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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #63

 1. Musical instrument
    by "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
 2. Re: Musical instrument valves
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
 3. Re: Musical instrument
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
 4. Re: SF Modestly Presents. . . . .
    by Ken Slezak <kslezak [at] edgeviewsoftware.com>
 5. Re: Vinyl
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 6. Custom Glass Gobos...
    by Jason <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
 7. Re: Contractor education (was:  Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap))
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
 8. Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
 9. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
10. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
11. Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
12. Re: Vinyl and Brass
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
13. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
14. DCI
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
15. Re: Contractor education (was:  Production Triangle (Good, Fast, Cheap))
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
16. Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
17. Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
18. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
19. Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
20. Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
21. Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
22. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by Jason <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
23. Re: Contractor education (was:  Production Triangle (Good,  Fast, Cheap))
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
24. Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
25. Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
    by "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
26. Re: DCI has become adult entertainment costumes etc...
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
27. OT: logos onscreen
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
28. Re: Platform drive wheel
    by Jordan Woods <jordo74 [at] yahoo.com>
29. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
30. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
31. Re: OT: logos onscreen
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
32. Re: Musical instrument
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
33. Wheaton College Mass.
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
34. Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
    by Bsapsis [at] aol.com
35. Re: logos onscreen
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
36. Re: Musical instrument
    by "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
37. Re: logos onscreen
    by "Scott C. Parker" <stagecraftlist [at] hstech.org>
38. Re: logos onscreen
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
39. Re: Musical instrument/Now WAY OT
    by <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
40. Re: Musical instrument
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
41. Re: Musical instrument
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
42. Re: Wheaton College Mass.
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
43. Re: Musical instrument
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
44. Re: Wheaton College Mass.
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
45. Re: Musical instrument
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
46. Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
    by "John Bayhi" <john [at] hbhistory.com>
47. Re: Musical instrument
    by "Tom Heemskerk" <tommy [at] etainternet.com>
48. Re: OT: logos onscreen
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
49. Re: Musical instrument
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
50. Re: OT: logos onscreen
    by Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
51. Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
    by Bsapsis [at] aol.com

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From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Subject: Musical instrument
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:12:33 -0400
Organization: ETSU
Message-ID: <000801c4634a$23b6aa80$6400a8c0 [at] delbert>
In-Reply-To: <list-3819598 [at] prxy.net>

Hi Gang,

Since the collective wisdom on the members of this is so extensive, I
thought I would see if anyone knew anything about an odd instrument that
I saw last night at a Cracker Barrel restaurant (hanging on the wall).
The instrument looking like a trumpet, but it only had one valve (turned
90 degrees to the way trumpet valves are normally positioned).  It is
probably some type of bugle, but I have never seen a bugle with a valve.
Anyone ever seen one of these before or know what it is?
Thanks.

-Delbert




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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <53.ff84782.2e1beaca [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:45:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Musical instrument valves


In a message dated 7/6/04 4:13:11 AM, halld [at] etsu.edu writes:

<< 
Since the collective wisdom on the members of this is so extensive, I
thought I would see if anyone knew anything about an odd instrument that
I saw last night at a Cracker Barrel restaurant (hanging on the wall).
The instrument looking like a trumpet, but it only had one valve (turned
90 degrees to the way trumpet valves are normally positioned).  It is
probably some type of bugle, but I have never seen a bugle with a valve.
Anyone ever seen one of these before or know what it is? >>




Delbert, 

Actually modern "bugles" such as the type that are used in the elaborate Drum 
and Bugle Corps (DCA - Drum Corps of America) competitions and some (not all) 
of the instruments used in BLAST! in London, New York and the road  are what 
are known as "keyed bugles"  ( some of the soloists use regular three valved 
trumpets)

They have one, sometimes two valves. What this effectively means is that when 
you write music /  arrangements for them you are limited as to what keys you 
can play in.  The three valved trumpets /  coronets that you are used to 
seeing are completely chromatic and can play in any key.

