Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #21 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 03:00:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #21 1. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Kevin Lee Allen 2. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Kevin Lee Allen 3. Re: Terve Snapsit (Was Tent rigging?) by "Romaine, Ken" 4. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Stuart Wheaton 5. things for the public to review by "Karl G. Ruling" 6. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by IAEG [at] aol.com 7. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by IAEG [at] aol.com 8. Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") by "Romaine, Ken" 9. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Jerry Durand 10. Re: Moving light Consoles by Jason Tollefson 11. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by "Joe Meils" 12. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by Chris Davis 13. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Tony Miller 14. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by "Joe Meils" 15. Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") by "Steven Haworth" 16. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by 17. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by "Hofmann, Christopher" 18. Re: Moving light Consoles by Stephen Litterst 19. Re: Prepare for an aneurism... by "Nigel Worsley" 20. Re: Moving light Consoles by "Joseph Fertitta" 21. Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") by "Joseph Fertitta" 22. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Foster E Collins Jr 23. Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") by "Tom Heemskerk" 24. Re: Moving light Consoles by Ben Eastep 25. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu 26. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Bruce Purdy 27. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 28. Re: Moving light consoles? by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 29. Re: budgets by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 30. Re: Mom and Pop stores by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 31. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Rigger 32. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Rigger 33. Re: Moving light consoles? by "Randy Whitcomb" 34. Re: Mom and Pop stores by "Andy Leviss" 35. Re: Moving light Consoles by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4BB38238-B093-11D8-8A8E-003065D2C502 [at] klad.com> From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 06:39:28 -0400 now that sounds like fun! On May 28, 2004, at 12:13 AM, Big Fred Schoening wrote: > SUV whaling? Extra points if they're talking on > the phone. > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.cell klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 06:44:13 -0400 everyone reacts and responds to their audience, Wal-Mart, the corner=20 store, theatres, artists, probably plumbers. A small music store, like the independent bookseller is going to stock=20= what they like. In the case of the book store, that has been=20 championed. I know I always like what my local guy (and his staff)=20 suggest. What is scary is when a huge company dictates censorship to appease one=20= segment of their customer base, quietly forcing a huge audience segment=20= along. On May 28, 2004, at 12:13 AM, Big Fred Schoening wrote: > "I'd like to think that the adults in the world are able to decide > whether to buy a CD or not without needing someone else to sanitize it > for their > consumption." > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.cell klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Terve Snapsit (Was Tent rigging?) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: <93FE13C1F8D37D4D89A28A78F975D669018ABD9C [at] stagepost.vari-lite.corp> From: "Romaine, Ken" On or about Thu, 27 May 2004, Unka Bill wrote: You are speaking to the wrong person, my friend. I actually like the stuff. =20 I plan on bringing home my limit. For those who don't know, terve snapsit =20 (or terwasnappsi) is a liqueur made from pine tar. Tastes just like you would=20 expect it would. Needless to say, it's an acquired taste. -------- To which I reply: Bill, you're just the person to aquire it. Bring some by when you're in the area. I've still got a few active brain cells left. Ken Romaine Account Manager VLPS Lighting Services - New York kromaine [at] vlps.com The opinions expressed herein are mine - all mine, as much as I=20 might want to extend them to the rest of the world. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40B7447F.1030009 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:54:07 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) References: In-Reply-To: MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is acceptable in the music > biz? Wrong question. When are musicians going to become artists and say to Wal-Mart and others, "this is my art, I won't change it to suit you, if you don't want my fans shopping at your store, they can get it from iTunes or Amazon or Everybody's Records" ? I don't buy music from Wal Mart. Not because of Wal Mart's politics, but because their Bluegrass and Folk selection is crap when it exists at all. I'm not changing my tastes to 'teeny-bopper top 40' just to suit some retailer. Stuart ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:59:21 -0400 Subject: things for the public to review Message-ID: <40B70D79.5949.344019 [at] localhost> There are several standards and other guidance documents now posted on the ESTA website for public review and comment. It would be helpful if some Stagecraft mailing list readers checked them out. Many of them are written for end-users, and it would be helpful if end-users tell ESTA's standards committees if they're informative and easy