to develop a plan to raise that capital. Partnering may help you raise funds. How large a production do you plan? Straight play,? Musical? Original works? On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:47 AM, Jared M. Forsythe wrote: > My friend and I are looking to start a production company. Well our > plan is to put on a show a year from this June. After seeing what > kind of support and so on we get from that production we eventualy > would like to start a community theater company. Right now it is > just the two of us trying to find our way. So any guiedance and > information you can give me on how to get the ball rolling would be > great. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:52:45 -0800 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? Message-id: <45E06D5D.4090307 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> Hello list denizens - we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass through the carriers. This is motorized only - never hand pulled. Can we replace the bell cord with aircraft cable? If we do, will we eventually be in a world of hurt trying to get the cable to correctly track through the existing pulleys and capstan drum without going off track or snarling? Your advice and experiences would be helpful- Thanks in advance Carla "You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman: Stuff you pay good money for in later life." ---Emo Philips ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:05:11 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Schuyler Silva writes >This makes no sense. Please keep comments relevant. > >> >> If you do fly that pool, don't use Gripples! Previous experience has shown that the use of Gripples to support water directly have had very limited success. In most instances they just pulled right out leaving a trail of water droplets as they went. In all cases it made no difference if the water load was static or dynamic. -- Sandy Beech. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7xrHwADgEH4FFwby [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:08:48 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: First Gig. References: In-Reply-To: In message , MissWisc [at] aol.com writes >A loader rolls a crate over your foot, rigger drops a pin from the >grid, performer falls off the platform... yeah, let the words out and >no one will fault you. Swear words should be reserved for expressing >extreme emotions. But if you can't communicate in regular conversation >without resorting to swearing, you are demonstrating a lack of >knowledge of the English language. That's relative. Here in Glasgow Scotland we are notorious for using the "F" word grammatically. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:07:20 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Modular connectors References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Brooke Carlson writes >The catalog does leave that bit out. I don't use a lot of these, so >while I buy my own connectors, I borrow the crimper from the >electricians, who graciously loan it in the spirit of >interdepartmental cooperation. > Typically these specialised crimping tools carry a suitably specialised price tag. I've found it hard to justify getting the tool for just a few low use connectors in the past. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:24:13 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Modular connectors In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070224172413.240DC1FFB17 [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 09:07 AM 2/24/2007, Clive Mitchell wrote: >Typically these specialised crimping tools carry a suitably >specialised price tag. I've found it hard to justify getting the >tool for just a few low use connectors in the past. "Why buy a crimper when I have a chisel and a hammer?" Zaphead, Electrician to the 3rd world. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:54:45 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? At 8:52 AM -0800 2/24/07, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell > cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass through > the carriers. > This is motorized only - never hand pulled. > Can we replace the bell cord with aircraft cable? Yes, but you'll need to replace the winch capstain, and possibly all the other wheels the line works through, as well. Sheaves and capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire rope are two completely different animals. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:56:47 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: First Gig. At 5:08 PM +0000 2/24/07, Clive Mitchell wrote: >> But if you can't communicate in regular conversation without >> resorting to swearing, you are demonstrating a lack of knowledge >> of the English language. > > That's relative. Here in Glasgow Scotland we are notorious for > using the "F" word grammatically. Having eaten Scottish cooking, I can understand why. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No comment" is a comment. ------------------------------ From: "Jared M. Forsythe" Message-ID: <2cbe2e2c8d8e.2c8d8e2cbe2e [at] montclair.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:47:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Production Company Kevin, Thank you for your thoughts. I am looking to do a straight show. Thank you to everyone who has responded. Your comments are greatley appreiated. Jared ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Lee Allen Date: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:38 am Subject: Re: Production Company > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > Jared, > > This is a great goal and you've allowed yourself plenty of time. > > Some thoughts. > > Speak to a lawyer. You will need to incorporate and you may > eventually want to make that corporation a not-for-profit (IRS > type > 501c3). You will definitely want to incorporate to protect > yourselves. It will help if you can find an attorney that has some > > experience in show business or a dedicated entertainment attorney. > > I don't know where you would like to produce, but speak to others > who > have/do, not only in the specific location, but also in > surrounding > areas. i think