Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #3 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 05:07:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #3 1. Problem with list software by Jerry Durand 2. Electrician needed chicago and Fla by Herrick 3. Les Mis/ Opera spots by Herrick 4. Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots by Rigger 5. List skipping messages? by "Sarah Clausen" 6. Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots by "Fitch, Tracy" 7. Re: Problem with list software by Noah Price 8. Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots by "Scott C. Parker" 9. Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots by Richard Niederberg 10. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Patrick McCreary 11. Re: joining foam by "Randy Whitcomb" 12. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Tony Miller 13. Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots by Herrick 14. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Davy Davis 15. Re: stripping address and server info by Loren Schreiber 16. Re: Cell phone jamming by Loren Schreiber 17. Re: List skipping messages? by Jerry Durand 18. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by "Tony Deeming" 19. Re: Boyd's thoughts on lists by Boyd Ostroff 20. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Richard Niederberg 21. Re: Electrician needed chicago and Fla by "Rachael Saltzman" 22. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by "John Grimshaw" 23. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by "Alf Sauve" 24. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Rigger 25. Re: stripping address and server info by Noah Price 26. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by "Nimm, Christopher Kehoe" 27. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Jerry Durand 28. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Herrick 29. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Richard Niederberg 30. Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots by William McLachlan 31. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Jeff Forbes 32. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by "Tony Deeming" 33. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Tony Miller 34. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Rigger 35. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by "Tony Deeming" 36. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by Rigger 37. Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040510140242.00b186d0 [at] localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:05:19 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Problem with list software In-Reply-To: References:

I just noticed in the headers on at least one message, the server has a problem. There are TWO reply-to lines in the headers, not good at all. The server should/must delete any excess headers that a person sends. Headers from message: Delivered-To: interstellar.com-jdurand [at] interstellar.com X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" X-Original-Message-ID: <409FE51F.1010601 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:25:03 -0400 From: Howard Ires Reply-To: hi [at] hillinteractive.net Organization: Hill Interactive Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Subject: Re: Web list (was Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List) X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 X-SpamCatcher-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SpamCatcher-1: 1767c533943397edac3f1e9505f39691 ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:15:27 -0400 Subject: Electrician needed chicago and Fla From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <28AF85BF-A2C7-11D8-8A8A-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Joe Saint of jkld incorporated is in need of an electrician for one day just outside Chicago on May 18 for a few hours that afternoon and one more for a few hours in the Naples, FL area around June 1-2. The work involves focussing some tracklights in brand-new Calvin Klein stores. The work is simple -- the track is about 10' off the ground, a stepladder is supplied, there are about 300+ fixtures in the store. All you need to bring is a pair of gloves ('dem tracklights get hot!). Pay is $20/hour (cash), 4 hour minimum, plus travel time. Please contact Joe Saint at 212-226-2075 or at joe [at] jkld.com. You must use the subject line, CK store focus, or you will get lost in anti-spam filtering. Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:18:43 -0400 Subject: Les Mis/ Opera spots From: Herrick Message-Id: <9DA8B0F6-A2C7-11D8-8A8A-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) wow it's so nice to have this back. we obviously have been saving stuff up! I'm doing Glass Menagerie and the director and I want a soft elegant backlight spot on Laura throughout the show. I want something that feels like the spots used for Les Miserables. What were they? Beam projectors? or Fresnels? What options are out there for a smaller theater that wants the same feel. _H Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:23:26 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots At 5:18 PM -0400 5/10/04, Herrick wrote: > What were they? Beam projectors? Beam projectors, IIRC. ------------------------------ Subject: List skipping messages? Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F21295403 [at] MIDL-MAILV.etclink.net> From: "Sarah Clausen" Hi all- I seem to be getting replies, but not original messages. Is anyone else = seeing such things? Thanks - Sarah ------------------------------ Message-ID: <33767DC23FBEA24D85477AF575724205019E8626 [at] email.uncc.edu> From: "Fitch, Tracy" Subject: Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:29:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Reich & Vogel beam projectors. I'm pretty danged sure. But if June Abernathy's on the new list she should be able to really confirm. They were her deal for a few years there. --Tracy Fitch TD, UNC Charlotte; LD, Everywhere Else > -----Original Message----- > From: Herrick [mailto:Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:19 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Les Mis/ Opera spots > > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > wow it's so nice to have this back. we obviously have been saving stuff > up! > > I'm doing Glass Menagerie and the director and I want a soft elegant > backlight spot on Laura throughout the show. I want something that > feels like the spots used for Les Miserables. > > What were they? Beam projectors? or Fresnels? What options are out > there for a smaller theater that wants the same feel. > > _H > > Herrick Goldman > Lighting Designer, NYC > www.HGLightingDesign.com > > "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and > in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040510140242.00b186d0 [at] localhost> References:

<6.1.0.6.0.20040510140242.00b186d0 [at] localhost> Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Problem with list software Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:41:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) On May 10, 2004, at 2:05 PM, Jerry Durand wrote: > I just noticed in the headers on at least one message, the server has > a problem. There are TWO reply-to lines in the headers, not good at > all. The server should/must delete any excess headers that a person > sends. Thanks for the heads up -- I'll review the headers the list server is passing through. I was probably too liberal with the wildcards :-) Noah ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20040510180033.0452cec0 [at] mail.hstech.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:01:55 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots In-Reply-To: References: You're right. The operators control the level via rheostats next to them. Scott At 05:29 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >--------------------------------------------------- > >Reich & Vogel beam projectors. >I'm pretty danged sure. Scott C. Parker Production Designer/Technical Director High School Tech Production Web Site hstech~AT~hstech.org High Schoolers: come visit the HS Tech Web Site... http://www.hstech.org Our Mission: To assist High School Technical Theater students in their desire to learn about, create, and execute theatrical productions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:22:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots Message-ID: <20040510.152502.1736.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 From: Richard Niederberg 14" beam projectors, most likely. These are cheap, almost bulletproof, and often can use obsolete Fresnel bulbs (T-20 or BTL or BTR) that you may already have collecting dust on a back shelf. You didn't ask, but the glass animals are best lit from below if you want them to 'glow' on cue. /s/ Richard > What were they? Beam projectors? or Fresnels? What options are out > there for a smaller theater that wants the same feel. > Herrick Goldman ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.1.20040510182823.00b4c4e0 [at] incoming.verizon.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:29:14 -0400 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List In-Reply-To: At 12:53 AM 5/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: >For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Hello everyone! > >As we approach 6 weeks without the Stagecraft list, more and more people >are clammering for the return of the list. While waiting for Steve to have >time to return, I'm doing my best to restore the list. You can treat this >as a continuation of the very same list. And just as the people at the methadone clinic were getting to know me by name. Patrick G. Patrick McCreary Ass't. Professor - Technical Director Department of Theater and Dance Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15701 (Office) 724-357-2644 (Home) 724-349-4309 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005d01c436df$f17685e0$f9520918 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: joining foam Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:41:32 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 I've had great luck using polyurethane glues (Gorilla etc). Cheap and easily avail at home centers. As for deterioration, I've got rocks we built 5 years ago still getting lots of use and holding up nicely. These glues hold lots of different materials well. Since the glue expands as it cures you'll want to secure the pieces. I've used tape, drywall screws, stage weights, and clamps depending on the application. Glad the list is back. Thanks Noah. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. > ------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:56:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres From: Tony Miller Message-ID: The recent train bombs in Madrid were apparently set off by sending a signal to a mobile phone connected to some explosives in a backpack so that is probably the reason jamming is being allowed in public spaces. What's that about every dark cloud having a silver lining? Tony Miller. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:00:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Already on the glass animals from below concept. That's the easy one. Now working with the director who wants to use Williams' original "Magic Lantern" projections as written is the next project. It's interesting how times have changed. William's was just coming off a huge flop when GM premiered and he wanted literal projections of words and images to reinforce his characters' words. Nowadays projection is so commonplace that just projecting words seems trite and too much like supertitles. Also his play and his characters are so strong and his writing so powerful that I can't imagine distracting the audience with a picture of "blue roses". I personally think that were he alive now Williams would not want these visual crutches in his drama. Also for any students out there who have never read his introduction to Glass Menagerie it is a lighting designers dream come true. I had forgotten about it entirely until I re-read the play again. It's as good as "Magic of Light". Thanks for the BP verification y'all. -H On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 