Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #18 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 03:00:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #18 1. Re: Shopping at Home Depot (Was Wal-Mart) by Michael Powers 2. Curious by Bruce Purdy 3. Re: Donations from the giants of retail by Michael Powers 4. Re: Curious by Herrick 5. Re: Setting up Vector works drawings by "Kacey Fisher" 6. Re: Donations from the giants of retail by Mike Voytko 7. Re: Setting up Vector works drawings by "C. Andrew Dunning" 8. Fw: Donations from the giants of retail by "jhwenger" 9. Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail by Mike Brubaker 10. Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail by IAEG [at] aol.com 11. Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail by "Joe Meils" 12. Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail by "Jon Ares" 13. Good to be back!!! by "" 14. Re: Waste Paint disposal by doran [at] bard.edu 15. Re: Waste Paint disposal by Stephen Litterst 16. Re: Wal-Mart by "Tony" 17. Re: Donations from the giants of retail by "Tony Deeming" 18. Re: Circus performer dies in fall by "Tony Deeming" 19. Re: Tent rigging? by "will kent" 20. Re: Tent rigging? by Rigger 21. Re: Circus performer dies in fall by IAEG [at] aol.com 22. Re: Tent rigging? by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 23. Re: Tent rigging? by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 24. Re: Tent rigging? by Rigger 25. Re: Tent rigging? by Bsapsis [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:34:11 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Shopping at Home Depot (Was Wal-Mart) Message-id: <1085488451.40b33d437867d [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> I said I would shut up on this piece, guess I was wrong. I'll re iterate for those that didn't read my earlier post, I have first hand knowledge of Wal-Mart as my wife has worked there, in three different states for over a total of 12 years. "Paul Schreiner" wrote: << ....between WM's self-professed family-friendly image versus certain behind-the-scenes realities (imported products from sweatshop countries, ...... >> Just a point, for example, the "Jockey" brand name briefs I bought yesterday at J.C. Penny's are "Made In Jamaica". Many formerly “Made In The U.S.A." products are no longer manufactured in the USA. All retailers, including Wal-Mart, have no choice if they want to carry that particular brand. << .... the fact that most employees are part-time workers who don't have health insurance and don't make enough money for a living wage). >> Several issues here, first, 80% of people applying for work at Wall-Mart are actively seeking PART TIME WORK. They are students, second job holders (whatever other job they have doesn't pay enough) and many mothers who want to be home when their kids get home from school. Wal-Mart is continuously trying to move part timers to full time as the constant training of part timers costs more in lost time and less skilled workers than the higher paid, benefited full timers (you're on the clock but not working during at least half your training and somebody has to do the training, more lost time). Check with Sears, Penney's, TJ Maxx et. al. and see what percentage of their sales staff are part time. The health insurance thing is a chimera. It's not really very good at a lot of places. Very few employers carry the full load any more for people who make less than a three figure salary. I'm at a VERY large State University and I pay $270 a month for health plus a $40 co-pay on half my prescriptions. I'm on the lowest, single person plan (health insurance in Massachusetts is expensive!). My wife's health is through Wal-mart, it's cheaper. Living wage. Well, I'm never sure what a "living wage" is. I know we'd have a very hard time living off my salary alone, yet I know people raising several kids on less than I make. What I do know is that the U.S. minimum wage is (too low) $5 something an hour. Wal- Mart's starting wage for a checker trainee is $8.25 an hour with automatic raises at 3 and 6 months. << ....... have no history of heavy-handed anti-union tactics, ....>> Both the Little Rock and Detroit stores had efforts by unions to organize while my wife was working at those stores. Wal-Mart allowed the union to set up a table in the store the entire 30 days prior to the contract vote and encouraged employees to talk to the union reps. In both cases the employees rejected the union contract because it had lower pay, fewer benefits and you had to pay union dues on top of that. In other words, the package from Wal-Mart was better and no union dues. My personal, first hand experience indicates that the "heavy-handed anti-union tactics," reported are more likely sour grapes from union people to explain losing votes to their bosses. Another point, Wal-Mart is constantly trying to get female department managers (like my wife) to move up to higher management positions. A large number (like my wife) decline as they like the hours, conditions and work at the level they're at now. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers at theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:00:40 -0400 Subject: Curious From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dwayne Reid has in his Sig. file: > > Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. > This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited > commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. I'm just curious! Does this have any actual value? Do any spammers actually read this and decline to send to you? