Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #35 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:00:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #35 1. Video Signal Routing by "pete quinlan" 2. Re: Lamp Warming (Was Re: Grandmasters) by Dorian Kelly 3. Re: Grandmaster Faders by BKHAIN [at] aol.com 4. Re: Video Projector by Boyd Ostroff 5. Re: Adapt or sit on the sidelines by "Paul Schreiner" 6. Re: pricing penguins by "Randy B." 7. Re: Pit Nets by "Stephen E. Rees" 8. S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by Kate Daly 9. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by Charlie Richmond 10. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by Charlie Richmond 11. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by "Tony Deeming" 12. Re: S/N by MissWisc [at] aol.com 13. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by Richard Niederberg 14. blackout button by Judy 15. Re: Video signal routing by "Michael Finney" 16. Re: Video signal routing by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. Re: Video signal routing by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: Video signal routing by "Brian Desmond" 19. Re: Video Projector by Rigger 20. Re: I'm cranky tonight by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: Video Projector by "Tony Deeming" 22. Re: Lamp Warming (Was Re: Grandmasters) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: Video Projector by MissWisc [at] aol.com 25. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by David Duffy 26. A Question For The Folks Down Under by Dan Nord 27. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by Kate Daly 28. Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) by Pat Kight 29. Re: Lamp warming by Steeve Vajk 30. Re: Lamp Warming by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 31. Re: I'm cranky tonight by CB 32. Re: A Question For The Folks Down Under by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 33. Re: A Question For The Folks Down Under by Rigger 34. Re: said Tom. by "Tom Heemskerk" 35. Re: I'm cranky tonight by Noah Price 36. List Guidelines by Noah Price *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pete quinlan" Subject: Video Signal Routing Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:10:55 +0800 Message-ID: Thanks to all for your input. I have put together some options for the client and I will present them and see if they are as ambitous!!! I am sure I will be back with more questions once I get to the business end of things!! Thanks again Pete Quinlan _________________________________________________________________ Smart Saving with ING Direct – earn 5.25% p.a. variable rate: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7249209;8842331;n?http://www.ingdirect.com.au/burst6offer.asp?id=8 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:31:26 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Lamp Warming (Was Re: Grandmasters) Lamp warming.. Why? To get control! All the nice feel - goodness and subtlty of a lighting cue is at the bottom end of the scale. Thats one of the reasons why fader curves are usually an s-shape to give lots of control at the top and bottom ends and less in the middle where they eye is more forgiving. It's not the level of light that affects our psychology so much as the dynamics of the way it changes. The human eye is incredibly sensitive to luminance changes at low levels and this has a profound effect on the way we feel. Changes of light level between imperceptible (at the concious level) to about 30 percent, are one of the great controllers of mood, emotions and feeling in an audience. A slight drop or raise can cause a feeling to sweep like a hurricane through an audience - or an innapropriate bump of light at this level can kill these feelings stone dead, and distract an audience out of the mood that you and the actors have painstakingly created. Warming the filaments gives you control over these tiny levels and prevents bumping in, also ensures that you have control of the red colour shift and therefore the light warmth at low levels. And it does prolong lamp life. The other reason is to make the lamps of different wattages fade in together. Imagine a cue consisting of a 2K sunlight through a window, a domestic table lamp and a 500w covering fresnel, all plotted at levels and fading in over 7 seconds. Because of the different filament characteristics and cold resistance. this will look like a three part fade. The tablelamp will come on first followed shortly by the fresnel and after a perceptible pause the 2k follows. Warming the 2k filament will help prevent this . You can build your warming into the previous cue if you are clever. or you can set the bottom trim so nothing ever goes below about 0.5 percent, but thats a bit drastic. Dorian Kelly Illuminati Creative Technology, Colchester, UK ------------------------------ From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ce.230a8fe4.2df7069c [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:10:04 EDT Subject: Re: Grandmaster Faders >So, honestly, do you or do you not use a Grandmaster on your lighting = >console? >If there's one there, do you disable it (via software or by sticking = >tape beneath the fader)? >Do you use the GM creatively - if so, how? >Have you ever wanted more than one? >?Enquiring minds want to know......... I have used the grandmaster on occasion on manual boards. Don't think I've ever used it on the ETC Express but haven't disabled either. Ben Hain Benjamin Hain Jon Hassler Theatre Technical Director / Lighting Designer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Video Projector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, CB wrote: > I was just saying last night that painted drops are going to be history in > less than twenty years Yeah, just like those who predicted that by 2000 we would be working 12 hours a week while robots cleaned our homes, commuting in nuclear powered helicopters and using free electricity. ;-) Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200406081324.i58DOC1o008333 [at] webmail.longwood.