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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #53

 1. portable staging
    by "neesa" <neesa [at] neesahart.com>
 2. Re: NYC High School Tech JOBS
    by "Scott C. Parker" <stagecraftlist [at] hstech.org>
 3. Re: portable staging
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 4. Re: portable staging
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
 5. grandMA files
    by "pete quinlan" <peterequinlan [at] hotmail.com>
 6. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
    by "Kevin R. Lowther" <kevin [at] kevinlowther.com>
 7. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
 8. Re: grandMA files
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
 9. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
    by "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
10. Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>

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From: "neesa" <neesa [at] neesahart.com>
Subject: portable staging
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:46:13 -0500
Message-ID: <004c01c45b84$086e8d10$0100a8c0 [at] music2>
In-Reply-To: <list-3740288 [at] prxy.net>

I've recently started working with a touring group that does a lot of
children's theater.  They're in need of portable staging.  Everything
I've seen commercially seems abominably heavy.  Has anyone constructed
anything that two people could move without killing themselves and that
would collapse down to a relatively tight space?  I thought about
aluminum tubing for the frames, but I'm not sure about decking material.

Thanks,

Neesa Hart



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Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040626162653.04bb4ec0 [at] mail.hstech.org>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:35:28 -0400
From: "Scott C. Parker" <stagecraftlist [at] hstech.org>
Subject: Re: NYC High School Tech JOBS
Cc: ermtech [at] hstech.org
In-Reply-To: <list-3597528 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-3591999 [at] prxy.net>
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I sent this a few weeks ago before I had details of a particular position. 
I have an opening, mine, at the Edward R. Murrow HS in Brooklyn. Big shop 
and lots of toys. More importantly, great kids. If you have certification, 
I can get you hired by this Wednesday for next year! After that, it's gets 
harder. The current principal, Mr. S. Bruckner is retiring after 30 years 
of running this school. He founded Murrow. This ends his 47 year career in 
education. Amazing guy, looks a bit like Kermit the Frog. He will be missed.
If anyone knows anyone in the NYC system who has the proper licenses to 
work with tools and they are a decent sort, have them contact me right away.
If you are certifiable, contact me right away... Email resumes in PDF format.
For more about working for the DOE: http://www.nycenet.edu/teachnyc
You can find a salary page as well.
Scott


At 10:29 PM 6/9/2004, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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>
>Greetings all,
>I'm being asked if I know people qualified to teach tech for the NYC Dept. 
>of Ed. school system. Now, we all know that many folks here are more then 
>qualified to teach technical theater. The catch is that you would need to 
>be a NY State certified teacher.
>If anyone is interested, let me know.
>Scott

         Scott C. Parker
         Production Designer/Technical Director
         Edward R. Murrow High School
         1600 Ave. L.
         Brooklyn, NY 11230
         718-258-4156 ext. 184
         ermtech~AT~hstech.org
         http://www.hstech.org  


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Message-ID: <005901c45bbe$ae494dd0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony>
From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-3742161 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: portable staging
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:46:39 +0100

WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE YOU....!!!!???????

(A little geography helps enormously!!)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neesa" <neesa [at] neesahart.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: portable staging


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I've recently started working with a touring group that does a lot of
> children's theater.  They're in need of portable staging.  Everything
> I've seen commercially seems abominably heavy.  Has anyone constructed
> anything that two people could move without killing themselves and that
> would collapse down to a relatively tight space?  I thought about
> aluminum tubing for the frames, but I'm not sure about decking material.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Neesa Hart
> 
> 
> 


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Message-ID: <03df01c45bc9$e676b570$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-3742161 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: portable staging
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:53:46 -0400

Neesa,


Exactly how much do you consider "abominably" heavy?  You need to quantify
that number, before you start down the build it yourself path.  Then you'll
have a number to shoot for.  What number are you shooting for, for what size
sections?

You could make it in smaller sections that are easier to handle.  BUT then
the cost goes up again as you have to make more sections for a given area,
more supports, more edges to finish and connect and it'll take longer to
assemble and dissasemble.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "neesa" <neesa [at] neesahart.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:46 AM
Subject: portable staging


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I've recently started working with a touring group that does a lot of
> children's theater.  They're in need of portable staging.  Everything
> I've seen commercially seems abominably heavy.  Has anyone constructed
> anything that two people could move without killing themselves and that
> would collapse down to a relatively tight space?  I thought about
> aluminum tubing for the frames, but I'm not sure about decking material.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neesa Hart
>
>


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From: "pete quinlan" <peterequinlan [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: grandMA files
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:18:16 +0800
Message-ID: <BAY19-F31QxzmWecm9t00097d24 [at] hotmail.com>

I was recently on my local distibutors website donloading some grandMA 
manuals but was unable to download one called "Hog to grandMA thesaurus".  
It was a PDF that judging by the title could be very useful.  I have emailed 
the supplier but have recieved no response, does anyone know of another 
source to obtain this document.