to understand, and if not give us some advice on how to make them better. In particular, I'm thinking about the third edition of the Introduction to Atmospheric Effects. It's now into its fourth year so we need to update it. We've never gotten much feedback from people on it, though, and we'd like to so that the fourth edition can be better than the third. Tell us what we need to add, take out, or change to make a better edition. There's also a camera crane operator's handbook on the web for review (for all you camera crane operators out there). That one's review ends June 8, so if you plan to check it out, please do so soon. Other documents listed for review include the latest version of the DRAFT (note that I wrote "DRAFT" and not "approved") standard for manual counterweight rigging systems, a draft standard for flat-wall photometry basic testing conditions, and a draft standard for planning and executing fog effects. You can see the full list if you visit http://www.esta.org/tsp/. Best regards, Karl G. Ruling Technical Standards Manager ESTA 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 +1-212-244-1505 Fax +1-212-244-1502 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1df.21b89a63.2de8a316 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:13:42 EDT Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) In a message dated 5/28/04 6:59:15 AM, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net writes: << > Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is acceptable in the music > biz? Wrong question. When are musicians going to become artists and say to Wal-Mart and others, "this is my art, I won't change it to suit you, if you don't want my fans shopping at your store, they can get it from iTunes or Amazon or Everybody's Records" ? I don't buy music from Wal Mart. Not because of Wal Mart's politics, but because their Bluegrass and Folk selection is crap when it exists at all. I'm not changing my tastes to 'teeny-bopper top 40' just to suit some retailer. Stuart >> Stuart, , very well put, , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7e.4f7dbe07.2de8a35d [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:14:53 EDT Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) In a message dated 5/28/04 6:59:15 AM, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net writes: << MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is acceptable in the music > biz? >> let's take that thought to it's logical conclusion, , should artists and record companies have the right to FORCE Wal Mart to stock their records? very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:30:03 -0500 Message-ID: <93FE13C1F8D37D4D89A28A78F975D669018ABDAD [at] stagepost.vari-lite.corp> From: "Romaine, Ken" On or about Thu, 27 May 2004, Andrew Riter asked: I'm just wondering how the VR1000s that Ron was using worked out. Not the profile/operation point of view, but the how-good-is-the-fixture-really point of view. I'm interested in them for my venue (in a few years time), and am curious. How quiet are they? Do the fans turn on when they are on? Etc etc. We're a concert hall with superb acoustics (for unamplified sound), and fan noise is apparent. thanks Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------- To which I reply: First - For those of you that don't know me, please see my sig. I don't do shameless plugs, (well, at least not on this list),=20 but someone did ask a specific question, and I can help. Now that that's out of the way, some info and answers. For those of you that are interested in the noise generated by=20 VL1000(TM) luminaires, I have two pdf files available. One of these has test results for when the fans turn on for=20 different ambient temperatures and operating positions. =20 The other has sound power level comparisons between=20 the VL1000A(TM), the VL2000(TM) series luminaires, and the High End SYstems x-Spot(TM). FYI - When Carnegie Hall was outfitting their new space, Zankel=20 Hall, they purchased (from us at VLPS NY) a system of VL5(TM)=20 and VL1000TS(TM) luminaires. The VL5 luminaires have no fans, and=20 for the VL1000TS luminaires, they did a sound test in the space. They=20 found that they had to put their ears practically against the unit to=20 hear the fans. We had to put put jumper wires in the units to make sure that the fans were "forced on" for this test. OK - enough for the plugs. If anyone wants more information about=20 these luminaires, please feel free to give me a call or send me an=20 off-list e-mail. Ken Romaine Account Manager VLPS Lighting Services - New York Ph: 201-462-9500 Fax: 201-462-9596 kromaine [at] vlps.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.0.20040528075329.00b368d0 [at] localhost> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:55:08 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) In-Reply-To: References: At 09:13 PM 5/27/2004, you wrote: >(I'm also alarmed by the whole RFID issue, and since they're >the first to start testing this technology there, I really don't go >there at all any more.) I just saw something about the US wanting RFID tags built into passports coming in from other countries. I assume a future requirement will be that you have to have your passport on you at all times...can't go anywhere without your papers. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040528145957.58266.qmail [at] web50301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:59:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tollefson Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles In-Reply-To: Sorry about the lack of Subject line on the original post. Scott, is $4k all you're looking to spend on this console. I'd also recomend the GrandMA line of consoles though you won't find one (new at least) for that price. It looks like the GrandMA Micro is listing at $13k right now so you could probably find it for 10. HogPC is certainly cheaper but I personally would never want to trust my show to a console upon which a bored tech could load Halo "Just to play during breaks and stuff." BTW: If you do want to go with the console-on-PC idea I believe MA Lighting has recently introduced a Network Signal Processor which will allow you to take their free Offline editors, they even have a version designed to take advantage of the new tablet PCs. I have no idea what the price is. My 1/5 of a dime, Jason Tollefson Orlando, FL > I've just come into about 4 grand and am looking for a basic moving light > console. We own 3 technobeams iris units and 4 ellipscan moving mirror > heads. I'm assuming we'll get more lights in the future. > Our current board is the Express 48/96 and we've been able to do basic > programing so far. > Any recommendations would be much appreciated. > Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c444c7$8617bda0$4bedbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:22:00 -0500 ROFLMAO! Thanks for the great image. I've been rooting around for an idea for a short, Terry Gilliam-esque film project, and I think you just inspired me! Joe > I'd like to think lots of good things about the people currently > inhabiting this planet, but driving in Dallas anywhere near rush-hour > makes me start daydreaming again about mounting a harpoon gun on my > truck. Who's up for some SUV whaling? Extra points if they're talking on > the phone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:42:27 -0400 From: Chris Davis Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20040528113810.00a0f8f0 [at] mail-hub.optonline.net> At 10:22 PM 5/27/2004 -0500, "Big Fred" Schoening wrote: >...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda >miss him. Does he know the List is back up? > > I don't know, let's try a simple test... I've just finished about to cue my next show. I've decided to go completely ABSTRACT, all saturated COLOR WASHES. There are a lot of cues that don't happen on specific lines and I was wondering how I should have the STAGE MANAGER call them. If that doesn't get a rise out of him, then he hasn't re-subscribed :-) Chris __________________________________ Chris Davis Asst. Lighting Supervisor Queens Theater In The Park ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:00:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) From: Tony Miller Message-ID: > I just saw something about the US wanting RFID tags built into passports > coming in from other countries. I assume a future requirement will be that > you have to have your passport on you at all times...can't go anywhere > without your papers. > As far as I've heard any non-American who doesn't want to stand in line for a couple of hours while American Immigration goes through all the stamps in your passport, must have either RFID or some form of biometric measurement built into their passport. As most governments are still bickering about what these measurements are going to be, it doesn't look like it will be sorted by the October deadline. In fact some countries such are Brazil are playing tit for tat and holding up American citizens for up to 15 hours standing in line at immigration (that was apparently the maximum length of time Brazilians were held up in the USA) What a mess. Tony Miller. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006a01c444cd$8c384960$4bedbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:05:07 -0500 I don't think consumers will "force" any business to do anything. Retailers can either willfully meet the needs of their customers, or they can lose marketshare. If Wal-Mart wants to project a "family friendly" image, that's their deal. But if they don't want to stock men's magazines like Playboy or Penthouse, they have that right. If a music artist wants to sell a lot of ther work, but they've created an album full of profanity, or lyrics that advocate killing, rape drug usage or voting Republican, then they'll have to alter it to suit the retailers values. (Or not, and sell elsewhere.) This argument, of "art vs. commerce" is as old as the cave paintings in France. I'm sure the artist in that cave was pressed to make "changes" so the magic for the hunt would be stronger, and more of an easy sell to the Gods. Joe Vote with your money... it's the only voice anyone listens to anymore. > should artists and record companies have the right to FORCE Wal Mart to stock > their records? > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <721DC9EE550F834A92EC08BDC332B0EE01607F36 [at] trader.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" So - how's the noise when they're moving? When I used some HighEnd = StudioColor 575s (no fan), I had to be careful in cueing their movement = during quiet moments because of the servo noise. - Steven http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:33:03 -0400 Message-Id: <20040528163303.NKCY1534.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01> > If that doesn't get a rise out of him, then he hasn't re-subscribed :-) > > Chris AAWWWW!!!!Now I have to clean the screen AND keyboard again! Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:45:12 -0400 Message-ID: <56439B09A4ADDC46876BDFF2BBD35DF001C173D2 [at] ex1.capecod.edu> From: "Hofmann, Christopher" Joe wrote: >I don't think consumers will "force" any business to do anything. >Retailers can either willfully meet the needs of their customers, or they >can lose marketshare. Aren't those essentially the same thing? By having retailers put in a position of either needing to "willfully" meet the needs of their customers or lose market share, the consumers have "forced" the business to change it's inventory. Then Joe wrote: > Vote with your money... it's the only voice anyone listens to anymore. Exactly the point. - Chris =20 Creativity is the inability to follow someone else's rules. - Cliff Stoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:10:27 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles Message-id: <8f3f993ff6.93ff68f3f9 [at] ithaca.