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Adapt or sit on the sidelines Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:24:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: > Darts (and that other bar sport, pool) are an art, not a mere game. Agreed on the art aspect...though there are plenty of other sports out there (some of which can't be played with a beer in hand, even) of which the same could be said. Last night's Game 7 was pretty close... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005101c44d5c$b4e12340$01484898 [at] A.SCJ.COM> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: pricing penguins Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:30:03 -0500 > i daresay that i know not if these folks are for real or not... > > http://www.penguinwarehouse.com > > ...but if nothing else, there are prices and you can enjoy a good laugh. Well I am driving right pass them this weekend one way to wedding. maybe I can get a cash & carry discount :) Randy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40C5C671.2040904 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:00:17 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: Pit Nets References: Hi, I recently had Syracuse Scenery and Stage Lighting fabricate a nice piece of goods from black scrim with a pocket on the conductor edge for A/C cable and black web and grommets on the forestage and side edges. I faxed the drawing to them and had the goods in about 5 days. I was able to screw the goods to the deck through the grommets and tensioned the A/C cable with a turnbuckle affixed to the sidewalls of the stage steps. I thought the cost was reasonable. BTW, the intent of this net was to keep confetti, feathers and flowers out of the pit. It did keep a baseball out of the pit during a rehearsal for Damn Yankees as well. It was never intended to act as a safety net for performers or others and would fail should someone fall on it. Safety nets can be had but I didn't think it was what you were looking for. SSSL is at 800 453-7775. Ask for Sheila. FAX is 315 453-7897. HTH. Best, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Robert D. Ingram wrote: > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Hi Everyone, > > I've been running into trouble finding anyone who sell's "pit nets". ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040608100757.01cdc280 [at] popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:09:27 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:37 AM 6/8/2004, David Duffy wrote: >BTW, was the S/N ratio of this list always so poor or just since it's been >back? S/N ratio? Um, am I being dim? Can't decode this. -Kate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:09:10 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Kate Daly wrote: > S/N ratio? Um, am I being dim? Can't decode this. Signal to Noise ration - it's an audio term indicating quality of signal ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:12:38 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Charlie Richmond wrote: > Signal to Noise ration - it's an audio term indicating quality of signal ;-) sorry - this should read: Signal to Noise ratio - it's an audio term indicating quality of reception Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01cc01c44d65$533abad0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:31:45 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Richmond" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Charlie Richmond wrote: > > > Signal to Noise ration - it's an audio term indicating quality of signal ;-) > > sorry - this should read: > > Signal to Noise ratio - it's an audio term indicating quality of reception > > Charlie > Or more accurately, the level of signal against the level of noise/interference/rubbish on a line etc 8-)) Ynot ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <167.30601aa5.2df72d44 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:55:00 EDT Subject: Re: S/N What!!!??? Your computer doesn't have a squelch knob??? AKA delete key? ;D Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:38:23 -0700 Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) Message-ID: <20040608.083836.2548.