Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #20 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 03:00:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #20 1. Re: Wireless Intercoms by Shawn Palmer 2. by "Jason McDaniel" 3. For Jason by Boyd Ostroff 4. Re: Mom and Pop stores by "Paul Guncheon" 5. A Question about Trap Lifts by "Jason McDaniel" 6. Re: Bill in Helsinki by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: A Question about Trap Lifts by "Booth, Dennis" 8. Re: Mom and Pop stores by Kevin Lee Allen 9. Stagecraft list by "Dougherty, Jim" 10. Re: A Question about Trap Lifts by Chip Haas 11. budgets by b Ricie 12. Re: Tent rigging? by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 13. Re: A Question about Trap Lifts by Steve Larson 14. Re: budgets by "Joe Meils" 15. Pub Etiquette by Steve Larson 16. Re: budgets by "Matthew Breton" 17. Moving light consoles? by "Scott C. Parker" 18. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Paul Schreiner" 19. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Rachel Kinsman Steck" 20. Subject Lines & Traps by "Stephen E. Rees" 21. VR 1000s by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 22. Re: Moving light consoles? by rwhitco [at] comcast.net 23. Traps by Shawn Palmer 24. Re: VR 1000s by Herrick 25. Re: Jamming inside Theatres by 26. Re: A Question about Trap Lifts by "Jason McDaniel" 27. Re: Pub Etiquette by Stephen Litterst 28. Re: Digest "back issues" available by Dave Bowman 29. Carpenter Position Open by Chris Fretts 30. Re: Moving light consoles? by "C. Andrew Dunning" 31. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Scott C. Parker" 32. Re: Moving light consoles? by "C. Andrew Dunning" 33. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Randy Whitcomb" 34. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Joseph Fertitta" 35. Carpenters Needed-ASAP by "Stephen E. Rees" 36. Re: Pub Etiquette by "Tony Deeming" 37. Re: Spinning Flats by Stuart Wheaton 38. Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 39. Prepare for an aneurism... by "Big Fred Schoening" 40. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by David Marks 41. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by Shawn Palmer 42. Re: Donations from the giants of retail by Stuart Wheaton 43. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Mike Brubaker 44. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Rigger 45. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by Rigger 46. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by "Big Fred Schoening" 47. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by 48. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by "James JG Kosmatka" 49. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 50. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Daryl Redmon" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <40B5DEE5.2000103 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:28:21 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Wireless Intercoms References: In-Reply-To: Speaking of wireless com, does anyone have a clue what the cheaper HME DX 200 costs? Not a lot of info online... Thanks, Shawn Palmer Pickard Civic Auditorium Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ From: "Jason McDaniel" Subject: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: Hello, Jason McDaniel here at NC School of the Arts. This is my first real post. I would like to say that I am very appreciative of this forum, and would like to give a special thanks to the Moderator. I was hoping I could use the experience of the members of this list to help in my current automation research. My thesis topic is the evaluation of trap lift systems. This includes all the mechanization, the elevator/lift and trap covering methods. I am currently collecting all the information I can from our fellow practitioners, periodicals, books, ect. If you have a bit of time, I would love to hear your views on the subject. I know time is precious, especially at this point in our seasons, but anything you have time for would be greatly appreciated. I have explored the past postings of the Stagecraft mailing list and found a great deal of information. What I need now are pictures, drawings, and real-world knowledge of what has been successful for your companies, as well as information about your leaning experiences through error. It is my intent to compile this data into a form to be evaluated for efficiency, accuracy, affordability, etc. I can be contacted off list if you like. Sincerely, Jason McDaniel Stagexing [at] msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: For Jason In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 May 2004, Jason McDaniel wrote: > Hello, Jason McDaniel here at NC School of the Arts. This is my first > real post. Hi Jason and welcome to the list. I can't help with your inquiry, but would just like to suggest that you include a subject line in your post next time. Your message appeared with a blank subject; aside from making it hard to know what you want, it also makes your message look like spam.... Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c443ef$919fa4e0$2a02a8c0 [at] laptop> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Mom and Pop stores Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:36:08 -1000 "Home centers are designed for the do-it-yourselfer who's willing to pay higher prices for the convenience of being able to shop for lumber, hardware, and toasters all in one location. Notice I say "shop for", as opposed to "obtain". This is the major drawback of home centers: they are always out of everything except artificial Christmas trees. The home center employees have no time to reorder merchandise because they are too busy applying little price stickers to every object -- every board, washer, nail and screw -- in the entire store ... Let's say a piece in your toilet tank breaks, so you remove the broken part, take it to the home center, and ask an employee if he has a replacement. The employee, who has never is his life even seen the inside of a toilet tank, will peer at the broken part in very much the same way that a member of a primitive Amazon jungle tribe would look at an electronic calculator, and then say, "We're expecting a shipment of these sometime around the middle of next week"." -- Dave Barry, "The Taming of the Screw" I have found the best hardware store here to be a small one called Yamashiro's. I was a bit disappointed when they became an "Ace" hardware, but they still have most everything and have a truly knowing staff. Their prices tend to be lower than Home Depot for hardware. I don't buy lumber from them though as the quality is pretty bad, which I have mentioned to them more than once. They also don't sell t-nuts by the box. Maybe it's a religious thing. Laters, Paul "I want a motorized bicycle," Tom moped. ------------------------------ From: "Jason McDaniel" Subject: A Question about Trap Lifts Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:41:52 -0400 Message-ID: Hello, Jason McDaniel here at NC School of the Arts. This is my first real post. I would like to say that I am very appreciative of this forum, and would like to give a special thanks to the Moderator. I was hoping I could use the experience of the members of this list to help in my current automation research. My thesis topic is the evaluation of trap lift systems. This includes all the mechanization, the elevator/lift and trap covering methods. I am currently collecting all the information I can from our fellow practitioners, periodicals, books, ect. If you have a bit of time, I would love to hear your views on the subject. I know time is precious, especially at this point in our seasons, but anything you have time for would be greatly appreciated. I have explored the past postings of the Stagecraft mailing list and found a great deal of information. What I need now are pictures, drawings, and real-world knowledge of what has been successful for your companies, as well as information about your leaning experiences through error. It is my intent to compile this data into a form to be evaluated for efficiency, accuracy, affordability, etc. I can be contacted off list if you like. Sincerely, Jason McDaniel Stagexing [at] msn.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c443f0$5f6b0e00$2a02a8c0 [at] laptop> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Bill in Helsinki Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:41:53 -1000 > Bill > (Currently in Helsinki trying to uphold the American reputation for being > able to drink with the best of them, but these Finns are tough competition.) I've tied ribbons around all the trees on my block (rolling prussik granny hitches) and am currently working on new lyrics to "We Are the World" for the video. Laters, Paul "I can do an excellent impression of Sinatra," said Tom, being perfectly frank. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A Question about Trap Lifts Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:43:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Booth, Dennis" Hmmm... he learns quick! DGB Dennis Gill Booth, Technical Director North Carolina School of the Arts=20 School of Design and Production=20 1553 South Main Street=20 PO Box 12189=20 Winston-Salem, NC 27117-2189=20 * Voice: (336)770-3232 x127=20 * FAX: (336)770-3213=20 * Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu=20 * D&P URL: http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/=20 * Faculty URL: http://faculty.ncarts.edu/dandp/booth/ -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jason McDaniel Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: A Question about Trap Lifts For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Hello, Jason McDaniel here at NC School of the Arts. This is my first real post. I would like to say that I am very appreciative of this forum, and would like to give a special thanks to the Moderator. =20 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <79F76852-AFE6-11D8-8B95-003065D2C502 [at] klad.com> From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Mom and Pop stores Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:02:23 -0400 Ace is just a buying cooperative, not a chain. I find some of this discussion ironic, since everyone I know in this=20 business is an entrepreneur, like the proprietor of the local hardware=20= store. There are times when only a big box has what is needed, but in=20 most cases, better products, better service and real information can be=20= obtained at a specialty store. prices aren't that much different and=20 like in our business, you get what you pay for. The small stores also seem to be able to offer better wages and=20 benefits to their employees. On May 27, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote: > I have found the best hardware store here to be a small one called > Yamashiro's. I was a bit disappointed when they became an "Ace"=20 > hardware, > but they still have most everything and have a truly knowing staff. =20= > Their > prices tend to be lower than Home Depot for hardware. I don't buy=20 > lumber > from them though as the quality is pretty bad, which I have mentioned=20= > to > them more than once. > > They also don't sell t-nuts by the box. > > Maybe it's a religious thing. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.cell klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Subject: Stagecraft list Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3C0B8A669CB61042968C367F36A2BAEC4DDCCA [at] bengal.middlebury.edu> From: "Dougherty, Jim" I love to be reminded of why I so enjoy reading this list. Where else = can one read phrases like, "the bad boys of Finnish acapella music" and = know that the writer not only knows who they are but has gone out = drinking with them? I wonder, do they have reindeer in black leather = with tattoos? Thanks, Randy! - Jim Dougherty=20 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <17BA12E4-AFE8-11D8-A9F3-000A9583899E [at] bsu.edu> From: Chip Haas Subject: Re: A Question about Trap Lifts Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:13:57 -0500 Try to contact Chris Fretts at Indiana Rep Theatre. 1-317-635-5277 email is cfretts [at] indianarep.com (I think). I know they do a lot of elevator lifts there. Chip Haas Technical Director / Assistant Professor of Theatre Department of Theatre and Dance Ball State University Muncie, IN 47306 765-285-0978 chaas [at] bsu.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040527142326.39024.qmail [at] web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: budgets In-Reply-To: Large and small are very subjective terms when it comes to talking about budgets. A $1000.00 budget would be a tiny budget to some while I would consider it large. No matter what the budget the reality of its size should become apparent when all the homework is done at which point the scissors should come out or the wallet should open a little further. There should also be a bit of "slush-ability" among a tight design team and their budgets. ("hey lighting, you gonna use all your budget? Or can you slosh some my way?") My newest saying this past semester became " Exploit your resources...EVERYTHING is your resource." Sometimes money is not the only answer and just a bit of creative thinking will do. ===== Brian Rice b_ricie [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.215b9f99.2de7544e [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:25:18 EDT Subject: Re: Tent rigging? In a message dated 5/27/04 2:04:31 AM, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net writes: << Gulp down as much terve snapsit as you can, keep them from ever exporting that stuff, the safety of the free world is in your hands! >> You are speaking to the wrong person, my friend. I actually like the stuff. I plan on bringing home my limit. For those who don't know, terve snapsit (or terwasnappsi) is a liqueur made from pine tar. Tastes just like you would expect it would. Needless to say, it's an acquired taste. be well Bill Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:54:55 -0400 Subject: Re: A Question about Trap Lifts From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Playmakers Rep at Chapel Hill uses a lift several times a season. Steve on 5/27/04 10:13 AM, Chip Haas at chaas [at] bsu.edu wrote: > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Try to contact Chris Fretts at Indiana Rep Theatre. 1-317-635-5277 > email is cfretts [at] indianarep.com (I think). I know they do a lot of > elevator lifts there. > > Chip Haas > Technical Director / Assistant Professor of Theatre > Department of Theatre and Dance > Ball State University > Muncie, IN 47306 > > 765-285-0978 > > chaas [at] bsu.edu > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c443fa$d7619c80$86ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: budgets Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:56:49 -0500 b Ricie, Very true! In addition to your credo of "EVERYTHING is a resource," you might also help those around you cultivate the fine art of dumpster diving, using found objects as primary set peices, and the transformation of household and dollar store items into period or futuristic objects. ----- Original Message ----- From: "b Ricie" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: budgets > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Large and small are very subjective terms when it > comes to talking about budgets. A $1000.00 budget > would be a tiny budget to some while I would consider > it large. No matter what the budget the reality of its > size should become apparent when all the homework is > done at which point the scissors should come out or > the wallet should open a little further. There should > also be a bit of "slush-ability" among a tight design > team and their budgets. ("hey lighting, you gonna use > all your budget? Or can you slosh some my way?") > My newest saying this past semester became " Exploit > your resources...EVERYTHING is your resource." > Sometimes money is not the only answer and just a bit > of creative thinking will do. > > ===== > Brian Rice > b_ricie [at] yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:59:02 -0400 Subject: Pub Etiquette From: Steve Larson Message-ID: For those of you who are pub crawlers, and I know there are many on this list you might find this site interesting and/or amusing. Some may find this should have been taught in school. http://www.sirc.org/publik/pub.html Steve ------------------------------ From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: budgets Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:02:40 -0400 Message-ID: > Very true! In addition to your credo of "EVERYTHING is a resource," >you >might also help those around you cultivate the fine art of dumpster diving, >using found objects as primary set peices, and the transformation of >household and dollar store items into period or futuristic objects. And don't forget the fine art of asking politely if you can borrow something. This applies not only to set pieces, props and costumes, but to all sorts of production resources as well. "Hey, Jack, could you make a couple of photocopies at your office? Buy you a drink on Friday" can do wonders. Especially when Jack has a full-scale plotter.... Matthew Breton Technical Director Green Street Studios _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040527111821.08230280 [at] mail.hstech.org> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:21:03 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: Moving light consoles? In-Reply-To: References:

