Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #29 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #29 1. Re: Counterweight systems by Michael Powers 2. Re: Question about header by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 3. third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) by Shawn Palmer 4. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by "richard j. archer" 5. Re: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) by schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu 6. Re: Counterweight Rigging by Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT 7. Third Rail Myth by "Rob Carovillano" 8. Re: Question about header by ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) 9. Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 10. guinness arbor by b Ricie 11. Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) by Simon Shuker 12. Re: Counterweight Rigging - terminations by Stephen Litterst 13. Re: Third Rail Myth by Kevin Lee Allen 14. Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: Third Rail Myth by "C. Andrew Dunning" 16. Re: Third Rail Myth by Steve Larson 17. Re: Third Rail Myth by Shawn Palmer 18. IAAM Virtual Seminar by Theatre Safety Programs 19. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by Richard Niederberg 20. Re: Sex drugs and Opera/ food for thought by Richard Niederberg 21. Re: Question about header by Noah Price 22. Re: Question about header by ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) 23. Re: Question about header by Pat Kight 24. Re: Third Rail Myth by "C. Andrew Dunning" 25. Re: Question about header by "John Vink" 26. Re: Question about header by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Counterweight Rigging - terminations by "Delbert Hall" 28. Re: Automation Grenade by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: Third Rail Myth by Shawn Palmer 30. Re: Automation Grenade by Jerry Durand 31. Re: Powerpoint Background by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: Power quality, electrical system specs by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: Third Rail Myth by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: Power quality, electrical system specs by Jerry Durand 35. Re: Third Rail Myth by Jerry Durand 36. Rings (warning: almost completely OT) by CB 37. Re: Counterweight systems by CB 38. Re: Third Rail Myth by Herrick 39. NPR music file? by "Storms, Randy" 40. Re: Third Rail Myth by Richard Niederberg 41. Re: NPR music file? by Rigger 42. Re: NPR music file? by Rigger 43. Re: Automation Grenade by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 44. Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) by Wood Chip-P26398 45. Wally World by Charlie Richmond 46. Re: third rail urban myth by 47. Re: Wally World by "Julie Fox" 48. A new perception of box stores by Steve Larson 49. Re: A new perception of box stores by Jerry Durand 50. Table Saw Troubleshooting by Michael Wade 51. Re: A new perception of box stores by Richard Niederberg 52. Re: A new perception of box stores by Richard Niederberg 53. Re: Table Saw Troubleshooting by Richard Niederberg 54. Re: NPR music file? by Stuart Wheaton 55. Re: NPR music file? by Rigger 56. Re: Automation, Counterweight rigging and many related topics by "Shawn Nolan" 57. Re: Just don't face upwind! by Steeve Vajk 58. Re: Just don't face upwind! by Charlie Richmond 59. Re: A new perception of box stores by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:25:06 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Counterweight systems Message-id: <1086265506.40bf18a208eb4 [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> "Matthew Breton" writes: << .... Didn't the "can you get electrocuted by urinating on the third rail" urban myth make it onto some TV show or another? (And, if so, since I barely have time to watch anymore, could someone tell me the results?) >> Matthew, I don't know about the show, never saw it. Having observed the result of a K-9's first encounter with an electric fence, I know you can get a jolt. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040603124005.32527.qmail [at] web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:40:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: Question about header In-Reply-To: I had been thinking the very same thing myself. I don't think it would be any less effective, and would make reading messages a lot easier. Jacki > Aloha > > Could this header become a footer it would make the > message easier to preview. > At 12:55 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: > >For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and > suspending > >your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web > site at: > > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > >--------------------------------------------------- > > Mahalo > Eric > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40BF1EA9.7050306 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 07:50:49 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) References: In-Reply-To: > << .... Didn't the "can you get electrocuted by urinating on the > third rail" urban myth make it onto some TV show or another? (And, > if so, since I barely have time to watch anymore, could someone tell > me the results?) >> > Matthew, It was on Myth Busters. Although they did FINALLY succeed in "electrocuting" the dummy I think the Myth was basically debunked. The urine was pretty much a bunch of droplets when it hit the rail. They had to use a bunch of modifications to get it to "work." So, bare legged, kneeling in the rain about six inches from the rail it is possible... Never having peed on an electric fence I don't know how that one works (or doesn't.) Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:20:27 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Jerry Durand said: >....... > In a recent court case the government said according to their new >definitions that self-lighting charcoal is an explosive and you need >a magazine to keep it in. They also added "anything that can be >made to explode" as a regulated explosive now (which you need >permits and a magazine for). Under the current rules anyone in this >country can be arrested, if they feel like it. Disney uses Creamora (or some other powdered coffee creamer) in Fantasmic for the dragon's fireballs so just remember Jerry's warning as you have your morning cup. Dick A. TD, Cornell Univ. Hey, don't you guys have anything to do...so many messages. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040603093124.z4zatcsccoo8co44 [at] webmail.longwood.