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Signal to Noise ratio. Undistorted Amplitude of Signal above the Noise Floor. For a home sound system in the 60s, a 68dB was considered OK. These days, that would be considered entirely inadequate, even for handheld devices, when you consider that a theoretical 10,000:1 S/N is easily affordable in off-the-shelf devices. Older Marantz receivers (with tiny oscilloscopes) just can't compete. /s/ Richard > S/N ratio? Um, am I being dim? Can't decode this. > -Kate ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40C5F3F5.4040208 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:14:29 +0200 From: Judy Subject: blackout button Most of the boards here (Compulite) have a menu option to render the blackout button inactive. I do this automatically by now whenever I get to a board, and often the board ops don't know about it and don't bother to put it back to active. So it's become my "Kilroy was here", when there's a board with an inactive BO button they know Judy did it! >What I don't like is the blackout button. It gives you only a hint of >> the functionality of the grandmaster yet it is another button for >> curious ops to play with. > > > > I'll second that one! More than once I've accidentally hit the B/O >button. It serves no useful purpose that I can see that can't be done with >the grand master. > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 "Adam Berns" wrote: <> =20 I'd second both Adam's evaluation (I'd missed the original "it goes in the stage manager's panel" spec...) and his comment on the Extron gear. I've ended up with about a half dozen of their switcher/router/distro's on jobs over the past year, and they've held up beautifully. =20 If you're really trying to do it on the cheap, take a look at the video distribution stuff carried at SmartHome (www.smarthome.com) - it's "home automation" and home AV stuff, but the prices are good and it's a reasonable source for odd little remote control hardware. I've bought a whole bunch of different distribution boxes from them for small projects, and have been happy with it... Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com =20 http://www.thinkwelldesign.com =20 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.2263ee27.2df750b7 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:26:15 EDT Subject: Re: Video signal routing In a message dated 08/06/04 04:31:12 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > I've never had too many problems making up whatever I needed. Frank, if > you nee any help with cables, let me know. Neither have I. But many connectors these days need special crimping tools to terminate them. Some of them are very pricey, indeed. When they closed down our workshop, I took all of those I thought I might need, for a small consideration. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <86.de26844.2df756c3 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:52:03 EDT Subject: Re: Video signal routing In a message dated 08/06/04 07:01:58 GMT Daylight Time, DesmondB [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us writes: > A switcher or a router? They're two different things. A switcher is the > device which you use to do things like fade between the inputs. A router > has > a bank of inputs and outputs, and you map inputs to outputs (e.g. input > 1 > goes to ouputs 3, 5, and 7). Extron makes good highend routing gear. As I understand it, the requirement is for a device to allow the picture feed to each of two monitors to be selected from the eight available sources. On the most elementary level, this could be done with banks of eight interlocking push-button switches. Since video signals are very touchy about proper terminations, I should myself prefer to see some electronics in the path. Input and output buffers, for instance. There are OP-amps around these days which will handle the 6MHz bandwidth required, and that faithful old workhorse the 4066 as the switching element. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Video signal routing Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:54:52 -0500 Message-ID: <39870A65DDC5AF4F8FA39BD78F06BED13028CE [at] carbon.payton.cps.k12.il.us> From: "Brian Desmond" I understood it as he needed 8 pictures onscreen, like a security camera system or something. --Brian Desmond desmondb [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org =20 v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com [mailto:FrankWood95 [at] aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:52 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Video signal routing For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 08/06/04 07:01:58 GMT Daylight Time,=20 DesmondB [at] payton.cps.k12.il.us writes: > A switcher or a router? They're two different things. A switcher is the > device which you use to do things like fade between the inputs. A router > has > a bank of inputs and outputs, and you map inputs to outputs (e.g. input > 1 > goes to ouputs 3, 5, and 7). Extron makes good highend routing gear. As I understand it, the requirement is for a device to allow the picture feed=20 to each of two monitors to be selected from the eight available sources. On=20 the most elementary level, this could be done with banks of eight interlocking=20 push-button switches. Since video signals are very touchy about proper=20 terminations, I should myself prefer to see some electronics in the path. Input and=20 output buffers, for instance. There are OP-amps around these days which will=20 handle the 6MHz bandwidth required, and that faithful old workhorse the 4066 as=20 the switching element. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:02:12 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Video Projector At 8:17 AM -0400 6/8/04, Boyd Ostroff wrote: > Yeah, just like those who predicted that by 2000 we would be working 12 > hours a week while robots cleaned our homes, commuting in nuclear powered > helicopters and using free electricity. ;-) I'm still waiting for my flying car. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <30.588fb6dc.2df75a4e [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:10 EDT Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight In a message dated 08/06/04 08:40:41 GMT Daylight Time, david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au writes: > BTW, was the S/N ratio of this list always so poor or just since it's > been back? The S/N ratio of this, or of any other list, depends on the signal input. This is the serious technical postings relevant to our craft. But, looser, well lubricated chat, in the bar after a departmental meeting is also valuable. That, I guess, is your noise. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <022001c44d83$fb397dc0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Video Projector Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:11:12 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Video Projector > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ > --------------------------------------------------- > > > At 8:17 AM -0400 6/8/04, Boyd Ostroff wrote: > > > Yeah, just like those who predicted that by 2000 we would be working 12 > > hours a week while robots cleaned our homes, commuting in nuclear powered > > helicopters and using free electricity. ;-) > > > I'm still waiting for my flying car. > > -- I could point you at a few high cliffs..... It would fly for a good few seconds before stopping, I bet!! 8-)) ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <30.588fb6e7.2df75c79 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:16:25 EDT Subject: Re: Lamp Warming (Was Re: Grandmasters) In a message dated 08/06/04 12:36:35 GMT Daylight Time, dorian [at] essex.ac.uk writes: > All the nice feel - goodness and subtlty of a lighting cue is at the > bottom end of the scale. Thats one of the reasons why fader curves are > usually an s-shape to give lots of control at the top and bottom ends and > less in the middle where they eye is more forgiving. It does. This is why I try to cue all my shows for hand operation. A sensitive operator is better than all the timed cues, as a rule. He or she will react to the picture seen as will the audience. Modern boards make this difficult. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6b.2b720969.2df75d55 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:20:05 EDT Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) In a message dated 08/06/04 15:08:48 GMT Daylight Time, KateDaly [at] earthlink.net writes: > S/N ratio? Um, am I being dim? Can't decode this. It's an audio engineering term. It means signal-to-noise ratio. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.2261fec1.2df76fa2 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:38:10 EDT Subject: Re: Video Projector Cc: rigger [at] tds.net In a message dated 6/8/4 1:03:50 PM, rigger [at] tds.net wrote: <> You can buy an aerocar. They have them at EAA every summer. Course it's probably out of the reach of our budgets. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40C62D6D.3070803 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:19:41 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) References: In-Reply-To: At 03:37 AM 6/8/2004, David Duffy wrote: >> BTW, was the S/N ratio of this list always so poor or just since it's >> been back? > > Kate Daly wrote: > S/N ratio? Um, am I being dim? Can't decode this. > -Kate LOL! I must be on too many tech lists! Never gave it a 2nd thought. I meant the ratio between general chat and real topics/discussion. When I subscribed to this list I didn't think I'd see so many posts about Walmart and such. :-) Yes, I can use the delete key but it's hard to tell the on-topic stuff from the subject lines a lot of the time. My other option is to leave the list (which I'll probably do) as the amount of good information I learn here has diminished to the point of being lower than the RATS N/G. Please don't take offence at any of this rant as it's just an observation. :-) David... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040608224250.18628.qmail [at] web61201.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Nord Subject: A Question For The Folks Down Under Hi All, I have a question for any Australians on the list, particularly any Australians who live in Perth and Sydney. The Situation: I recently graduated with a BFA in tech theatre, and I've always had this dream of traveling the globe. After working for a while I've finally managed to scrape together enough to afford this. The last leg of my trip is going to be a number of months in Australia. However, I have some serious misgivings about my financial ability to feed and shelter myself by the time I get there. The Question: Do theatres in Australia have any sort of overhire work for an American who has all his papers and knows his way around a hammer? I'll be staying in Perth starting around October, then in Sydney, and while I'm not averse to the labor and service industry jobs that most guys in my situation tend to seek, I thought I'd see if I could put my education to better use. Any pointers