18:22 America/New_York, Richard Niederberg wrote: > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > 14" beam projectors, most likely. These are cheap, almost bulletproof, > and often can use obsolete Fresnel bulbs (T-20 or BTL or BTR) that you > may already have collecting dust on a back shelf. You didn't ask, but > the > glass animals are best lit from below if you want them to 'glow' on > cue. > /s/ Richard > >> What were they? Beam projectors? or Fresnels? What options are out >> there for a smaller theater that wants the same feel. >> Herrick Goldman > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:07:59 -0600 From: Davy Davis Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Message-id: <40A00B4F.4050700 [at] du.edu> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 References: When we were planning our new facility I heard, probably on this list, about a similar technology Israel had developed. But in conciltation with the University Counsel it was determined that this could cause more liability issues than we were willing to deal with. Specifically, what if a doctor etc brought their cell phone into the theatre (set to vibrate, of course) and missed a call which led to someone dying? This is an extreme case but a possibility that sent our University Counsel running around saying no no no. I wonder what he thinks about the fact that only about 5% of all cell phones get any kind of reception in our new building? Davy William Temple (Davy) Davis Chair, Department of Theatre University of Denver ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040510161010.02fa33d8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:11:21 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: stripping address and server info In-Reply-To: Is there any way to receive the digest without all the header information (server, mime, etc.) included? Professor Loren Schreiber Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040510160649.010172f0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:10:07 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Cell phone jamming In-Reply-To: Correcto--cell phones make great remote bomb detonators. Simply dial in from anywhere in the world and set off your previously planted bomb. Most on this list could probably figure out how to make the ring tone activate a detonator. I believe the bombs on the Madrid train were set off this way. Professor Loren Schreiber Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040510162707.02db5e28 [at] localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:27:36 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: List skipping messages? In-Reply-To: References: At 02:27 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >Hi all- > >I seem to be getting replies, but not original messages. Is anyone else >seeing such things? > >Thanks - > >Sarah Check your spam bucket, I found a lot of messages in mine. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <010b01c436e6$6db2f840$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:27:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davy Davis" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > When we were planning our new facility I heard, probably on this list, > about a similar technology Israel had developed. But in conciltation > with the University Counsel it was determined that this could cause more > liability issues than we were willing to deal with. > Specifically, what if a doctor etc brought their cell phone into the > theatre (set to vibrate, of course) and missed a call which led to > someone dying? This is an extreme case but a possibility that sent our > University Counsel running around saying no no no. I wonder what he > thinks about the fact that only about 5% of all cell phones get any kind > of reception in our new building? > Davy > > William Temple (Davy) Davis > Chair, Department of Theatre > University of Denver > Think we did this one to death over in rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft a few years back. My personal opinion is that ANYBODY who HAS to have their mobile/pager switched on for emergency services should NOT put themselves in this position. In the UK, I know a there are a LOT of people who are on call, some in the services, others not. I know NONE of these, however, who put themselves in the position that a call or page will mean they HAVE to attend - ie they attend the theatre on their days/nights off-call. Now, I know that (for example) many fire service guys in the States who are permanent volunteers, and it's been said that some of them are always on call. Whilst I accept that, I still don't believe that it's the best thing for them to do to make themselves so difficult to be contacted. Would it be acceptable, for example, to have a pager (vibrate or whatever) on in a music gig during which a page may be missed anyway? I doubt it. So as far as the emergency guys are concerned, surely it's best that they NOT be in an auditorium on days when they MAY be called? Sounds a bit callous to say that we 'ban' the firemen etc from seeing a show, but I can't believe that there's no mechanism that doesn't give them a night off occasionally.... Which leaves us with the rest of the plebs out there who think they're soooo important that they HAVE to leave the phone on regardless and stuff the rest of the viewing public! I rank them just behind the inanely insistent pratts who absolutely MUST take a flash photo (usually in the UV scenes!). /Rant mode off/!! 8-))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Boyd's thoughts on lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well since I'm preaching heresy anyway... seems to me that we may be approaching a fork where the differnt camps participate in different ways, either by forum, e-mail or realtime chat. I'm not sure this would really be such a bad thing since feelings seem to run fairly deep on this. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:14:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Message-ID: <20040510.171709.3040.