Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #13 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 03:00:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #13 1. Re: Shopping at Home Depot (Was Wal-Mart) by "Delbert Hall" 2. Re: OT by "Joe Meils" 3. Obsession personalities by Ron Cargile 4. Re: Obsession personalities by "Booth, Dennis" 5. Re: Wal-Mart by "Mike Mallinson" 6. Re: Wal-Mart by "Mike Mallinson" 7. Re: Wal-Mart by Wood Chip-P26398 8. Re: Wal-Mart by Richard Niederberg 9. Re: Wal-Mart by "Kacey Fisher" 10. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Jerry Durand 11. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Eddie Kramer 12. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by Jerry Durand *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Shopping at Home Depot (Was Wal-Mart) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:15:54 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c43e64$33d16870$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Tractor Supply, Sears, etc. are great when you need a few bolts, a ratchet strap, a short piece of steel, common tools, etc., but for specialized hardware or industrial items, you have to go somewhere else. Like Steve Vanciel, I order a lot of stuff from McMaster-Carr (I placed an order with them yesterday). And some stuff we can only get from theatrical dealers. IMHO, Wal-Mart and the like are not going away anytime soon. Every company has it own marketing strategy. Mom and pop (and uncle) operations stay in business by providing "niche" products and/or services that the big guys don't or can't handle. Big does not always mean successful. You should note that there are more "small" airline companies making a profit than "large" airline companies. IMHO, the first requirement to running any successful business is to know who YOUR customer base is and to understand their needs. This is true for Wal-Mart, McMaster-Carr, and Hall Associates. Home Depot's customer base is not the same as base as Texas Scenic's, or May Kaye's. Bashing Wal-Mart and Home Depot is foolish. These companies provide a good service to THEIR customer base, and they are profitable. IMHO, if you understand business, there is a place for everyone at the table of commerce. -Delbert ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c43e82$bcdbab80$08ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: OT Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:54:29 -0500 "Rant" is such a negative term. I've always preferred "Long, passionate response." Don't you agree? Rants can't be all bad... after all they are what made Dennis Miller's career. > >Was that a rant? > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040520100210.01b43c78 [at] pop.uci.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:05:12 -0700 From: Ron Cargile Subject: Obsession personalities Thanks to everyone who has responded to my posting. Thanks to the benevolence of Sarah Clausen and company at ETC, I now have the personalities. As I type this, I just got a VL1000 personality from Sean McCarthy, too. Again, I say thanks. ....Ron __________ Ron Cargile Electrics & Audio Supervisor Claire Trevor School of the Arts University of California, Irvine (949) 824-4031 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Obsession personalities Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: <659CC0547BC6D3118B9200508BC270EA035BB5B5 [at] ncsamail.ncarts.edu> From: "Booth, Dennis" It's nice to know you finally have not just one, but multiple personalities, Ron! DGB Dennis Gill Booth, Technical Director North Carolina School of the Arts=20 School of Design and Production=20 1553 South Main Street=20 PO Box 12189=20 Winston-Salem, NC 27117-2189=20 * Voice: (336)770-3232 x127=20 * FAX: (336)770-3213=20 * Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu=20 * D&P URL: http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/=20 * Faculty URL: http://faculty.ncarts.edu/dandp/booth/ -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:05 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Obsession personalities For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Thanks to everyone who has responded to my posting. Thanks to the benevolence of Sarah Clausen and company at ETC, I now have the personalities. As I type this, I just got a VL1000 personality from Sean McCarthy, too. Again, I say thanks. ....Ron __________ Ron Cargile Electrics & Audio Supervisor Claire Trevor School of the Arts University of California, Irvine (949) 824-4031 ----------------------------------------------=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Mike Mallinson" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:14:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c43e9e$b03ab990$dd63fea9 [at] Fred> I'm perfectly okay with this transition, as long as the big box retailer is retailing responsible products (ie not built in sweatshops with no environmental restrictions) and treats their employees well (ie not hiring morons who don't care because they're being paid $.12 an hour). MalWart in my community hires developmentally disabled (MR, Down's Syndrome, etc) which is admirable until you realize that they're only doing it because they get paid less than non-disabled workers. You can get away with shopping there for theatre if you're buying for a show with a short run, because anything used longer will fall apart due to the lower quality of products sold there. A few years ago, my Home Depot used to hire construction professionals who worked the section in which they had expertise, so if you shopped there you could get advice on specific products and what would work best for your money. Now I can't find anyone at all, and if I do it's some stupid kid who knows nothing and doesn't care, and they don't even carry pre-turned spindles when I need a staircase in a hurry, or Leatherman tools if mine breaks. I'm a fan of progress, but I don't think this is it... Mike Mallinson IATSE Local 215 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Storms, Randy" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:49:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) I was gonna stay out o' this, but seeing as it's a "thing" now... When the first supermarkets appeared, there was a great hue and cry: "But what about the mom-and-pop butcher shop, bakery, green grocer, fish market, (etc., etc.)