there are some web resources for community theatres. > > Consider starting out with an alliance with some other groups. In > our > area the Studio Players in Upper Montclair and The Nutley Little > Theatre in Nutley Come immediately to mind. There was a poster on > this list who worked at NLT, if she is not still here, I have a > friend who might be able to connect you. Consider a municipal > recreation department. > > Existing theatre companies and organizations like a recreation > department have systems in place, they may have spaces available > for > you to use. They may have lights and sound gear. Most important, > they > will have relationships and insurance. Your corporation will need > insurance, but often you can piggy back with others to save some > initial investment. > > You will need capital. You need to develop a plan to raise that > capital. > Partnering may help you raise funds. > > How large a production do you plan? Straight play,? Musical? > Original > works? > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 12:47 AM, Jared M. Forsythe wrote: > > > My friend and I are looking to start a production company. Well > our > > plan is to put on a show a year from this June. After seeing > what > > kind of support and so on we get from that production we > eventualy > > would like to start a community theater company. Right now it is > > > just the two of us trying to find our way. So any guiedance and > > information you can give me on how to get the ball rolling would > be > > great. > > > > ----- > Kevin Lee Allen > Architect of Dreams > http://www.klad.com > 973.744.6352.voice > 201.280.3841.mobile > klad [at] klad.com > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45E08E3C.9080804 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:13:00 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: First Gig Bill wrote: >> ... But it's not written in >> stone,... and everyone has their own little >> catch phrases, which is why I repeatedly tell the newbie on the page to ASK. > > Which is why I expect the person to look at the items to be connected and find out > which end of the cable goes where. If they don't have enough initiative/sense to do > that, and end up stringing the cable backwards, then I don't want them on my crew. > Just make them turn the cable around themselves, after explaining why, and without cussing. They'll not make THAT mistake again! (They'll make others.) Everybody starts out as a newbie, and newbies are going to make mistakes. So what? We are ALL newbies on any new technology we've not seen before, and THAT happens often enough in this biz. Training the new folks is just part of the gig. Treating newbies like people will turn them into useful hands faster than anything else I've found. -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre Univ. of Wis. Oshkosh and IATSE Local 470 ------------------------------ From: dansldme [at] comcast.net Subject: Audience response system ? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:23:24 +0000 Message-Id: <022420071923.9366.45E090AC0002AE5A0000249622058891160A030B049C020E0B [at] comcast.net> Some time ago there was a thread about Audience Response Systems. Can anybody suggest a vendor in the Boston area who could provide such a system ? One day event, audience less than one hundred. Thanks, Dan S. ------------------------------ From: joreth [at] techie.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:55:12 -0500 Subject: Re: First Gig Message-Id: <20070224205512.30A8C1F50B1 [at] ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> > You know, the more I read this thread, the more it seems you've created > "What *I* think newbies should know," rather than "What new stage crew > members should know." There's a palpable difference. Then stop reading the threads since it seems to have focused on one point o= ut of dozens. Of course it's what I think newbies should know ... based on= 17 years of experience training newbies according to what the client wants= his crew to be able to do. > Granted.. if you want to work backstage for washed up heavy metal band f= rom > the 80s that's playing second rate arenas, Tuesdays at county fairs, and= bars > in towns of less than 3,000 people with one bus and a Wells Fargo traile= r... > swear away. But that is a VERY slim faction of the entertainment industr= y. I > prefer to work with the professionals who take their career seriously. Funny, I've worked for the past 17 years for the biggest names in the busin= ess, in some of the biggest venues in some of the largest cities in the cou= ntry. I've never even been to a county fair, let alone worked at one. Cus= sing hasn't seemed to hurt my career at all. =20 > My instinct is that you think you need to swear to be "one of the boys".= Try > being a person who only swears in extreme circumstances and you'll find = you > will be taken more seriously when you do. First of all, if anyone thinks swearing equals "one of the boys", that impl= ies that the boys do, in fact, swear. Second, I swear because that's how I= talk and that's how everyone I work with talks, both females and males. I= don't have a problem being taken seriously ... as proven by all the calls = I get for lead positions and training positions and high-level tech positio= ns. All the personal attacks are much less professional that any swearing I mig= ht do. I'm not accusing anyone here of being prudish or provincial or work= ing in some backwater community theatre, so I'd appreciate it if we all got= back to discussing relevant industry issues. If you don't like my page, d= on't visit it. If you like parts of it but not all of it, take the parts y= ou like and leave the rest. I think this topic has been beat to death. =3D Homes by Century 21 in Beaufort, SC Ron Smith offers professional real estate services in Beaufort, South Carol= ina. When just being thorough isn't enough. Contact Ron. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3Dc3d6efea76b6a894e5750= 8fe71b9449d ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:19:39 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? In-Reply-To: References: On 2/24/07, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell > cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass > through the carriers. Is bell cord the same as tiller line? A sash cord with a small wire rope in the center? If that is not what you are referring to, then try tiller cord. I have also used yacht braid on travelers with good success. Unless the pulleys and capstan are designed for wire rope don't try it. The wire rope will eat right thru the sheaves in short time. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <285ca8df0702241334i5c68b92bn6c670160a7d94bec [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:34:14 -0600 From: "Schuyler Silva" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool In-Reply-To: References:

It will be a completely custom job and will not be able to travel. Sorry. On 2/24/07, Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jonathan, > > How deep is your pool? I have a director who might want to use it in > a show next fall. > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > 423-773-4255 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <285ca8df0702241336y2377108dta3b90719960fe8b8 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:36:30 -0600 From: "Schuyler Silva" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples In-Reply-To: References:

Greg, Thanks for the advice. I don't know what I would do without you. "Humor" and "puns" were fairly easy to find, but the difinitions used other words that I didn't know, so I had to look those up too. After 3.5 hours, I finally understood. Thanks again. On 2/24/07, Clive Mitchell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Schuyler Silva > writes > >This makes no sense. Please keep comments relevant. > > > >> > >> If you do fly that pool, don't use Gripples! > > Previous experience has shown that the use of Gripples to support water > directly have had very limited success. In most instances they just > pulled right out leaving a trail of water droplets as they went. > > In all cases it made no difference if the water load was static or > dynamic. > > > -- > Sandy Beech. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <285ca8df0702241337m48f6b1f9o3d097b29dd5f9e2d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:37:05 -0600 From: "Schuyler Silva" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating / Gripples In-Reply-To: <285ca8df0702241336y2377108dta3b90719960fe8b8 [at] mail.gmail.com> References:

<285ca8df0702241336y2377108dta3b90719960fe8b8 [at] mail.gmail.com> See, and I can't even spell definitions right. I should go back to the dictionary... On 2/24/07, Schuyler Silva wrote: > Greg, > > Thanks for the advice. I don't know what I would do without you. > "Humor" and "puns" were fairly easy to find, but the difinitions used > other words that I didn't know, so I had to look those up too. After > 3.5 hours, I finally understood. Thanks again. > > On 2/24/07, Clive Mitchell wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > In message , Schuyler Silva > > writes > > >This makes no sense. Please keep comments relevant. > > > > > >> > > >> If you do fly that pool, don't use Gripples! > > > > Previous experience has shown that the use of Gripples to support water > > directly have had very limited success. In most instances they just > > pulled right out leaving a trail of water droplets as they went. > > > > In all cases it made no difference if the water load was static or > > dynamic. > > > > > > -- > > Sandy Beech. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:28:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The two major curtain machine manufacturers prefer a jacketed aircraft cable (bellcord?) be used with their curtain machines. I'm sure they have a good reason but I'm not sure what it is. I am also unfamiliar with the term capstan drum. A capstan winch employs a smooth, non-grooved drum. I sincerely hope that the drum being used for your curtain is grooved. All that being said (babbled?) I would use a wire rope cable that has a polyester shell. It seems to grip better on the drum and makes a lot less noise when the fleet angle isn't right. Zat help? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. On 2/24/07 11:52 AM, "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello list denizens - > > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell > cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass > through the carriers. > > This is motorized only - never hand pulled. > > Can we replace the bell cord with aircraft cable? If we do, will we > eventually be in a world of hurt trying to get the cable to correctly > track through the existing pulleys and capstan drum without going off > track or snarling? > > Your advice and experiences would be helpful- > > Thanks in advance > > Carla > > "You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. > Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman: Stuff > you pay good money for in later life." ---Emo Philips ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:30:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 2/24/07 12:54 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > Sheaves and > capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire > rope are two completely different animals. How so? Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:35:52 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? At 6:30 PM -0500 2/24/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: >> Sheaves and >> capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire >> rope are two completely different animals. > >How so? Grooved vs. smooth. -DV ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:47:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c75876$8f50f060$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Thanks, Delbert...and thanks to all the other people who've given us feedback, whether negative or positive - especially the former, since = that's what will make the site better. Now...a question for the list. A friend suggested that we add the PC spotlight (which I've done), since it's so commonly used in Europe. The question that immediately leapt into my mind was..."Why?" What do European designers see in the PC spot that I'm missing? > This is a great resouce. I will make sure my students know=20 > about it. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "Techie" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:48:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c75876$bbe3c440$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > It is only a euphemism for that in your own ears and mind > - not necessarily in the minds of the speaker. I'd bet money that 95% of the time it most certainly is. The same people would never dream of referring to "acties" or "singies". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:17:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 2/24/07 7:35 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 6:30 PM -0500 2/24/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: > >>> Sheaves and >>> capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire >>> rope are two completely different animals. >> >> How so? > > Grooved vs. smooth. > > -DV OK. I'm thinking that all drums for wire rope are or at least should be grooved. All capstain drums that I've ever seen are smooth. And they were always used with fibre rope. I guess the question now is...are there capstain winches that use wire rope? I suppose in other industries there are but in our business...I don't think there are. Bill S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:16:43 -0500 Subject: Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi jeffery; The PC is a fantastic lamp and an excellent alternative to a profile or a fresnel. The smart european manufacturers have designed units that can easily swap between a fresnel and a PC lens. I have yearned for PC's to catch on in north america but it never seems to happen. I had the chance to work with them for years in europe and the orient. Since then there have since been many times that I wished the north american fresnel system could be a little sharper-edged. When it was PC's and they were too sharp, all that would be required is the addition of frost. No doubt others will beat this topic to death. But for my money, to increase the audience to your site, I would recommend adding PC's, svobadas, and several other fixtures that just don't exist in typical north american inventories. Hth, shelley On 2/24/07 7:47 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks, Delbert...and thanks to all the other people who've given us > feedback, whether negative or positive - especially the former, since that's > what will make the site better. > > Now...a question for the list. A friend suggested that we add the PC > spotlight (which I've done), since it's so commonly used in Europe. > > The question that immediately leapt into my mind was..."Why?" What do > European designers see in the PC spot that I'm missing? > > > >> This is a great resouce. I will make sure my students know >> about it. Thanks. > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780702241747r57762ba8v8a3fd4fe99490fed [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:47:26 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Foot switch activator? In-Reply-To: References:

I am currently usig one I've built for an Express (I only wired 2 buttons, GO and BACK). If you need pictures or anything, just let me know, and I can send them off-list. The parts are: 2 momentary push switches, 1 "experimenters box" from radio shack, 1 D-type connector, 1 piece of audio snake wire. The hardest part of all of it is finding the appropriate D-type connector - it's a less common one. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:32:55 -0500 Subject: Re: "Techie" From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> It is only a euphemism for that in your own ears and mind >> - not necessarily in the minds of the speaker. > > I'd bet money that 95% of the time it most certainly is. > If I was a gamblin' man, and if I had money, I'd take that bet. > The same people would never dream of referring to "acties" or "singies". Those nicknames only really exist on this forum I suppose, but that doesn't prove anything to me. "Computer geeks" is a term I hear a lot, and I have little doubt that some of them feel the same way about that term that you do. It is also used as a symbol of pride by some others in the same way that "Techie" is. I just saw a TV ad for some store which proudly promoted their "Geek Squad" which could solve any of your technical problems! I sincerely doubt that very many folks who refer to "Computer geeks" do not value the abilities of these people or think they are not worth a decent income! I strongly believe that this detestation you feel towards the term "Techie" is more a personal bias on your part than it is a hidden agenda on the part of those that use the term. It's just a word. You can be offended by it, you can be proud of it, or you can just not worry about it - the choice is yours! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director The Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:01:18 -0500 Subject: Re: In New Jersey/New York in March From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello dave; Rats. I'll be in phoenix for usitt while you're here in town. Herrick, will you or susan be here to organize and get dave to the 2nd listers drink night? Dave, contact me OL and let me know your interests. There's a couple of things available to provide you entertainment here in either ny or nj. shelley On 2/23/07 8:46 AM, "Dave Reynolds" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi folks, > > I'll be in New Jersey/New York March 12-17 with a free day on Monday, > March 12 and Saturday, March 17. If any Listers are from the area and > can give me advice on what to do/see while I am there, I would greatly > appreciate it. > > > Thanks! > > > Dave Reynolds -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:18:30 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: "Techie" In-Reply-To: References:

> It's just a word. You can be offended by it, you can be proud of it, or > you can just not worry about it - the choice is yours! With the added note that, by taking pride in something that might have been meant insultingly, you throw the other person for a loop--and, over time, they may come to change their attitudes given the "unexpected" reaction to such a word. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:26:37 -0500 Subject: Work in NC From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi folks. Due to some scheduling snafu's and a crewmember that took sick, I have a bit of a problem. Is there anyone in the NC/SC that wants to grab a couple of days work? It would be Monday & Tuesday. Yes, this coming Monday and Tuesday. It's in Wilmington, NC. The job is not a big deal or anything. It's helping my field guy finish up a high school renovation. Mostly curtain track work. Drop me a line if you can come out to play and we can work out the details. Thanks Bill S. bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help support the 4th annual Long Reach Long Riders charity motorcycle ride. July 29 - August 6, 2007. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:26:18 GMT Subject: Re: Production Company Message-Id: <20070224.182619.15672.1238887 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Dear Kevin, I have served as the incorporating attorney or incorporator for 185 = live theatres in 38 States. Please contact me without any obligation. = This is not an advertisement or solicitation for employment. = /s/ Richard ___________________________ Jared, This is a great goal and you've allowed yourself plenty of time. Some thoughts. Speak to a lawyer. You will need to incorporate and you may = eventually want to make that corporation a not-for-profit (IRS type = 501c3). You will definitely want to incorporate to protect = yourselves. It will help if you can find an attorney that has some = experience in show business or a dedicated entertainment attorney. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:40:27 -0500 Subject: Re: In New Jersey/New York in March From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4236043.1172369182629.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Sure Steve! If I become an alcoholic it's all your fault. Dave let us know if you can stay in town for drinks. We'll try to dig up some of these scallawags who aren't at USITT. On 2/24/07 9:01 PM, "Steve Shelley" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello dave; > > Rats. I'll be in phoenix for usitt while you're here in town. Herrick, will > you or susan be here to organize and get dave to the 2nd listers drink > night? -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:43:45 -0500 Subject: Re: In New Jersey/New York in March From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: If? On 2/24/07 9:40 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sure Steve! If I become an alcoholic it's all your fault. > > Dave let us know if you can stay in town for drinks. We'll try to dig up > some of these scallawags who aren't at USITT. > > > On 2/24/07 9:01 PM, "Steve Shelley" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello dave; >> >> Rats. I'll be in phoenix for usitt while you're here in town. Herrick, will >> you or susan be here to organize and get dave to the 2nd listers drink >> night? > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:44:46 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Production Company In-Reply-To: References: On 2/24/07, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > Dear Kevin, > I have served as the incorporating attorney or incorporator for 185 > live theatres in 38 States. Please contact me without any obligation. > This is not an advertisement or solicitation for employment. > /s/ Richard How many dead theatres have you incorporated? Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:43:52 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? References: In-Reply-To: In message , Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center writes >we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell >cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass >through the carriers. > >This is motorized only - never hand pulled. Be careful about setting the limits properly whether they be on the winch itself or on the track. Failure to do so could have quite awesome results. Some exciting possibilities are:- Winch torn clean off wall. Winch drum snaps off. Motor burns out. Bent metalwork. Fuses popped. Tabs torn clean off drapes. All things I've come across in the past due to the use of powerful winches with little or no protection against stalling. Even when protection has been fitted it usually just takes one service by someone less capable and any protection is defeated. Take for instance the system where the end limits arm had detached form the switch. The motor would stall and ultimately blow the fuse. The fix was apparently to buy lots of fuses and show everyone how to put them into the control panel (shudder!). Then someone decided they could fix it permanently with a much bigger fuse. And it did! (Cost a fortune for the new winch.) Then there was the one where the phase rotation had obviously been reversed during a refit and the motor was running in the wrong direction for the buttons and limits. So instead of swapping two phases they swapped the open/close button wiring on just one of the two control points. Then the motor stalled on the (now wrong) limits so they started to try and swap them but a wire came out and they lost the drawing so they stuffed the random wire up the back of the terminals and called us in...... That took a bit of head scratching and reverse engineering to fix! -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:22:12 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: First Gig. References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Rigger writes >Having eaten Scottish cooking, I can understand why. So there's something wrong with suet, oats and giblets served in a distended bladder is there? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:25:12 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Steve Shelley writes >The PC is a fantastic lamp and an excellent alternative to a profile or >a fresnel. The smart european manufacturers have designed units that >can easily swap between a fresnel and a PC lens. I have yearned for >PC's to catch on in north america but it never seems to happen. PC = Plano Convex for those who don't know. I suppose technically speaking it's kinda between a profile and a fresnel. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:10 -0500 Subject: Re: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Whoops. Thanks, clive. Plano = flat on one side of the lens. Convex = curved on the other side of the same lens. A typical PC instrument is comprised of a single PC lens (flat side "back" towards the reflector) in a housing that completely replicates a fresnel lighting instrument. Swap to a fresnel lens and *poof* it's a fresnel. Like a fresnel, the beam can spot and flood, get shaped by barndoors, but has a sharper edge than a fresnel. Often, i've found it has a little more punch than a comparable fresnel because it doesn't have the "softness". Or at least that's my theory... Thanks again clive. Shelley On 2/24/07 9:25 PM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Steve Shelley > writes >> The PC is a fantastic lamp and an excellent alternative to a profile or >> a fresnel. The smart european manufacturers have designed units that >> can easily swap between a fresnel and a PC lens. I have yearned for >> PC's to catch on in north america but it never seems to happen. > > PC = Plano Convex for those who don't know. I suppose technically > speaking it's kinda between a profile and a fresnel. -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45E103F7.3080901 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:35:19 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: "Techie" References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > There are actors that look down on any tech person, usually the same "prima donnas" > that look down on all other actors. > > There are actors that appreciate tech and understand that what the techs do makes > that actor sound and look good on stage. They may even "look up" to a talented tech. > > There are actors that don't even think about the matter. They concentrate on doing > what they are supposed to do and expect the other actors and techs to do their jobs > as well. This is where we all belong. Well, I agree we should concentrate on what we are supposed to do, and expect all other artisans (actors, technicians, and the host of other people who contribute [e.g. administrators]) to do their jobs. But we also can, and should, appreciate the fine work performed by all the artisans involved in the show. > We are all in the same business, entertaining > an audience. Yep! Except I'm going to refine that a little again :-) I'd expand it to "entertaining, evoking deep emotions from, provoking thoughts in," and so on. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:47:58 -0500 Subject: Re: In New Jersey/New York in March From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1542686.1172371703043.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Yeah "IF" he can stay in town On 2/24/07 9:43 PM, "Steve Shelley" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > If? > > > On 2/24/07 9:40 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sure Steve! If I become an alcoholic it's all your fault. >> >> Dave let us know if you can stay in town for drinks. We'll try to dig up >> some of these scallawags who aren't at USITT. >> >> >> On 2/24/07 9:01 PM, "Steve Shelley" wrote: >> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Hello dave; >>> >>> Rats. I'll be in phoenix for usitt while you're here in town. Herrick, will >>> you or susan be here to organize and get dave to the 2nd listers drink >>> night? >> -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:56:18 GMT Subject: Re: Production Company Message-Id: <20070224.195622.8266.1306147 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> No one has requested me to build a 'Theatre of the Dead' yet; if = someone wanted a one built in the City of the Dead near Cairo, I = would certainly consider the offer and would not reject it outright. /s/ Richard _________________________________ > Dear Kevin, > I have served as the incorporating attorney or incorporator for 185 > live theatres in 38 States. Please contact me without any = obligation. > This is not an advertisement or solicitation for employment. > /s/ Richard ______________________ How many dead theatres have you incorporated? Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070225040638.53053.qmail [at] web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: First Gig Joreth writes: >I cuss. I'm not alone. That's the whole point of >the Language section. Swearing is a normal part of >my vocabulary and a normal part of the backstage >vocabularly ... and that goes from coast to coast in >all venues and styles of entertainment. Well, that's a mighty broad statement,there. We tease Frank constantly about confusing his environment and experiences with what is universally true. Apparently, he's not the only one who does it. I have played a lot of the road house theater venues in the country. In 45 states, actually, by my last count. Also, a fair number of the regional theater venues, a few arenas, convention centers, cruise ships, bars, and assorted oddball spaces. But I would never presume to know how things are done in "all venues and styles of entertainment". I can't imagine how broad someone's experience would have to be before they could even think of making such a statement. It's presumptuous. Yes, you hear alot of swearing in most backstage environments. But what and how much is considered OK varies HUGELY from space to space. You will be surprised to hear that in many places - some university theaters, some city run theaters, convention floors, cruise ships, kid shows, and I'm sure a bunch of stuff I haven't thought of - it's not considered acceptable at all. Nor is extremely politically incorrect language or flirting with co-workers of any sex. In most of the venues I work in nowadays, which is to say, mainly professional theatrical venues with usually union crews, it's a little looser, and the odd muttered swear word at a stubborn piece or stupid joke goes by without a lot of comment. But a torrent of bad language without an extreme cause, or tacky poliltically incorrect statements or behavior will get you noticed, and not in a good way. Stuff that might be lawsuit fodder is frowned upon. And if some new guy comes in and flirts with most of the guys I know, they'll deck him. A new girl? They'd avoid her like the