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:04:54 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Donations from the giants of retail Message-id: <1085490294.40b344766853b [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> David Carrico davecarrico3000 [at] yahoo.com writes: << ... Are there others who have made acquistions in this manner? From other retailer? Overstocks from local contractors? >> David, While working at The Meadow Brook Theatre in Rochester, Mi., the Home Depot, at which we did a lot of shopping, donated over 200 gallons of paint one year. The manager recognized us as frequent customers and was always intrigued when we told him just what we intended to do with the items we bought. He just offered it. The local Wal-Mart here donated 6 matching bar stools for a production last year. I, as yet, haven’t tried to tap the $$ donation at Wal-Mart (though I’ve been encouraged to) until I sort out the ethical issues with my wife as an employee. I haven’t tried to hit Home Depot yet as the nearest store was 45 miles away, until this month. And it’s still 18 miles from campus, 2 miles from my house so that’s cool for me. To go about getting donations, first set up a plan. Don’t just ask for money out of the blue. Decide what you need the money for. Costumes, lumber, fog machine rental, etc. If it’s something that store sells, often an in-kind donation will get you more bang for the buck. After you have the need outlined, determine just how this gift will benefit the community, participants, school, etc. It’s not unlike filling out grant applications for research and arts projects, just a few less hoops. Try to decide what you would do if the gift doesn’t materialize and have explanations ready as to the loss of opportunity, quality of product or even cancellation of the project. Now, approach the store manager, and simply ask if they have a program that donates time, products or money to organizations such as yours. They’ll take it from there. HTH. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:21:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Curious From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6395EF5F-AE4E-11D8-A6AC-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com> And if they did (decline). how would you know? On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 09:00 America/New_York, Bruce Purdy wrote: > > > > Dwayne Reid has in his Sig. file: >> >> Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. >> This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited >> commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. > > I'm just curious! Does this have any actual value? Do any spammers > actually read this and decline to send to you? > > > Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Re: Setting up Vector works drawings Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:29:02 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > > A few years back, I spent a great deal of time (along with some > other co-workers) trying to get into VectorWorks. Two of us were > from an AutoCAD background, and the other a Mac-head who didn't > have CAD experience. All of us failed miserably until one took a > class in it. The manuals were just poorly done, and did things > like referring to buttons or menu choices but not telling you how > to find that button. Not sure how many years back you are talking, but the manuals have improved a great deal with the latest versions. Between getting new tech writers and having time to fix the old stuff, they are better. All computer manuals have a long way to go though, IMHO. The training course is definitely a good way to go-I know Nemetschek has partnered with the Professional Learning Series group who goes around the country doing training courses. They are great classes and great people teach them. They teach VW Fundamentals and 3D concept courses. I thought they taught the add-on products too, but I don't see that listed at the Nemetschek website. They also have training cds, but I've never seen them, so I don't know how good they are. ~Kacey ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Mike Voytko Subject: Re: Donations from the giants of retail Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:44:41 -0400 > > Are there others who have made acquistions in this > manner? From other retailer? Overstocks from local > contractors? Two years ago, I lit a show in which most of the furniture was donated by IKEA. (This was after the set designer quit, declaring the set couldn't be done on such a small budget. Miracles do happen...) The producers solicited the local store's community-relations officer, who was happy to make available whatever pieces we needed (including free delivery), in exchange for full-page ads in the program. The donation also served as a PR hook for both parties; the NY Post did an article on how a theater company with limited funds was able to fully realize their scenery. Obviously, this won't help most period sets, but for a play set in a contemporary New York apartment, it was fine. -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: Re: Setting up Vector works drawings Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:01:14 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Kacey - >because the files become so ridiculously large. I can definitely identify w. that. Typical files for me are in the 30 MB range. For a recent project, I've got one that got to almost 90 MB. C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <12c801c44273$ba09c050$6501a8c0 [at] jon> From: "jhwenger" Subject: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:17:04 -0700 Most, if not all, of our primer and base coat scenic paint is donated by a local industrial/commercial painting contractor (in five gallon buckets). I've been over to their warehouse to pick it up and I can tell you it helps out on both side of the equation. Since (for some reason I've never figured out) Latex paint when wet is considered a hazardous material in California, there are buckets of the stuff just sitting around in the sun waiting to dry out so it can be discarded in the normal refuse. Jon Wenger Saratoga Drama Group > Just read Brian's post about a big donation he > requested from his local home depot and was wondering > about the particulars of the donation, lumber, paint, > other materials? And how did he go about getting it? > Did he contact the local store? Just ask? > > Are there others who have made acquistions in this > manner? From other retailer? Overstocks from local > contractors? > > Dave Carrico ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040525112452.02bafbb8 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:26:51 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail In-Reply-To: References: This is true in Indiana, and probably many other states. Liquid latex paint can be disposed of several times a year at our city's hazardous waste pickup. Or, we can let it dry and toss it in the trash. Maybe they just don't want the trucks repainted? Mike At 11:17 AM 5/25/2004, jhwenger wrote: >out on both side of the equation. Since (for some reason I've never figured >out) Latex paint when wet is considered a hazardous material in California, >there are buckets of the stuff just sitting around in the sun waiting to dry >out so it can be discarded in the normal refuse. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <79.2a8bf2c2.2de4cf4f [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:33:19 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail In a message dated 5/25/04 9:27:35 AM, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: << This is true in Indiana, and probably many other states. Liquid latex paint can be disposed of several times a year at our city's hazardous waste pickup. Or, we can let it dry and toss it in the trash. Maybe they just don't want the trucks repainted? Mike >> ditto here in Florida, I did just discover at HOME DEPOT a product called WASTE PAINT HARDENER in the paint department there, the 3.5 oz packet of crystals will harden 2/3 of a gallon quickly, I haven't actually used it yet, , but intend to, , more info at www.biowash.com it's a Canadian product from Napier Environmental Technologies in BC very best, Keith Arsenault President IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 Mr. Arsenault's Office 813 205 0893 Mr. Arsenault's Cellular www.iaeginc.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000801c44277$0c6c92c0$a7ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:40:54 -0500 Huh. That's odd. We just throw all of our excess paints from a show into a 5 gallon bucket, then use it as sealer coat on soft flats, or as a base coat on MDF, to keep it from acting like a sponge. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > In a message dated 5/25/04 9:27:35 AM, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: > > << This is true in Indiana, and probably many other states. Liquid latex > paint can be disposed of several times a year at our city's hazardous waste > pickup. Or, we can let it dry and toss it in the trash. > > Maybe they just don't want the trucks repainted? > > Mike >> > > > ditto here in Florida, > > I did just discover at HOME DEPOT a product called WASTE PAINT HARDENER in > the paint department there, the 3.5 oz packet of crystals will harden 2/3 of a > gallon quickly, > > I haven't actually used it yet, , but intend to, , more info at > www.biowash.com > > it's a Canadian product from Napier Environmental Technologies in BC > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > President > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida > > 813 831 3465 Mr. Arsenault's Office > 813 205 0893 Mr. Arsenault's Cellular > > www.iaeginc.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005e01c44277$c1acdf50$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Fw: Donations from the giants of retail Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:45:57 -0700 > I did just discover at HOME DEPOT a product called WASTE PAINT HARDENER in > the paint department there, the 3.5 oz packet of crystals will harden 2/3 of a > gallon quickly, I haven't tried these products yet... I'm still using a waste paint hardener that's free (AKA sawdust and sunshine). What does this product cost, and is it available (readily) in quantities other than little packets? -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: Good to be back!!! From: "" Message-Id: <20040525180414.5B57EB721 [at] xprdmailfe18.nwk.excite.