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:31:24 -0400 From: schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu Subject: Re: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) References: In-Reply-To: >> The whole Faramir thing is my biggest beef. Especially since I've used >> "Faramir" for an internet handle since about '95. > > You're a geek. The above quoted statement gives it away right up front, > but you confirm it with a blow-by-blow description of how you would > actually have re-edited the films. Off the cuff, as it were, as if you had > already gone over this in your mind a dozen times. Actually, I've had the discussion before. I've been a Tolkien fan since high school, read LOTR and The Silmarillion a couple dozen times each, and since my wife has been reading them for the first time after seeing the movies, we've been comparing them somewhat. And I'll wholeheartedly admit to geekdom, though the comment above about it being my handle was meant to be tongue-in-cheek... > Look, I'm as geeky as the next guy, but I hide it under a thin veneer of > professional interest and intillectual excercise. Ya gotta learn to blend, > mah brutha! ; > Ahh, but when a well-timed geek moment brings other geeks out of the closet...? ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT Subject: Re: Counterweight Rigging Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:32:09 -0600 It's always easy to say "It was before my time". But... From talking to an individual who was here, there was a tad bit more to the story, although essentially true. The USAF Academy Band was in rehearsal, but fortunately on break. The screen is 50 x 24 on a welded steel pipe structure of about 80 x 30 and on an electric winch. From my understanding, they were trying to line up a front projector image and were "touching" the screen in and out ( read that: bouncing ) The one injury was a very quick band member leaping over the pit as the lines snapped ( crosbys held ) from stage right to left. Xylophone went to music heaven. Trey -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of doran [at] bard.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 13:12 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Counterweight Rigging For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Kevin, Go down to the US Air Force Academy's Arnold Hall in Colorado Springs. Ask them what happened in about '87 or '88 when their projection screen rigging failed. If anyone is around that remembers, you'll find a combination of causes, but a chain hoist hooked up to the bottom of the arbor enabled that thing get well out of weight, pipe-heavy by more than 500 lbs. for sure. The arbor only travelled up a short distance, but the results were catastrophic whan that brake caught the runaway. Fortunately, spreader plates were in place to keep the weights captured. No serious injuries to people, but the percussion insturments took quite a beating, so to speak. Andy Champ-Doran Quoting Kevin Patrick : I've never seen it, but > how often does an arbor fly up uncontrollably? It's pretty difficult > to accidentally add #500 to a pipe when it's gridded. Kevin Patrick > Theatre.colstate.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002001c44971$850b5120$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Third Rail Myth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:48:57 -0400 The myth about urinating on the third rail was featured on the show mythbusters. From what they determined it is pretty hard for you to get any kind of shock/electrocution from it. They had to have the test dummy touching the rail with both hands and urinate on it from several inches away in order to acheive their desired outcome. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ From: ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) Subject: Re: Question about header Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00bb01c44972$4c8572d0$0900a8c0 [at] COMPAQ> In-Reply-To: That would be very helpful, great idea Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight =3D Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 =20 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Eric = Minton Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:29 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Question about header For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Aloha Could this header become a footer it would make the message easier to preview. At 12:55 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: >For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >--------------------------------------------------- Mahalo Eric=20 ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d1.228dbc71.2df088d3 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:59:47 EDT Subject: Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) Cc: shawnp [at] northnet.net In a message dated 6/3/4 7:51:59 AM, shawnp [at] northnet.net wrote: <> As I'm female, I haven't experienced this personally... but, like cow tipping, it's something rural Wisconsin boys think is funny to try or dare others to do. The stream of urine only has a couple of inches to travel to hit an electrified fence at 3' off the ground compared to the several feet to hit a third rail, thus it remains solid enough that is it POSSIBLE to feel the current. (Having the controll to aim that well is another matter!) Most fences don't have that much electricity in them anyway... DC powered... so even just brushing up against them gives an uncomfortable tingle, not a knock-you-on-your-butt jolt. Why a guy would expose such a sensitive anatomical part to that... I'm not going to venture a guess. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040603140417.59786.qmail [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: guinness arbor In-Reply-To: >>The Carps would never be off the loading bridge<< kinda gives new meaning to loading bridge... ===== Brian Rice b_ricie [at] yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:09:40 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) In-reply-to: Message-id: <000e01c44974$6a658a90$e4e8a5d9 [at] Tosh> Having seen a drunk friend do this I can assure you its possible. Simon -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: 03 June 2004 18:00 To: Stagecraft Cc: shawnp [at] northnet.net Subject: Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 6/3/4 7:51:59 AM, shawnp [at] northnet.net wrote: <> As I'm female, I haven't experienced this personally... but, like cow tipping, it's something rural Wisconsin boys think is funny to try or dare others to do. The stream of urine only has a couple of inches to travel to hit an electrified fence at 3' off the ground compared to the several feet to hit a third rail, thus it remains solid enough that is it POSSIBLE to feel the current. (Having the controll to aim that well is another matter!) Most fences don't have that much electricity in them anyway... DC powered... so even just brushing up against them gives an uncomfortable tingle, not a knock-you-on-your-butt jolt. Why a guy would expose such a sensitive anatomical part to that... I'm not going to venture a guess. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:12:48 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Counterweight Rigging - terminations Message-id: <40BF31E0.899B168E [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Bruce Purdy wrote: > > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Sam's right. When you replace a thimble with a larger diameter object like a > > pipe, placing a sleeve right down on top of the pipe is no good. The cable > > coming into the sleeve comes in at a severe angle and side loads the sleeve. > > Less holding capacity. > > > > IMHO, a trim chain or batten clamp is the way to go. > > Now I understand that the context of this conversation is attaching the > batten to the fly lines, but what about attaching scenery to the batten? > > The way I've always done it, and seen it done by others, is to wrap the > wire rope around the batten and attach a pair of cable clamps. (Thimbles are > used on the bottom end where it attaches to the plate on the scenery.) > > Do others use chain or baton clamps for hanging scenery as well? We terminate the wire rope into a thimble, and use chain around the batten. If the attachment will be in sight (in our arena theatre) I'll use a batten clamp. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <5B870AAA-B569-11D8-A975-003065D2C502 [at] klad.com> From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:21:51 -0400 thank god for tv. On Jun 3, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Rob Carovillano wrote: > The myth about urinating on the third rail was featured on the show > mythbusters. =46rom what they determined it is pretty hard for you to=20= > get any > kind of shock/electrocution from it. They had to have the test dummy > touching the rail with both hands and urinate on it from several=20 > inches away > in order to acheive their desired outcome. > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.cell klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001801c44976$ae92a070$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:25:54 -0700 > The stream of urine only has a couple of inches to travel to hit an > electrified fence at 3' off the ground compared to the several feet to hit a third > rail, thus it remains solid enough that is it POSSIBLE to feel the current. Growing up (in the country no less) I was present once when my neighbor inadvertently did his duty on an electrifried fence - and he most definitely felt it! Didn't knock him over or anything, but he said it really stung. Watching him dance around was quite entertaining for this 12 year old. It wasn't intentional - no double-dare involved. We were hiking (trespassing) across some fields on our way to Clear Creek, and we both stopped for relief, and he was near a fencepost, and neither of us suspected the fence would be a juicer this far out from the dairy. But watching Mythbusters, I did wonder if Billy was somewhere watching. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com ------------------------------ From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:26:02 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Does anyone else think it odd that a few days ago there was a complaint about wasting bandwidth talking about console disks - and now peeing on things electrical is being discussed?????? C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:00:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: There is nothing not odd about this list. That's what keeps us coming back to check on the latest posts when we should be finishing the show we're working on. Steve on 6/3/04 10:26 AM, C. Andrew Dunning at cad [at] landrudesign.com wrote: > Does anyone else think it odd that a few days ago there was a complaint > about wasting bandwidth talking about console disks - and now peeing on > things electrical is being discussed?????? > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40BF4246.9010206 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:22:46 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth References: In-Reply-To: > Does anyone else think it odd that a few days ago there was a complaint > about wasting bandwidth talking about console disks - and now peeing on > things electrical is being discussed?????? > > C. Andrew Dunning > Landru Design Someone asked about the show involving the 3rd rail, I answered. I really didn't mean to start a new thread about the electric fence. Ah, well. Delete or don't. Ciao Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040603082508.01ce5cf8 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:28:31 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: IAAM Virtual Seminar I will be one of the participating instructors in this virtual seminar. Posting this in case you our facility might be interested. Session 3 - Bringing Them Back: Event Management Services That Bring Return Clients and Patrons June 17, 2004 11am CST - 1 pm CST Receive best practices for communicating facility policies and procedures to facility users. Train your event staff with knowledge of basic crowd management and emergency planning skills. Find out what a Facility Safety Audit is and how it is conducted. Investigate proven techniques for recruiting, selecting, motivating and retaining part-time event staff. Learn smart methods of subcontracting for staffing. I have pasted in the relevant information from the IAAM website; if you want to register, you can go there -- www.iaam.org and click on virtual seminars The International Association of Assembly Managers-the professional association of managers of convention centers, arenas, stadiums, performing arts venues, civic centers, auditoriums, amphitheaters and other public assembly facilities-introduces a program specifically created for a facility in your area. The virtual seminar is a great way to train staff on a small budget. Many can participate for one low price. The Smaller Markets & Venues Virtual