plague, figuring she's trouble. I know there are looser environments than where I hang out now. I used to work in a lot of them. But I have really only seen the "anything goes" kind of behavior you describe as the universal norm in bar and concert type environments, sometimes a big arena or stadium event. But it may be more normal than I know, because, you know, I haven't been everywhere . . . June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070224210928.00c99188 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:09:28 From: CB Subject: re: "Techie" >the use of the >word "techie" does tend to create or >reinforce stereotypes that limit student involvement. There are a lot of >creative young people who >do not see themselves (or wish to be seen by their peers) as technically >oriented, with all that carries with it This is a cultural issue, and has far greater consequences. I'm not encourageing the use of the term, in either a derogatory or familiar context, I'm just suggesting that if you let it light your fuse, you either; A. give the person using it as a a derogatorey the reaction that they were looking for, or; B. snapping at someone that used it as a familiar in an attempt to show camraderie. Neither is actually that good. If you don't like the term, don't use it. If someone else uses it, consider their intent, and respond to that. Language is a really clumsy means of communications to start with, English being one of the least effective of those! Don't even gert me started on e-mailing the English language... If the students start to use the term, bring it up, have a discussion about it. Ask if those using it think it's derogatory. Ask you technical kids how they feel about it. Start a dialog. Either that, or start a list of words that aren't up to current hip standards and publish it where the kids can see it so they know exactly which buttons to push when. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070224211200.00c99188 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:12:00 From: CB Subject: RE: RE: Hedda Techie? > many of my students take the moniker >"techie" as a source of pride. Ok, everyone together: Words have the power that you give them. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:16:10 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: First Gig. At 2:22 AM +0000 2/25/07, Clive Mitchell wrote: >> Having eaten Scottish cooking, I can understand why. > > So there's something wrong with suet, oats and giblets > served in a distended bladder is there? No, haggis is yummy. The other stuff you eat, however... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Some say the glass is half empty. Some say the glass is half full. I say the glass is too big. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070224212146.00c99188 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:21:46 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: Hedda Techie? >When "you" say something to me, it is "I" who determines what it means. Out of curiosity, how do you justify when your determination and the speakers intentions are completely at odds with one another? If a person says she wants to give you a smack, and you decide that she has decided to assault you physically, but her intentions were to assault you, er... romantically, do you still punch her in the face? Words have the power that you give them, but try to give them the power that was intended. Being misunderstood is an almost daily occurance for me, so I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt, try to look at things from their perspective, and initially try to believe the best of all of them. Yup, being dissappointed is an almost daily occurence for me as well, but I couldn't imagine any other approach. Not without slitting my wrists, anyway. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070224213456.00c99188 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:34:56 From: CB Subject: Re: "Techie" >It is really class discrimination. "Techie" covers anything from SM and LD down. It implies that any one who is associated with the mechanics of a show is of a lower grade than those who appear in it. > No, it isn't. It's like the DP on the last film I worked on calling me 'Chrissie'. Normally, that would bug me. This guy is an Italian cat that reminds me of Roberto Benigni, and says it as if I were his son, or a nephew. There was also a cute girl that used to call me 'Chrissie' all the time. Somehow, I didn't mind that too much, either. We call Mr. Sapsis 'Unka Bill' with the exact same intentions that some folk call theatre technicians 'techie'. And I'll give you a hint, it ain't to imply that he "is of a lower grade". And it certainly is *not* class discrimination. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:40:09 GMT Subject: Re: "Techie" Message-Id: <20070224.204038.8266.1306227 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> If you got called 'Your Honor' 100+ times a day by insincere lawyers, = you would soon get tired of it. There is no indication that they = would use that title if they were not required to do so. The novelty = of this method of address wears off fast, I assure you. Being = addressed as 'techie' by sincere persons would be much preferable. /s/ Richard __________________________ This is a cultural issue, and has far greater consequences. I'm not encourageing the use of the term, in either a derogatory or familiar context, I'm just suggesting that if you let it light your fuse, you either; A. give the person using it as a a derogatorey the reaction = that they were looking for, or; B. snapping at someone that used it = as afamiliar in an attempt to show camraderie. Neither is actually = that good. If you don't like the term, don't use it. If someone else = uses it, consider their intent, and respond to that. Language is a = really clumsy means of communications to start with, English being = one of the least effective of those! = Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:34:04 EST Subject: Re: "Techie" ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: << If you got called 'Your Honor' 100+ times a day by insincere lawyers, you would soon get tired of it. >> Sounds like a perfect definition of "contempt of court" IMHO. ;) Kristi