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Tollefson Date: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:59 am Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles > --------------------------------------------------- > > Scott, is $4k all you're looking to spend on this console. I'd > also recomend the GrandMA line of > consoles though you won't find one (new at least) for that price. > It looks like the GrandMA Micro > is listing at $13k right now so you could probably find it for 10. > HogPC is certainly cheaper but > I personally would never want to trust my show to a console upon > which a bored tech could load > Halo "Just to play during breaks and stuff." You know, they do have administrative settings to keep bored technicians from loading software. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <596d01c444e0$7fa37b80$0200a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: Prepare for an aneurism... Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 19:20:46 +0100 cdavis309 [at] optonline.net wrote: > At 10:22 PM 5/27/2004 -0500, "Big Fred" Schoening wrote: > > >...well, some of youse, anyway. Has anybody heard from Frank? I kinda > >miss him. Does he know the List is back up? > > > > > > > > I don't know, let's try a simple test... > > I've just finished about to cue my next show. I've decided to go completely > ABSTRACT, all saturated COLOR WASHES. There are a lot of cues that don't > happen on specific lines and I was wondering how I should have the STAGE > MANAGER call them. Don't forget the Congo Blue. And check with the sound engineer to make shure that the noise from the moving lights isn't getting into the sound reinforcement mics. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Fertitta" Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:09:13 -0400 Message-ID: Sorry about the long reply. Interestingly enough I just got done setting up several rental rigs for the cosmetics company Aveda today, one of the boards that was headed out into one of the smaller rigs (of the 4 packages) was infact the Fat Frog. Here are the thoughts after setting the console up and poking around a bit. Its a nice console, good layout, lightweight, and seems sturdy. If you are going to use it to teach anyone who will be using MLs later and ML consoles later on in life then this is NOT the console to go with. It's syntax is a bit strange, the layout is considerably different than the "usual" ML consoles, and it is somewhat difficult to navigate to get to the advanced features such as things like "patch" (which in my eyes is not an advanced feature but a bare and basic nesseccity.) So in retrospect, if you need a introductory line console to deal with MLs but won't be using it to teach anyone about MLs, their capabilities to a designer, or how they work and are programmed in the "real world" then this is a great console for you. If you do plan to do said things with the console then I would advise you to look into the consoles I mentioned earlier. The GrandMA Ultra-Lite, HogPC, Hog500, or something of a similar style. However, this console is still more on par with MLs than something like an ETC Express, or Strand 200. The Strand 300 series is also not very bad for MLs as it has a wonderful "black out" feature that will automatically move the light to its next position when it is not on. It saves a hell of alot of time in cue setting as you don't have to write "setup cues" to get the fixture to it's location so that it doesnt run through color and pattern wheels as it swings to its new location. Just my 2 cents, Joseph Fertitta R.M.E. High School for Performing and Visual Arts Houston, TX Theatre Design & Production University of Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Fertitta" Subject: Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: My experience with the VL1000s proved them to be quite noisy regardless of what the amazing specs said. Maybe it was my space. The ETC Revolutions I found to be very quite when I got a chance to play around with the unit while in beta testing a while back. My experience with the VL1000s is limited and it was when they first came out. I am not sure if in the time they have been on the market if revisions have been made to the unit to make them run more quietly. Joseph Fertitta R.M.E. High School for Performing and Visual Arts Houston, TX Theatre Design & Production University of Cincinnati - College Conservatory of Music Cincinnati, OH _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Message-ID: From: Foster E Collins Jr Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:50:27 -0500 To add to their insidious nature, Wal-Mart doesn't even let on that their the censored versions of cds have been altered from the original. You just get fewer songs. FC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <048601c44508$cb132160$19e2f4cc [at] oemcomputer> From: "Tom Heemskerk" References: Subject: Re: VL1000s (Was "VR1000s") Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:09:09 -0700 Hey, Andrew.... Roy Thomson Hall in TO has over a hundred VL1000s, which should attest to their suitability in a concert hall. We have a dozen at the Royal, which we often use during orchestra concerts to dress the shell. C'mon over and see (and hear) them anytime. The noise of moving VLs during orchestral pieces is known to bother some players, so we change them during applause. The only other noise we thought might be an issue for the orchestra was a faint squeal which we could hear up close at maybe 10-12k coming out the back end of the fixture, but the players can't hear it when the electrics are at trim. (I think a great many symphonic players have significant hearing loss up the there anyway.) Tom Heemskerk ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles From: Ben Eastep In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1085791550.24630.2.camel [at] fish.home> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:45:50 -0600 > > You know, they do have administrative settings to keep bored technicians > from loading software. > NO! Don't Ever DO THAT! sorry. we had a bad experience last year, where a locked down sound computer developed problems during the preshow check... Given administrator access, we could have fixed it in about 30 seconds, however the guy that knew the password wasn't answering his phone... We did get the machine up in time, but it was far too close for comfort Ben Eastep ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040528213451.ks0sccg0socwgog0 [at] webmail.longwood.