Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #44 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:01:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #44 1. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by Dorian Kelly 2. Re: Recycling Screws...the economics of it all by "Alf Sauve" 3. Re: S4 Issues by "Sarah Clausen" 4. Re: Flammable visqueen/ RP screen by Loren Schreiber 5. Re: Motorized turntable by Loren Schreiber 6. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by Richard Bakos 7. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 8. Wha...? by "Paul Guncheon" 9. Re: Recycling by "Paul Guncheon" 10. Re: Recycling by Shawn Palmer 11. More on Local One Apprenticeship by Eddie Kramer 12. Re: More on Local One Apprenticeship by Stephen Litterst 13. Re: More on Local One Apprenticeship by IAEG [at] aol.com 14. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by "Tony Deeming" 15. Re: Wha...? by "Tony Deeming" 16. Re: Wha...? by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 17. Re: More on Local One Apprenticeship by Eddie Kramer 18. Re: Wha...? by Rigger 19. Re: Wha...? by Pat Kight 20. Re: S4 Issues by Jason Winslow 21. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 22. Re: Motorized turntable by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: Van Wezel Orchestra Shell by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 24. S4 Issues by "Mike Burnett" 25. Re: Motorized Turntable by "Rob Carovillano" 26. Re: Braille Sign (autism comment) by Mike Brubaker 27. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 28. Re: Frank in London by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 29. Re: Spur or torque washers by CB 30. Re: Peanuts, etc... by CB 31. CMU School of Drama seeks faculty stage manager by David Boevers 32. Hall Stage was RE: Frank in London by "Delbert Hall" 33. Re: Van Wezel Orchestra Shell by IAEG [at] aol.com 34. Re: Peanuts, etc... by "Kacey Fisher" 35. Re: Hall Stage was by 36. Re: Frank in London by Noah Price 37. New edition by Linda Essig 38. Re: Hall Stage was by "Delbert Hall" 39. Re: Wha...? (short rant) by "Joe Meils" 40. Re: Hall Stage was by 41. Re: Hall Stage was by 42. Re: Wha...? (short rant) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 43. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by mat goebel 44. Re: Peanuts, etc.... by Rigger 45. Re: Wha...? (short rant) by Rigger 46. Re: Wha...? (short rant) by Rigger 47. Re: S4 Issues by Steeve Vajk 48. Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? by Steeve Vajk *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:24:14 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- >Mat G.WROTE: >Here is a problem Ive run into at work, and for the life of me I can >figure it out. > >In a leprechon touring rack, we have socapex running into the house, >breaks out, goes to a bubble machine. Hardpatch the multi to any dimmer (SNIPPED) Makes perfect sense to me, as the bubble machine simply is too small and insignificant to be seen by a chopped waveform, specially on cheap dimmers. Any tungsten load like a flood or a spot on a twofer will make it work, but I wouldnt recommend it, it could do a lot of damage to the bubble machine and may take the dimmer fuse as well. A switched system would be far better. Also if its on a stage, consider the slippery floor health and safety risks to dancers. A twisted ankle could be very expensive ------------------------------ Message-ID: <052101c45462$abd3f720$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Recycling Screws...the economics of it all Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:53:21 -0400 Tony, Actually that's the very important point. It's not what you "pay", it's what you "value" the resource that's important. If I have a resource worth $16/hour and I'm only using it to produce $6/hr I'm being economically inefficient. It may make sense as a babysitting service, or a make-busy service, or a get-them-from-underfoot service, but not economically. Any business (that includes all volunteer theatres) would be better served if we (me included) could find a why to get a better return from our resources. This is especially true of skilled workers. Even if they are volunteering. What happens is they spend more hours doing the same job and get burned out eventually. I can hear a friend of mine complaining about all the time it takes to build a set. Mainly because he does things like recycle screws and every small scrap of lumber. I can clean up my work area 2-3 times faster than he does and move on to something else ( or go home). Baring that I don't have a magic answer with what to do with "free" labor standing around at strike time or bored children, who are the price of having their parents volunteer, yes giving them screws to recycle is more productive than having them underfoot. Recycling is better than nothing. BTB, I also refuse to build things using recycled screws. Again, it is a waste of my time to have to inspect every screw or having to remove and replace those that are too striped to drive all the way home. It's frustrating as well. Yes, there are other reasons to recycle. The question is not what you pay someone (or yourself!), but how much do you "value" them and what "return" are you getting from that resource? (remembering that "return" can come in many forms.) Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Deeming" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:35 AM Subject: Re: Recycling Screws...the economics of it all > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Alf - I think you missed (or ignored) the bit about many people being > unpaid, so this math doesn't actually have any relevance! > > 8-))) > > Ynot > > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: S4 Issues Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F212955F6 [at] MIDL-MAILV.etclink.net> From: "Sarah Clausen" Chad wrote: I've got a question concerning some new source four ellipsoidals = recently purchased by the university I attend.... Chad - You don't indicate where you are located, but I would suggest contacting = ETC Technical Services regarding your lens problems. ETC Technical Services - (toll free US) 800 775 4382 Europe - +44 (0)20 8896 1000 Asia - +852 2799 1220 Thanks - Sarah Sarah Clausen Product Manager Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040617055215.02cd6180 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:58:08 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Flammable visqueen/ RP screen In-Reply-To: We routinely use flame retardant visqueen (plastic sheeting) on our stage. It is a bit more milky than regular visqueen and actually diffuses the point source better, but with a bit less overall light transmission. It is possible to apply flame retardant chemicals to regular visqueen using a mixture of phlexglue, but a lot more trouble. Most plastics dealers will carry some version of flame retardant visqueen. At 03:01 AM 6/17/04 -0700, you wrote: >Loren- > >Was the visqeen treated in some way so that it would >not be as flammable? Loren Schreiber Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040617055900.02cd89f0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:04:54 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Motorized turntable In-Reply-To: Look at some of the recent posts on automation and see if you REALLY must motorize the turntable. If you can put a crank on it that might be the way to go. If it REALLY must have a motor on it, then the simplest way it to buy a system (motor, gearbox, drive, controller, cabling, fuses, circuit breakers, enclosures, instruction manual, etc.) from a reputable theatrical supplier. If you want to motorize it because it sounds like it might be fun, then there are a dozen or more on this list that can help with the details--the math, part numbers, design and integration. Of course, many of those same people actually get paid for that sort of work. At 03:01 AM 6/17/04 -0700, you wrote: >I'm in the process of designing and building a motorized turntable for >"James and The Giant Peach." Unfortunately I don't have much to go by. Loren Schreiber Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D19BD9.1000001 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:25:45 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? References: In-Reply-To: I am a little surprised that you don't have the opposite problem. I have had more problems with small loads not turning off. Things like small strobes will trigger off the warming voltage from the dimmer. The solution is to hang a 20 watt light bulb across the dimmer backstage and solve your problem. Rick mat goebel wrote: > In a leprechon touring rack, we have socapex running into the house, > breaks out, goes to a bubble machine. Hardpatch the multi to any > dimmer in the rack. Depressing "fixture test" on the rack for that > dimmer brings the bubble machine on. So far, so good. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:31:03 -0400 From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Message-ID: <6DA8F7D3.4D5AF3F8.022BF668 [at] aol.com> rigger writes: > It sucks, getting old. Yes, but, to quote an old saw, It sure beats the alternative. Jeff Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College Theater & Dance Depts. 845-758-7956 drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <018901c45473$a2be28c0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Wha...? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:01:48 -1000 <> Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is that supposed to mean? Laters, Paul "Can I hail you a taxi?" asked Tom dormantly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <019001c45475$4cb147d0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Recycling Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:13:43 -1000 <> If it takes you 6 seconds to sort out a single dry wall screw, I'm afraid I'd say it's worth far less. In any event, I don't sort used screws as I have said. I do however sort other hardware and it doesn't take me that long. It is also definitely worth it, not only in the savings of money, but the savings of the time spent having to replace the stuff. Laters, Paul "Is your name Frank Lee?" Tom asked frankly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D1AB3F.7010109 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:31:27 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Recycling References: In-Reply-To: >> <> minute then you're saving $6/hour. How much is your time worth? How much >> to do you pay the person who is sorting? Or couldn't they be doing >>something more profitable? >> >>I value my time at considerably more than $6/hour. That's why I don't >> bother.>> > > If it takes you 6 seconds to sort out a single dry wall screw, I'm afraid > I'd say it's worth far less. > > Paul > > "Is your name Frank Lee?" Tom asked frankly. I don't think this says it takes Alf six seconds to sort A drywall screw. If I would take the time to sort my screws, and some of them are used already, it may take me six seconds to find a good one. The other seconds are used putting the old unusable screws in the junk pile. Even if I have lighting fingers and can sort two screws a second (which I can't) it still may take me six seconds of sorting to get a good screw. I get a LOT of people who have never used a screwdriver, manual or otherwise. A lot of my screws would be stripped out- another reason I don't sort. Shawn P ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:39:07 -0400 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: More on Local One Apprenticeship I have been asked "Is there anywhere to get more information on what exactly the apprenticeship test is comprised of?" Areas that will be coved in the Local One Apprenticeship