-- they'll be driven under!!" They were right, of course, for all practical purposes those specialized businesses have been entirely replaced by supermarkets. The same thing was true of the big retail store chains like Wal-mart, K-Mart, or (in the Pacific Northwest) Fred Meyer. "Woe is us!" they cried, "My 900 sq. ft. shoe store can never compete!" They were right too, of course - they *couldn't* compete. It's a natural evolution -- If I can purchase the same product cheaper and more conveniently at a mass-merchandiser, I probably will. And - until you are willing to make a special trip downtown to the butcher shop every week for your weekly meat-related needs, you can probably hop off the anti-Wal Mart soap box. (Aisle 3!) As Meredith Wilson pointed out in The Music Man, "Who's gonna patronize a little bitty two-by-four kinda store anymore?" Ducking and Running, -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ From: "Mike Mallinson" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c43e9e$c3965260$dd63fea9 [at] Fred> In-Reply-To: Here in California, I think full service is illegal! Mike Mallinson IATSE local 215 ------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:45:42 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Wal-Mart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 17 May 2004, Simon Shuker wrote: > [Simon Shuker] They still do in the UAE - in fact self service is > illegal Same in Oregon (unless it changed recently...) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6728517EECE7D511981B00D0B78290310ACCF98D [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:36:50 -0700 I've noticed this too. When Home Depot 1st came they seemed to have many friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable sales people. This was their sales pitch for a while. Now if I can find anybody at all, they are the usual "not my job" types. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mallinson few years ago, my Home Depot used to hire construction professionals who worked the section in which they had expertise, so if you shopped there you could get advice on specific products and what would work best for your money. Now I can't find anyone at all, and if I do it's some stupid kid who knows nothing and doesn't care ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:10:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Message-ID: <20040520.131059.3956.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Hmmm.... Maybe... Still, I would still prefer, AS A TAXPAYER, to reduce our welfare, etc, costs by hiring the marginally, or marginallized, handicapped who, I presume, pay some taxes, even on a Wal-Mart salary... Not that it is my business to do Social Engineering, but... When you factor in minimum wage and tax laws, combined with the 'reasonable accommodation' costs under the ADA, and overhead costs of increased supervision, the benefit is primarily one of being perceived as a responsible member of the community, and not significantly less costs. This is akin to 'colorblind casting'; there is no real cost saving in doing the right (or even politically correct) thing, even in a nonunion situation. A few years ago, I cast an actress, who, due to an auto accident, was paralyzed below the waist. Her role was that of a lawyer, so the blocking was adjusted so that she never had to get up from the formal leather chair behind the large ornate lawyers desk. The audience never knew she was handicapped. A few months later, she appeared as the first Playmate with a mobility disability, but you could never tell from the pix. /s/ Richard > MalWart in my community hires developmentally disabled > (MR, Down's Syndrome, etc) which is admirable until you > realize that they're only doing it because they get paid less > than non-disabled workers. > Mike Mallinson ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: My aunt works for them and she told me his is because when a new home Depot opens they bring in their A-team from out of town to get the store up and running and train the b-team of minimum wage workers! ~Kacey > I've noticed this too. When Home Depot 1st came they seemed to > have many friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable sales people. > This was their sales pitch for a while. Now if I can find > anybody at all, they are the usual "not my job" types. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040520193840.00b2c6e8 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:43:11 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres A while back I had mentioned the RFID tags used to track people. As a sample of how much tracking is going on, here's the latest spyware for the individual: www.DidTheyReadIt.com Of course, it will no longer work on us, it's blocked in our router. Here's a typical report from it (I sent a test message to my wife): Mail Read Information To: "Sharon Hurtley-Durand" Subject: test of new tracking Sent On: 05/20/04 (06:43PM) 1st Opened: 05/20/04 (07:01PM) Tracking Summary Total: Opened 1 time by 1 reader Tracking Details (latest first) Opened: 05/20/04 (07:01PM) Read Duration (approx.): 00:00:33 Location: (US) UNITED STATES, CALIFORNIA, SAN JOSE Show Map Organization (ISP): COVAD COMMUNICATIONS Opened On: h-68-164-152-60.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net (68.164.152.60) Language: en-us Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) Referrer: ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 01:08:11 -0400 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres On 5/20/04 Jerry Durand sent: >Of course, it will no longer work on us, it's blocked in our router. Jerry- Please let the rest of the list know how you did it. Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040520224300.00b2c080 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:45:55 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:08 PM 5/20/2004, you wrote: >On 5/20/04 Jerry Durand sent: > >Of course, it will no longer work on us, it's blocked in our router. > >Jerry- > >Please let the rest of the list know how you did it. Simple, block all access to didtheyreadit.com (use the keyword blocking in consumer routers). This will only work for this one company, but this should be the only one used by "regular" people. Spams have been including tracing pixels for a long time and the only way to block all of them is to use an e-mail reader that doesn't understand HTML. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #13 ****************************