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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #19

 1. Bill in hel...
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
 2. Re: Design on a budget
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 3. Re: Tent rigging?
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
 4. Re: Design on a budget
    by Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
 5. Re: Design on a budget
    by Simon Shuker <simonef [at] emirates.net.ae>
 6. Re: Design on a budget
    by Mike Voytko <mv35 [at] nyu.edu>
 7. Re: Waste Paint disposal
    by Jason Winslow <sparkenter [at] comcast.net>
 8. Re: Tent rigging?
    by Scott Sloan <scott [at] scottsloan.net>
 9. Re: Waste Paint disposal
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
10. Digest "back issues" available
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
11. Re: Waste Paint disposal
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
12. OT? Drinking with Finns (was Tent Rigging)
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
13. Re: Tent rigging (addendum)
    by "josh Foreman" <josh [at] shitkidproductions.com>
14. Re: Drinking with Finns 
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
15. Wireless Intercoms
    by "Fitch, Tracy" <tfitch [at] email.uncc.edu>
16. Re: OT? Drinking with Finns (was Tent Rigging)
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
17. Crappy cheap-o dimmers
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
18. Re: Drinking with Finns
    by Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
19. Re: Crappy cheap-o dimmers(Sunn)
    by LITETROL [at] aol.com
20. Re: Crappy cheap-o dimmers(Sunn)
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
21. Re: Wal-Mart
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
22. Re: Tent rigging?
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Bill in hel...
In-Reply-To: <list-3496723 [at] prxy.net>

Bill
(Currently in Helsinki trying to uphold the American
reputation for 
being 
able to drink with the best of them, but these Finns
are tough 
competition.)

May the Force Be with you...




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b_ricie [at] yahoo.com


	
		
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From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-3496723 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Design on a budget
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:24:14 -1000

<<Two years ago, I lit a show in which most of the furniture was donated
by IKEA.
(This was after the set designer quit, declaring the set couldn't be
done on such a small budget. Miracles do happen...)

The producers solicited the local store's community-relations officer,
who was happy to make available whatever pieces we needed (including
free delivery), in exchange for full-page ads in the program. The
donation also served as a PR hook for both parties; the NY Post did an
article on how a theater company with limited funds was able to fully
realize their scenery>>

So did the producers try to provide all this support "before" the designer
quit, or did they stand by while the director or whoever made unreasonable
demands until it became an "Oh my god, what are we going to do now wait a
minute my cousin's sister's daughter's husband is the Ikea store manager!"
kind of thing.

Part of the design equation are the budgets... money, time, manpower and
skill levels.

Laters,

Paul

"There's no need for silence," Tom allowed.




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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:28:23 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Tent rigging?
Message-id: <40B4A987.5C052D8E [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-3495475 [at] prxy.net>

Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote:

> 
> Bill
> (Currently in Helsinki trying to uphold the American reputation for being
> able to drink with the best of them, but these Finns are tough competition.)

Oh dear, if Bill's having a hard time competing, the rest of us are
doomed.

;-)

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
Subject: Re: Design on a budget
In-Reply-To: <list-3497933 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405261031340.28082-100000 [at] aria.operaphilly.com>

On Wed, 26 May 2004, Paul Guncheon wrote:

> So did the producers try to provide all this support "before" the designer
> quit

This also makes me wonder whether the designer really gave some thought to 
whether this was a job they wanted, knowing the budgets and requirements? 
Perhaps things were misrepresented, or maybe a budget crisis arose 
afterwards though? But all too often I see inexperienced but well meaning 
people take a job for low pay with the knowledge that there is very little 
budget. Then when the going gets rough a few weeks later they start to 
feel sorry for themselves for working under such bad conditions and quit.

I suppose it's part of the learning process. But you have to be somewhat 
selective before agreeing to take on a project. If the pay is too low, if 
the conditions are poor, or if there isn't any budget then don't take the 
job. But if you do take the job (because you want the experience) then 
just do the best you can, don't feel sorry for yourself, and don't quit!

Boyd Ostroff                          ooo      Opera Company of Philadelphia
Director of Design & Technology     ooooooo        1420 Locust St, Suite 210
ostroff [at] operaphilly.com             ooooooo           Philadelphia, PA 19102
http://tech.operaphilly.com           ooo                (215) 893-3600 x225


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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:08:32 +0400
From: Simon Shuker <simonef [at] emirates.net.ae>
Subject: Re: Design on a budget
In-reply-to: <list-3497933 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <0HYB0056NU2FGU [at] dpmail1.emirates.net.ae>

Good question Paul

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<<Two years ago, I lit a show in which most of the furniture was donated
by IKEA.
(This was after the set designer quit, declaring the set couldn't be
done on such a small budget. Miracles do happen...)