Seminars are designed for facility managers in venues with smaller capacity and/or serve secondary and tertiary markets. The goal of the series is to provide managers and their staff with current information in core processes that can increase your service level and revenue. These seminars are created and led by current facility managers. This four-part series will take place via telephone and internet. It will be led by senior members of the International Association of Assembly Managers, including leaders from IAAM's Professional Development Committee, Body of Knowledge Task Force, and facility managers from across North America. Virtual seminars bring high quality training directly to your office. Seminars are conducted in an audio conference format, and supported by visual aides viewed through the computer. Participants will receive a comprehensive "Toolbox" Workbook electronically to support the curriculum. IAAM Members Individual Seminar-$179 Times: All seminars will take place on the date listed. Please follow the guide below to determine Noon - 2 pm Eastern 11 am - 1 pm Central 10 am - Noon Mountain 9 - 11 am Pacific 8 - 10 am Alaska 7 - 9 am Hawaii The cost for the seminar is per facility -- Pricing is per site - you can have one phone connection and one internet connection. Participants at a site are unlimited. IAAM Non-Members Individual Seminar $249 IAAM Members Individual Seminar $179 Jerry Gorrell Technical Director, Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix Principle, Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:35:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Message-ID: <20040603.083518.2564.2.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg No. /s/ Richard > Is there a legal definition of 'first refusal' that I'm not familiar with? > Chris "Chris" Babbie ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! 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Message-Id: <140E6FE2-B574-11D8-95D5-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Question about header Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:36 -0700 On Jun 3, 2004, at 12:29 AM, Eric Minton wrote: > Aloha > > Could this header become a footer it would make the message easier to > preview. > At 12:55 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: >> For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >> your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: >> http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >> --------------------------------------------------- I've kept it as a header since that's how Steve had it set up for the past six years :-) It avoids a lot of questions that I see on many other lists, and putting it at the footer makes it less likely that people who need to see it most will see it. I can look at shortening it -- do four extra lines really make a big difference? Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ From: ken [at] kenholyoak.com (Ken Holyoak) Subject: Re: Question about header Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:26:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00f201c44987$978169f0$0900a8c0 [at] COMPAQ> In-Reply-To: Noah Yes it does - for those of us who use preview pain the only thing we ever see is the message and never the subject line Kenneth. H. Holyoak Information + Insight = Profit POB 68633 Indianapolis, IN 46268-0633 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Noah Price Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Question about header For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- On Jun 3, 2004, at 12:29 AM, Eric Minton wrote: > Aloha > > Could this header become a footer it would make the message easier to > preview. > At 12:55 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: >> For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending >> your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: >> http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ >> --------------------------------------------------- I've kept it as a header since that's how Steve had it set up for the past six years :-) It avoids a lot of questions that I see on many other lists, and putting it at the footer makes it less likely that people who need to see it most will see it. I can look at shortening it -- do four extra lines really make a big difference? Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40BF5587.1040601 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:44:55 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Question about header References: In-Reply-To: Ken Holyoak wrote: >Yes it does - for those of us who use preview pain the only thing we ever >see is the message and never the subject line > "Preview pain" - must be an Outlook user. (-; -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org http://albanycivic.org ------------------------------ From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:46:52 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-Id: >Shawn Palmer >Neenah, WI THE Shawn Palmer? Of Pickard Civic Auditorium [at] NHS? Sorry...just noticed your signature. I'm a past NHS grad and my brother is one of the music teachers there. C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ From: "John Vink" Subject: Re: Question about header Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:53:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01c4498b$5b5d4ee0$6501a8c0 [at] canadiansales> In-Reply-To: Just one of the many inherent Outlook "pains" John Vink > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On > Behalf Of Pat > Kight > Sent: June 3, 2004 10:45 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Question about header > > > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Ken Holyoak wrote: > > >Yes it does - for those of us who use preview pain > the only thing we ever > >see is the message and never the subject line > > > "Preview pain" - must be an Outlook user. > > (-; > > -- > Pat Kight > Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater > kightp [at] peak.org > http://albanycivic.org > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040603100103.0cfcb2e8 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:01:56 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Question about header In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:44 AM 6/3/2004, you wrote: >FYes it does - for those of us who use preview pain the only thing we ever >>see is the message and never the subject line >"Preview pain" - must be an Outlook user. And now every spam writer knows when he