Think of harmonicas, you have your "blues harp" which can only play 
effectively in a couple of keys (which is why guys will carry a holster full of them in 
different keys) and you have your chromatic harmonicas (like the HarmoniCats 
and the great German pre war groups would play) that have that little lever at 
one end that allows them to play all twelve pitches, in all octaves.

Keyed Bugles come in all sizes, , reproducing what in a ordinary ensemble 
would be French Horns, Euphoniums, Tubas, , etc, ,  in the bugle world I believe 
that they refer to them like voices in a choir, , Tenor, Alto, Baritone, Bass, 
etc etc  but I won't swear to that.

Also confusing is the difference between the common lay out of a trumpet /  
coronet here in the Western Hemisphere and the way they are set up in Europe, 
We are used to seeing the up and down valves like a piston on trumpets and 
coronets.  In Europe many trumpets use the rotary valves that here we only usually 
see on French Horns, some Tubas and for the "F key" on Bass Trombones.

Why the difference between Western Hemisphere and Old World trumpet valves?  
I have no earthly idea.

very best,

Keith Arsenault
President
IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

813 831 3465 Mr. Arsenault's Office
813 205 0893 Mr. Arsenault's Cellular

www.iaeginc.com

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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040706074329.00ab3cb8 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:44:55 -0400
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Musical instrument
In-Reply-To: <list-3820358 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-3819598 [at] prxy.net>


>The instrument looking like a trumpet, but it only had one valve (turned
>90 degrees to the way trumpet valves are normally positioned).

Could be a bugle that can be switched to a different key using the 
valve.  I've seen that kind of thing on instruments before.

-- JLB



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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:10:25 -0400
Subject: Re: SF Modestly Presents. . . . .
From: Ken Slezak <kslezak [at] edgeviewsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BD100EF1.1232%kslezak [at] edgeviewsoftware.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3819598 [at] prxy.net>

On 7/6/04 4:25 AM, "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu> wrote:
> What I want to know is:   "Who's that kid over there; the serious one with
> the paintbrush and the pipe...?"

Would that be a reference to Norman Rockwell?

Ken


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Message-ID: <000501c46358$4ea9f6d0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-3819988 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Vinyl
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 02:53:58 -1000


<<I still have it on vinyl, along with "Free to Be; You and Me" and other
treasures from my youth - alas, I haven't owned a turntable for at least two
decades>>

I have been slowly (emphasis on "slowly") converting my vinyl ( Firesign
Theatre, B.B. King RPM stuff) to CD.  If you would like to send me the album
would be happy to burn it to CD for you.

Laters,

Paul

  "Crosby is my favourite singer. Who is yours?" asked Tom probingly.


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:13:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Custom Glass Gobos...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0407061002370.16790-100000 [at] rac3.wam.umd.edu>

Hey folks,

I am currently pricing out the cost for purchasing about 6 - 10 custom
glass gobos.  I have of course talked to Rosco but their prices are pretty
prohibitive.  Googling "custom gobos" came up with a number of
manufacturers which had prices at about half of Rosco.  Only problem is
that i am awful wary of a random internet outfit.

Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom glass gobos
that you would recomend dealing with or even staying away from?

And on a second note, Rosco gave a really good plug for their ImagePRO
projectors... anyone use these yet?  You like them?  Hate them?  Worth
investing in rather than going with glass?

thanks,
Jason Cowperthwaite
Lighting/Audio Coordinator
Greenburg Theatre - American University


------------------------------

From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <92.f0a1e5c.2e1c12ea [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:36:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Contractor education (was:  Production Triangle (Good,
 Fast, Cheap))

Delbert Hall writes:
>If it is not specified the way you want it, well you are screwed.  
>Make sure your architect gets it right.