Greetings. I've just come into about 4 grand and am looking for a basic moving light console. We own 3 technobeams iris units and 4 ellipscan moving mirror heads. I'm assuming we'll get more lights in the future. Our current board is the Express 48/96 and we've been able to do basic programing so far. Any recommendations would be much appreciated. Thanks, Scott Scott C. Parker Production Designer/Technical Director High School Tech Production Web Site hstech~AT~hstech.org High Schoolers: come visit the HS Tech Web Site... http://www.hstech.org Our Mission: To assist High School Technical Theater students in their desire to learn about, create, and execute theatrical productions. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200405271528.i4RFSLL3027766 [at] tshield.longwood.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:28:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: > I've just come into about 4 grand and am looking for a basic > moving light console. We own 3 technobeams iris units and 4 > ellipscan moving mirror heads. I'm assuming we'll get more > lights in the future. I don't have any firsthand experience with them, but number one on my list for when we get the funding to purchase a small ML console of our own is the FatFrog from Zero88. I've heard a lot of good things about them (and don't recall any negative comments), so if anyone has experience on this particular board I'd love to hear more about them as well... Paul Schreiner Technical Director, Longwood University Theatre 434.395.2250 ICQ# 2269284 ------------------------------ From: "Rachel Kinsman Steck" Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:48:21 -0700 Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <000001c44402$0a0ffda0$7b2cdf80 [at] rksteck1> In-Reply-To: Hello, I have used the ETC Express boards for moving lights in the past and in fact will continue to use an ETC Express with the Emphasis as we have just received two Revolutions. I think, in general, the Express is a bit clumsy for moving lights in that it is more time consuming than using, say, a Wholehog. If I could, I would purchase something like a Hog 500. Sincerely, Rachel Kinsman Steck Ph.D. Candidate Department of Theater Arts University of Oregon ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B617AD.3000104 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:30:37 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Subject Lines & Traps References: Jason, About the subject line - I had dumped your msg as spam before I read Boyd's note and retrieved it from the trash. Please (everybody) use a subject line. As far as trap lifts are concerned,I've had experience with two that worked pretty well. One was a C/W platform about 3' square that rode on 4 vertical tracks of 2" angle and had the lifting force applied by a horizontal block and tackle running 5/8" line with a 3:1 mechanical advantage. Travel was about 7' - 8' and was pretty smooth and quite fast depending on how fast the line was pulled. A second variation was needed for a production of Dracula and there was not any room for any gear under the stage except what occupied the footprint of the coffin. I rented a small JLG personnel lift (model # forgotten) and removed the railings (w/ permission of rental house). Travel was only about 3' given height of unit and the operator just pushed the buttons on the pickle that came with the machine. I was surprised at how cheap this was compared to actually building the gag. HTH, (say hi to Jack Miller for me, please.) Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FDEA [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: VR 1000s Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:24:54 -0700 I'm just wondering how the VR1000s that Ron was using worked out. Not the profile/operation point of view, but the how-good-is-the-fixture-really point of view. I'm interested in them for my venue (in a few years time), and am curious. How quiet are they? Do the fans turn on when they are on? Etc etc. We're a concert hall with superb acoustics (for unamplified sound), and fan noise is apparent. thanks Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:30:49 +0000 Message-Id: <052720041630.8866.40B617B90009318A000022A22200750744010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> Scott, We've been using HogPC for 3 years now and bought the programming wing this past fall. It's a powerful program and my students pick it up pretty quickly. We run it from a laptop and the whole kit and caboodle fits into a large rolling notebook case so we can easily move it where we need it. On stage for focus, in the house for tech and in the booth for shows. This month for Peter Pan we used one of our StudioSpot 250's for Tink. My sophmore board op ran it live using the trackball on the programming wing, and hit all her marks each night. She had only run lights for one other show before this. I really like this system. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Greetings. > I've just come into about 4 grand and am looking for a basic moving light > console. We own 3 technobeams iris units and 4 ellipscan moving mirror > heads. I'm assuming we'll get more lights in the future. > Our current board is the Express 48/96 and we've been able to do basic > programing so far. > Any recommendations would be much appreciated. > Thanks, Scott > > > > Scott C. Parker > Production Designer/Technical Director > High School Tech Production Web Site > hstech~AT~hstech.org > > High Schoolers: come visit the HS Tech Web Site... http://www.hstech.org > > Our Mission: To assist High School Technical Theater students in their > desire to learn about, create, and execute theatrical productions. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B61CE7.2050205 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:52:55 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Traps References:

In-Reply-To: Jason, I use a lever actuated elevator trap, as detailed in the USITT source guides. http://info.nwmissouri.edu/~pimmel/usitt/source_guide/index.htm The first time I used it was for a production of The Actor's Nightmare. It looks great, and was easy to use. I kept all the components, of course, so it is easily reused. Shawn Palmer Pickard Civic Auditorium Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: Re: VR 1000s From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <97844E64-AFFE-11D8-B609-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com> Andrew, VR or VL1000? On Thursday, May 27, 2004, at 12:24 America/New_York, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > > I'm just wondering how the VR1000s that Ron was using worked out. Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Jamming inside Theatres Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:57:05 -0400 Message-Id: <20040522185704.KYQL6178.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net> > In Eudora, Tools -> Options -> Display, un-check the box that > says "Automatically download HTML Graphics". > I read all my email in plain text mode if possible - its just > easier on my eyes. Unfortunately, I think that I am one of > the very few who do. Hey, I do too... I think we've jsut started another 'Olde Phartes' club. I too, read in plain text, and do it with Eud 3.0.5... Hey, I like it better. CB in Deutschland P.S. I didn't see #13, and it ain't in the archives, but I see references to stuff I didn't see in the previous twelve digests (AS). Someon pop it out to me in the next few minutes if you have it handy? It's 1:52 PM AZ time (Uhm... Mountain Non-Daylights-Savings Time, what would we do with the extra daylight?) and 8:30PM here, or minus two Greenwich, or 6:30 ZULU, whichever gets you to sleep at night. Thanks! CB AD ------------------------------ From: "Jason McDaniel" References: Subject: Re: A Question about Trap Lifts Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: I have learned my lesson in regards to the subject line. The blank subject line slip through while attempting to get the correct posting format. It has now been resolved. Thanks for the tips on Chapel Hill, and Indiana Rep. I have visited both of those systems already, they are fine examples. I also just want to publicly say the staff at both of those theatres were very accommodating, gracious and informative, thanks. Jason McDaniel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:20:54 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Pub Etiquette Message-id: <40B62376.B4DAAE10 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Steve Larson wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > For those of you who are pub crawlers, and I know > there are many on this list you might find this > site interesting and/or amusing. Some may find > this should have been taught in school. > > http://www.sirc.org/publik/pub.html Thanks, Steve. I'm getting ready for a trip over the pond this summer, and realized I haven't been since I was too young to enter a pub (and I intend to make up lost time this trip). This will help. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B62F98.2010404 [at] syr.edu> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:12:40 -0400 From: Dave Bowman Organization: Syracuse Stage/SU Drama Subject: Re: Digest "back issues" available References: In-Reply-To: Hey CB, I think I can speak for quite a few of us who really don't want to know about your regularity....... CB wrote: >Merci boucoup monsieur! I got #13, and am very happy. I should be more >regular now that I'm back in the U.S., and my spelling should go back to >its original (just plain clumsy) quality. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > dave B. -- David M. Bowman Syracuse Stage / SU Drama Master Electrician / Adj. Professor dmbowman [at] syr.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Chris Fretts Subject: Carpenter Position Open Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:34:07 -0500 CARPENTER: LORT Theatre is seeking Scene Shop Carpenter to join our 6 person shop staff for 2004-2005 season. Applicant should possess good woodworking skills; experience in welding and/or rigging helpful. LORT/professional experience preferred. No running crew assignments. Hourly wage with overtime and benefits. Dates: July 26 - May 8. . Mail, Fax or E-mail letter, resume and references to: Chris Fretts, Technical Director, Indiana Repertory Theatre, 140 West Washington Street, Indianapolis, IN 46204. Fax: 317/236-0767 E-Mail: cfretts [at] indianarep.com ------------------------------ From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:50:05 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Scott - I'd do one of two things: 1) Buy a used Hog 500 or 1000. 2) Buy a Widget, a Programming Wing, and a Playback Wing - and use Hog PC. Either way, you'll find that the Hog system is incredibly easy to learn/teach. You'll also find that there are a lot of Hog programmers around who can help to get you up-to-speed. Regards - C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040527150126.05168aa0 [at] mail.hstech.org> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:03:05 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? In-Reply-To: References:

Thanks to all. About the HogPC. Does one really need the Playback wing for hitting a go button? Is it possible to do the programing of cues and then playback on the computer keyboard? Difficult? Is there any playback at all on the programing wing? Thanks, Scott Scott C. Parker Production Designer/Technical Director High School Tech Production Web Site hstech~AT~hstech.org High Schoolers: come visit the HS Tech Web Site... http://www.hstech.org Our Mission: To assist High School Technical Theater students in their desire to learn about, create, and execute theatrical productions. ------------------------------ From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:30:42 -0500 Organization: Landru Design Message-Id: >About the HogPC. Does one really need the Playback wing for hitting a >go button? >Is it possible to do the programming of cues and then playback on the >computer keyboard? Difficult? >Is there any playback at all on the programming wing? You don't NEED either of the wings. They just make programming/playback easier. All that you really need is the Widget and the software. If you had to choose, I'd try for a Widget and a Programming Wing. That might be able to be done for $4000. (Assuming that you already have the PC.) C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c44426$549df2e0$43cea143 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References:

Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:08:04 -0600 The programming wing makes programming much faster. Once we have the show programmed, we will often leave the wing locked up and just run the show from the laptop. You can still edit if you need to. Download the software and try it. Once the show is programmed you just hit the space bar for Go. You should be able to get the widget and the wing for under $4k. Check with Prod. Advantage. One of my graduates just got a nice internship with a big Florida Theme Park. She spent 20 minutes after the interview was over talking to their lighting guy. Turns out they use HogPc for the smaller venues. He was very impressed that she's used the software. Apparently none of the staff have been trained on it yet. She's not even a theatre major. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott C. Parker" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks to all. > About the HogPC. Does one really need the Playback wing for hitting a go > button? > Is it possible to do the programing of cues and then playback on the > computer keyboard? Difficult? > Is there any playback at all on the programing wing? > Thanks, Scott > > > Scott C. Parker > Production Designer/Technical Director > High School Tech Production Web Site > hstech~AT~hstech.org > > High Schoolers: come visit the HS Tech Web Site... http://www.hstech.org > > Our Mission: To assist High School Technical Theater students in their > desire to learn about, create, and execute theatrical productions. > ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Fertitta" Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: I would have to agree with Mr. Dunning. A used Hog 500 or 1000 would be an excellent purchase (I for one prefer this to the HOG PC as I am like to have the actual console at my finger tips, I find it easier to manipulate things, I also find it to be much more time efficient.) I am not sure of the current pricing of these units, but the GrandMA Ultra-Lite would be an amazing console to begin learning and using moving lights with. It is the large format GrandMA console (a console that I would venture to say would be the most popular moving light console in the market (and I have experience on the Hog3, MAXXYZ, Express, Expression, Obsession II, and Strand 500 and 300 series for moving light work). So I would take a look at the Ultra-Lite as an option. To bring up an earlier console, I have also heard amazing things about the Fat Frog as an introductory level ML console. Hope this was of some help, Joseph Fertitta R.M.E High School For Performing and Visual Arts Houston, TX TD&P University of Cincinnati - College Conservatory of Music Cincinnati, OH _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B65F88.1040904 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:37:12 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Carpenters Needed-ASAP Hi, The Summer Opera Theatre Co., Inc. of Washington D.C., is seeking applicants for additional non-union carpenter positions that have become available. The company works in the Hartke Theatre of The Catholic University of America and is doing Otello and Suor Angelica/Impresario this season. Locals residents are preferred but there is housing for out of town persons. The jobs start next week. The Otello has been built and will be delivered on the 3rd of June. It opens on June 20th. Suor/Imp will be built in-house and opens mid-July. Contact the party below for more complete information. DON'T CONTACT ME - I'M JUST THE MIDDLEMAN. Contact: Deanne Walter, Administrative Director Summer Opera Theatre Co. Voice: (202) 526-1669 E-mail: webmaster [at] summeropera.org Thanks in advance. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02a101c4443e$0682c0f0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Pub Etiquette Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:57:45 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litterst" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Pub Etiquette > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Steve Larson wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > For those of you who are pub crawlers, and I know > > there are many on this list you might find this > > site interesting and/or amusing. Some may find > > this should have been taught in school. > > > > http://www.sirc.org/publik/pub.html > > Thanks, Steve. I'm getting ready for a trip over the pond this > summer, and realized I haven't been since I was too young to enter a > pub (and I intend to make up lost time this trip). This will help. > > Steve L. > -- Whereabouts you headed over the ocean? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B69305.5080106 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:16:53 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Spinning Flats References: In-Reply-To: Steve Swaddling wrote: > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I am constructing 12 1'X8' flats which will rotate on a center axis. The set > is painted on both sides and when the change occurs each 1' panel will > rotate. I am trying to find out what angle I need to make the sides of the > panels so they rotate without catching on each others edges. So the pieces > would look like this: > > XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX > XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX > XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX > XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX > Flat 1 Flat 2 > Anyone know the angle? > > Going over a week's worth of list from being out of the country... Did you ever get your help? It looks to me that the angle could be whatever you choose, probably in a reasonable and easy to cut range of 30-45 degrees, as long as all the panels are linked and turn together. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15c.35b368ab.2de8035a [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:52:10 EDT Subject: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) This evening Wisconsin Public Television showed a program on the problems of the recording industry. One fact cited on the show is that Best Buy, Target and Wal-Mart together account for well over 50% of retail CD sales in the USA. Wal-Mart censors what it will sell thus forcing recording artists and record companies to create a "product" rather than an "art". Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is acceptable in the music biz? Given that this IS currently happening, how long will it be until some entity forces the live theatre world to do the same? Are we already doing so? I'd like to think that the adults in the world are able to decide whether to buy a CD or not without needing someone else to sanitize it for their consumption. BTW... I found this to be quite hypoctitical as my mom buys all her "romance" novels there and the key to writing a good one according to Barbara Cortland was to have the female lead "ravished" [i.e. raped] within the first 100 pages. Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Big Fred Schoening" Subject: Prepare for an aneurism... Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:22:02 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c44462$f20eb370$270110ac [at] PRODIGALBRAIN> ...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda miss him. Does he know the List is back up? Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them." - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B6B1C9.50300 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:28:09 -0400 From: David Marks Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... References: Big Fred Schoening wrote: >...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda >miss him. Does he know the List is back up? > > Hush your mouth! He's still alive, posting irregularly on the rats newsgroup. Dave Marks Hempfield UMC Lancaster, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B6B2C8.4000108 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:32:24 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... References: In-Reply-To: > ...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda > miss him. Does he know the List is back up? > > > > Fred > > "Big Fred" Schoening I was wondering the same thing... Shawn Palmer Pickard Civic Auditorium Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B6B444.5020508 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:38:44 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Donations from the giants of retail References:

In-Reply-To: Tony Deeming wrote: > I've found that many companies (in the UK) will be happy to donate goods and > services either free or for ads or at a good discount if you just take the > time to ask the right people in the right way. > OK you'll get more rejections than successes, but when I've been serious > about going on the scrounge I usually turn up much of what I need! > > You GOT to have the cheek of the devil, sometimes, tho! The more bizarre your need, the easier... For a show I TD'd a few years ago, I got 40 feet of railroad rail, 600# of large rocks and the back half of a 60's plymouth. Total bill: 6 pairs of tickets, and I had to leave a deposit for the scrap value of the rail with the railroad, paid $60 for towing the 1/2 car back and forth from the junkyard, and returned the rocks and rails at the end of the show. (Why would I want to have to store or dispose of them?) Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040527223730.02bb8278 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:40:39 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) In-Reply-To: References: It seems to me that any theatre that relies on an audience to pay its bills, especially in smaller cities and towns, is already producing a product rather than "art." Many academic theatres have been able to produce material that is less appealing to an audience--although that has been changing, too. But the theatres here choose their scripts largely based on what their audiences will come and see. Mike At 09:52 PM 5/27/2004, Kristi wrote: >Given that this IS currently happening, how long will it be until some entity >forces the live theatre world to do the same? Are we already doing so? ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:58:44 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) At 10:52 PM -0400 5/27/04, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is > acceptable in the music biz? That would be a no-brainer in a perfect world. Unfortunately, this ain't a perfect world and once again WallyWorld feels yet another opportunity to flex its 800-lb gorilla muscles and dictate behavior. Sorry, Michael Powers... I don't care what you and your lovely wife or anyone else think. WalMart is Evil and must die. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:00:44 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... At 10:22 PM -0500 5/27/04, Big Fred Schoening wrote: > ...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda > miss him. Bite your tongue! It's nice and (mostly) quiet here... > Does he know the List is back up? He knows; the announcements on RATS were clear enough that even one as obtuse as Frank couldn't miss it. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: "Big Fred Schoening" Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:13:53 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c4446a$33368650$270110ac [at] PRODIGALBRAIN> In-Reply-To: Kristi asked, "Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is acceptable in the music biz? " That's a sticky question. Even though my gut reaction is "no, they shouldn't," I must admit that if *I* owned a store, I wouldn't want anybody telling me what I could or couldn't sell in it (to a certain extent.) I think it's scary that Wal-Mart does have that kind of influence, and for that reason I will never-in-a-million-years buy any music or videos there. Me, I put my money where I know I can get uncensored art, and hope that enough others do the same to keep it profitable. (I'm also alarmed by the whole RFID issue, and since they're the first to start testing this technology there, I really don't go there at all any more.) "Given that this IS currently happening, how long will it be until some entity forces the live theatre world to do the same? Are we already doing so?" Yes we are. And we're doing it to ourselves. As an example, for the month or two leading up to our (the Dallas Theater Center) finally choosing a season, we got fairly regular updates on what the proposed upcoming season consisted of. For a long time it looked like we were going to do _Take Me Out_. Unfortunately, it didn't make the cut. Word has it that it was too controversial. There are those who say that the board of directors was swayed by the small but very vocal minority of people who objected strenuously to our presentation of _Topdog/Underdog_ (another controversial play that we presented a few months ago.) So yes, it happens. The larger an audience you have, and the more you depend on their money, the more you have to worry about taking risks. So I think it's natural that smaller theatres are going to do the edgier stuff, while the larger ones play it safer. "I'd like to think that the adults in the world are able to decide whether to buy a CD or not without needing someone else to sanitize it for their consumption." I'd like to think lots of good things about the people currently inhabiting this planet, but driving in Dallas anywhere near rush-hour makes me start daydreaming again about mounting a harpoon gun on my truck. Who's up for some SUV whaling? Extra points if they're talking on the phone. Thanks, Kristi! Good question! Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them." - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 0:48:52 -0400 Message-Id: <20040528044852.DYWF1534.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01> > ...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda > miss him. Does he know the List is back up? > > Oddly enough, other than the "kinda miss him" part I was thinking the exact same thing this afternoon. Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002b01c4446f$452d93d0$6502a8c0 [at] JAMES> From: "James JG Kosmatka" References: Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:50:16 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- > Given that this IS currently happening, how long will it be until some entity > forces the live theatre world to do the same? Are we already doing so? Were we ever not doing so? The Greeks wrote plays to win prizes. (Though, of course, comparing Greek theatre to ours is like comparing Greek farming to ours.) Albee couldn't get The Zoo Story produced in America and Brecht, among others, had to face the HUAC. The "good old days" is only two-thirds right. -james kosmatka ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <77.2aa0c81e.2de81f45 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:51:17 EDT Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... In a message dated 5/28/04 12:12:03 AM, rigger [at] tds.net writes: << He knows; the announcements on RATS were clear enough that even one as obtuse as Frank couldn't miss it. >> I'm sure I'll see him at ABTT next month. Anything y'all want me to tell him? Bill Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c44473$c68e5140$6400a8c0 [at] DADS> From: "Daryl Redmon" References:

Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:22:30 -0700 Scott this console my not be as popular but for a small console you might consider the Lepercon lx-24 or lx-48. My church just purchased this and it is designed for the smaller environment. I found the learning curve to be quite quick. We went from not having any experince with ml to having a easter program with ml being used in a 2 week period. Daryl Redmon Ya. I know this console don't have the wide spread appeal that the Hog has but great bang for the buck. > > Greetings. > I've just come into about 4 grand and am looking for a basic moving light > console. We own 3 technobeams iris units and 4 ellipscan moving mirror > heads. I'm assuming we'll get more lights in the future. > Our current board is the Express 48/96 and we've been able to do basic > programing so far. > Any recommendations would be much appreciated. > Thanks, Scott > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #20 ****************************