Regards
Peter Quinlan

P.S. I have also tried MA Lighting's website and thier worldwide 
distributors.

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Message-ID: <002f01c45bf0$a85ad420$6a01a8c0 [at] D7LCXK11>
From: "Kevin R. Lowther" <kevin [at] kevinlowther.com>
Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:43:55 -0400

Sorry, Chris, but I have to disagree. I know I'm not the oldest or the most
experienced on the list, but I've heard this for years, all across the
country from many sources and have yet to hear your version. Also, it just
doesn't make sense; of course it's possible to have any two of the three
choices. The "Production Triangle" allows you to pick any two of them (Good,
Fast or Cheap) but due to the triangle shape, you can never have the third.
In other words, you can have it Good and Fast, but it certainly won't be
Cheap, etc.

Kevin R. Lowther
"The Lion King" Gazelle Tour-Automation Carpenter
IATSE #15, Seattle, WA
Currently in Columbus, OH

----- Original Message ----- 
Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040624111724.0182a3b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:17:24
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Cheap D/A circuitry

>Remember: Good, Fast or Cheap. Pick two.

Again I'd like to point out that this is the most oft misquoted old saw
behind "Alas, poor Yorick, I new him well."  The corret saying is:
Good, Fast, or Cheap, Pick ONE.
This lets you know what their focus is.  We all know that they want all of
the above, and in larger quantities than are ever available, but we are
trying to put together what their favorite of the three is.  This way, we
can start making decisions without having to ask them every fifteen
minutes. If the budget is the master of the project, we know that the
desision that is correct is the one that's cheapest, and conversly, if time
is the underlying driving force, the fast one over the cheap one is going
to be the answer.  It keeps you from handing decisionmaking over to a
committee, and the phrases "Let me think about that" and its cousin, "I'll
bring it up and see what (fill in committee here) says".
Chris "Chris" Babbie
Location Sound
MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...



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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:05:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3745257 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <DF6D2B22-C7E6-11D8-8E6A-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

>
Yo CB I gotta agree with kevin. It's definitely pick 2! what's the 
point of picking one?  It;s much harder to pick your 2.

-H



Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: Re: grandMA files
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:15:14 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-3745131 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000003745412 [at] prxy.net>

Peter -

What you want is the "GrandMA Thesaurus."  It is at
http://www.actlighting.com/.  Click on the "resources" link.

Regards -

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
www.landrudesign.com


 

>I was recently on my local distibutors website donloading some 
>grandMA manuals but was unable to download one called "Hog to 
>grandMA thesaurus".  
>It was a PDF that judging by the title could be very useful.  
>I have emailed the supplier but have recieved no response, 
>does anyone know of another source to obtain this document.
>
>Regards
>Peter Quinlan
>
>P.S. I have also tried MA Lighting's website and thier 
>worldwide distributors.



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From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:19:40 -0400
Organization: ETSU
Message-ID: <000501c45bf5$9607b860$6400a8c0 [at] delbert>
In-Reply-To: <list-3745355 [at] prxy.net>

I agree - "two."

-Delbert

-----Original Message-----
 >
Yo CB I gotta agree with kevin. It's definitely pick 2! what's the 
point of picking one?  It;s much harder to pick your 2.

-H


Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com




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Message-ID: <40DE3D4B.20606 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:21:47 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap)
References: <list-3745257 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3745257 [at] prxy.net>

Kevin R. Lowther wrote:


> Sorry, Chris, but I have to disagree. I know I'm not the oldest or the most
> experienced on the list, but I've heard this for years, all across the
> country from many sources and have yet to hear your version. Also, it just
> doesn't make sense; of course it's possible to have any two of the three
> choices. The "Production Triangle" allows you to pick any two of them (Good,
> Fast or Cheap) but due to the triangle shape, you can never have the third.
> In other words, you can have it Good and Fast, but it certainly won't be
> Cheap, etc.


As I always heard it, it was 'Safe, Fast, Cheap --- Pick two.'

Or I suppose any place in the triangle, like moderately 
safe/good, pretty affordable, done in a reasonable time frame.

Stuart



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