And be sure to watch that architect (and engineers, and contractors) like a 
hawk!
Once, I was involved with building a new fine arts facility at a university.  
The architect for the university was clueless when it came to such a 
specialty 
building but he knew how to play the political game with the administration.  
Everything was based on a price per foot and the priorities were the cost and 
how it looked, 
not how it worked.  At one point, to get the cost down, the architect 
literally, cut the blueprint 
down the middle and removed a five foot section of the building footprint.  
That magically put the project within budget.
Even though we specified in DETAIL, exactly what was required for the sound, 
lighting and other technical aspects of the facility, he turned it all over 
to his 
"consulting  engineers" who in turn, went to their manufacturer's notebooks 
of 
"packaged" products which were no where near what we requested. 
 We had to fight them all the way to completion, constantly checking the 
prints, 
the contracts, and the field work.

One day, I was looking at the walls which were about to be roofed.  
There was NO steel for the rigging, none at all.  Construction was halted 
while the engineers scrambled to specify and order the necessary steel 
before the roof was installed.

The sound system was a subcontract under the electrical subcontract 
to the general construction contract.  Instead of the split sound 
reinforcement / recording system
I designed (full schematics and component lists), we were about to get a 
Dukane package system in a sealed projection booth.  Had to fight that one to 
the 
bitter end but we finally prevailed by arranging to complete the system 
ourselves 
after the contractor finished an agreed upon portion.

The lighting system went fairly well.  Except that the field electricians 
installed 
all of the stage right (and house left) raceways upside down and backwards 
because
 it was easier for them to tie into the conduit feeds that way.  All the 
connectors in the 
raceways were pin connector, as specified.  But, all of the connectors in the 
floor and wall pockets 
ended up as twistlock because they were supplied by the electrical 
contractor, 
not the lighting system manufacturer.  Even though they were connected to the 
dimming system, 
the language of the contract was just ambiguous enough that we had to accept 
their interpretation.

I could go on, but you get the idea.
The devil is in the details.

Steve Vanciel
Orlando, FL

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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1da.259eaf70.2e1c137f [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:38:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding

Mat G writes:
>specific information about the requirement for fall arest when using 
scaffolding, genie, 
>and scissor lifts in california?

What I have at hand are the Fed-OSHA regs. which the Cal-OSHA regs should 
mirror.
29 CFR Part 1926, Safety Standards for Scaffolds Used in the Construction 
Industry; Final Rule; 
section 1926.541 General Requirements; (g) Fall protection., states:
 "(1) Each employee on a scaffold more than 10 feet above a lower level shall 
be protected 
from falling to that lower level." 

Keep in mind that there is a difference between fall protection and fall 
arrest.  With the protection, you are trying to prevent the fall from happening in 
the first place.  Fall arrest kicks in when the protection doesn't.

This section goes on to specify the types of fall protection required for 
many different types of scaffolding.
On some types, guardrail systems meet the requirements.  On other types, 
vertical and horizontal
lifelines are also required.  

The first thing to do is check with the manufacturer of your scaffold system. 
 They will have information 
about the proper assembly and use of their product that conforms to the 
regulations.  In particular, do they 
provide a "rated" fall arrest attachment point?  As you mentioned, the 
aluminum tubing is highly suspect.

There are also requirements that the person assembling the scaffold system be 
a "competent" person, 
trained on that particular system:
    "(7) Scaffolds shall be erected, moved, dismantled or altered only under 
the supervision
     and direction of a competent person qualified in scaffold erection, 
moving, dismantling 
    or alteration.  Such activities shall be performed only by experienced 
and trained employees 
    selected for such work by the competent person."

Also, any one working from the scaffold system must be trained in the proper 
use of that particular scaffold.

The standards for the use of aerial lifts / platforms are also found in this 
regulation.

You can contact the Scaffold Industry Association, Van Nuys, CA, 
(818-782-2012) for more details.  
They were involved in writing the standards (scaffolds and lifts) and have 
extensive training materials 
that can provide 'certification' for 'competent persons'.

Steve Vanciel
Orlando, FL

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From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:41:58 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-3821227 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000003821403 [at] prxy.net>

>Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom 
>glass gobos that you would recommend dealing with or even 
>staying away from?

THE custom gobo company you need to call is Apollo.  Great quality work.
Quick turn-around.  Reasonable pricing.  No fly-by-night here...

http://www.internetapollo.com/
260-497-9191

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
www.landrudesign.com



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From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <126.450201e1.2e1c1590 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:47:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...

>Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom 
>glass gobos that you would recommend dealing with or even 
>staying away from?

>THE custom gobo company you need to call is Apollo.  Great quality work.
>Quick turn-around.  Reasonable pricing.  No fly-by-night here...

Also, try Great American Market at www.GAMonline.com.

SteveV
Orl, FL

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <b7.428679c9.2e1c15e5 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:49:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
Cc: matg [at] comcast.net

Mat - 

Can't speak to CA rules specifically, but if the scaffolding has RAILS (see 
OSHA specs for how many, at what intervals) fall arrest isn't required. 

Genie and Scissors lifts have rails already built in. The key with them is 
proper positioning e.g., lift sitting on a flat surface big enough to fully use 
the outriggers, not leaning out over the rails, not moving them with someone 
up in the basket, etc. There is training available on how to safely use these 
lifts and anyone doing so should have written evidence of having passed that 
training. 

You're right, tying off to something than can then crash down upon you is NOT 
the way to go!

Kristi

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1d6.257768ae.2e1c17e8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:57:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Vinyl and Brass

Your local school supply store still has turntables and needles available... 
for a price. I recently saw a couple of hi-fi (remember those???) component 
systems at Goodwill for $20 or so.

Amazingly... the textbook recordings I have at my school are on vinyl. Makes 
for a great history lesson as well as good visuals. I had to teach the new 
band director how to use it. 

And I concurr with those who told Delbert the single valved horn is probably 
a bugle from drum corps. DCI - Drum Corps International - has only recently 
recently allowed "modern" 3 valved instruments. 

Fodder for your creative juices... My favorite drum corps show of all time 
was done to West Side Story. It was a medly outlining the story with dancers 
acting it out. Back then, DCI used a timing system... for first 8 minutes the 
judges were on the field walking among the musicians; at 8 minutes a gun shot 
signaled the judges to leave the field for the final 2 minutes of the show. This 
particular show was so well crafted that the 8 minute gun shot was Tony 
getting killed in the show! It was one of those spine-tingling moments every theatre 
lover should see!

Kristi

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Message-ID: <6061030.1089126609825.JavaMail.root [at] bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:10:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...

Hey there Jason...

I think explaining what kind of life and level of detail you need is important information for everyone.  The I-Pro's are pretty good, but you'll have limited image life (especially if it's a saturated/dark color).  What kind of units, and for how long will they be used?
If you want to see an I-Pro, we have a couple in the shop.  If you'd like to stop by to take a peek, just let me know


--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject: Custom Glass Gobos...

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Hey folks,

I am currently pricing out the cost for purchasing about 6 - 10 custom
glass gobos.  I have of course talked to Rosco but their prices are pretty
prohibitive.  Googling "custom gobos" came up with a number of
manufacturers which had prices at about half of Rosco.  Only problem is
that i am awful wary of a random internet outfit.

Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom glass gobos
that you would recomend dealing with or even staying away from?

And on a second note, Rosco gave a really good plug for their ImagePRO
projectors... anyone use these yet?  You like them?  Hate them?  Worth
investing in rather than going with glass?

thanks,
Jason Cowperthwaite
Lighting/Audio Coordinator
Greenburg Theatre - American University



------------------------------

From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <6a.419fb469.2e1c1eb2 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:26:42 EDT
Subject: DCI


In a message dated 7/6/04 7:58:30 AM, MissWisc [at] aol.com writes:

<< Fodder for your creative juices... My favorite drum corps show of all time 
was done to West Side Story. It was a medly outlining the story with dancers 
acting it out. Back then, DCI used a timing system... for first 8 minutes the 
judges were on the field walking among the musicians; at 8 minutes a gun shot 
signaled the judges to leave the field for the final 2 minutes of the show. 
This 
particular show was so well crafted that the 8 minute gun shot was Tony 
getting killed in the show! It was one of those spine-tingling moments every 
theatre 
lover should see! >>

it always amuses me when I see the DCI competition on television as one of 
the usual expert commentators is Michael Cesario, who over 20 years ago pulled a 
complete costume plot of CARMEN out of the Costume Collection in NYC and came 
down to Palm Beach to fit it on our cast at the Palm Beach Opera.