test (This is from the test notice). Problem Solving: Ability to understand written directions and solve problems. Abstract Reasoning: Ability to reason with abstract figures - a nonverbal measure of problem solving. Shop Math: Ability to do quantitative reasoning and basic arithmetic operations in typical shop situations. Tool Knowledge: Ability to identify the name or use of common mechanical tools. Mechanical Reasoning: Ability to understand how machines and other mechanical devices operate. Space Relations: Ability to mentally manipulate forms and objects in space _______________________________________________________________________ >Local One will be giving apprenticeship tests this summer, on August 14, 2004. The tests will be conducted by Personnel Sciences Center and held at the Westin New York, 270 West 43rd Street (8th Avenue). > >To take the test you must by 17 years old or older (by December 31, 2003), and register in advance. > >Registration will be at Local One's office in the Local One Building, 320 West 46th Street (8th and 9th Avenues) on the following dates; > >Monday, June 28 >Tuesday, June 29 >Wednesday, June 30 >Thursday, July 1 or >Saturday, July 2 > > >To register you must provide ; a recent photo (approximately 2x2), furnish your Social Security Number, and pay a non-refundable test fee of $250.00 in cash or check, payable to "T.P.U., Local One, I.A.T.S.E." > >Registrants will be notified by mail of the time and room to report to for the test on August 14, 2004. > >The top forty (40) scorers will be placed on the local's apprenticeship list. After an apprenticeship of 18 months to three years, they will have a full Local One Card. -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:41:21 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: More on Local One Apprenticeship Message-id: <40D1AD91.EA2FABD0 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Eddie Kramer wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have been asked "Is there anywhere to get more information on what exactly the apprenticeship test is comprised of?" > > Areas that will be coved in the Local One Apprenticeship test (This is from the test notice). > Space Relations: > Ability to mentally manipulate forms and objects in space Wow. Local 1 apprentices have to be telekinetic now? Sheesh, the business is getting tougher daily. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <165.304aa65b.2e0307f0 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:42:56 EDT Subject: Re: More on Local One Apprenticeship In a message dated 6/17/04 7:41:55 AM, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: << Eddie Kramer wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have been asked "Is there anywhere to get more information on what exactly the apprenticeship test is comprised of?" > > Areas that will be coved in the Local One Apprenticeship test (This is from the test notice). > Space Relations: > Ability to mentally manipulate forms and objects in space Wow. Local 1 apprentices have to be telekinetic now? Sheesh, the business is getting tougher daily. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu >> I hear that Uri Gellar is on the panel very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00e901c45477$ee6b3020$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:32:34 +0100 But NOT recommended for items that aren't meant to go on dimmable channels - that risks damaging either or both. (hat goes for strobes, too, a the spikes generated by a strobe circuit could feasibly find their way back onto a dimmer channel.....!) Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bakos" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am a little surprised that you don't have the opposite problem. I have > had more problems with small loads not turning off. Things like small > strobes will trigger off the warming voltage from the dimmer. > The solution is to hang a 20 watt light bulb across the dimmer backstage > and solve your problem. > > Rick > > mat goebel wrote: > > > In a leprechon touring rack, we have socapex running into the house, > > breaks out, goes to a bubble machine. Hardpatch the multi to any > > dimmer in the rack. Depressing "fixture test" on the rack for that > > dimmer brings the bubble machine on. So far, so good. > > -- > > Richard Bakos > > President > > Studio One Inc. > > 25833 State Road 2 > > South Bend, In 46619-4736 > > VOICE 574-232-9084 > > FAX 574-232-2220 > > Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com > > www.StudioOnesb.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00f101c45478$350a6960$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Wha...? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:34:33 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Guncheon" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Wha...? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > <> > > Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is that supposed to mean? > It's quite a true statement - inferring that it takes a lot of people (parents, other family members, teachers, friends, youth leaders, etc, etc) to raise kids, and that could be equated to the number of people resident in a village. Capice? 8-)) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040617155603.26834.qmail [at] web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: Wha...? In-Reply-To: > > < child...">> > > > > Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is > that supposed to mean? > > --- Tony Deeming wrote: > It's quite a true statement - inferring that it > takes a lot of people > (parents, other family members, teachers, friends, > youth leaders, etc, etc) > to raise kids, and that could be equated to the > number of people resident in a village. I believe it is also meant to imply that the larger society has a responsibility to the individual, in terms of education, opportunity, etcetera. In the best of all possible worlds, it would also mean that the individual has a responsibility to society, that he/she AND the children are contributing members, or at least not burdens on the system. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:07:25 -0400 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: More on Local One Apprenticeship On 6/17/04 Stephen Litterst sent: >Wow. Local 1 apprentices have to be telekinetic now? Whats with "now" it's always been requirement for a card. As Bill says Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:09:57 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Wha...? At 4:01 AM -1000 6/17/04, Paul Guncheon wrote: ><> > >Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is that supposed to mean? I think it means that parents don't have to take responsibility for raising and training their kids any more, and they can just foist them off on Society. At least, that's how a lot of parents I've seen lately seem to act. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D1C651.9020207 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:26:57 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Wha...? References: In-Reply-To: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell wrote: >>><>> >>> >>child...">> >> >> >>>Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is >>> >>> >>that supposed to mean? >> >> >--- Tony Deeming wrote: > > >>It's quite a true statement - inferring that it >>takes a lot of people >>(parents, other family members, teachers, friends, >>youth leaders, etc, etc) >>to raise kids, and that could be equated to the >>number of people resident in a village. >> >> > >I believe it is also meant to imply that the larger >society has a responsibility to the individual, in >terms of education, opportunity, etcetera. In the >best of all possible worlds, it would also mean that >the individual has a responsibility to society, that >he/she AND the children are contributing members, or >at least not burdens on the system. > > Put in more practical terms: When I was growing up, it meant that every mom on our block felt perfectly free to keep an eye on all the kids who roamed the neighborhood, and to smack any of us on the bottom if we misbehaved - and that if we went whining to our own moms about it, we'd probably get another smack for good measure. I grew up thinking my mother had psychic powers, when all along it was just the power of the collective moms and their network. These days I'm not so much for the whacking, and I'm happy that women aren't stuck at home like they were when I was a kid (because I'd probably be one of them). But I do think the basic framework - neighbors looking out for neighbors - wasn't a bad way to grow up. I'm lucky enough to live in a neighborhood where that kind of thing still happens, but I don't know how common that is in the US today. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040617091522.00b66e78 [at] mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:55:00 -0700 From: Jason Winslow Subject: Re: S4 Issues In-Reply-To: Chad, What you may have is a base cap issue instead of a lens issue. What you described may happen if your lamps are not fully seated, or if a wire inside the base cap is blocking some of the bench focusing room. At 02:46 PM 6/16/2004, Chad wrote: >I've got a question concerning some new source four ellipsoidals >we've checked the lenses, their placement, orientation, >etc. but found nothing to suggest that something's wrong. Any ideas? > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions you guys might be able to give! > >Chad Jason Winslow sparkenter [at] *no Spam*comcast.net Master Electrician\ Carpenter Artist Repertory Theatre Portland,OR ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:12:54 EDT Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? In a message dated 17/06/04 09:07:59 GMT Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > However, the bubble machine is NOT an item I would sanction running off a > dimmed outlet - at best you'll have the sort of problems you're recounting, > at worst, you risk damaging either the machine or the dimmer channel. I don't think that the dimmer will suffer, but the machine may. Small motors don't take kindly to the waveforms which sometimes come out of thyristor dimmers. > It would appear that putting a dummy load on the same channel > helps that - it may even smooth out some part of the wave, hence enable the > machine to work, but this is FAR from acceptable. Also, thyristors need a minimum load to work properly, and this depends on the dimmer and its alignment. Our old Strand Permus dimmers will sometime drive a 50W load, and sometimes not. The dummy load approach has always, so far, worked for me. A small lantern, coloured up with the most opaque gel you can find and rigged offstage, pointing nowhere visible to the audience, should serve. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:21:35 EDT Subject: Re: Motorized turntable In a message dated 17/06/04 14:07:45 GMT Daylight Time, lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu writes: > If it REALLY must have a motor on it, then the simplest way it to buy a > system (motor, gearbox, drive, controller, cabling, fuses, circuit > breakers, enclosures, instruction manual, etc.) from a reputable theatrical > supplier. You should always ask yourself the question: "What are we going to do with it when the show is over?". Is it going to sit around cluttering up precious storage space, or are we going to sell it on, at a large loss? If you have the skills, the DIY approach is better. The individual components take less room to store, and can be used for other purposes. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Van Wezel Orchestra Shell Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:42:32 -0400 Keith and Delbert, Thanks for your wisdom, 5 - 7 and extensive root canal work would be my choice. Alf: The name Ricky Nations doesn't ring a bell but considering how most Florida politics works maybe he's the one doing 5 - 7. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ Subject: S4 Issues Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:29:02 -0500 Message-ID: <029532D76E2FCF45A25E143EF42BCF450474FC4E [at] wilbur.huntington.edu> From: "Mike Burnett" >The first issues is that on some >instruments, you can never really fuzz out the focus. You'll always have a >fairly sharp edge to the beam of light. This is usually accompanied by a >distinct shadow being cast by each of the clips that support the lenses in >place in the barrel. Any ideas on what would cause this?=20 =20 =20 We just had this same problem and also thought it was the lens. After a quick call to ETC, they had us straight. Basically, the outer screw on the lamp housing back (not the wing nut one, the other one) has to be super tight. Once we tightened this up, we fixed the problem. Since you say you've been benching them extensively, this might be why the problem occurred. =20 HTH, M =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre Huntington College Honoring Christ in Scholarship and Service 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your speaking and in all your knowledge. --1 Corinthians 1:4-5=20 "We are such stuff as dreams are made on and our little life is rounded with a sleep..." --The Tempest (IV:1, 156-157) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000801c454a4$e7e54ab0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Re: Motorized Turntable Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:54:30 -0400 I don't want to speak for him, but we had a rented turntable from Bill in our space last month. It was a little bigger than you wanted. (I think it was about 12 ft.) They brought it in and set it up in about an hour. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040617150201.028b4b20 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:07:06 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Braille Sign (autism comment) In-Reply-To: References: I shared this comment with my wife, who is a special education teacher. She had this response: "There is a wide range of abilities and disabilities on the autism spectrum, so it is hard to know what the child was able to do and not do, understand and not understand. I can definitely say that if the school was specifically for students with disabilities, that should be the last alternative as far as placements go. The Least Restrictive Environment must be considered for all students--that means you wear out the possibilities of interventions before you begin restricting environments. With that said, I would have no way of knowing what had already been done to help the child before he was moved. Typically, I would try things like social stories (see http://www.thegraycenter.org/Social_Stories.htm) to try and teach the child the appropriate places for masturbation. Children with autism are not aware of social cues, so he probably did not know it was inappropriate to masturbate in public. I might also consider giving the child specified "bathroom time" in which he would actually be allowed to masturbate. It's hard to say that the child could "learn to control that urge," because if that was a compulsive behavior for the child, trying to stop it might only cause the child to engage in more destructive replacement behaviors. "One more thing, please remember that person-first language is important. People should always come before the disability...example: autistic person should be person with autism." Although this is not directly on-topic, any of us that are in educational theatre or present to students can run into situations involving students (or adults) with disabilities. Mike Brubaker At 04:30 PM 6/13/2004, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: >This was the same school one of my autistic students was moved to because he >was mastrubating in class. They moved him to to that school so could have a >private place to mastrubate. No one suggested he should learn to controll >that >urge. > >In each of those cases, the decision was made to avoid a potential lawsuit. ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:23:11 EDT Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... Dave Vick writes: >responded here to a post over in the RATS newsgroup... Just wondering, did this topic generate anywhere near the same level of response on RATS? Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:39:09 -0400 From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Frank in London Message-ID: <1629248A.1ECE67E3.0016695D [at] aol.com> OK. I've done my duty. I've met Frank once agaion and I have a picture to prove it. Somebody should tell me where it should go. The picture, that is! Also ran into a lurker. but now am not sure what his name was. Will Hill? I dunno. A bit too jet lagged, I suppose. Anyway, always nice to run into a fellow stagecraft list memeber. Hall Associates has a winch that attaches to a counterweight set and makes it motorized. It's a band winch. Pretty slick. I'll bring back the specs and put them up on my web site. Other than that, I'm off for another pint. Later Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040617144334.018247d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:43:34 From: CB Subject: Re: Spur or torque washers >I don't have much use for carriage bolts these days. I prefer flathead >machine screws. Installing the nut with an impact wrench doesn't even >require a screwdriver (screwturner) on the other end. I don't often use 2x >for framing these days either. I was helping another lister put a set together today, and the (existing) platforms were assembled with carriage bolts. I found an easy way to set the square part in the wood whilst simultaneously flushing the top of the carriage bolt to mate other scenery without the wonky-tilty-ness of the proud carriage bolt. The move resembles the same one I use to drive a golf ball 250+ yds, just replace the 1 wood with a framing hammer. And the two step unit from 2x4 almost herniated me. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040617150021.018247d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:00:21 From: CB Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc... >it's the same as us >notifying the audience that there are fog effects, strobes, or cigarrettes >being smoked in a show so someone who has asthma or is prone to seizures can >take proper precautions. Just so we can keep track, most of us have no problem with this. It's when we're told that we can produce this show because it contains references to smoking, and even SEEING cigarettes on the stage will prompt complaints, lit or not (ask me, go ahead, ask me) or we can't do THIS on this show because one of the guys thius other guy knows that wants to see the show can't stand strobes, or his girlfriend can't abide fog, THAT's when we get up in arms. Having a handicap may mean that you miss things. It sucks, but the sooner the handicapped person gets over this, the better it'll be for them. Even better, the sooner they decide that they're not going to miss out, and that they are going to take personal steps to be able to join in the fun, the healthier they'll be, mind and body. While I do support the ADA's initial goal, let's not make it any harder for those with disabilities, they've taken from us to make life easier for those less capable. It is easier to put on slippers than carpet the world. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:48:30 -0400 From: David Boevers Subject: CMU School of Drama seeks faculty stage manager Message-ID: <30061601.1087498110 [at] GRUEL-2-44.PPP.andrew.cmu.edu> ad below, please pass it on to people you think may be appropriate. thanks much --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Carnegie Mellon University School of Drama is seeking candidates for a newly created faculty position in Stage Management. The initial appointment is for one year as a visiting artist with option for longer term renewal. The successful candidate must have ability to teach, advise, mentor and administrate in stage management and related professional areas. Significant professional management experience is essential; previous teaching experience an asset. Preferred qualifications include MFA, professional theatre background of ten years, teaching experience in theatre training program, stage management experience in other art forms, familiarity with relevant professional associations and/or unions. Start date August 23, 2004. A preeminent theatre training program, the Carnegie Mellon School of Drama is housed in the state of the art Purnell Center for the Arts. Please submit letter of interest, vitae and three references with telephone numbers and e-mail addresses by July 5, 2004 to: Stage Management Search CMU School of Drama 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 Visit us further at www.cmu.edu/cfa/drama/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Boevers - Assistant Professor of Drama - Technical Director Production Technology & Management Option Coordinator Carnegie Mellon University - Purnell Center for the Arts dboeversATcmuDOTedu 412-268-2146 ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Hall Stage was RE: Frank in London Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:16:27 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000201c454c1$1dd7cdc0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: I think Bill means Hall Stage (http://www.hallstage.com) not Hall Associates. Delbert Hall President Hall Associates, Inc. -----Original Message----- Hall Associates has a winch that attaches to a counterweight set and makes it motorized. It's a band winch. Pretty slick. I'll bring back the specs and put them up on my web site. Other than that, I'm off for another pint. Later Bill S. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:27:34 EDT Subject: Re: Van Wezel Orchestra Shell In a message dated 6/17/04 3:40:29 PM, Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes: << Thanks for your wisdom, 5 - 7 and extensive root canal work would be my choice. >> I am flashing to Lord Larry and Dustin Hoffman and a dental drill in my mind, , , , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc... Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I wrote: > >it's the same as us > >notifying the audience that there are fog effects, strobes, or > cigarrettes > >being smoked in a show so someone who has asthma or is prone to > seizures can > >take proper precautions. CB Wrote: > Just so we can keep track, most of us have no problem with this. It's when > we're told that we can produce this show because it contains references to > smoking, and even SEEING cigarettes on the stage will prompt complaints, > lit or not (ask me, go ahead, ask me) or we can't do THIS on this show > because one of the guys thius other guy knows that wants to see the show > can't stand strobes, or his girlfriend can't abide fog, THAT's when we get > up in arms. > Having a handicap may mean that you miss things. Chris, I totally agree with you, and I believe that was what Steve was saying in his post (sorry if I'm speaking for you out of turn there) that we should be aware and make our own decisions, but that doesn't mean that we're cancelling the show or not doing the show. But it seemed some people were jumping all over him for god forbid people being aware of what was in the food they prepare so HE could make a decision whether to eat it or not. Not that they shouldn't make it or serve it in the first place. ~Kacey ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Hall Stage was Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:21:00 -0400 Message-Id: <20040618002100.RRHB1360.