you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Please reply off-list (or at least copy me at this address). I've had to change email addresses recently, and this Yahoo mail account fills up really quickly if I maintain a subscription to the list. Thanks in advance, Dan Nord __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040608185338.01d6c328 [at] popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:55:20 -0400 From: Kate Daly Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) In-Reply-To: References: At 05:19 PM 6/8/2004, you wrote: > Please don't take offence at any of this rant as it's just an > observation. :-) >David... ========= Not at all ... I'll go on lurking here as long as I'm learning something & probably follow you out the door when the S turns into N for me too. Cheers- -Kate ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40C64C00.40301 [at] peak.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:30:08 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: S/N (was Re: I'm cranky tonight) References: In-Reply-To: David Duffy wrote: > LOL! I must be on too many tech lists! Never gave it a 2nd thought. > I meant the ratio between general chat and real topics/discussion. > When I subscribed to this list I didn't think I'd see so many posts > about Walmart and such. :-) Yes, I can use the delete key but it's > hard to tell the on-topic stuff from the subject lines a lot of the time. > My other option is to leave the list (which I'll probably do) as the > amount of good information I learn here has diminished to the point > of being lower than the RATS N/G. Please don't take offence at > any of this rant as it's just an observation. :-) I feel your pain, David, but keep in mind that for the prop builders, costumers and set designers on the list discussions of light/sound tech often amount to "noise" - and vice versa. Yeah, I know, it's not quite the same - but it prompts the same delete-key action. Me, I find the off-topic stuff as interesting as, for instance, show control software ... and often a whole lot more entertaining. (-; -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org http://albanycivic.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040609011011.94739.qmail [at] web41606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Steeve Vajk Subject: Re: Lamp warming In-Reply-To: I run an Obsession II, and I do a 1:00 fade to 15% before every show. I believe that it does help the fixtures save lamps, because it allows the fixtures to soak up some heat, so that when they do come up to or near full (I use %90) for channel check or the show, the bulb and filament are still warm, so that the thermal shock is somewhat reduced. How many MR-16's have you seen blow when popping to full. But the biggest reason I do it is trouble-shooting. When all my lamps are at 15%, it's really easy to walk around on stage and see that EVERY light is on. Any light not on is broken. And when I go up to the cats or wherever, it's easier to find, because it's the one that's not on. Also, it helps find those intermittent faults that show up as flickers at low levels. When the lamp's at full, there's plenty of voltage to arc across some crusty connection. But when it's only got 18 volts, those crusty connections stand out. Standard channel checks won't catch those. I also do a cue that turns on just my scroller units, and then runs an efffect that scrolls all the scrollers together, so that I can easily see that they're all responding to data, and that they all initialized properly, so that colors match. Finally, I run a linked macro that does a flexi-view of a group I made that includes only the channels I want to do a channel check of. (Next'ing follows channels on screen) That way, I always know that at least _something_ should come up every time I hit Next. As for GM's I usually disable them, but on occasion I do use mine: during preview weeks, after the designer has left, and the director wants to work acting stuff, but wants to waste money doing it under light, then I pull the GM down to about %85 to save lamps, color, and $$. The way I look at it, if you're advanced enough in your programming that you find the GM useless, you no doubt know how to turn it off. The GM, to me, is perfectly fine just where and how it is. I wish, though, that Obsession II wasn't so horribly written for moving lights. 16-bit independent channels do NOT respect independent status for the second channel; i.e. GM/Blackout/RemDim/Goto-Cue 0 take those channels out. Having all your wiggles shift when you do a pull-down looks really bad, and makes programming a pain in the [at] $$. Steeve_vajk [at] yahoo.com ===================== South Coast Repertory Segerstrom Stage Lighting Programmer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:55:16 EDT Subject: Re: Lamp Warming Steve writes: >I change about 5-10 lamps a year. >Because of the size of the space I rarely have to run intensities >on the main acting lights above 65%. It is likely that the low number of lamps changed in a year have more to do with the 65% intensities than the preheating routine. By running the lamps that low you are essentially derating them and the lamp life increases significantly. I have patched some difficult to reach fixtures to only go up to 95% to reduce the number of lamp changes required. As a side note, if you are rarely run intensities over 65%, all of your colors will be shifted more toward amber. Might want to consider going to lower wattage lamps for improved color rendition. If there are some spots that needs to be brighter, you can up lamp just those as needed. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040608183804.016ce340 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:38:04 From: CB Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight >I prefer the original message to be quoted at the bottom in >it's entirety because I don't always get to read the messages all the time >in one sitting. If for some reason I do not understand the reply I can look >at the first message at the bottom. Ehm, that's why there's a 'Subject:' field. If you missed a part, you can always refer to the original. OTOH, if everyone always repeated the entire message, the digest would have to come eleven times a day. As it is, there are still some folk, that when combined in a thread of their own, will repeat everything said, and us digesters get to wade through it six or eight times a minute. Anywho, reposing the entire message makes it really difficult to see what part of the message the poster is refering to. >Could the digest software be configured to removed repeated content so that >in a digest the original is not repeated so many times ant the original >appears at the bottom. Sounds like its easier to put oin slippers than carpet the neighborhood. ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <84.2b6da998.2df7d9a8 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:10:32 EDT Subject: Re: A Question For The Folks Down Under In a message dated 6/8/04 6:44:25 PM, dandnord [at] yahoo.com writes: << SNIP The Situation: I recently graduated with a BFA in tech theatre, and I've always had this dream of traveling the globe. After working for a while I've finally managed to scrape together enough to afford this. SNIP >> Holy Carry-on Baggage Batman!!! He works for a while and can now afford a trip around the world??? I want his job! Bill Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:40:06 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: A Question For The Folks Down Under At 11:10 PM -0400 6/8/04, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: > Holy Carry-on Baggage Batman!!! He works for a while and > can now afford a trip around the world??? I want his job! I've had his job... No, Bill; you really don't. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00a301c44de5$8a88fee0$0ee2f4cc [at] oemcomputer> From: "Tom Heemskerk" References: Subject: Re: said Tom. Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:49:30 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Guncheon" > "We went to Radio Shack and ate all their resistors", said Tom ominously. > > "Watt? My current position is that anyone who ampheres our work will be > sent ohm and hopefully will di of ode age. Now turn this thing on!" said > Tom with delight > > "Once upon a time there was a beautiful princess," Tom began grimly. > "Uncle!" said Tom, upping the ante. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: I'm cranky tonight Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:56:44 -0700 On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:00 AM, Eric Minton wrote: > That is why I asked if it were possible to control the digest format > and only get one original included with the digest. The list server can't tell when quoting is appropriate and when it is excessive. That is best judged by the author. I suggest assuming that people reading a message have read the thread, and just need to be shown the specific aspect you're replying to. On Jun 8, 2004, at 12:37 AM, David Duffy wrote: > BTW, was the S/N ratio of this list always so poor or just since it's > been back? There's always been a mix of banter vs. direct stagecraft discussion. I always recommend improving the signal by asking questions on topics you're interested in. I also find it easier to cut whatever I might consider "noise" on any mailing list by getting single messages and having my email program file them to a folder. Then I can pretty easily delete a whole thread at a time if I don't want to follow it. Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Message-Id: <178F55E0-B9DA-11D8-B8B6-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: List Guidelines Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:58:55 -0700 I realized the introductory message people get when subscribing doesn't reference the list guidelines... I'll fix that :-) You'll find 'em here: I didn't make these up, they've been with the list for years, practically unchanged :-) > 7. Quote sparingly. If you are replying to someone else's post, > include only as much of that post as necessary to make yours > understood. In particular, avoid auto-quoting the entire digest! > 9. Finally, be civil to each other. It is possible to have differing > opinions, strong feelings and even vigorous debates without being > discourteous to each other. Let's not degenerate into arguments about > the "right" way to do things. We've found that different solutions are > "right" in different situations. "Flames" generate heat, but not much > light. It's always worth assuming that the other person has good > intentions. Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #35 ****************************