It was a wonderful looking, rugged, "real" looking set of costumes (had a 
Zefferilli feel to it) and I recall that volunteer members of the Palm Beach 
Opera chorus complained that they "weren't pretty" 

ahhhh, , Palm Beach, , the only place I ever worked with an actual Duchess as 
a volunteer in the mailing room.

so glad I got the hell out of there ! 

very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:26:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Contractor education (was:  Production Triangle (Good,
 Fast,
 Cheap))
In-Reply-To: <list-3821345 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407061619070.1875 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-3821345 [at] prxy.net>

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 StevevETTrn [at] aol.com wrote:

> The sound system was a subcontract under the electrical subcontract to the 
> general construction contract.  Instead of the split sound reinforcement / 
> recording system I designed (full schematics and component lists), we were 
> about to get a Dukane package system in a sealed projection booth.  Had to 
> fight that one to the bitter end but we finally prevailed by arranging to 
> complete the system ourselves after the contractor finished an agreed upon 
> portion.

I've seen this so many times it's the main reason we've totally given up wasting 
our time trying to get involved with new installations and the consultants who 
do them.  It's easier to just offer the savings to the end user after the 
facililty is built and they can throw out the stuff that was put in and replace 
it with what they really wanted.  Unfortunately, they can usually only afford to 
pay a fraction of the value of the original equipment and it takes up to 10 
years to make the purchase but they always end up happier afterward.

There are manufacturers who specialize in working with consultants and 
contractors on new installs and Dukane is a typical example of such a company. 
There are even companies who specialize in live theatre sound systems but all of 
these companies make equipment that is very poor value for that application.

It's a sad situation and won't change any time soon as long as new build 
politics remain the same...

Charlie

+ Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd +
+ http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com +
+---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:46:00 -0400
Subject: Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3821708 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <943F2CF8-CF63-11D8-B5AD-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

Hey! That crazy old queen, (and I mean that in the most loving of ways) 
taught me costume design!
He's an amazing designer and a really great guy.
His discussions of costuming for porn were always amusing.

On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 11:26 America/New_York, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote:
>
>
> it always amuses me when I see the DCI competition on television as 
> one of
> the usual expert commentators is Michael Cesario, who over 20 years 
> ago pulled a
> complete costume plot of CARMEN out of the Costume Collection in NYC 
> and came
> down to Palm Beach to fit it on our cast at the Palm Beach Opera.
>
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <128.459b3728.2e1c23e7 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:48:55 EDT
Subject: Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)


In a message dated 7/6/04 8:46:46 AM, Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com writes:

<< Hey! That crazy old queen, (and I mean that in the most loving of ways) 
taught me costume design!
He's an amazing designer and a really great guy.
His discussions of costuming for porn were always amusing. >>



Herrick, , , where is he these days., , teaching that is, , 


costumes for porn ?  there are costumes ? 


very best,

Keith Arsenault
President
IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:48:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
Message-ID: <20040706.084811.2944.3.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

GAM is arguably the best choice when you need your custom gobos to look
and work EXACTLY as you specified, at a reasonable cost.
/s/ Richard

> > Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom 
> > glass gobos that you would recommend dealing with <snip>
> > Jason

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:57:08 -0400
Subject: Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3821875 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <223C5140-CF65-11D8-B5AD-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>


On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 11:48 America/New_York, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote:
>
> Herrick, , , where is he these days., , teaching that is, ,

I believe he's semi-retired and living on Central Park West. He was at 
SUNY Purchase for ages.

> costumes for porn ?  there are costumes ?

but if course! It's boring if they all start naked!  Where's the fun in 
that?