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 From: Richard Niederberg He should think as to how he will chastise the engineers for missing that last 5%! I'm as risk-adverse as other attorney, and I still believe that conspicuous signage is sufficient to warn of a no-reception building, providing that you are able to block out the signals. You don't want some lazy patron to leave their cell phone on 'loud ring' in reliance on your signage. Of course, those of you in cold areas can require them to be returned to their vehicles or checked at your cloak room, which can become an additional profit center for your theatre. Those of us who are located in the Southwest unfortunately do not have this option, as cloakrooms used for their intended purpose are as prevalent as hurricane cellars out here. /s/ Richard > I wonder what he thinks about the fact that only > about 5% of all cell phones get any kind > of reception in our new building? > Davy ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ From: "Rachael Saltzman" Subject: Re: Electrician needed chicago and Fla Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:31:32 +0000 Message-ID: I dunno if you want to use someone from NY for this project, but I am available for others. Rachael ps - if you would like a resume, let me know. >From: Herrick >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Electrician needed chicago and Fla >Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:15:27 -0400 > >For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >--------------------------------------------------- > > > >Joe Saint of jkld incorporated is in need of an electrician for one day >just >outside Chicago on May 18 for a few hours that afternoon and one more for a >few hours in the Naples, FL area around June 1-2. > >The work involves focussing some tracklights in brand-new Calvin Klein >stores. The work is simple -- the track is about 10' off the ground, a >stepladder is supplied, there are about 300+ fixtures in the store. All >you >need to bring is a pair of gloves ('dem tracklights get hot!). > >Pay is $20/hour (cash), 4 hour minimum, plus travel time. > >Please contact Joe Saint at 212-226-2075 or at joe [at] jkld.com. You must use >the subject line, CK store focus, or you will get lost in anti-spam >filtering. > > > > >Herrick Goldman >Lighting Designer, NYC >www.HGLightingDesign.com > >"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in >light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ From: "John Grimshaw" Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A couple of thoughts on jamming, safety and so on... 1) For some reason the original 1960's design of the Sydney Opera House means that, once you step inside the building, cell reception is GONE! They have been running happily through the introduction of pager and then cell phone technology without too much of a problem! 2) Speaking as both a volunteer firefighter and former theatrical technical manager (and now as a trainer of both), the issue of 'no reception in some areas' is DEFINITELY going to happen as an 'on call' person moves around. We all know and accept that. Theatres with no reception (deliberate or otherwise) are just a part of that. (there are always people who MUST have reception all the time - that is their own problem to solve and they know it) 3) I think there is serious justification from a terrorism point of view to have jammers in areas where the public typically gather together - like theatre auditoriums. Far prefer to go see a show and be offline for a while then to be pulling people out of the wreckage of a nasty event there! Let the punters buy the DVD of the show if they really can't go offline for two hours. 4) Maybe a theatre with a jamming facility also has a person at the 'coat check', who checks in the phone, notes the seat, and even answers calls and takes messages. If really urgent, they can get an usher to get the punter from their seat. Tony D - Don't tar all emergency workers with the same brush. We are not all 'holier than thou' ;) Regards John Grimshaw __________________________________________________________ Juliusmedia Pty Ltd (ABN 62 098 850 036) Serving the Professional Entertainment Technology Industry ||| CX Magazine ||| ENTECH Tradeshow ||| Technical Training ||| Locked Bag 30 Epping NSW 1710 Australia Mobile: 0408 833 394 Call +61 2 9876-3530 Fax +61 2 9876-5715 www.juliusmedia.com __________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Richard Niederberg Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:14 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- He should think as to how he will chastise the engineers for missing that last 5%! I'm as risk-adverse as other attorney, and I still believe that conspicuous signage is sufficient to warn of a no-reception building, providing that you are able to block out the signals. You don't want some lazy patron to leave their cell phone on 'loud ring' in reliance on your signage. Of course, those of you in cold areas can require them to be returned to their vehicles or checked at your cloak room, which can become an additional profit center for your theatre. Those of us who are located in the Southwest unfortunately do not have this option, as cloakrooms used for their intended purpose are as prevalent as hurricane cellars out here. /s/ Richard > I wonder what he thinks about the fact that only about 5% of all cell > phones get any kind of reception in our new building? > Davy ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <023801c43706$e27052c0$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:10:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 First, there is a big difference between jamming and blocking. The later is what occurs inside many metal framed or very thick walled buildings and is passive. Jamming on the other hand requires active transmitters and creates rf "noise". Jam the cellular frequencies and you will cause havoc with other communications. Some of the public service trunking systems who are too close to Nextel frequencies already receive interference. Imagine when they get within a confined, "jammed" space. Also, many public service agencies use cell phones for their communications. In Georgia, SouthernLinc, is used by a number of agencies. ["Gee, I'm sorry Mr. Heart-Attack-Victim, I'd like to transmit your vitals but they're jamming our frequency in here."] So you jam all "known" cell phone frequencies. Then a terrorist ( a wise terrorist) would just use equipment on another frequency. Maybe not as convenient as a cell phone, but just about as easy. So then we start jamming the entire spectrum from DC to daylight. Wonder what that would do with......say wireless mikes? Intercoms? WiFi? Cordless phones? or remote control just about anything else? What ever happened to good old Radio Shack digital timers? Alf - nice to have the list back. By-the-by, ever try to legally buy a gun in DC, Jerry? Can't be done. Not by an ordinary civilian. Also, it isn't legal for us ordinary folks to possess a gun in DC, even just driving through. Nope, only criminals and federal agents are allowed to posses guns in DC. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:24:12 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List At 6:29 PM -0400 5/10/04, Patrick McCreary wrote: > And just as the people at the methadone clinic were > getting to know me by name. Trivia note: Did you know that Once Upon A Time (early 1900s) heroin was used to "cure" morphine addiction? DAMHIK,IJK. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040510161010.02fa33d8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040510161010.02fa33d8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: stripping address and server info Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:54:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) On May 10, 2004, at 4:11 PM, Loren Schreiber wrote: > Is there any way to receive the digest without all the header > information (server, mime, etc.) included? I sent an email to the digest recipients to get some input on the digest format. That's a MIME format which some mail programs display better. But I'll get rid of it if that's not useful to most! Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: <51312EBFCD0B1A4789781739FE26AAE25A98D0 [at] PEPSI.uwec.edu> From: "Nimm, Christopher Kehoe" Can a cell phone jamming device be turned on and off? I ask because there's something quite irritating about not being able to call the lighting designer when there's a show being hung or focused. Sure, I know that the convenience of theatrical workers is a bit overshadowed by public safety, but I just wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on the subject. Chris Nimm UW - Eau Claire Theatre ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040510215740.02dba718 [at] localhost> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:00:11 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres In-Reply-To: References: One thing not mentioned in all of this. It is against FCC rules to intentionally block ANY otherwise allowed radio transmission. The Federal government is, of course, exempt from following the rules. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:23:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <59F22B96-A30B-11D8-A4C8-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) OK PAL....WTF DTM? On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 23:24 America/New_York, Rigger wrote: > > DAMHIK,IJK. > > Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:35:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Message-ID: <20040510.223530.1844.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 From: Richard Niederberg Not exactly. I see no problem with cladding rooms in a similar manner to the way that the control rooms adjacent to medical X-ray machines are clad. Passive blockage of EMR is permitted; unlicensed transmissions on regulated frequencies so as to jam other legally permitted transmissions are not. Most commercial bank vault walls do not pass EMR very well. It is not difficult to legally fill the pockets of the concrete block walls which form the exterior walls of a theatre with metallized grout that will block cell phone signals, without adversely affecting the structural strength of the building. /s/ Richard > It is against FCC rules to intentionally block > ANY otherwise allowed radio transmission. > Jerry Durand ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:21:30 -0700 From: William McLachlan Subject: Re: Les Mis/ Opera spots >For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >--------------------------------------------------- > > >wow it's so nice to have this back. we obviously have been saving stuff up! > >I'm doing Glass Menagerie and the director and I want a soft elegant >backlight spot on Laura throughout the show. I want something that >feels like the spots used for Les Miserables. > >What were they? Beam projectors? or Fresnels? What options are out >there for a smaller theater that wants the same feel. Believe it or not I had the same type on a 1994/95 nine inch nails tour. They were indeed Reich and Vogel BPs. The actual Les Mis ones I believe were 24v globes with a transformer and a Rheostat, but as was pointed out June will know for sure. Ours were sub-rented from Bash NY (back in the day when there was MORE than one NY vendor...), had a transformer box and no rheostat. We drove a color changer and dimming from the conv. console. It was fun to prep the spot operators for that show...the followspot meeting when something like this: "okay...for the whole show you need to follow the short angry guy downstage center who's running around breaking things, and we'll do the rest." :) Cheers, Willy -- William McLachlan willy [at] wmld.com, http://www.wmld.com "a) faster b) cheaper c) better. Choose any two." -- ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:31:02 -0700 From: Jeff Forbes Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List It's great to have the list back up, but I think I'll subscribe to the digest. I just got home from a 12 hour day and had 150 messages waiting for me. At least 120 were the days Stagecraft. I would still like to keep it e-mail based, but the web based idea has it's appeal. J -- Jeff A Forbes PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd Portland, OR 97206 (503) 888-5619 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005801c43728$5626a810$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:19:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 There's a lot of very good feedback there, John. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to make sweeping unsupported statements - the reason I belaboured the point of the emergency guys is that last time this came up it was the single most vocal 'reason' quoted as to why we shouldn't block cell frequencies in theatres etc. (Thought I'd nip it in the bud!!!) 8-)) Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Grimshaw" > > A couple of thoughts on jamming, safety and so on... > > 1) For some reason the original 1960's design of the Sydney Opera House > means that, once you step inside the building, cell reception is GONE! They > have been running happily through the introduction of pager and then cell > phone technology without too much of a problem! > > 2) Speaking as both a volunteer firefighter and former theatrical technical > manager (and now as a trainer of both), the issue of 'no reception in some > areas' is DEFINITELY going to happen as an 'on call' person moves around. We > all know and accept that. Theatres with no reception (deliberate or > otherwise) are just a part of that. (there are always people who MUST have > reception all the time - that is their own problem to solve and they know > it) > > 3) I think there is serious justification from a terrorism point of view to > have jammers in areas where the public typically gather together - like > theatre auditoriums. Far prefer to go see a show and be offline for a while > then to be pulling people out of the wreckage of a nasty event there! Let > the punters buy the DVD of the show if they really can't go offline for two > hours. > > 4) Maybe a theatre with a jamming facility also has a person at the 'coat > check', who checks in the phone, notes the seat, and even answers calls and > takes messages. If really urgent, they can get an usher to get the punter > from their seat. > > Tony D - Don't tar all emergency workers with the same brush. We are not all > 'holier than thou' ;) > > Regards > John Grimshaw > __________________________________________________________ > Juliusmedia Pty Ltd (ABN 62 098 850 036) > Serving the Professional Entertainment Technology Industry > ||| CX Magazine ||| ENTECH Tradeshow ||| Technical Training ||| > Locked Bag 30 Epping NSW 1710 Australia > Mobile: 0408 833 394 > Call +61 2 9876-3530 Fax +61 2 9876-5715 > www.juliusmedia.com > __________________________________________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Richard > Niederberg > Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:14 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres > > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list > subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > He should think as to how he will chastise the engineers for missing > that last 5%! I'm as risk-adverse as other attorney, and I still believe > that conspicuous signage is sufficient to warn of a no-reception building, > providing that you are able to block out the signals. You don't want some > lazy patron to leave their cell phone on 'loud ring' in reliance on your > signage. Of course, those of you in cold areas can require them to be > returned to their vehicles or checked at your cloak room, which can become > an additional profit center for your theatre. > Those of us who are located in the Southwest unfortunately do not have this > option, as cloakrooms used for their intended purpose are as prevalent as > hurricane cellars out here. > /s/ Richard > > > I wonder what he thinks about the fact that only about 5% of all cell > > phones get any kind of reception in our new building? > > Davy > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > ------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:55:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List From: Tony Miller Message-ID: Dave Vick wrote > Trivia note: Did you know that Once Upon A Time (early 1900s) heroin > was used to "cure" morphine addiction? On a further off topic trivia note. Nowadays Heroin is used to "cure" Crack Cocaine addiction. Apparently because you can continue taking Crack until your heart gives up it is really hard to control, Heroin on the other hand is much more controllable and doctors have been using it to wean people off Crack. At least that is what I have been told by a friend who is a doctor at a Drug Dependency unit. Tony Miller. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:06:11 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List At 1:23 AM -0400 5/11/04, Herrick wrote: > On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 23:24 America/New_York, Rigger wrote: >> >> DAMHIK,IJK. > > OK PAL....WTF DTM? "Don't ask me how I know, I just know." -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01dd01c4374a$434576f0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:22:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" > > At 1:23 AM -0400 5/11/04, Herrick wrote: > > > On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 23:24 America/New_York, Rigger wrote: > >> > >> DAMHIK,IJK. > > > > OK PAL....WTF DTM? > > > "Don't ask me how I know, I just know." > > -- LOL - new one on me, too! ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:42:33 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List At 12:22 PM +0100 5/11/04, Tony Deeming wrote: >> "Don't ask me how I know, I just know." > > LOL - new one on me, too! Noooo.... I know I've used that on RATS many times. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <020701c4374f$2c33e8c0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Reviving the Stagecraft Mailing List > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > At 12:22 PM +0100 5/11/04, Tony Deeming wrote: > > >> "Don't ask me how I know, I just know." > > > > LOL - new one on me, too! > > > Noooo.... > I know I've used that on RATS many times. > > -- Obviously skipped RIGHT by me, then!! 8-))))))) ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #3 ***************************