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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <80b44ce00702242207u34b70c10ie650e181f065eb03 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:07:54 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Metamorphoses Pool heating My first message was bounced I think so forgive me if this is a repeat... I added some stuff besides. <> ? Paul is from the Latin meaning "little". I am but a simple stagehand... wandering vagabond shaman ninja shape-shifter philosopher warrior priest. I haven't worked in your venue (Hawaii Theater) in a while, but ask around... quite a few people will actually acknowledge knowing me. These days I work mostly in television, movies, and commercials. (Gotta pay the bills.) I was the pre-eminent scenic designer in Hawaii for about 10 years. It was at the Hawaii Theater where I dressed down by a rather arrogant and equally ignorant technician/rep who was baby sitting the installation. He took me to task for attempting to trim a 1x3 piece of bracing on the stage. It was his contention that all carpentry should be done in the shop before the a set is loaded into a theater... and he meant ALL carpentry... and not just for this theater, for all theaters. Obviously he had not done a lot of set installs. He wouldn't explain "why" cutting wood was prohibited, but was adamant in enforcing the ban, and took to watching me work rather too closely for my comfort. I simply don't like someone standing over me and watching from about 4' - 6'. I can work that way, but eventually I will say something to the person watching to make them stop. As a designer, I see a theater as a machine for mounting a show. The less workable and flexible the venue is, the less I like to design for it. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1449f50a0702242209v6c8a4009j21ae72353140c70b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:09:39 -0800 From: "Brooke Carlson" Subject: Re: First Gig. In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/24/07, Rigger wrote: > No, haggis is yummy. The other stuff you eat, however... It is, though oddly enough, it tastes better with turnips... Why is that? -- Brooke Carlson Automation Carpenter Lion King - Cheetah Tour ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1055.205.215.253.33.1172388926.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:35:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: "Techie" From: "Bill Nelson" >> There are actors that don't even think about the matter. They concentrate on doing >> what they are supposed to do and expect the other actors and techs to do their >> jobs as well. This is where we all belong. > > Well, I agree we should concentrate on what we are supposed to do, and > expect all other artisans (actors, technicians, and the host of other > people who contribute [e.g. administrators]) to do their jobs. But we > also can, and should, appreciate the fine work performed by all the > artisans involved in the show. Certainly. I don't think I implied otherwise. Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "Stage Lighting for Students" web site Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c758bd$aa8da020$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jeffrey E. Salzberg, Lighting Designer http://www.jeffsalzberg.com 201/379-3138 (Home) 917/238-7430 (Cell) jeffsalzberg (Skype) weblog: http://www.jeffsalzberg.com/blog.htm > Since then there have since been many times that=20 > I wished the north american fresnel system could be a little=20 > sharper-edged. I can see using them instead of Fresnels, but my impression is that the Europeans use them in situations in which we would use ellipsoidals, and that's what I don't understand. The variable field size is an = advantage, I suppose, but one that's negated simply by calculating the photometrics = and using the appropriate focal length ERS or, as I'm sure Frank will say, = using a zoom. The lower cost is another advantage, but I'd suspect that's countered by = the need to use more fixtures due to lower efficiency, yes? > I would=20 > recommend adding PC's, svobadas, and several other fixtures=20 I've already added the PC (just because I don't agree with it doesn't = negate its educational value). What's a svoboda, and which other fixtures = would you recommend? > Hth, It does, thanks. ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "Techie" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c758be$35a0a720$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I strongly believe that this detestation you feel towards > the term "Techie" is more a personal bias on your part than > it is a hidden agenda on the part of those that use the term. ...And yet you have no more reason to make assumptions about my motivations and personal biases than I do about their agendas, hidden or otherwise. At least one person I know who uses the word frequently feels compelled to compliment me on the set...even though she knows I'm the lighting designer. To her, it's all just "tech". ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1195.205.215.253.33.1172397752.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:02:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: First Gig From: "Bill Nelson" > Everybody starts out as a newbie, and newbies are going to make > mistakes. So what? We are ALL newbies on any new technology we've not > seen before, and THAT happens often enough in this biz. Training the new > folks is just part of the gig. Treating newbies like people will turn > them into useful hands faster than anything else I've found. I treat everyone with whom I work as people AND with respect. I am quite willing to train a person. Matter of fact, it is sometimes the most enjoyable part of an otherwise straightforward in/out. I also expect that there will be someone willing to train me, in situations where I am lacking in knowledge and/or experience. But if the person is not willing to use their heads to constantly think about (and double check) what they are doing, they are a hazard - and not only to themselves. Those are the people that I do not want on my crews. Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1157 ******************************