Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #39 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:01:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #39 1. Peanuts, etc.... by Rigger 2. Stagehand bar type question... by Stuart Wheaton 3. Re: Stagehand bar type question... by Rigger 4. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by "Tony Deeming" 5. Re: Stagehand bar type question... by "Tony Deeming" 6. scrap wood by b Ricie 7. Re: Stagehand bar type question... by Rigger 8. Re: Stagehand bar type question... by "Tony Deeming" 9. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 10. Re: fire extinguishers (was Nightingales) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 11. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: fire extinguishers (was Nightingales) by "John Gibilisco" 13. Re: Stagehand bar type question... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 14. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by FREDERICK W FISHER 15. Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days by "Mike Rock" 16. Re: Not About Nightingales by CB 17. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by CB 18. Re: S/N by CB 19. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by "Harold Hallikainen" 20. Re: S/N by CB 21. VLPS and PRG Merge by "Michael Eddy" 22. Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 23. Re: S/N by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: S/N by Charlie Richmond 25. Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days by "Delbert Hall" 26. Steam effect by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 27. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by Stuart Wheaton 28. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 29. Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 30. Re: Steam effect by "John Gibilisco" 31. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by "Joe Meils" 32. Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 33. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by "Tony Deeming" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:40:06 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Peanuts, etc.... Sandy wrote: > OK, enough... Reality lives somewhere south of your post and north of the post you're responding to. I dare say that for the lion's share of the members of this list, the presence of antibiotics has long made death-by-common-cold and death-by-not-washing-your-hands a bit of historical trivia. Hell, they've only been around for what, fifty years now? I know when I was growing up, the only thing that could (and would) kill me for not washing my hands was my mom. (for illustrative purposes, i will now engage in the typical liberal "debate" tactic known as "hype.") Kids today are growing up coddled, and you know it. They don't harden their immune systems, because they don't go outside; playtime is spent in front of the One-Eyed Monster with a PlayStation 2 control in their mitts, and you know it. But we still insist on putting the many subserviant to the few - separating the kids with allergies so that everyone else can enjoy peanut butter wouldn't make any sense. No, it's far better to deprive everyone for little Johnny's sake. "But if we save one child, it's okay!" Charles Darwin would disagree, I suspect. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CB1166.50304 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:21:26 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Stagehand bar type question... Yeah, this one might not be totally On topic, but we know so much useful stuff, and I need an answer. I recently purchased a house built in 1948. Under the kitchen carpet (Why would anyone carpet a kitchen?) that was glued to a layer of peel and press tiles, was the original linoleum floor. Most of it is in pretty good shape, and I like the look, plus I'm hemorrhaging money so I'd like to keep it for at least a year or so. I've heard I can refinish it with linseed oil, but I haven't been able to get specifics about prep, application, and so forth. If anybody has experience on this stuff, please share! Thanks very much. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:39:34 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Stagehand bar type question... At 10:21 AM -0400 6/12/04, Stuart Wheaton wrote: > I've heard I can refinish it with linseed oil, but I haven't > been able to get specifics about prep, application, and so > forth. If anybody has experience on this stuff, please share! I don't know about linseed oil, but most hardware stores (at least the larger ones) carry floor refinishers that work really well on old linoleum, among other floor surfaces. (Restore-A-Floor, maybe?) You'll need to *really* clean the floor first, obviously, then just follow the directions on the bottle. (yo, barkeep! pimm's and ginger ale, please) -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002501c4508e$a3a6eb20$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:05:03 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Peanuts, etc.... > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sandy wrote: > > > > > > Kids today are growing up coddled, and you know it. They don't harden > their immune systems, because they don't go outside; playtime is > spent in front of the One-Eyed Monster with a PlayStation 2 control > in their mitts, and you know it. > > But we still insist on putting the many subserviant to the few - > separating the kids with allergies so that everyone else can enjoy > peanut butter wouldn't make any sense. No, it's far better to deprive > everyone for little Johnny's sake. > This, I have to say, is a pretty fair and accurate description of the way I also see today's society. I lose count of the occasions where 'you can't do THAT' just because some isolated possibility MIGHT occur (And no, I am NOT talking about basic safety practices, I'm talking about every day situations). Well said, Rigger!! Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002d01c4508e$ed0f2f70$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Stagehand bar type question... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:07:06 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" > > (yo, barkeep! pimm's and ginger ale, please) > > -- > Dave Vick, IATSE #274 WHAT? PIMMS????? Sorry, Dave, but that's just notched you down a couple of rungs I'm afraid, mate!! (REAL men drink beer! (And in the UK, bitter, not that lush lager-beer stuff!!!!!) 8-))) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040612153330.59828.qmail [at] web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: scrap wood In-Reply-To: Small Budget, Small shop, there has to be a happy middle ground. There is, Scrap wood keeps me warm at home in the winter and warm on the beach in summer. I used to worry about not having enough budget to purchase the shows requirements but that has changed to a new way of thinking. Now, my philosophy is the budget has to be big enough to handle the shows requirements. Clean the shop, Pull from stock, save only the good and let the bad burn. ===== Brian Rice b_ricie [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:33:35 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Stagehand bar type question... At 4:07 PM +0100 6/12/04, Tony Deeming wrote: >WHAT? >PIMMS????? >Sorry, Dave, but that's just notched you down a couple of rungs I'm afraid, >mate!! >(REAL men drink beer! (And in the UK, bitter, not that lush lager-beer >stuff!!!!!) I'd also like a Drambuie neat, and what would a Brit know about Real Men, anyway? (narf-narf-narf) -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004e01c45097$a5813a50$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: Stagehand bar type question... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:09:31 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Stagehand bar type question... > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 4:07 PM +0100 6/12/04, Tony Deeming wrote: > > >WHAT? > >PIMMS????? > >Sorry, Dave, but that's just notched you down a couple of rungs I'm afraid, > >mate!! > >(REAL men drink beer! (And in the UK, bitter, not that lush lager-beer > >stuff!!!!!) > > > I'd also like a Drambuie neat, and what would a Brit know about Real > Men, anyway? > > (narf-narf-narf) > > -- > Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Drambuie?! Pharp! Scotch, mate! 8-)) Ynot ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1da.23d6f2b7.2dfc88d4 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:27:00 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... In a message dated 6/12/4 6:41:45 AM, rigger [at] tds.net wrote: <> Strengthening an immune system has to do with limited exposure to germs (bacteria/viruses) so the body has a chance to make anti-bodies before the infection can take hold. There are more germs indoors than out thanks to the germ killing properties of UV light/oxygen and the air-tight properties of modern buildings. Many parents believe the TV ads, so they "bleach everything possible; use germ killing soap on the rest" and end up exposing kids to more harmful chemicals than they need plus kill the "good" germs that help us to keep healthy along with the bad ones. A nightly bath and wash hands before eating is all a kid needs. Works for most adults too. Dave, you and I grew up when kids finished supper and went out to play until the street lights came on or the mosquitos were too bad to swat and swing the bat at the same time. That's not possible in many places because of polution, crime, lack of space, or lack of supervision. <> It's all about not being sued. Nut allergies are nasty things. Wrongful death suit can be VERY expensive. Kristi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7a.59bacd44.2dfc996e [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:37:50 EDT Subject: Re: fire extinguishers (was Nightingales) In a message dated 12/06/04 05:57:14 GMT Daylight Time, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com writes: > Particularly where students are involved, a strong distinction should be made > > between any units used for effects and those that are in place to fight > fires. Casual practices can so easily be turned into deadly habits. This is vitally important. An empty extinguisher is of no use. In the days of Carbon Tetrachloride, people had a bad habit of using 'just a little drop' for dry cleaning. Your extinguisher inspection and maintenance company should be able to help. OT, but they are also likely to run training classes for you, bringing a flame bath with them, and enough extinguishers so that the whole class can have a go. We used to run one for our FOH staff every year. It costs, but it's worth it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:53:26 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... In a message dated 12/06/04 12:41:45 GMT Daylight Time, rigger [at] tds.net writes: > But we still insist on putting the many subserviant to the few - > separating the kids with allergies so that everyone else can enjoy > peanut butter wouldn't make any sense. No, it's far better to deprive > everyone for little Johnny's sake. > > "But if we save one child, it's okay!" > Charles Darwin would disagree, I suspect. I think you are right. Over the past sixty-odd years, I have cut myself on various edged tools, stabbed myself with screwdrivers, grazed my knees and knuckles, and achieved many other small wounds. None has done me any serious harm: all have taught me something. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002601c450a6$42c7cc80$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References: Subject: Re: fire extinguishers (was Nightingales) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:54:08 -0500 > Steve V wrote: > Since we have a wide range of readers on this list, perhaps it would be good > to clarify that the *job* of a CO2 extinguisher (and any other type of fire > extinguisher) is to be ready at all times to extinguish fires. > > Practice safety. WithExtinguishers and peanut butter. ;-) Thanks Steve and to the list in general. I'll be compiling these posts for our Staff. John Gibilisco Omaha Playhouse ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.229eecef.2dfc9fc6 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:04:54 EDT Subject: Re: Stagehand bar type question... In a message dated 12/06/04 16:35:32 GMT Daylight Time, rigger [at] tds.net writes: > >(REAL men drink beer! (And in the UK, bitter, not that lush lager-beer > >stuff!!!!!) Real German or Czechoslovakian Lager is in a different world. Pilsener Urquell, Budweiser Budvar, and Kolsch come to mind. There are very many others. > I'd also like a Drambuie neat, and what would a Brit know about Real > Men, anyway? Yecch! Sweet whisky? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:17:45 -0500 From: FREDERICK W FISHER Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Message-id: <7da6997dd22b.7dd22b7da699 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> Rigger wrote: < separating > the kids with allergies so that everyone else can enjoy peanut > butter > wouldn't make any sense. No, it's far better to deprive everyone > for little Johnny's > sake.>> > Kristi replied: > It's all about not being sued. Nut allergies are nasty things. > Wrongful death > suit can be VERY expensive. Fred replies: We would agree with most of what Kristi said in terms of exposure to germs and our mania for cleaning. We keep bottles of hand sanitizers at work for the box office and backstage. In the box office they are handling cash all day and backstage we often miking people from all over the world. I have become a bit compulsive about hand washing, but I clean my hands every time I mic or demic someone and since I"ve started doing that, I have gotten very few colds or flu types diseases. My wife cooks at a day care center and has to watch the diet of several of the children there, mostly for religious reasons. She offers non meat alternatives to the children whose parents request it. It also gives her the opportunity to make tasty tofu and lentil dishes for the whole crowd. Federal dietary guidelines, influenced by the beef board and their running dogs, prohibit the serving of purely vegetarian meals. We disagree with Kristi about the peanut issue. No care provider wants to cause a child injury because they care for the children and aren't worrying about the insurance companies. Perhaps that should be a focus others of us could use in our work in show biz. Fred ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c450ae$4fe473c0$176e1745 [at] Spankythelovemachine> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:51:45 -0500 "None has done me any serious harm: > all have taught me something. " > Frank Wood Well said, now if only parents would stop being so protective of there kids and let them live and learn sometimes. Who rembers running behind the DDT truck? My mom said that the ice cream truck used to follow it around becasue that is were all the kids were. Mike Rock ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040612115605.016e2018 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:56:05 From: CB Subject: Re: Not About Nightingales >I guess I could stretch my imagination far enough to say it kinda sounds >like steam. There are other times when we want a burst of non-pyro >"smoke" for an effect. This is a job for 'Sound Man'! Have the skweek cover it with a "foom" sound effect or something similar. The sound effect is the cue for the extinguisher op. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040612120004.016e2018 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:00:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) ><driver.>> > >People who walk up. Hmmm.... We're encouraging blind folk to walk thru the drive-up window? Kristi, Kristi, Kristi. You were kidding, right? I think it has more to do with the assembly line at the ATM plant. Build one that suits any location, and you can use it anywhere. Customizaton costs money, replication cuts bottom line. Chris Babbie Location Sound Tucson, AZ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040612121027.016e2018 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:10:27 From: CB Subject: Re: S/N >For Heaven's sake! As you would know, if you remembered any of my posts, I've >spent 28 years or more using, aligning, testing, specifying designing and >installing professional broadcast audio equipment. I'm always leery about such resumes, the last one I got like this was, "I've been working in Radio for twenty-three years, I think I know a bit about what to do behind the sound console!" This guy had cotton stuffed in one ear and some disgusting drainage out of the other and his most common phrase was "WHAT?". Frank, remembering your posts on audio is waht led me to that statement. ; > >In terms of the list, which is what this post was originally about, we have >both contributed to the noise. Phhhhhbtbtbtbtbttt! Now, THAT'S noise... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <47908.207.177.227.29.1087069266.squirrel [at] kauko.hallikainen.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) From: "Harold Hallikainen" Contracted Braille (previously called grade two) is a very interesting (and, at times, complicated) language. I ended up studying it extensively to design the BrailleMaster (http://www.brailletutor.com). The manual, which includes my interpretation of the theory of braille, is available as pdf and audio on the website. Harold -- FCC Rules Online at http://www.hallikainen.