previews their wonderful offers to sell him stuff. :) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Counterweight Rigging - terminations Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:34:57 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000a01c44991$179cbcd0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: When we hang track from a batten we use a either a "hanging cable" (an 18" piece of 1/8" cable with a thimble on each end), or a sewn 12" nylon loop (by Blue Water). These devices essentially work the same as putting a trim chain around the batten. The simplest option hang scenery would be to just wrap the cable coming from the scenery around the batten twice (so it does not slide) and swage it 8 inches below the batten. -Delbert -----Original Message----- > > Now I understand that the context of this conversation is attaching the > batten to the fly lines, but what about attaching scenery to the batten? > > The way I've always done it, and seen it done by others, is to wrap the > wire rope around the batten and attach a pair of cable clamps. (Thimbles are > used on the bottom end where it attaches to the plate on the scenery.) > > Do others use chain or baton clamps for hanging scenery as well? We terminate the wire rope into a thimble, and use chain around the batten. If the attachment will be in sight (in our arena theatre) I'll use a batten clamp. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <11.2b11db7a.2df0bb27 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:34:31 EDT Subject: Re: Automation Grenade In a message dated 02/06/04 20:13:07 GMT Daylight Time, usctd [at] columbia.sc writes: > Obviously I can't speak for every show either. My point was not to point > out a lax nature regarding safety. My point was that with large > automation shows there is a very good oportunity for very bad things to > happen no matter how well prepared you may be. Very true. Bad programming, Something nasty coming in on the mains ( happened to me in France a couple of years ago. Fried the modem and, oddly enough, the thermostat on the fridge.), computer failure. We had a big one this morning at the West Drayton Air Traffic Control. They had had it down overnight for maintenance, and put it back up at 0600 BST. At 0603, it crashed. This is the computer which holds the flight information for Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stansted, and for all the southern airways. They had to go back to pencil and paper. Result: hundreds of flights delayed or cancelled; hundreds of aircraft out of position; thousands of passengers with their travel arrangements upset. It must have spread confusion all ove North-west Europe. They got it up again by 0705, and then started to clean up the mess. The point I am making is, that in a safety-critical situation such as this, you have the best equipment, programmed and operated by experts, but it can still crash. The Theatre industry can't afford such gear or expertise. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40BF627F.7080506 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:40:15 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth References: In-Reply-To: >>Shawn Palmer >>Neenah, WI > THE Shawn Palmer? Of Pickard Civic Auditorium [at] NHS? > > Sorry...just noticed your signature. > > I'm a past NHS grad and my brother is one of the music teachers there. > > C. Andrew Dunning Holy cow. I don't think I've ever gotten an all-capital THE as an article in front of my name before. I know David quite well (obviously.) I've also seen your Living Tree the past few Decembers. David told quite an amusing story (although he didn't find quite the same humor as I) involving you, him, a lighting console and a can of soda. I (silently) disagreed with his assessment of the situation :-) Shawn ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040603104235.0286e778 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:46:48 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Automation Grenade In-Reply-To: References: At 10:34 AM 6/3/2004, you wrote: >They got it up again by 0705, and then started to clean up the mess. The >point I am making is, that in a safety-critical situation such as this, >you have >the best equipment, programmed and operated by experts, but it can still >crash. >The Theatre industry can't afford such gear or expertise. Here the air traffic control equipment tends to be old and maintained occasionally (at least the last time I checked, it may have improved...or not). I once knew a senior air traffic controller from one of the big cities and he mentioned things like the PC boards being vertical in the chassis with the plug end UP. This meant that from time to time a board would fall out of the chassis from vibration. Just because it's expensive government approved equipment doesn't mean it's designed well or maintained. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <50.2ceceb4e.2df0be3a [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:47:38 EDT Subject: Re: Powerpoint Background In a message dated 02/06/04 20:15:03 GMT Daylight Time, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes: > Many (but certainly not all) DVD players sold in Europe will play NTSC as > well as PAL video, but you'd have to check with each and every household > your video might be shown. (Some do SECAM and PAL, but not NTSC.) I think you should check this out. It's more to do with the TV set. Only if you're using the co-axial connection will SECAM rear its head, when you will need a SECAM modulator in the player. Most DVD players connect with the SCART, which sends RGB. Most TV sets will handle the 60Hz frame rate. The area codes are the problem. Unless you have an 'all zones' player, DVDs from Zone 1 will not play on a player bought in Zone 2, and vice versa. This is the entertainment industry at work. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:14:08 EDT Subject: Re: Power quality, electrical system specs In a message dated 03/06/04 04:36:28 GMT Daylight Time, mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes: > Also, as the article points out, there are more harmonics these days due to > increased used of arc sources (common in most moving lights) and > electronics systems of all sorts - the switching power supply being the > culprit. I find this difficult. Power supply is a zero-sum game. You have four wires, sometimes only three. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <90.47243d67.2df0c689 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:23:05 EDT Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth In a message dated 03/06/04 14:49:50 GMT Daylight Time, rcarovil [at] sju.edu writes: > The myth about urinating on the third rail was featured on the show > mythbusters. From what they determined it is pretty hard for you to get any > kind of shock/electrocution from it. They had to have the test dummy > touching the rail with both hands and urinate on it from several inches away > in order to acheive their desired outcome. Well, the third rail is 600V above ground, or so, and urine is a fair conductor. But it all depends on your ground connection. Heavy rubber soled boots or shoes, no problem. Barefoot on the ballast, I like it less. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040603113304.0d15aea8 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:34:26 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Power quality, electrical system specs In-Reply-To: References: At 11:14 AM 6/3/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 03/06/04 04:36:28 GMT Daylight Time, >mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com writes: > > > Also, as the article points out, there are more harmonics these days > due to > > increased used of arc sources (common in most moving lights) and > > electronics systems of all sorts - the switching power supply being the > > culprit. > >I find this difficult. Power supply is a zero-sum game. You have four wires, >sometimes only three. > > >Frank Wood But we're talking reactive power, that stuff that invokes the use "imaginary" numbers (that sure was a POOR choice of a name!). You can have your power meter reading zero watts while the wires are too hot to touch. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040603113509.0268eea0 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:36:47 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth In-Reply-To: References: At 11:23 AM 6/3/2004, you wrote: >Well, the third rail is 600V above ground, or so, and urine is a fair >conductor. But it all depends on your ground connection. Heavy rubber >soled boots or >shoes, no problem. Barefoot on the ballast, I like it less. And come to think of it, our electric fence runs at several thousand volts (designed to get a cow's attention, not an easy task). I've seen a squirrel killed when it got between our fence and a good ground. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040603113401.01690750 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:34:01 From: CB Subject: Rings (warning: almost completely OT) >Indeed Chris that would be the quote!! > >I knew I liked you for a reason. I knew it was either that or "They killed Frits! Those dirty yellow stinkin' faeries! They killed Fritz!" Now THAT would be a trick to perform on a stage! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040603114657.01690750 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:46:57 From: CB Subject: Re: Counterweight systems > (And, if so, since I barely have >time to watch anymore, could someone tell me the results?) Mythbusters came to the conclusion that the stream broke up into droplets before it made contact, even with a fairly heavy flow, so that it was unlikely that the person would have been electrocuted. They did, however, maintain that it was possible given just the right circumstances. Perhaps the culprit was on his knees? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:55:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <53E34354-B5A0-11D8-B2AB-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com> I was just gonna say the same thing. On Thursday, Jun 3, 2004, at 10:26 America/New_York, C. Andrew Dunning wrote: > > Does anyone else think it odd that a few days ago there was a complaint > about wasting bandwidth talking about console disks - and now peeing on > things electrical is being discussed?????? > Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "never piss into a 400 amp disconnect" ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Storms, Randy" Subject: NPR music file? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:15:09 -0700 > Does anyone have an .MP3 of NPR's "Cantata for Strand 520i" ? I lost my > copy and it is apparently no longer available on the www site. > > -- r. > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:13:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Third Rail Myth Message-ID: <20040603.141333.2680.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Urinating on a Van de Graf generator is much more fun than on a Jacob's ladder while both are working. The fun isn't even limited to males! /s/ Richard > Herrick Goldman (said) > "never piss into a 400 amp disconnect" ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:18:32 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: NPR music file? At 2:15 PM -0700 6/3/04, Storms, Randy wrote: > Does anyone have an .MP3 of NPR's "Cantata for Strand 520i" ? I think I do somewhere... Lemme dig around. It might not be .mp3; it might be a streaming .wmv, if that matters. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:28:55 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: NPR music file? At 2:15 PM -0700 6/3/04, Storms, Randy wrote: > Does anyone have an .MP3 of NPR's "Cantata for Strand 520i"? > I lost my copy and it is apparently no longer available on the > www site. Handled off-list. Y'all knew I'd have it, didn'tcha. (it's a Strand 300, btw) -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <67.2ac5f89a.2df0f6a3 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:48:19 EDT Subject: Re: Automation Grenade In a message dated 03/06/04 18:47:24 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Here the air traffic control equipment tends to be old and maintained > occasionally (at least the last time I checked, it may have improved...or > not). I once knew a senior air traffic controller from one of the big > cities and he mentioned things like the PC boards being vertical in the > chassis with the plug end UP. This meant that from time to time a board > would fall out of the chassis from vibration. Well, all I can say is that is not sensible design. > > Just because it's expensive government approved equipment doesn't mean it's > designed well or maintained. No, it doesn't. I may be coming on a bit strong here, but government inspectors seem to be drawn from the thickest and least competent classes. Maintenance is a different question. That is down to the user. But this may provoke problems, too. One comes to mind. It is when the engineer says, "this gear is performing below standard' and the management says 'let it go. We have a big job on, today.' Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6728517EECE7D511981B00D0B78290310BD49A3F [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: Re: third rail urban myth (was Re: Counterweight systems) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:12 -0700 Been there, done that! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Palmer So, bare legged, kneeling in the rain about six inches from the rail it is possible... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:56:59 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Wally World Message-ID: Not to raise this again, necessarily, but there has been a lot of interest in Wal-Mart in the UK since it suddenly has a very large presence due to buying the already-established ASDA chain of superstores. Those of you interested in the perceptions from the other side of the pond might be interested in both BBC tabs on this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?tab=allbbc&go=homepage&q=wal-mart Enjoy! Charlie ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: third rail urban myth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:13:56 -0400 Message-Id: <20040603231356.WPSG1360.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02> > a third > > rail, thus it remains solid enough that is it POSSIBLE to feel the > current. My father tells a good story about an automotive spark plug tester. It worked through clothing if you hooked it up to a bumper of a car (1950 vintage when bumpers were actually metal). Long story short it apparently really hurts when peeing on an old radiator with this apparatus hooked up. Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <010001c449c1$6ed93160$85e030d5 [at] missingldbctt1> From: "Julie Fox" References: Subject: Re: Wally World Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:20:09 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Richmond" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:56 PM Subject: Wally World > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Not to raise this again, necessarily, but there has been a lot of interest in > Wal-Mart in the UK since it suddenly has a very large presence due to buying the > already-established ASDA chain of superstores. Those of you interested in the > perceptions from the other side of the pond might be interested in both BBC tabs > on this page: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?tab=allbbc&go=homepage&q=wal-mart > > Enjoy! > Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:00:52 -0400 Subject: A new perception of box stores From: Steve Larson Message-ID: How many local governments give these box stores tax breaks to lure them to your communities. There was an article in the Raleigh News and Observer today about such goings on. We lament the mom and pop stores disappearing when the local powers to be are the ones really responsible for allowing it to happen. I admire the few communities who have fought to keep them away- literally banning all the big stores. Neighboring towns then spring into action wanting the new jobs and people drive to save when the stores open there. What's a mother to do? Steve p.s. If an insect is a bug, are all bugs insects? Or vice versa. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040603170652.02623a68 [at] localhost> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:07:11 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: A new perception of box stores In-Reply-To: References: At 05:00 PM 6/3/2004, you wrote: >Fp.s. If an insect is a bug, are all bugs insects? >Or vice versa. A bug is actually a specific type of insect. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:51:51 -0400 From: Michael Wade Subject: Table Saw Troubleshooting In-reply-to: Message-id: <000001c449ce$214cabe0$6501a8c0 [at] Mikes> Hey all. A friend of mine is having an issue with one of their Delta table saws and I am out of ideas for fixing it. Here are the specifics: Delta 10" Unisaw, Model # 36-955 220-240v single phase, 3hp motor Here is the issue: The saw will not start. The switch has been cleaned and then it was replaced. The motor control box (on the back) has been cleaned. The saw can be manually started from the magnetic switch in the controller box. The real question: What is the best course of action to resolve this issue? We can start replacing parts inside the controller... or does anyone have a good tool guy who we can call? Thanks for all of the help. Feel free to email me here and off list. Thanks again. Mike Wade mike [at] focusnote.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:53:08 -0700 Subject: Re: A new perception of box stores Message-ID: <20040603.175337.2120.2.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg The IA 'bug' that adorns my toolbox is NOT in insect. /s/ Richard > A bug is actually a specific type of insect. > Jerry Durand ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:51:10 -0700 Subject: Re: A new perception of box stores Message-ID: <20040603.175337.2120.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Cities also use extremely predatory tactics to lure car dealers away from nearby cities and into their own city limits. They want the Sales Tax! /s/ Richard > Neighboring towns then spring into action wanting the new > jobs and people drive to save when the stores open there. > Steve ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:00:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Table Saw Troubleshooting Message-ID: <20040603.180021.2120.3.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Check the starting capacitors, if they are utilized on your model, and then see if the latching relay is 'dropping out' when it should stay latched. /s/ Richard > The saw can be manually started from the magnetic > switch in the controller box. > We can start replacing parts inside the controller > Mike Wade ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40BFE87B.3010804 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:11:55 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: NPR music file? References: In-Reply-To: Storms, Randy wrote: > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >>Does anyone have an .MP3 of NPR's "Cantata for Strand 520i" ? I lost my >>copy and it is apparently no longer available on the www site. >> I think It's still at: http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/20011201/ram_files/07_light.ram But I don't have Real Audio so I can't check the accuracy of my claim Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:18:45 