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Hi everyone! good to see the list back on again. Hope there will be no other technical difficulties in the future... Tomer Cohen Executive Producer Etgar Team Theater Productions tzumi [at] walla.co.il 8 Drezner st. Tel-aviv 69497 Israel +972-54-4643828 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1085514659.40b3a3a34c438 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:50:59 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: Waste Paint disposal References: In-Reply-To: Jon, Here in NY, too. The state DEP says we have to turn it into a semi-solid to dispose of it. Last month, we had to dispose of about 75 gallons or more of latex paint that would not re-mix without chalking up. Various methods are approved in our county, and here are some: *Spread it out on sheet plastic, wait for it to dry, and roll up and dumpster the plastic. Pretty time consuming, and and we had way too much for this. *Open the can, let it dry, and throw it out. Again, takes forever. *Mix in cat litter or sawdust, wait for it to dry, and throw it out. This is what we went with, but for the amount we had it took about 80 or 90 gallons of sawdust and a lot of stirring. It allowed us to empty our dust collector a couple of times, though. *Get some absorbant material, mix it in, and throw it in the dumpster. Our plumbers brought us some of this in grated cheese-looking cans. This stuff works just like disposable diapers, and almost instantly, but at $14 per can, 2 gallons a can, we couldn't afford it. I did find a Newpig product called PIG Sludge Pellets in 40 pound bags. It's cellulose and starch, just like the other stuff, but it's much cheaper. They say it does 17 gallons a bag (or 3 1/2 times its weight), but it does more with a little drying time (minutes to hours). I did not use the PIG stuff, but an IBM Chemical Engineer I know says this stuff is great. I got a price from NewPIG of $309.00 for a 50 bag pallate, or $33.00 for a 2 bag box. Look for this at The product number is PLP302. Just thought you might like to know. Quoting jhwenger : . Since (for some reason I've never figured > out) Latex paint when wet is considered a hazardous material in California, > there are buckets of the stuff just sitting around in the sun waiting to dry > out so it can be discarded in the normal refuse. > Jon Wenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:04:59 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Waste Paint disposal Message-id: <40B3A6EB.EEBB76B7 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

This won't work for everyone, but for those folks at a medium to large institution, check with your Environmental Health and Safety folks. They provide us with a code-appropriate disposal container for our waste latex paint (about 30 gallons or so) and remove the container whenever we fill it (about twice a semester). They also provide containers for our flammable liquids and such. Worth looking into. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03ae01c442a8$74972d20$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:34:34 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Finney" OK - stepping off the soapbox now. Michael Finney I have to say I agree in the main with all that Mike said. My own sister has Downs Syndrome, and at 45, is living off the UK taxpayers in secure monitored and maintained accommodation and has also held several differing jobs over the years, from box making/packing to shelf stacking. I also know and recognise that her output and quality of work is going to be far less than that of an able-bodied employee, and yes the wages paid will (and should) reflect that. To many people with such disabilities, it is NOT about the amount of money they make from a job - it's about the self esteem and recognition they can get out of feeling part of a work force. Some companies can, and do, abuse their position wrt disabled workers, but thankfully they're in the minority. Let's stop knocking ANY company that can see their way to making a difference to such lives - whilst they may indeed be doing so for tax breaks and kudos, they also do provide the service to that section of the community. Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03ba01c442a8$ce3fc080$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Donations from the giants of retail Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:37:05 +0100 I've found that many companies (in the UK) will be happy to donate goods and services either free or for ads or at a good discount if you just take the time to ask the right people in the right way. OK you'll get more rejections than successes, but when I've been serious about going on the scrounge I usually turn up much of what I need! You GOT to have the cheek of the devil, sometimes, tho! Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hofmann, Christopher" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Donations from the giants of retail For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- David Carrico wrote: >Just read Brian's post about a big donation he >requested from his local home depot and was wondering >about the particulars of the donation, lumber, paint, >other materials? And how did he go about getting it? >Did he contact the local store? Just ask? Brian is a little under the weather today, so I don't know if he'll get a chance to post a response. I can tell you that I thought he'd get a lot more "run around" than he did. I was sure he'd have to deal with some regional or national office. He did have to jump through a few hoops, including a written description (in the form of a letter to the manager) outlining how the donation would be used and why it was necessary. As well as a number of fruitless visits to the store to track down the elusive managerial staff. But in the end, he loaded up a cart with $200.00 worth of plywood and the manager rung him out as though he had a credit for the same. Anything to add Brian? Christopher Hofmann Technical Director Tilden Arts Center Cape Cod Community College 2240 Iyanough Road West Barnstable, MA 02668 Office 508.362.2131 x4356 Fax 508.375.4113 