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:34:51 -0400 From: schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) References: In-Reply-To: > Vote with your money... it's the only voice anyone listens to anymore. Then I'm sure as hell disenfranchised... On the serious side of this discussion, I worked as a GM for two years at a FOR-profit (i.e., privately owned) summer theatre, and am also a Libra, so I can pretty much see both sides of this issue. If an artist has something meaningful to say, one would be justified in presuming it should have some (albeit small, perhaps) commercial value; otherwise, you'd be hard-pressed to make the argument that the work has meaning to anyone other than the artist (which, if we're limiting ourselves to merely that criterion, means we're having the wrong discussion entirely). Personally, I'd get all the big-box music/movie retailers in a room with the guys from the RIAA and the movie ratings commission (sorry, forgot the acronym) and the PMRC and so forth, and say, look...you want to go along with commercial censorship of artists' work? Then make alternative copies (i.e., director's cuts) available free for download. I'm tired of getting suckered into purchasing two copies of the same damn work just for a few "added features" which would have been in there from the get-go if it weren't for "market pressures" (such as extra footage in LOTR). Paul Schreiner Technical Director, Longwood University Theatre 434.395.2250 ICQ #2269284 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:13:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Kristi asked: > Should Wal-Mart have the right to dictate what is acceptable in the music > biz? Wal*Mart is not dictating what is acceptable in the music biz. They are deciding what they wish to carry in their own stores. Their size and clout in the marketplace is problematic, but that falls into what many of us have been saying already. The entire topic of "Censorship" is an emotionally loaded one. I only buy music that I personally like to listen to. Since I don't buy Rap, Hip Hop or Heavy metal does that mean that I'm censoring them? A local radio station plays a country music format - are they censoring what their listeners can listen to? When I worked as a portrait photographer, I would shoot a lot of film, then edit and show about a quarter of what I had shot. Careful editing was an important part of my professional duty. Only show the best shots from which the customer can make their selections. I had a couple of customers over the years accuse me of "Censoring" them - that they had a "Right" to see every frame I shot. I am deeply offended by some of the lyrics in what passes for "Music" in some circles. If I owned a music store I would refuse to carry such garbage. That's not censorship, It's my right to dictate the image of my store. I'm not preventing anyone from recording the stuff. If there is a market for it, let someone else sell it. That is where an independent entrepreneur has an edge over the giants like Wal*Mart - Niche market items. Products that are not main stream and don't have a huge market probably won't face as much competition from the Big Boxes. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <103.46f403b1.2de94ffa [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:31:22 EDT Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Kevin Lee Allen writes: >What is scary is when a huge company dictates censorship to appease one >segment of their customer base, quietly forcing a huge audience segment along. Just for the sake of discussion: what should we call it when one (small?) segment of the population wants to justify their disgusting trash as "art" or "free speech" just so that they can make a buck. Is our social "environment" capable of absorbing an unlimited amount of pollution? At what point do we become concerned about behavioral mutations that result from overexposure? Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <89.c2194b7.2de9501e [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:31:58 EDT Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Randy Whitcomb writes: >One of my graduates just got a nice internship with a big Florida Theme >Park. She spent 20 minutes after the interview was over talking to their >lighting guy. Turns out they use HogPc for the smaller venues. He was very >impressed that she's used the software. Apparently none of the staff have >been trained on it yet. There is one collection of big Florida Theme Parks that uses a lot of Hog II's and several Hog PC's. Many techs are trained on them for both daily operations and for special events. Maybe she's at that "other" park. ;) Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <29.58d4892c.2de95053 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:32:51 EDT Subject: Re: budgets Brian Rice writes: >Large and small are very subjective terms when it comes to talking about budgets. Yep. Even at a really big theme park, with seeming huge budgets, there is always something that has to be cut, scaled back, or made do with. Something that looks impressive from the outside often has ragged edges when viewed up close from the inside. I'm convinced that there is NO perfect venue nor production scenario. But, that very fact is what engenders creativity: finding a way to make theatre happen with what ever the given resources may be. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <112.3327eb17.2de950ad [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:34:21 EDT Subject: Re: Mom and Pop stores paul.guncheon writes: >The home center employees have no time to reorder merchandise >because they are too busy applying little price stickers to every >object -- every board, washer, nail and screw -- in the entire store ... I wish! My biggest complaint is that prices are on a shelf tag and the stock is nowhere near the tag. It takes a lot of hunting and part number comparisons to find out how much something is going to cost. The second biggest hassle is the pre-packed quantities that never match up to the number of items actually needed for a project. Add to these the "out of stock" syndrome and the "here today, never to be seen again" product selections and the online supplier looks better and better. The best thing I can say for the home centers is that they can provide an interesting diversion. A place to stroll and explore and imagine potential projects and solutions. Sometimes touching and measuring or eyeballing real things (rather than pictures) is good recreational therapy. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL Two Home Depots, Two Lowes, Three Super WalMarts, and One Ace Hardware within five miles of home. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:39:24 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) At 10:31 PM -0400 5/28/04, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com wrote: > Just for the sake of discussion: what should we call it when one (small?) > segment of the population wants to justify their disgusting trash as "art" or > "free speech" just so that they can make a buck. As long as they don't play it at 120dB outside my front porch, I couldn't care less what anyone calls it. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:41:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) At 10:31 PM -0400 5/28/04, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com wrote: > At what point do we become concerned about behavioral > mutations that result from overexposure? You sound like my parents, the day I bought my first Guess Who 45 in 3rd grade... That, BTW, is not a good thing to sound like. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c44538$68b82440$43cea143 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: Moving light consoles? Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:50:04 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > There is one collection of big Florida Theme Parks that uses a lot of Hog > II's and several Hog PC's. Many techs are trained on them for both daily > operations and for special events. Maybe she's at that "other" park. ;) To be honest it did seem strange to me. Sometimes at interviews nervousness can affect hearing ;-) Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: Re: Mom and Pop stores Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 02:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c44543$ae509ae0$c47789ac [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: Paul Guncheon quoted Dave Barry as writing: > The employee, who has > never is his life even seen the inside of a toilet tank, will > peer at the broken part in very much the same way that a > member of a primitive Amazon jungle tribe would look at an > electronic calculator It's perhaps a somewhat sad (out of fear of sounding like Alanis Morrisette, I fought the instinct to claim that it was somewhat "ironic") statement of current retail society that, when I read this, my mind first flashed to an underpaid mail-order processor at Amazon.com before I re-read and realized we were talking jungle tribes. --Andy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 5/11/2004 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005601c44554$456569a0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 09:09:31 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Eastep" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: Re: Moving light Consoles > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > You know, they do have administrative settings to keep bored technicians > > from loading software. > > > > NO! Don't Ever DO THAT! > > sorry. > > we had a bad experience last year, where a locked down sound computer > developed problems during the preshow check... Given administrator > access, we could have fixed it in about 30 seconds, however the guy that > knew the password wasn't answering his phone... > > We did get the machine up in time, but it was far too close for comfort > > Ben Eastep > Sorry - I'd have to disagree with you. IF you use a house PC for anything that's going to be used for live sound stuff, it really needs to be locked out to all and sundry. Maybe not restricted to just one single admin knowing guy, but restricted all the same. It's all too easy to leave it open to those who might THINK they know what they're doing - "Oh, I'll just load this bit of cool software, it'll let me do so-and-so" or god forbid load some un-virus checked shareware off the 'net. All it takes is something you don't know about to start to screw your PC - slow it down or corrupt the files you need and wham, you're in big trouble when you least need it! I wouldn't even have an AV programme on a sound room PC. I'd screen ALL files on a separate machine before using them on SFX. Ynot ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #21 ****************************