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: NPR music file? At 11:11 PM -0400 6/3/04, Stuart Wheaton wrote: >I think It's still at: >http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/20011201/ram_files/07_light.ram > >But I don't have Real Audio so I can't check the accuracy of my claim That's where it lives. I've also got it as a local file, which I've been distributing to several List Denizens already. (Hi, Denizens!) -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: "Shawn Nolan" Subject: Re: Automation, Counterweight rigging and many related topics Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:41:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c449ee$494a32a0$0302a8c0 [at] Laptop1> So, a guy can=92t go out of town for a few days=85 Where to begin? Firstly, Uncle Bill=92s direction to enjoy is very apt. = =20 All I have to do to remember how much I love this business is to=20 remember how bored I was doing engineering for warehouses and two=20 story office buildings. I=92ll try not to reiterate what has been said too much, and much has been said. Yes, automation is here to stay. It is both scary and,=20 potentially, beautiful (kudos to Loren). Adapt or sit on the=20 sidelines and drink beer. Maintenance, training and other safety=20 related issues are absolutely key. =20 I recall a discussion with Stirling Shelton at Cincy Playhouse=20 (I don=92t think he=92ll mind the re-telling) regarding =93what mistakes = the kids are allowed to make today=94 (I paraphrase here=85). The=20 question at hand was: Do the kids get to make the same mistakes=20 we made when we were starting out? The context was: Automated=20 items versus =93the old fashioned=94 stuff. The specific issue: How=20 much damage can occur when a 5 hp motor attached to a winch (or=20 some such similar item) goes awry. The answer: Decidedly no, at=20 least not in the same way we did. Yes, we could certainly have=20 runaways and drop weights but, the amount of potential energy at=20 hand and the ease with which it can be applied (or miss-applied)=20 are dramatically different. Another somewhat pertinent anecdote: During my first serious=20 encounter with automation (a 1991 production of Christmas Carol=20 which, believe it or not, is still running=85with many updated=20 machines=85[thanks Stirling]) we had a programmer out from the=20 local Allen Bradley rep to give us a hand. Ahh, the joys of=20 ladder logic. He came in one evening and told us he=92d had a=20 bad day. It seems he was doing some programming at the local=20 steel mill (A.K. Steel in Middletown) and, due to a ladder=20 logic error had =93snapped a 1=94 diameter wire rope=85=94. Just due=20 to a few errant key strokes=85 It is absolutely imperative, when working with automated items=20 that all parties are aware of the ease with which the power at=20 their fingertips can be directed. We definitely are crossing=20 into new territory and like all new frontiers, the rules and good=20 intentions are a bit fuzzy. Someone on the list (Bill?) said=20 that a different skill set is required when working with=20 automation. Absolutely true. A key part of that skill set is a=20 good understanding of physics. I=92m probably getting on my high=20 horse a bit here but, once you understand the potential for=20 disaster, you have a much greater respect for the power you=20 control (now if I could just explain potential versus kinetic=20 energy to the guy tailgating me at 70 mph=85but, I digress). Well, that=92s all for now I think. =20 Remember, maintenance, safety and training are key. Your friendly, neighborhood entertainment engineer=20 (and gray haired ex-TD) Shawn Shawn Nolan, P.E. Project Engineer Entertainment Structures Group 10411 Medallion Drive, Suite 121 Cincinnati, OH=A0 45241 (513) 699-2571=A0 Direct Line (513) 542-3300 Main Line (513) 542-5540 Fax (513) 706-3125 Mobile ShawnN [at] EntertainmentStructures.com www.EntertainmentStructures.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040604052247.72461.qmail [at] web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Steeve Vajk Subject: Re: Just don't face upwind! In-Reply-To: ==========Matthew Breton Wrote: >Didn't the "can you get electrocuted by urinating on the third rail" >urban myth make it onto some TV show or another? (And, if so, since >I barely have time to watch anymore, could someone tell me the >results?) Discovery Channel has a show called Myth Busters. They try to debunk or at least factualize urban myths. They did a show on this subject, and they found that they could not get a current to flow. They felt the problem was that the "stream" didn't stay intact, but broke up into droplets quickly, thus breaking the circuit. I don't remember if they were testing with AC or DC. They also assumed you were standing upright, giving you several feet of arc. But in a house old enough to use salt water dimmers, odds are pretty good that it's also DC, which arcs much easier. Of course, if the tanks are at a "convenient" height, you might get yourself into some real trouble. Hopefully the resulting muscle spasms would "redirect" you onto the moron standing next to you cheering you on. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:46:24 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Just don't face upwind! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Steeve Vajk wrote: > upright, giving you several feet of arc. But in a house old enough to > use salt water dimmers, odds are pretty good that it's also DC, which > arcs much easier. Of course, if the tanks are at a "convenient" height, A couple of things here - salt water dimmers were used in some theatres through the 1950s and I think they would work better in the long run with AC than with DC since DC would cause migration of electrode material in only one direction, which means they would deteriorate faster than with AC. Also, in order for DC to arc, a current has to be flowing before it is broken and in order for current to start flowing when gaps between droplets are consistently present, the voltage has to be high enough to bridge the gaps, which probably means thousands of volts. All pretty hypothetical but it could be researched ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:48:01 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: A new perception of box stores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Jerry Durand wrote: > A bug is actually a specific type of insect. Except when it's in software ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #29 ****************************