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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42894228; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:02:48 -0800 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_COMSTAR,PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,PRXY_USER_DROP_SINO, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_QF,TW_SQ autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1159 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:02:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1159 1. Re: "Techie" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by "Frank E. Merrill" 3. Plyron by "Bill Conner" 4. CobraNet? by Rigger 5. Re: "Techie" by "Adriane Bennett" 6. Laser tagging by Andrew Vance 7. Re: "Techie" by Rigger 8. Re: Laser tagging by Ian Schmidt 9. Re: Props question by "RD" 10. Re: "Techie" by "Chris Rovers" 11. Re: Props question by "RD" 12. Re: First Gig by CB 13. Re: CobraNet? by Charlie Richmond 14. Re: new pyro product (price) by "Nathan Kahn" 15. Re: new pyro product (price) by Jerry Durand 16. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Clive Mitchell 17. Re: Laser tagging by Clive Mitchell 18. Emphasis Show Files by "Klyph Stanford" 19. Re: Emphasis Show Files by Steve Shelley 20. Re: First Gig by 21. Re: Modular connectors by 22. Re: Production Company by CB 23. Re: First Gig by CB 24. Re: First Gig. by 25. Haggis & Kilts & Whisky (was:RE: First Gig) by CB 26. Re: "Techie" by CB 27. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by "Steven Santos" 28. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Charlie Richmond 29. Re: "Techie" by Myself 30. Re: Plyron by "Jason Salvatori" 31. Re: First Gig. by 32. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by 33. Re: Emphasis Show Files by "Klyph Stanford" 34. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by 35. Re: Emphasis Show Files by Steve Shelley 36. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Clive Mitchell 37. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Clive Mitchell 38. Re: new pyro product (price) by Clive Mitchell 39. Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. by Clive Mitchell 40. Re: Haggis & Kilts & Whisky (was:RE: First Gig) by Clive Mitchell 41. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by "Don Taco" 42. Re: "Techie" by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 43. Re: First Gig by Rigger 44. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by Rigger 45. Re: "Techie" by Charlie Richmond 46. Re: Techie by June Abernathy 47. Re: Techie by Herrick Goldman 48. Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "Techie" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:16:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c75997$97f925d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > So would "techers" be better? Nah, I'd just assume it was a typical American kollidj kid, unable to spell "teacher". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:45:08 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <883094530.20070226104508 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Saturday, February 24, 2007, Carla wrote: > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler....Can we > replace the bell cord with aircraft cable?...advice and experiences > would be helpful I don't recall ever installing a curtain machine that was not manufactured by Automatic Devices Company, but I've dealt with lots of various machines by ADC and others. The ADC continuous helix drum is grooved for 3/16" rope and I use a jacketed 1/8" galvanized aircraft cable whose jacket is some modern chemical miracle (Nylon?) that presents a finished outside diameter of 3/16". I have used woven-braid jacketed cable occasionally but I prefer the aforementioned miracle jacket because IF the jacket gets destroyed it doesn't bunch up and goober up the pullies the way the fiber woven jacket does upon ITS failure. I was called out Friday afternoon to a church upon the frantic phone call that included "The motorized curtain won't move!" and thoughtfully took my camera along. You've GOT to see the pics, because you WON'T believe how they screwed up what was a perfectly fine curtain machine installation the last time I left the customer. Watch this space for pics as soon as I can get them posted. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00cb01c759c3$17d04b50$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Plyron Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:28:01 -0600 On painting, I believe that most hardboard manufacturers all recommend a first prime coat using an alkyd base primer. It reduces edge swelling and fuzz. Since some would consider this a sacrificial floor covering, I'm curious to know if you ordered extra sheets for attic stock and how many percentage wise or whatever. Screwed or nailed to sub-floor? Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:30:31 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: CobraNet? Calling all Soundinistas... Anyone here hip to the ways of CobraNet, for distributing digital audio via Ethernet networks (if I understand the protocol correctly)? Can ya turn a brother on to any sort of "CobraNet For Dummies" guide? GIA, -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45E2BFE4.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:09:24 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: "Techie" References:

In-Reply-To: >>> Rigger 2/25/2007 7:37 PM >>> >How'bout "stagehand." Nothing wrong with that, is there? But then we might be called "handies". I always liked the film term "grip". True story- an actor I was working with also did a lot of TV/film work. One day during Tech Rehearsals, he was in need of fixing an issue with the set and said, "Can I get a grip here?". Obvious replies of "I don't know. Can you?", etc. followed. All in good nature, of course. :) Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <88339C25-F58A-405F-945B-308F9C686639 [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Laser tagging Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:21:24 -0500 http://graffitiresearchlab.com/?page_id=76#video or http://tinyurl.com/3c2dy9 Using laser pointers to tag buildings. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:09:52 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: "Techie" At 11:09 AM -0600 2/26/07, Adriane Bennett wrote: >>How'bout "stagehand." Nothing wrong with that, is there? > >But then we might be called "handies". Not likely... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "You thought you were there to guide me; You were only in my way. You're wrong if you think that I'll be Just like you." -- Three Days Grace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:45:49 -0500 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: Laser tagging In-reply-to: Message-id: <45E32ADD.7020008 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: Very Cool site. Lots of neat little toys. I'm gonna have to make some LED Throwies for the Center here. Ian Andrew Vance wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/3c2dy9 > > Using laser pointers to tag buildings. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Andrew Vance > Lighting Designer > atvanceld [at] gmail.com -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Props question Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: <019d01c759db$e6aebe30$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Better solution than blades. Good. Doom Sleight of hand always works better, he said. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Breton Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:45 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Props question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >We originally planned >to use retractable blades, but they were too large and looked silly. >The girls actually stab the boys, so it needs to be something safe - >any suggestions from out there in the list? Thanks all! I wouldn't use retractable blades: too dangerous, oftentimes more so than regular blades. How about disposable wine glasses -- you know, the kind with removable bases? You could do something to dress them up so they look more lethal. The actresses should hold them so the stem of the glass is safely held in their hands; basically, they hit the actors with the meaty part of their fists while holding the glass. Actors' faces sell the actual deaths. _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.a spx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:25:52 -0500 From: "Chris Rovers" Subject: Re: "Techie" In-Reply-To: References:

On 2/26/07, Rigger wrote: > At 11:09 AM -0600 2/26/07, Adriane Bennett wrote: > >>How'bout "stagehand." Nothing wrong with that, is there? > > > >But then we might be called "handies". > > Not likely... Well, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handie... On a serious note, I think a lot depends on the tone and the person saying it. I'm not a professional stagehand (which might make a difference), but I cheerfully accept being called a computer geek from most people (which is my paying gig). But again, it is the tone. Early in doing set building, I had a very egotistical (and untalented) actor look down his nose at me. I really wanted to point out that I was the one that built the railing around the 5' platform that he (and only he) spent a large part of the play leaning against and that he had better hope that I was smarter and more capable then he obviously thought I was. Err. Rambling now. I guess it comes down to encouraging those people in charge of molding young minds to teach more about how the "other half" work, what they do, and how to treat them with respect. And part of that, I guess, defaults to calling people by their correct title, unless and until you know them and find out what they want to be called... -cdr ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Props question Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01a501c759db$fc4c7ed0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Please, do not use retractable blades ....always the potential for malfunction and nasty apertures in the person who is not so retractable.Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:55 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Props question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > I wouldn't use retractable blades: too dangerous, oftentimes more so than > regular blades. Thank you! Thank you! Someone who agrees with me on this point (pun intended)! Woot! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070226122735.00cc1e68 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:27:35 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: First Gig > It seems to me that statements like "Swearing is a normal part of >backstage vocabulary" demeans the profession Swearing has a traditiopn and a history backstage. It arrived at the same time that riggers did. Riggers and the rest of folk that flew scenery, 'descended' from those that already had the skills to raise an lower large sheets of soft goods efficiently and quickly. They swore like sailors. Prolly 'caue they were sailors. Anyhoo, take it with a grain of salt. I still whistle backstage, and will probably continue till there are riggers working the house that I'm in that know which rag to move how on which whistle. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: CobraNet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Rigger wrote: > Anyone here hip to the ways of CobraNet, for distributing digital audio via > Ethernet networks (if I understand the protocol correctly)? > > Can ya turn a brother on to any sort of "CobraNet For Dummies" guide? Maybe. We do it - there are two popluar commercial solutions: CobraNet and EtherSound and are licensed for both. The main sites for them are: http://www.cobranet.info/en/support/cobranet/ http://ethersound-new.tatnet.com/home/index.php EtherSound is taking over. Feel free to contact me offline for more info! Cheers, Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270702261312n22e76827o262375e331e3091 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:12:14 -0500 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) In-Reply-To: References:

> >Regarding your keyswitch question, my opinion is that so long as it > >complies with NFPA1126 it's fine. Although your idea of a digital > >passcode to be entered is not bad and probably wouldn't significantly > >increase the cost to mfg. > > I was just reading NFPA 1123, section 9.2.6... hand held devices do > NOT need a key. So, I'll offer a mechanical key for those who think > it's needed, the rest will go without a key. Great. Not sure what Doom meant by "We at NFPA 1126 shall look at it." That's not necessary at all. A manufacturer can easily read the document to determine if their equipment complies; you don't need the authors of the document to answer that question for you. Nathan -- Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutionsusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:20:28 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070226212028.63EC620BA2C [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 01:12 PM 2/26/2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: Not sure what Doom meant by "We at NFPA 1126 shall look at it." >That's not necessary at all. A manufacturer can easily read the >document to determine if their equipment complies; you don't need the >authors of the document to answer that question for you. Except for opinions on what counts as "similar". My original question was would a digital passcode qualify as a "key or similar". Several people have told me they wouldn't use anything that didn't cut battery power, short the wires, be impossible to hack/pick, and certified for nuclear devices. Ok, I might have exaggerated a bit but did have people point out accidents with military bombs. Other people don't care or don't want any safety besides two switches. They're like me, the wires aren't connected to the panel until AFTER the area is clear. After you test, you unhook the wires until just before showtime. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:33:32 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Frank E. Merrill writes >You've GOT to see the pics, because you WON'T believe how they screwed >up what was a perfectly fine curtain machine installation the last time >I left the customer. Oh trust me. I CAN believe how much they screwed it up. They only need to screw it up a little bit then press a button and the rest screws up automatically. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:55:03 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Laser tagging References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Ian Schmidt writes >Very Cool site. Lots of neat little toys. I'm gonna have to make some >LED Throwies for the Center here. You can buy throwie kits. Bit wasteful really. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: Emphasis Show Files Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c759f3$9bcb37a0$7400a8c0 [at] Klyph1> Hey folks, I have a bit of a quirk that I am wondering if anyone else has = experienced. I am using Expression with Emphasis, and when I tried to switch show = files this afternoon, the show patch did not follow along. Has anyone else experienced this? I have been looking through the manual, but have so far had no luck. TIA Klyph Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net =A0 "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat =A0 =A0 =A0 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:27:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Emphasis Show Files From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: David fox Etc tech support 800.688.4116 On 2/26/07 5:15 PM, "Klyph Stanford" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hey folks, >=20 > I have a bit of a quirk that I am wondering if anyone else has experience= d. > I am using Expression with Emphasis, and when I tried to switch show file= s > this afternoon, the show patch did not follow along. >=20 > Has anyone else experienced this? >=20 > I have been looking through the manual, but have so far had no luck. >=20 > TIA >=20 > Klyph >=20 > Klyph Stanford > 336.575.7235 > www.klyph-stanford-designs.net > =A0 > "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." > Georges Seurat > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 >=20 >=20 --=20 Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: First Gig Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:06:16 +0000 Message-Id: <20070226230616.LZKN219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Bruce Purdy > Date: 2007/02/24 Sat AM 12:12:06 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: First Gig > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I disagree that "most cable" should be coiled > > over/under. This is a very specific technique that can > > be beneficial for small cables like Mike cables and > > data cables, keeping them from retaining the "memory" > > of a coil, and enabling them to feed out easier and > > lie flat once they do. > > Speaking only for myself, I always over / under wrap everything the > theatre or I own. It's become such a habit, and second nature that I don't > even think about it. > > Power cables seem to lay flatter when I throw them out after being > over/under wrapped, whereas over/over wrapped cables sometimes keep a > certain "Corkscrew spiral" in them. I might be wrong about this- please > correct me if I am - but if the cable is too long and some of it is left > coiled, I believe over/under wrapping combats induction heating in the same > way as figure 8 does. The important thing is that they should uncoil without any tendency to kink. I'm blessed if I know how to describe what I do, in your way, but it seems to work. I don't really see that induction heating is a potential problem on a loose coil of about three feet circumference, which is usually get either way. The inductance will be very small. Winding the cable tightly on a drum of small diameter is another problem, plut the fact that heat dissipation will be more difficult. The 13A extension drum is derated to 6A when not fully unwound. PS. Curly cables are one of the worst inventions around. You find them on telephone handsets, hair dryers, and headphones. While their stretchability is handy, After some time, you will find them twisted against the curl, which is a PITA. Before it failed, the cable on my wife's hair dryer had lost all its curl, and looked like nothing so much as a piece of straight cable which had been tied in knots! Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Modular connectors Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:18:48 +0000 Message-Id: <20070226231848.MDBM219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Brooke Carlson" > Date: 2007/02/24 Sat AM 03:03:36 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Modular connectors > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know these as Anderson connectors, and also order them from McMaster > (the big yellow book is my friend). It does take a bit of a wiggle on > the crimped wire to get them seated, but I've never had any real > trouble with them. Couple of quick, if possibly obvious, questions: > > Are you making sure that the hump on the blade is correctly oriented? > > Are you using the tool designed for crimping these connectors, or a generic one? > A third question. Some such connectors prefer a special tool for inserting them, and demand one for extracting them when you have put them in the wrong place. Unfortunately, these are usually the best and most reliable ones. Pushing them in by wiggling the wire puts the crimp under stresses it was not designed to take. I advise against this technique. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070226162137.00cbad60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:21:37 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: Production Company >>> I have served as the incorporating attorney or incorporator for 185 >>> live theatres in 38 States. >>How many dead theatres have you incorporated? > I would certainly consider the offer and would not reject it outright. What's the difference between a hooker and a lawyer? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070226162609.00cbad60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:26:09 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: First Gig >It is, though oddly enough, it tastes better with turnips... The fact that you're actually eating turnips takes your mind off of the fact that you're eating spare animal parts, and not necessarily the best ones. 'S'how it worked for me, anyhow. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: First Gig. Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:41:56 +0000 Message-Id: <20070226234156.NFYA29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: joreth [at] techie.com > Date: 2007/02/24 Sat AM 04:41:55 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: First Gig. > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > More profanity, just for the sake of saying it... I like profanity, > > don't get me wrong. I often talk like a sailor. Funny though, when you > > post it to a list, or on a website, it seems rude. > > I cuss. I'm not alone. That's the whole point of the Language section. Swearing is a normal part of my vocabulary and a normal part of the backstage vocabularly ... and that goes from coast to coast in all venues and styles of entertainment. I am already toning it down for email. When I cuss AT you, then you'll know I'm being rude. There are a lot of nuances. Calling someone who has just pulled a bonehead stunt a "Silly b*****!" face to face, is one thing: in a written document, even e-mail, it is different. There, the exact form of words is important. I have had more problems with, let us say, disapproving strongly with someone's ideas in writing, with no cuss words, than I ever have with calling him names, face to face. You can express so much more than you can in cold print, without being offensive. Look at the archives! I have had major disputes in print which could have ben no more than a friendly discussion over a beer. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070226164141.00cbad60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:41:41 From: CB Subject: Haggis & Kilts & Whisky (was:RE: First Gig) >I always wear my kilt, as is noticeable if one looks for Dr. doom on the >internet. Regimental too. If it's not regimental, dear Doom, it's a skirt. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070226164402.00cbad60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:44:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: "Techie" >How'bout "stagehand." Nothing wrong with that, is there? There might be, if you happen to be an over-sensitive designer. I might be put off if one of the muckety-mucks referred to me as a stagehand when I was designing. For some reason, 'techie' would still be alright. I dunno, context and intention would play so much more a part than the actual words... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: On the subject of banning incadesents, how does this change things? http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/02/26/1916211.shtml _____ Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:03:48 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Steven Santos wrote: > On the subject of banning incadesents, how does this change things? > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/02/26/1916211.shtml --GE Announces Advancement In Incandescent Technology GE Consumer and Industrial's Lighting division today announced advancements to the light bulb invented by GE's founder, Thomas Edison, that potentially will elevate the energy efficiency of this 125-year-old technology to levels comparable to compact fluorescent lamps (CFL), delivering significant environmental benefits... To view the full article go to: http://ct.pbinews.com/rd/cts?d=244-9598-98-28571-85663-466748-0-0-0-1 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90702261604r1e10e595p555b41a34533404e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:04:25 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: "Techie" In-Reply-To: References: On 2/24/07, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > If you got called 'Your Honor' 100+ times a day by insincere lawyers, > you would soon get tired of it. There is no indication that they > would use that title if they were not required to do so. The novelty > of this method of address wears off fast, I assure you. Being > addressed as 'techie' by sincere persons would be much preferable. I must say that whenever I have had to use the term "Your Honor" I was, indeed, 100% sincere! Never did try out "You can't do that" however... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780702261619h6726c2c7tf9bedf84dddea7ca [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:19:16 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Plyron In-Reply-To: References: > Since some would consider this a sacrificial floor covering, I'm curious to > know if you ordered extra sheets for attic stock and how many percentage > wise or whatever. > > Screwed or nailed to sub-floor? We have about a dozen spare sheets, for about a 2500sqft stage. Also, plyron is a double-sided sheet, so every sheet can be pulled up and flipped, then put back down. It is screwed down to the subfloor. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: First Gig. Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 0:31:31 +0000 Message-Id: <20070227003131.NOMN29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: MissWisc [at] aol.com > Date: 2007/02/24 Sat AM 06:17:05 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: First Gig. > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > joreth [at] techie.com writes: > << Swearing is [...] a normal part of the backstage vocabularly ... and > that goes from coast to coast in all venues and styles of entertainment. >> > > You are wrong. > > Theatre people tend to be far more tolerant than folks in other fields. They > won't say "what an idiot - can't get through a sentence without swearing" > but they are thinking that while mentally noting to never hire you, recommend > you, or work with you again. You'd be fired on the spot at many venues; > counseled to watch your mouth at most others. It's RARELY appropriate. Period. > I think this is right. If you pull a bonehead stunt, and your boss tells you that you have, in no uncertain terms, you don't complain. Face to face. It's ephemeral, and he may buy you a beer later. When you express a similar opinion in cold, thought out, words on paper, or at least printable, That is different. An instance: when we did a major update project, we had appointed a project manage for a part of the job with no engineering knowledge or experience. I have a lot of both, and pointed out his errors in the bar one night. I got back, "I hear what you say", with the unspoken proviso, "and I shall ignore it". Incensed, I e-mailed him my thoughts, and until I had apologised to him he refused to speak to me. I did, for the good of the whole project: what he was doing was better than nothing, albeit not much. My opinion has not changed: he saddled us with an inferior communications system. But better than none. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 0:41:38 +0000 Message-Id: <20070227004138.MPLA26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" > Date: 2007/02/24 Sat PM 04:52:45 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello list denizens - > > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell > cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass > through the carriers. BELL CORD? > > This is motorized only - never hand pulled. > > > Thanks in advance > > Carla > > "You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. > Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman: Stuff > you pay good money for in later life." ---Emo Philips > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" References:

Subject: RE: Emphasis Show Files Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c75a08$8174c460$7400a8c0 [at] Klyph1> In-Reply-To: Problem solved. =20 Off to club my part time board op like a baby seal... Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net =20 "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve Shelley Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:27 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Emphasis Show Files For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- David fox Etc tech support 800.688.4116 On 2/26/07 5:15 PM, "Klyph Stanford" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hey folks, >=20 > I have a bit of a quirk that I am wondering if anyone else has experienced. > I am using Expression with Emphasis, and when I tried to switch show = files > this afternoon, the show patch did not follow along. >=20 > Has anyone else experienced this? >=20 > I have been looking through the manual, but have so far had no luck. >=20 > TIA >=20 > Klyph >=20 > Klyph Stanford > 336.575.7235 > www.klyph-stanford-designs.net > =A0 > "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." > Georges Seurat > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 >=20 >=20 --=20 Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 0:49:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070227004921.NQIX29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Rigger > Date: 2007/02/24 Sat PM 05:54:45 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 8:52 AM -0800 2/24/07, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > > > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell > > cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass through > > the carriers. > > This is motorized only - never hand pulled. > > Can we replace the bell cord with aircraft cable? > > > Yes, but you'll need to replace the winch capstain, and possibly all > the other wheels the line works through, as well. Sheaves and > capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire > rope are two completely different animals. I don't believe this post. Bell cord is for transmitting electricity; aircraft cable is for transmitting loads. Just where do the two interface? Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:05:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Emphasis Show Files From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: What was the problem? Or solution? Just operator error? shelley On 2/26/07 7:44 PM, "Klyph Stanford" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Problem solved. =20 >=20 > Off to club my part time board op like a baby seal... >=20 > Klyph Stanford > 336.575.7235 > www.klyph-stanford-designs.net > =20 > "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." > Georges Seurat > =20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve > Shelley > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:27 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Emphasis Show Files >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > David fox > Etc tech support > 800.688.4116 >=20 >=20 > On 2/26/07 5:15 PM, "Klyph Stanford" > wrote: >=20 >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Hey folks, >>=20 >> I have a bit of a quirk that I am wondering if anyone else has > experienced. >> I am using Expression with Emphasis, and when I tried to switch show fil= es >> this afternoon, the show patch did not follow along. >>=20 >> Has anyone else experienced this? >>=20 >> I have been looking through the manual, but have so far had no luck. >>=20 >> TIA >>=20 >> Klyph >>=20 >> Klyph Stanford >> 336.575.7235 >> www.klyph-stanford-designs.net >> =A0 >> "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." >> Georges Seurat >> =A0 >> =A0 >> =A0 >>=20 >>=20 --=20 Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:24:21 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? References: In-Reply-To: In message , frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com writes >> we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell >> cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass >> through the carriers. > >BELL CORD? Yeah. 2-core figure eight cable as normally used for wiring doorbells. It's commonly used as an alternative to sash for roping curtain tracks. I think it's popularity stems from the fact that there's always a backup wire if one breaks, and you can also use it to wire the motor and limit switches. -- Billy Spark. Stage Electropower. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:26:54 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? References: In-Reply-To: In message , frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com writes >I don't believe this post. Bell cord is for transmitting electricity; >aircraft cable is for transmitting loads. Just where do the two >interface? It depends on the country. In the UK we use terminal block and in the USA they use a screwit. -- Tods Hobnobs Theatrical biscuit suppliers to the Queen. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2e10bXCZc44FFwo+ [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:19:21 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: new pyro product (price) References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jerry Durand writes >Other people don't care or don't want any safety besides two switches. >They're like me, the wires aren't connected to the panel until AFTER >the area is clear. After you test, you unhook the wires until just >before showtime. I still think that one of the safest disarming systems is to pick the unit up and stuff it in the cargo pocket of your pants while loading the pyro. That way there simply isn't an interlock to bypass. I took a bit of flack for the design on my website due to my use of a 1/4" jack as the connection between the controller and pod. It's right enough. It could inadvertently be stuck into a speaker loop through or amplifier and it wouldn't be hard for an amplifier to pump an amp down the wire. So what utterly common connector could be used as an interface connector without risk of high enough current to blow an electric match? What about the humble phone connector? It's normally used with fairly high impedance sources. A possible option for termination of the leads might be the pyro biased speaker connector on a small PCB with a common connector on the other side. That way you could terminate the wires then just plug the module in when ready. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:29:26 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Banning Incandescent Light bulbs. References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Steven Santos writes >On the subject of banning incadesents, how does this change things? > >http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/02/26/1916211.shtml The theory involves intricate filaments that are styled such that only visible energy can escape. This technology has been going on for a while. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3PlkfDFYo44FFwpb [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:32:08 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Haggis & Kilts & Whisky (was:RE: First Gig) References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >>I always wear my kilt, as is noticeable if one looks for Dr. doom on the >>internet. Regimental too. > >If it's not regimental, dear Doom, it's a skirt. I hope he wears it correctly. (No panties.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <026801c75a19$633b2050$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:43:33 -0800 >> >> > we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell >> > cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass >> > through >> > the carriers. >> > This is motorized only - never hand pulled. >> > Can we replace the bell cord with aircraft cable? >> >> >> Yes, but you'll need to replace the winch capstain, and possibly all >> the other wheels the line works through, as well. Sheaves and >> capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire >> rope are two completely different animals. > > I don't believe this post. Bell cord is for transmitting electricity; > aircraft cable is for transmitting loads. Just where do the two interface? > > Frank Wood Since it is clear, from the post, that fibre rope is being compared to wire rope, I am curious how that fiber rope transmits much electricity. ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: "Techie" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c75a19$cf34ba50$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > I might be put off if one of the muckety-mucks > referred to me as a stagehand when I was designing. I'm always flattered...although I usually hasten to protest that I'm not worthy.... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:53:37 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: First Gig At 4:26 PM -0500 2/26/07, CB wrote: >The fact that you're actually eating turnips takes your mind off of the >fact that you're eating spare animal parts, and not necessarily the best >ones. 'S'how it worked for me, anyhow. Do you eat turnips with hot dogs, Chris? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net The reason they call it "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe in it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:58:16 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? At 6:43 PM -0800 2/26/07, Don Taco wrote: >> I don't believe this post. Bell cord is for transmitting electricity; >> aircraft cable is for transmitting loads. Just where do the two interface? > > Since it is clear, from the post, that fibre rope is being compared to > wire rope, I am curious how that fiber rope transmits much electricity. Maybe it's nylon fibre rope and is being rubbed against a cat, generating static electricity? -- -D.Vick rigger [at] tds.net "They say travel broadens the mind... So I went over the falls in a barrel." --Thos. Dolby, "I Live In A Suitcase" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: "Techie" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Rigger wrote: >> But then we might be called "handies". > > Not likely... 'handy' as a noun means mobile/cell phone in German... C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Techie Message-ID: <510783.45718.qm [at] web34508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At 1:27 PM -0500 2/25/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: >> The same people would never dream of referring >> to "acties" or "singies". > >> So would "techers" be better? Dave Vick responded: > How'bout "stagehand." Nothing wrong with that, is > there? Hear Hear! I prefer Stagehand. I prefer it to technician, even. Stage Crew is OK. But Techie? No, hate it. Agree with the crowd that think it's demeaning, and even if the speaker doesn't intend it, I don't care to have the term perpetuated. However, I do not correct civilians. I do, gently, tell non-civilians, particularly any that I am going to be working with on a regular basis, that I and a lot of other people consider that term kind of juvenile, and that I prefer "stagehand" or "technician". Squint, Sparky, all those? Banter. From people I know and can respond to in kind. Not something that some pompous House Manager is going to refer to me as without me frowning, any more than the word "techie". June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:20:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Techie From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <763631.1172546814584.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Do you suppose plumbers and sanitation workers refer to us as civilians? I worked EMS and everyone else was a civilian as well...or a Gomer or a Skell...but that was Hartford in the 90's. Aren't civilians anyone not in the armed services or the police force? People are gonna call you any number of things either on purpose or through ignorance. Prove them wrong and make them understand you are a skilled expert at what you do. Then they'll respect you regardless of what they call you. On 2/26/07 10:23 PM, "June Abernathy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > I do not correct civilians. I do, gently, > tell non-civilians, particularly any that I am going > to be working with on a regular basis, that I and a > lot of other people consider that term kind of > juvenile, and that I prefer "stagehand" or > "technician". -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:24:43 -0800 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? In-reply-to: Message-id: <45E3EACB.7020400 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> From: Rigger >> Date: 2007/02/24 Sat PM 05:54:45 GMT >> To: "Stagecraft" >> Subject: Re: Bell Cord or Aircraft Cable for traveler? >> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> At 8:52 AM -0800 2/24/07, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: >> >> >>> we need to replace the rope on a motorized traveler. The existing bell >>> cord's jacket has frayed to the point that it will no longer pass through >>> the carriers. >>> This is motorized only - never hand pulled. >>> Can we replace the bell cord with aircraft cable? >>> >> Yes, but you'll need to replace the winch capstain, and possibly all >> the other wheels the line works through, as well. Sheaves and >> capstains made for fibre rope and sheaves & capstains made for wire >> rope are two completely different animals. >> > > I don't believe this post. Bell cord is for transmitting electricity; aircraft cable is for transmitting loads. Just where do the two interface? > > > > > Frank Wood > > ----------------------------------------- > Hello Frank - Difference in terminology . . . In the states, 'bell wire' is the two conductor unjacketed twisted pair of solid wires that is used to connect doorbells and such. 'Bell cord' is a small diameter multi-strand non-electric cable (aircraft cable) with a braided fabric jacket as described in other posts on this thread. We're not consistent with our nomenclature - just to further confuse the issue, 'lamp cord' here is 2 conductor stranded figure 8 cable for supplying power to household lamps. - also known as 'zip cord' Don't get me started on "Litz wire" :) Carla ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1159 ******************************