Box Office 508.375.4044 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03c601c442a9$496aaa90$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Circus performer dies in fall Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:40:32 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" > > << Sorry to hear about the accident, but what is a tissue performer (or act)? > >> > > it's a performance done while hanging on to a large piece of fabric, referred > to as tissue or silk but in fact is a synthetic knit. > > Usually the fabric is doubled over by putting a hitch though a rescue 8 or > similar. The total length of the fabric could be about 40', giving you two 20' > "tails" so to speak. It can be done "static" meaning that the fabric once it > is in place does not move or attached to a winch where the movement up and down > is carefully choreographed. > > Usually done as a solo act, it can also be done as a duet. On rare occasions > I have seen three or more people. > > There is a wonderful Male / Female Tissue duet ( with a winch ) in Cirque du > Soleil's DRALION. > > Many people do a tissue act, and it is almost a " cliche' '" when you are > talking about contemporary circus (or as many of you might say "a cirque show") > not very many people do it really, really well. There are a lot of > "pedestrian" grade performers out there. Dessi Espana was first class. > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > President > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida > Cirque du Soleil's La Nouba has a cracking tissue act, which I saw in 2000, and will do so again this August when we're over the pond again. ISTR that there were at least 3 performers on stage for that.... Ynot ------------------------------ From: "will kent" Subject: Re: Tent rigging? Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: I was just wondering have you checked with the tent company that its ok to rig off their center poles. I work for such a company part time and i know we would prefer you tell us before hand. I am also wondering how do you rig chain motors to center poles? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:58:43 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Tent rigging? At 10:48 PM +0000 5/25/04, will kent wrote: > I am also wondering how do you rig chain motors to center poles? With a honkin'-big Prussick hitch, tied round the pole with a nylon or kevlar flat sling. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <14.2a749c96.2de52e9f [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:19:59 EDT Subject: Re: Circus performer dies in fall In a message dated 5/25/04 3:41:16 PM, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: << Cirque du Soleil's La Nouba has a cracking tissue act, which I saw in 2000, and will do so again this August when we're over the pond again. ISTR that there were at least 3 performers on stage for that.... Ynot >> actually there are more if I am not mistaken, , but they are on multiple apparatus, I believe there is a principal couple that works together off the same rig, while other solo performers serve as a backing ensemble go to http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/CirqueDuSoleil/en/shows/resident/lanouba_r/ballet.htm for more very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:54:17 EDT Subject: Re: Tent rigging? In a message dated 5/25/04 6:59:17 PM, rigger [at] tds.net writes: << With a honkin'-big Prussick hitch, tied round the pole with a nylon or kevlar flat sling. >> Er, ah, ahem. That method usually results in the hoist resting against the pole and having the chain running at an angle in/out of the machine. This is not the best idea. We normally make a pole clamp that allows for the hoist to hang plumb next to the pole, not riding against it. Bill Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:13:52 EDT Subject: Re: Tent rigging? Josh. I appreciate the detail you have sent to the list concerning your truss set up, but I'm afraid I'm not getting a clear enough idea of what it looks like to offer any advice. If you want to send me a sketch then I can work on it. You can try e-mail with a small attachment but as I'm in Helsinki and using a rather slow hotel dial up line, you might want to try a fax. The number here is +358 9 3935 3255 Or, if you have time to wait, I will be back in the office on June 2 and we can discuss it then. Thanks Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:21:04 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Tent rigging? At 11:54 PM -0400 5/25/04, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: >Er, ah, ahem. That method usually results in the hoist resting against the >pole and having the chain running at an angle in/out of the machine. This is >not the best idea. > >We normally make a pole clamp that allows for the hoist to hang plumb next to >the pole, not riding against it. I suppose if I had my own metal shop at my disposal, I'd probably do likewise. But I don't, so I don't. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:50:50 EDT Subject: Re: Tent rigging? In a message dated 5/26/04 12:21:39 AM, rigger [at] tds.net writes: << I suppose if I had my own metal shop at my disposal, I'd probably do likewise. But I don't, so I don't. >> Well, you may not have your very own metal shop at your disposal, but you have mine. Bill (Currently in Helsinki trying to uphold the American reputation for being able to drink with the best of them, but these Finns are tough competition.) ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #18 ****************************