>
>
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:16:44 -0700
Subject: Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
Message-ID: <20040706.091650.2944.6.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

Zalman King's 'Red Shoe Diaries' is a good example of costuming for porn.
There was originally composed music, too. And artistically lit sets.
/s/ Richard
 
> > costumes for porn ?  there are costumes ?

> but if course! It's boring if they all start naked! 
> Where's the fun in that?
> Herrick Goldman

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:51:03 +0100 (BST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
In-Reply-To: <list-3822102 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407061749190.1875 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-3822102 [at] prxy.net>

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Richard Niederberg wrote:

> Zalman King's 'Red Shoe Diaries' is a good example of costuming for porn.
> There was originally composed music, too. And artistically lit sets.

And David Duchovny got the idea for X-Files...

Charlie

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:20:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
In-Reply-To: <list-3821596 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0407061417090.22882-100000 [at] rac1.wam.umd.edu>


Thanks for all the responses folks! Odd thing is i took a good look at GAM
and Apollo before and didnt see links to the custom items.. i'll have to
dig again.

The gobos will be going in Strand SL's lamped at 575.  I took a look at
the lifespan of the image pros and they claim them at 15 - 30 hours at
600w before *any* fading occors.  Whether this is lab accurate or real
world accurate, who knows.

Thanks,

Jason Cowperthwaite
Lighting/Audio Coordinator
Greenburg Theatre - American University



On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hey there Jason...
>
> I think explaining what kind of life and level of detail you need is important information for everyone.  The I-Pro's are pretty good, but you'll have limited image life (especially if it's a saturated/dark color).  What kind of units, and for how long will they be used?
> If you want to see an I-Pro, we have a couple in the shop.  If you'd like to stop by to take a peek, just let me know
>
>
> --Sean
>
> Sean R. McCarthy
> seanrmc [at] earthlink.net


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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040706140748.0276c2e0 [at] localhost>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:09:33 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Contractor education (was:  Production Triangle (Good,
  Fast, Cheap))
In-Reply-To: <list-3806435 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-3806435 [at] prxy.net>

At 05:36 AM 7/4/2004, you wrote:
>I find this interesting.  In thirty years I have found it rare for a shop
>not to jump at the chance to do something custom or experimental and have
>had really innovative input from these vendors.
>Fred Fisher

I've had that with some electronics vendors for my "day job".  A box vendor 
who won't sell you plastic cases without being part of a retail kit, LED 
module manufacturers won't return a call for custom units, etc.

I'm more than happy to discuss custom stuff, it's what we do.


----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523  USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
fax:  +1 408 356-4659
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Subject: Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:17:25 -0700
Message-ID: <D970C7F47C09C845806F744DA67B21760DFD43 [at] mercury.exchange.local>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 mat goebel <matg [at] comcast.net>

<<Does anyone have specific information about the requirement for fall
arest when using scaffolding, genie, and scissor lifts in california? If
so please contact me off list.>>

My local AHJ (who's beat includes the most of the local theme parks here
in SoCal) is of the opinion that the general provisions of OSHA's fall
arrest standards would certainly still apply (as described in (I think)
section 1670 of the Cal OSHA standards).  You should be able to find
those at http://www.dir.ca.gov/dosh.

From your description, it sounds like the proposal is to use the
diagonal bracing of the scaffolding as the anchorage (I got that from
the "...aluminum bracing would simply unclip off and fall down on you.."
- which sounds pretty unpleasant!).  The consensus around here is that
the bracing probably wouldn't meet the standard for an approved
anchorage.  Neither one of us are near the handy books with the exact
wording, but the general spec is that the anchorage to which the
personal fall arrest equipment is fastened must support an impact load
of 5000lbs (or 22 kN (kilo Newtons)).  The structural framing of the
scaff might take that, but I'm pretty sure the diagonals wouldn't. =20

Other, smarter folks (like Unca Bill) - check me if I'm wrong here, but
wouldn't a horizontal lifeline be considered acceptable for this
application?