The producers solicited the local store's community-relations officer,
who was happy to make available whatever pieces we needed (including
free delivery), in exchange for full-page ads in the program. The
donation also served as a PR hook for both parties; the NY Post did an
article on how a theater company with limited funds was able to fully
realize their scenery>>

So did the producers try to provide all this support "before" the designer
quit, or did they stand by while the director or whoever made unreasonable
demands until it became an "Oh my god, what are we going to do now wait a
minute my cousin's sister's daughter's husband is the Ikea store manager!"
kind of thing.

Part of the design equation are the budgets... money, time, manpower and
skill levels.

Laters,

Paul

"There's no need for silence," Tom allowed.







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References: <list-3496723 [at] prxy.net> <list-3497933 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <47AFC064-AF29-11D8-A143-000A278CFE92 [at] nyu.edu>
From: Mike Voytko <mv35 [at] nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Design on a budget
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:28:03 -0400

Paul,

Not sure if this plan was hatched before or after the designer bolted.
But guess who ended up producing a working ground plan... (The LD knows 
CAD! Get 'im! :-)

Couldn't agree more that realistic budgeting of all resources, not just 
$$$, is critical. Apparently, this is classified information--or 
heresy--given the paucity of people who understand and heed it...

--
Mike Voytko
Lighting & Sound Supervisor
TSOA Theatrical Production
New York University
<mike.voytko [at] nyu.edu>



On May 26, 2004, at 10:24 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote:

>> <<Two years ago, I lit a show in which most of the furniture was 
>> donated
>> by IKEA.
>> (This was after the set designer quit, declaring the set couldn't be
>> done on such a small budget. Miracles do happen...)
>
>
> So did the producers try to provide all this support "before" the 
> designer
> quit, or did they stand by while the director or whoever made 
> unreasonable
> demands until it became an "Oh my god, what are we going to do now 
> wait a
> minute my cousin's sister's daughter's husband is the Ikea store 
> manager!"
> kind of thing.
>
> Part of the design equation are the budgets... money, time, manpower 
> and
> skill levels.
>
> Laters,
>
> Paul
>
> "There's no need for silence," Tom allowed.
>
>
>
>


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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040526102149.00b6dee8 [at] mail.comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:40:25 -0700
From: Jason Winslow <sparkenter [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Waste Paint disposal
In-Reply-To: <list-3492339 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-3491023 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-3491023 [at] prxy.net>


Here in  Portland a government agency collects latex paint, and recycles it 
into new paint.  The new paint is dirt cheap ($5-$30 for a 5 gallon bucket 
to non profits), and comes in a variety of colors.  The only down side is 
it is all semi gloss, therefore not as useful for on stage, but great for 
any backstage uses.
http://www.metro-region.org/article.cfm?articleid=521

Are we the only ones who do this?
Jason

>Jon,
>
>Here in NY, too.  The state DEP says we have to turn it into a semi-solid to
>dispose of it.  Last month, we had to dispose of about 75 gallons or more of
>latex paint that would not re-mix without chalking up.  Various methods are
>approved in our county, and here are some:

Jason Winslow
sparkenter [at] *no Spam*comcast.net
Master Electrician\ Carpenter
Artist Repertory Theatre
Portland,Oregon


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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:47:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Tent rigging?
From: Scott Sloan <scott [at] scottsloan.net>
Message-ID: <BCDA507C.BAC4%scott [at] scottsloan.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3497972 [at] prxy.net>

>Oh dear, if Bill's having a hard time competing, the rest of us are
>doomed.


Speak for yourself...   (8^)>


--Scott Sloan
  TD/Head Rigger
  Antigravity=AE
  519 West 36th Street
  Skyloft
  NY, NY   10018
  Office (212) 279-0790
  Fax     (212) 279-3119
 <scott [at] anti-gravity.com>
  <www.anti-gravity.com>


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Message-ID: <40B4D83D.4030000 [at] peak.org>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:47:41 -0700
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: Waste Paint disposal
References: <list-3491023 [at] prxy.net> <list-3491023 [at] prxy.net> <list-3499074 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3499074 [at] prxy.net>

Jason Winslow wrote:

> Here in  Portland a government agency collects latex paint, and 
> recycles it into new paint.  The new paint is dirt cheap ($5-$30 for a 
> 5 gallon bucket to non profits), and comes in a variety of colors.  
> The only down side is it is all semi gloss, therefore not as useful 
> for on stage, but great for any backstage uses.
> http://www.metro-region.org/article.cfm?articleid=521
>
> Are we the only ones who do this?