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02> > Hall Associates has a winch that attaches to a counterweight set and > makes it motorized. It's a band winch. Pretty slick. I'll bring back > the specs and put them up on my web site. If you need a guinea pig facility to practice proper installation, bring one by and lets play Bill. Wink.. Wink.. ;) Sounds cool. Delbert too bad it wasn't yours, I would have called you directly. Are they the rich side of the family? Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <06A8A0E8-C0C0-11D8-A882-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Frank in London Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:39:58 -0700 On Jun 17, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: > OK. I've done my duty. I've met Frank once agaion and I have a > picture to prove it. Somebody should tell me where it should go. The > picture, that is! I'm happy to add any pictures to the Stagecraft site with the last one :-) Just email to stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net Thanks! Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:01:01 -0500 From: Linda Essig Subject: New edition Message-id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040617210027.023cf3c0 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> Dear listers: Excuse the self-promotion, but I wanted to let you know that I received an advance copy yesterday of the second edition of my book, "Lighting and the Design Idea" published by Wadsworth/Thomson. It will start to ship in about two weeks. This new edition is roughly 25% longer than the first, with a new chapter on lamps and light sources, information on CAD and expanded coverage of automated lights. The art program is substantially new, with many illustrative examples from designers such as Ken Billington, Don Holder, Anne Militello, Allen Lee Hughes, and many others. If you teach -- or even if you don't and are just interested in lighting design -- I hope you'll take a look at it. Best regards, Linda Essig ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Hall Stage was Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:01:02 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000701c454e0$916e7800$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Maybe a long lost relative. I have liked their stuff (particularly their track) for years, but I don't know of a US distributor. We do have a new motorized performer spinner unit that you can come by and play with Greg. We built the first one for BEAUTY AND THE BEAST at the Cumberland County Playhouse, and we are building a second one for BEAUTY AND THE BEAST at the Seaside Music Theatre. The Beast starts out laying flat on his stomach and slowly begins to ascend. As he does he begins to spin slowly. After several rotations he speeds up and rotates into a standing position. After several more rotations he transforms into the Prince, his spinning slows, and he descends to the stage. Looks good. Testing the unit was a lot of fun. We needed to know how fast and long could we spin a performer before he threw-up? Some testing just requires a live person. When the performer was horizontal, the answer was "20 RPMs" and "not too long." This was great fun for most of us. -Delbert -----Original Message----- If you need a guinea pig facility to practice proper installation, bring one by and lets play Bill. Wink.. Wink.. ;) Sounds cool. Delbert too bad it wasn't yours, I would have called you directly. Are they the rich side of the family? Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001201c454e1$bf57e5c0$48edbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:10:01 -0500 ...and since it came from Hillary Clinton, obviously it must be a muddle headed liberal bit of BS, right? Funny how the "It Takes A Villiage" book espoused the very same "family values" that the GOP kept harping on, only now they called it Democratic crap. But that's okay, we have Bush's "Lots of Children Left Behind".... Or maybe it was "No Billionaire Left Behind"... I can't remember. Since it was never funded, or implemented, I guess no harm was done to the kids. Joe > ><> > > > >Other than being a sound bite, exactly what is that supposed to mean? > > > I think it means that parents don't have to take responsibility for > raising and training their kids any more, and they can just foist > them off on Society. > > At least, that's how a lot of parents I've seen lately seem to act. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Hall Stage was Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:14:44 -0400 Message-Id: <20040618031444.TYGU1534.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01> > Testing the unit was a lot of fun. Some guys get all the fun jobs! Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Hall Stage was Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:17:06 -0400 Message-Id: <20040618031706.TZCF1534.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01> > but I don't know of a US distributor. From the sounds of it Uncle Bill might be discussing that over a few pints Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9f.49017da3.2e03ba10 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:22:56 EDT Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Cc: bipolarber [at] cyberback.com In a message dated 6/17/4 10:09:58 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote: <<...and since it came from Hillary Clinton, obviously it must be a muddle headed liberal bit of BS, right? >> Hillary stole it... it's an African Proverb and if I can find the right issus of Teaching Tolerance magazine, I can tell you which tribe. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40D2611C.9000005 [at] comcast.