Back to work....except that now I gotta go try to find a good Stan
Freberg CD!  Visit http://freberg.8m.com/index2.html.  SF fans are
everywhere!!!!   =20

Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com =20
http://www.thinkwelldesign.com =20


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From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Subject: Re: DCI (Michael Cesario)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:26:25 -0400
Organization: ETSU
Message-ID: <000a01c4639f$e63a8040$6400a8c0 [at] delbert>
In-Reply-To: <list-3822102 [at] prxy.net>

Yes, and props too.

-Delbert

-----Original Message-----

 
> > costumes for porn ?  there are costumes ?




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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:45:09 -0400
Subject: Re: DCI has become adult entertainment costumes etc...
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3824578 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <C0855F85-CF95-11D8-9EFF-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

Thanks Delbert for Going there.

I just sent this to take my professor's name off the header of what is 
certain to become a lovely topic for discussion.

On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 17:26 America/New_York, Delbert Hall wrote:

>
> Yes, and props too.
>
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040706141911.01827ee8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:19:11
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: OT: logos onscreen

>  It looks like someone
>smeared Vaseline on the lens in almost every interview shot - well,
>actually, just parts of the frame.  The filmmaker had blurred out logos and
>images in lots of places - sometimes it was the "Columbia Sportswear" logo
>and name on the front of someone's coat, other times it was the name of a
>film on a lobby poster in the background... where does one draw the line
>with this?  He was under the impression that any 'works for hire' or any
>works that may receive future monetary return can't show unauthorized logos
>and products, but what's the word on this?  

 A doc can show most anything that you think you can get past the term
'obscene'.  Obscenity is fairly lax when its pertinent to the 'story' of
the doc, and *almost* (Richard could clarify this) anything that's
pertinent could get past the lable 'obscene'.

Vaseline is used on the lens to create a 'dreamlike' look.  What you saw
was most likely digitally added pixelization, or some other editing blur.
It's damned frustrating to have something on the lens and compose your shot
based on where the something is supposed to be.  (Just so pending C.B.
DeM's don't get any silly ideas.  I might be lensing their next project!)

Product placement is big money.  Rought cuts shown to folks who's products
are shown in the project are asked if they wish to provide some of the
budget in exchange for this exposure.  Those who pass get the 'blur'.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-ID: <20040706222542.8442.qmail [at] web54001.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:25:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jordan Woods <jordo74 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Platform drive wheel
In-Reply-To: <list-3792029 [at] prxy.net>

First off thanks to all who replied.

I checked out the drive rollers from McMaster Carr and
found a great solution-urethane drive rollers with a
keyway and a 2500 pound capcity for only $128(Thanks
Stirling).  Turns out getting a cheaper solution was a
pipe dream.  Better to go a with a reliable solution
than try to wing it. 

It is possible to find other solutions, particularly
custom caster wheels.  Prices are comparable and so
are load ratings but they manufacture time is way
beyond our window.  A gentleman from Hamilton caster
company informed that when caster wheels are used as a
drive wheel the rated load capacity should be reduced
by 50%.  Again drive rollers are designed for this
use. 

The load is supported from by two pillow blocks on the
drive shaft.  They come from Grainger with a 3,500
pound dynamic capacity.  10 fps will be high.  We are
using two 3/4 HP DC motors to a 5:1 gearbox.  Another
large challenge is finding an accurate way to
caluclate the required torque to move our load?  Does
anyone have experience doing this?

Thanks for your assistance everyone.

Jordan Woods-Wahl



		
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Message-ID: <03a401c463a8$33f9c900$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-3823045 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:22:47 -0400

The lifespan of image pro depends on the colors used and their intensity.
Some designs last much longer, while others much shorter.  Of course,
compare the cost.  For what, $25ea, you could have MANY spare i-pros over
one glass gobo, especially full color.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason" <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 14:20 PM
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...

> the lifespan of the image pros and they claim them at 15 - 30 hours at
> 600w before *any* fading occors.  Whether this is lab accurate or real
> world accurate, who knows.


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Message-ID: <03a301c463a8$33cf0f80$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-3821227 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:19:42 -0400

Sorry to chime in late, Jason.