The local waste disposal company in Corvallis used to do the same thing, 
and gave it away free to nonprofits; we routinely picked up buckets of 
sort-of-white, sort-of-tan and sort-of-insitutional-green paint to use 
for basecoats, etc. (It was more or less flat).  I'm not sure whether 
they stopped, or we ran out of uses for pukey-colored paint, but it 
saved us a fair amount of money at the time.
-- 
Pat Kight
Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater
kightp [at] peak.org
http://albanycivic.org



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040526133937.0168d870 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:39:37 -0600
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Digest "back issues" available


>Some of you have wanted to get issues of the digest from the server, 
>which the new server doesn't support. To allow you to get past issues, 
>I've put them up on the web site for download

Merci boucoup monsieur!  I got #13, and am very happy.  I should be more
regular now that I'm back in the U.S., and my spelling should go back to
its original (just plain clumsy) quality.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <40B50148.3050808 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:42:48 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Subject: Re: Waste Paint disposal
References: <list-3491023 [at] prxy.net> <list-3491023 [at] prxy.net> <list-3499074 [at] prxy.net>

Jason,
No, that is done on a twice yearly basis here in Chautauqua County. 
(Western NY) Have never used the renewed paint but it's very inexpensive 
to not-for-profits.
Steve


> Here in  Portland a government agency collects latex paint,d=521
> 
> Are we the only ones who do this?
> Jason
>


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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:44:04 -0700
Subject: OT? Drinking with Finns (was Tent Rigging)
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-3499124 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <6D65951E-AF55-11D8-9F0F-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu>

Anybody who thinks they can keep up with the Finns hasn't been there 
and tried it.  OBTW they had a fabulous wheat Vodka there 15 years ago, 
very smooth and very tasty.  "Tasty" is not an adjective I would have 
used to describe vodka before that experience.  I could never remember 
the name, since it was responsible for destroying the brain cells that 
held the info on my going away party.

Sam
Samuel L. Jones
AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight Developer
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu

==========================================================
On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Scott Sloan wrote:

>
>> Oh dear, if Bill's having a hard time competing, the rest of us are
>> doomed.
>
>
> Speak for yourself...   (8^)>
>
>
>


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From: "josh Foreman" <josh [at] shitkidproductions.com>
Subject: Re: Tent rigging (addendum)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:56:09 -0400
Message-ID: <HOELIFEMDCHHKDOGBKGKIEKPCBAA.josh [at] shitkidproductions.com>

Yes we have conferred with the tent company and the loads placed on the
poles are within the working load allowable of the poles.

We actually use pole clamps provided by the rental house that make the
actual point be about 16" off of the center of the pole.  The clamps
themselves aren't pretty but they do the job.  This year I am wanting to
safety the rig to the top of each pole since the tops have a smaller 3-4"
diameter circular section before the actual pin.

Bill, and all -- I will try to get a hold of the drawings of the truss rig
tomorrow.

Thanks
-- Josh


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Message-ID: <CAAA0A148189D311A7640050DA5F8F1106919841 [at] es.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
Subject: Re: Drinking with Finns 
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:01:40 -0700


Earlier this year we booked a really cool Finnish act called "Semarrit" --
They are kind of the bad boys of Finnish acapella music -- anyway, as
cultural ambassadors they did little to disprove the legendary appetite of
the Finns for alcoholic drinks of all sorts; I think they almost drank the
town dry!

Cheers,

-- r.

Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu 
---------------------------------------------------


>Anybody who thinks they can keep up with the Finns hasn't been there 
>and tried it. 



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Subject: Wireless Intercoms
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:00:12 -0400
Message-ID: <A01ABA2A211C644596549C5FF91C50E42803CE [at] EXEVS02.its.uncc.edu>
From: "Fitch, Tracy" <tfitch [at] email.uncc.edu>

The new Telex wireless are a much better battery design than the old =
ones.=A0 You don't have to pull out the battery sled to replace anymore =
-- it is a snap-on battery pack.=A0 The new Clearcom unit is the exact =
same unit, only made in clearcom white.
=A0
HME also has a new unit -- the 850.=A0 I can't quote exact dealer prices =
but I can tell you that the Telex/Clearcom are quite a bit cheaper =
(multiple thousand dollars).=A0 On the other hand, the HME is more =
configurable and just felt hardier to me in my hands.=A0=20
=A0
HME is a company I hadn't thought about in a long time and it suddenly =
struck me to wonder where they went.=A0 Looking up while picking up a =
drive-through burger, I figured it out.=A0 HME makes most of the =
fastfood intercoms I've seen since I started looking.=A0 I'd say they =
ought to know something about durability working in that environment.
=A0
The general solidity of the unit, previous positive HME experience, and =
that durability made me opt for the HME even thought it does cost a bit =
more.=A0 (probably $11,000 for four packs with two transmit channels =
versus around $9,500 for four packs of the Telex/Clearcom)=A0 Well that =
and learning that Telex is actually the manufacturer making the units =
for themselves and Clearcom.=A0 My experiences with Telex parts/repair =
have been much less than stellar.
--Tracy Fitch
TD, UNC Charlotte; LD, Everywhere Else

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:01:50 -0400
Subject: Re: OT? Drinking with Finns (was Tent Rigging)
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3500149 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <E8C1FADF-AF57-11D8-B5C6-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>


On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, at 16:44 America/New_York, Samuel Jones 
wrote:
>
>
> since it was responsible for destroying the brain cells that held the 
> info on my going away party.
>
> Sam
>

Going away party??? Are you sure it wasn't an assassination attempt?

Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:22:58 -0400
Subject: Crappy cheap-o dimmers
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3500345 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <DC0F4266-AF5A-11D8-B5C6-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

Does anyone have any experience with Sunn Sunn-spot ps-1200 dimmers. 
they are little plug into the wall 4 ckt dimmer packs.

I'm looking for a pdf manual for them. They seem to only have 3 
dipswitches to set their channels. Also they are only 3 pin (DMX) (I 
hope it's dmx)

I'm trying to interface them with a microvision FX that is already 
converting to AMX for some CD-80's. (Yeah I know..I'm looking forward 
to that as well)

it's a fun job I have when I go from a Virtuoso DX to a Microvision FX 
in the same week. now where is that group button....??

TIA,

_herrick



Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:23:27 -0500
From: Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Drinking with Finns
In-reply-to: <list-3500264 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040526161033.00b88430 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu>

We had a group of Finnish singers (Varttina) last fall and they wanted us 
to supply them with a bottle of vodka before the performance.  We didn't 
and they still went on with the show.
Fred F.



>Earlier this year we booked a really cool Finnish act called "Semarrit" --
>They are kind of the bad boys of Finnish acapella music -- anyway, as
>cultural ambassadors they did little to disprove the legendary appetite of
>the Finns for alcoholic drinks of all sorts; I think they almost drank the
>town dry!
>
>Cheers,
>
>-- r.
>
>Randy Storms
>rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu
>---------------------------------------------------


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From: LITETROL [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <86.ce11d4c.2de66c48 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:55:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Crappy cheap-o dimmers(Sunn)

In a message dated 5/26/04 5:23:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com writes:

<< I'm looking for a pdf manual for them. They seem to only have 3 
dipswitches to set their channels. Also they are only 3 pin (DMX) (I hope it's dmx) >>

Herrick, Sunn products typically use "MicroPlex" or "NSI" protocol.  15 volts 
on 2 of the pins and data on the 3rd pin.  You'll probably need something 
like an NSI 501 converter, to send DMX into this unit.  The good news?  The 501 
is self-powered from the Sunn dimmer pack....

steve short
steve [at] litetrol.com
1 800 548 3876 (LITETRO)
fax 516 681 7288
lite-trol service company, inc.
485 w. john street
Hicksville  NY  11801

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:34:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Crappy cheap-o dimmers(Sunn)
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3500674 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <E4BE49EF-AF64-11D8-B5C6-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

Oh dear I was afraid of that. Thanks for the info!


On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, at 17:55 America/New_York, LITETROL [at] aol.com 
wrote:
>
> Herrick, Sunn products typically use "MicroPlex" or "NSI" protocol.  
> 15 volts
> on 2 of the pins and data on the 3rd pin.  You'll probably need 
> something
> like an NSI 501 converter, to send DMX into this unit.  The good news? 
>  The 501
> is self-powered from the Sunn dimmer pack....
>
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


------------------------------

Message-ID: <40B58155.2050407 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:49:09 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart
References: <list-3433023 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3433023 [at] prxy.net>

Wood Chip-P26398 wrote:
> 
> My Dad and Mom owned and ran one of those "local"
> hardware stores

Snip

> They could not buy
> wholesale for what the boxes' retail prices were.

It isn't the volume buying...

I was buying denim shorts and work shirts at wal-mart, but 
the denim has become so thin that it fails in a month or so 
and the shirts are translucent with the fourth washing.

Wal Mart, and other retailers who force costs down to the 
point where cheapening the quality of the product is the 
only place left to cut _should_ eventually get their 
comuppance when the consumers decide it is better to pay 
twice as much for denim shorts that last two years.

Stuart



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Message-ID: <40B5848A.6000902 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 02:02:50 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Tent rigging?
References: <list-3495475 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3495475 [at] prxy.net>

Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote:

> Bill
> (Currently in Helsinki trying to uphold the American reputation for being 
> able to drink with the best of them, but these Finns are tough competition.)


Hyva! Brother  Hyva!

Gulp down as much terve snapsit as you can, keep them from 
ever exporting that stuff, the safety of the free world is 
in your hands!

Kiitos!

Stuart



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