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040612122211.016e2018 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:22:11 From: CB Subject: Re: S/N >Yeah, especially since I answered the question in the first response given to >it, within a few minutes ;-) Maybe I was too subtle The part that I added was the part that noise isn't always generated by the gear (or a bad gain structure). Noise is signal. Unwanted signal. Whether acoustic or electrical. Imagine filming (I know, not our gig, but it's just an example) a scene where two people are talking in a crowd. If the director wants the conversation of those two people, all the crowd sound is noise. If the director wants a crowd scene, all the crowd sound is signal. What is signal and what is noise is in the ear of the behearer (?!?). Suggesting that I taught you (or Frank) nothing new with these thoughts is probably accurate, but suggesting that no one on the list brought anything away from them is probably off base. I remember getting taught to windsurf by a pro. This guy was great. It took me three days to get the sail up and ride. When I taught my first student, he was riding the first afternoon, within an hour. The difference was that I remembered the learning process and baby-steps that I took, and didn't leap right into how to tack the thing. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "Michael Eddy" Subject: VLPS and PRG Merge Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:59:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Big doings, PRG and VLPS have merged. You can follow this link to the news on the Lighting&Sound America website: http://www.lightingandsoundamerica.com/news/story.asp?ID=HZ5SW0 Best regards, Michael Eddy Michael S. Eddy Lighting&Sound America michael [at] plasa.org www.lightingandsoundamerica.com Subscribe to Lighting&Sound America magazine: https://www.ezsubscription.com/lsa/sub.htm ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <13.2d47652f.2dfcc8ea [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:00:26 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days In a message dated 6/12/04 2:51:34 PM, rockm [at] new.rr.com writes: << Who rembers running behind the DDT truck? My mom said that the ice cream truck used to follow it around becasue that is were all the kids were. >> Yup. I remember doing that. No problems. I have to shave off that third arm growing out of my chest once a month, but other than that..... Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, our work. and under, ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:53:21 EDT Subject: Re: S/N In a message dated 12/06/04 20:42:08 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >For Heaven's sake! As you would know, if you remembered any of my posts, > I've > >spent 28 years or more using, aligning, testing, specifying designing and > >installing professional broadcast audio equipment. > > I'm always leery about such resumes, the last one I got like this was, > "I've been working in Radio for twenty-three years, I think I know a bit > about what to do behind the sound console!" This guy had cotton stuffed in > one ear and some disgusting drainage out of the other and his most common > phrase was "WHAT?". I agree with you in principle. "Talk is cheap, whisky costs money". But stll, there were days whn my desk was stacked a foot high with drawings, all of which needed checked, before they were issued. I don't think you know what a professional engineer has to do. Never mind the electronics; that's the easy bit. Panel layouts, exact wiring diagrams, these are all more trouble. But, without them, the gear canot be built. > Frank, remembering your posts on audio is waht led me to that statement. ; > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:04:06 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: S/N In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, CB wrote: > Maybe I was too subtle The part that I added was the part that noise isn't All your points are valid but you missed my point. And that that the original question was NOT what constitutes valid signal on this list and what constitutes invalid noise. That subject has been discussed and beat to death innumerable times in the past and is always a valid discussion!!! But that was not the question (although many people assumed it was and the ball started rolling... ;-) The question was (see subject line above!): What does S/N mean? And it was answered in the first response within minutes. That's all the question was and no more!!! Once it was explained that S means signal and N means noise and that S/N means we want more signal and less noise (or, as I explained in audio terms a good Signal-to-Noise ratio) that made the answer pretty clear. That's all I meant and that's the simple answer that the original question required. No more than that because once it was explained the whole situation was clarified. Now... back to the huge discussion that ensued in response to the question that was never asked! ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.../the good ol days Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:08:42 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c450c9$d2cc4ef0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: One of my fond summer memories as a boy was going out at dusk and throwing a 3'x3/4" steel pipe up into the electric wires that ran from pole to pole in the neighborhood. Since the insulation was falling off them, you got a really good light show from the sparks. On one occasion I knocked out the power in the neighborhood for about 30 minutes. I got a good whupin for that one. -Delbert ------------------------------ Subject: Steam effect Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:46:39 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c44e86$8b9b2000$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References: Subject: Not About Nightingales Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:02:04 -0500 I am wondering if anyone has handled the blasts of steam called for in the Tennessee Williams play "Not About Nightingales"? I've not yet recieved a script but understand that the effect of steam blasts from the floor, hits an actor and scalds him. If you have any ideas on how to safely achieve this let me know! We do own a G300 Hazer and a F100 Fogger but these both produce more of a smokey looking effect. Thanks. John Gibilisco Omaha Playhouse John, It's just water vapor, doesn't really have to be hot. Pump up that old Hudson Sprayer and fire way. Needs to be properly lit of course. OTOH I know a few actors who could use a good scalding. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40CBBD20.8050104 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:34:08 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... References: In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > But we still insist on putting the many subserviant to the few - > separating the kids with allergies so that everyone else can enjoy > peanut butter wouldn't make any sense. No, it's far better to deprive > everyone for little Johnny's sake. > > "But if we save one child, it's okay!" > Charles Darwin would disagree, I suspect. > I agree completely. It has nothing to do with saving a child, it has to do with whether the parents accept responsibility for their kid or try to force society to be the parent. I don't need to avoid reproducing because somebody else carries the genes for Tay-Sacs. If your kid has peanut allergies, I sympathise, but it is your job as parent to protect him or her from contact with peanuts. If you wish to enlist my help, ask for it. Demanding that I alter my life so you can be less vigilant in your unusual circumstances is ducking your responsibilities. I know that it takes a village to raise a child, and when I was a kid I grew up in a small enough town that the village really did help raise you, but my parents never abdicated their responsibility in lieu of the rest of the town. The logic here reminds me of the kind of people who think the internet should be 'cleaned up' so their kids can surf and open e-mail unsupervised. What if I paint my set with latex paint and your kid walks by my shop doors and has a latex reaction? Should I stop using latex paint because somebody MIGHT have a problem? Stuart ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:20:47 EDT Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) Rob writes: >In Disney's Epcot park they have a braille map of the whole park. It is in >a strange location so I always wondered how the visually impaired would even >find the map. Kind of like asking a crowd, in English, if anyone doesn't understand English? Or making an announcement that hearing assistance is available? But seriously, at the Disney parks, people tend to come in groups. There are many provisions for guests who have various physical challenges (mobility, sight, hearing, etc.) and the operational assumptions are that (a) someone in the group will be looking out for the person that needs assistance, (b) the individuals in question will ask for assistance when they wish to have it, and (c) all cast members are trained to be sensitive to guests with special needs and will provide assistance and directions as needed. SteveV Orl, FL ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:22:00 EDT Subject: Re: Food for thought... discuss as you please. ;) Dick A. writes: >Under the current rules anyone in this country can be arrested, if they feel like it. Or, in other words, Everything that is not mandatory is prohibited and Anything that is not prohibited is mandatory! ??Are we there yet?? Close. Steve V Orl, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003e01c450f7$bd97c180$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References: Subject: Re: Steam effect Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:37:23 -0500 Marty Petlock wrote: > John, > > It's just water vapor, doesn't really have to be hot? No not at all. I mentioned that we were looking "safe" ideas. I do like your suggestion of using the Hudson because the moisture it produces will look pretty great on the actor. I'm sure we will consider a number of solutions for this effect. I am also looking pretty hard at Nigel Worsley's suggestion of diluting the haze fluid in a Le Maitre G- 300. Perhaps a combination will do the trick. Thanks, John Gibilisco Omaha Playhouse ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c45102$ccdaeae0$4becbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:56:33 -0500 As much as I hate to interrupt this neo-con Limbaugh-esque rant.... You wouldn't have to keep kids with nut allergies from eating peanut butter... peanuts are legumes, NOT nuts, per se. Just FYI. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <88.caaeb75.2dfd3e26 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:20:38 EDT Subject: Re: Braille Sign (Somewhat OT) Cc: psyd [at] cox.net In a message dated 6/12/4 2:31:58 PM, psyd [at] cox.net wrote: <> Wish I were, Chris. Just sharing the answer I got when I asked the same question 15 years ago while working for a the marketing department of a bank holding company. I was asked to order signage for new TYME machines (Wisconsin's version of an ATM) and made the comment "How can a blind person drive?" The response was that those drive-ins are used by pedestrians and people on bikes in addition to autos. Stick around long enough and you'll find out about other careers I've outgrown. ;) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001c01c45122$63d07400$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:39:58 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wheaton" > > Rigger wrote: > > > But we still insist on putting the many subserviant to the few - > > separating the kids with allergies so that everyone else can enjoy > > peanut butter wouldn't make any sense. Stuart wrote > > > I agree completely. > > It has nothing to do with saving a child, it has to do with > whether the parents accept responsibility for their kid or > try to force society to be the parent. > EXACTLY!! Ynot ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #39 ****************************