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:27:24 -0700 From: mat goebel Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? References: In-Reply-To: Thanks all for the great info. Final decision was the hardpatch the bubbler to a special that came on at the same time - for the sake of running a preview today and opening to general public on saturday. Long term, he have a DMX relay pack on order. I'm curious, though, to what you're all refering to why it makes sense? The wave form being clipped? I fully admit I dont understand exactly how a dimmer works -- I claim sound as my specialty. Are there some decent articles about about how dimmers work, if the subject is too involved for a post? -- Mat G. Technical Director Washington High School Drama Dept. "Remember kids, an *actor* shot Abe Lincoln." ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:58:17 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Peanuts, etc.... At 5:23 PM -0400 6/17/04, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com wrote: > Just wondering, did this topic generate anywhere near the same level of > response on RATS? Yes, only more so. -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:04:37 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) At 10:10 PM -0500 6/17/04, Joe Meils wrote: >...and since it came from Hillary Clinton, obviously it must be a muddle >headed liberal bit of BS, right? Funny how the "It Takes A Villiage" book >espoused the very same "family values" that the GOP kept harping on, only >now they called it Democratic crap. I don't know about that. I only see a lot of folks pretty much abandoning responsibility in raising and training their children. Let the day-care folks handle it.... I never bothered to inquire about their politics; I strongly suspect there are guilty parties on all sides of the political fence. You seem to be implying I meant something else, though. Got something on your chest you wanna get off? -- Dave Vick, IATSE #274 Head Electrician, The Wharton Center for Performing Arts at Michigan State University Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:06:14 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Wha...? (short rant) Cc: bipolarber [at] cyberback.com At 11:22 PM -0400 6/17/04, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: >Hillary stole it... How typical. -DV ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040618043613.38944.qmail [at] web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Steeve Vajk Subject: Re: S4 Issues In-Reply-To: "Chad Croteau" wrote: >You'll always have a fairly sharp edge to the beam of light. This is >usually accompanied by a distinct shadow being cast by each of the >clips that support the lenses in place in the barrel. I know this may be obvious, but have you checked that the lenses, reflector, and lamp are all clean and clear? Usually when I see this problem, it is due to dirty optics. I've also seen a batch of lamps that seems to cloud up after not much use. I heavily clouded lamp will do a very bad job of pretending to be a point source, which will affect imaging. >We've had a situation that's come up with a few of the 50� barrels >where one 50 will look like it has the appropriate spread, and the >second will have a spread somewhere between a 26 and a 36. Again, >we've checked the lenses, their placement, orientation, etc. but >found nothing to suggest that something's wrong. Any ideas? I would get one "good" and one "not good" lens, and check the focal length with the sun, just to make sure you didn't get a bad set of lenses. If it's bad, and you can trace it to defective parts, I would suggest talking to the company that sold them to the university. New means under warranty, no? steeve_vajk [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040618055133.59631.qmail [at] web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Steeve Vajk Subject: Re: Weird Dimmer Problem -- help! Dummy Loads? In-Reply-To: mat goebel wrote: >Dimmer check on the lighting board, dimmer 97 at full, enter. yields >nothing. Hard patching another multi that has a load on it (ie a >6-by) brings on the light (duh) AND the bubble machine. Unpatching >the load (light) turn off the light (duh) AND the bubble machine >(wtf?). I assume you've tried using a different dimmer on a different phase? If not, here's a (rare-ish) possibility. If there is a crusty connection in the dimmer rack, before or in the patch bay, then the inrush current going to the 6-by could be enough to bridge the gap and carry the current to run the light and the machine. But when you only connect the bubble machine, there's not enough current draw to arc the gap. You didn't specify which model dimmer you're using, but the Leprechon VX circuit diagram shows that the test switch does bypass the control electronics, but works by locally triggering the actual power cube. Get a multimeter, and measure everything you can, both voltages and continuity. The dummy load in this case will be whatever it takes to arc that gap. Though that's not what I would consider an elegant or long-term solution, it might get you through opening. Another possibility is the collusion of the dimmer gate, the choke, and whatever circuitry (presumably) exists inside the bubble machine. The reason it's such a bad idea to dim anything that's got electronics in it is that they contain coils and capacitors that get really upset by non-sinusoidal power. Basically, when the dimmer pushes power around, they push back. When they push back too hard, they can hurt themselves, or others. The VX manual states that you need a "minimum 15 watt load". Is your bubble machine near that? If so, just add a q-lite bulb to get the total wattage up. But, as was said before, look hard to see if you can set this dimmer to "switched" or non-dim mode, or find another way to power it. Even dimmers set to switched chop a little bit of the waveform. At the very least, give it a non-dim profile in the board. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #44 ****************************