I use to sell for a dealer and I always liked Apollo for their service and
their good work.  Never had a custom gobo from them returned by a customer.
They're nice folks.  Very conscientious about communicating.  They'll take
any artwork; digital, fax, or snail-mail; in any format.  They'll clean it
up, add bridges, as necessary, and send you a proof print (if you ask).  You
can save money by sending them their preferred format (I forget which it is)
and passing on any cleanup.

One note on custom artwork.  If there something "artsy" about the design,
make sure it's not confused with an artifact and removed by the printer or
gobo maker.   Sometimes people think they're "fixing" something when they're
not.   I've learned to ask for a proof before the print run.  On a tight
schedule that might mean I have to bee available at a moments notice to
review the proof, but it's worth it.

Alf
Joyful Noise Maker
Manager and Producer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason" <jcowpert [at] wam.umd.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: Custom Glass Gobos...


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I am currently pricing out the cost for purchasing about 6 - 10 custom
> glass gobos.  I have of course talked to Rosco but their prices are pretty
> prohibitive.  Googling "custom gobos" came up with a number of
> manufacturers which had prices at about half of Rosco.  Only problem is
> that i am awful wary of a random internet outfit.
>
> Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom glass gobos
> that you would recomend dealing with or even staying away from?
>
> And on a second note, Rosco gave a really good plug for their ImagePRO
> projectors... anyone use these yet?  You like them?  Hate them?  Worth
> investing in rather than going with glass?
>
> thanks,
> Jason Cowperthwaite
> Lighting/Audio Coordinator
> Greenburg Theatre - American University
>


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:35:51 -0700
Subject: Re: OT: logos onscreen
Message-ID: <20040706.153609.2944.20.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

This is true, but the widest amount of deference is granted nonprofit,
tax-exempt stage theatres of 100 seats or less, when it comes to nudity.
The second largest amount of deference is shown The National Geographic
Society for nudity in  pictures that they commissioned to be taken. The
American Red Cross, which was chartered by Congress, and therefore is not
a 'Corporate Citizen' of any state, also has great deference shown it,
because it is almost beyond regulation by any state. Remember, also, that
local law is based upon community standards, and the work of Robert
Mapplethorpe is NOT obscene AS A MATTER OF LAW in the political
subdivision of the State of Ohio that contains Cincinnati.
/s/ Richard
 
> A doc can show most anything that you think you can get 
> past the term 'obscene'.  Obscenity is fairly lax when its 
> pertinent to the 'story' of the doc, and *almost* (Richard 
> could clarify this) anything that's pertinent could get past 
> the lable 'obscene'.

> Chris "Chris" Babbie

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Message-ID: <03d101c463aa$ffd05510$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-3820358 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Musical instrument
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:28:19 -0400

A friend of mine has a "double belled euphonium".   (mentioned in "76
Trombones")  I have trumpet with two extra slide sets for changing keys.
There are many weird variations of instruments out there.

The difference between a chain saw and saxophone?  Besides being able to
tune a chain saw?

When you borrow a chain saw from your neighbor and forget to return it, they
get upset.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:12 AM
Subject: Musical instrument


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Since the collective wisdom on the members of this is so extensive, I
> thought I would see if anyone knew anything about an odd instrument that
> I saw last night at a Cracker Barrel restaurant (hanging on the wall).
> The instrument looking like a trumpet, but it only had one valve (turned
> 90 degrees to the way trumpet valves are normally positioned).  It is
> probably some type of bugle, but I have never seen a bugle with a valve.
> Anyone ever seen one of these before or know what it is?
> Thanks.
>
> -Delbert
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:31:54 -0400
Subject: Wheaton College Mass.
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3825341 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <AA4176B6-CFA4-11D8-813E-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

>
Hey folks,

Does anyone know anything about the theater department at Wheaton 
College in Massachusetts?  A friend of a friend has a daughter looking 
at going there and they were curious.

You can e-mail me off list unless you think it's worth discussing here.

-H


Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <79.2db9ab61.2e1c9067 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:31:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding


In a message dated 7/6/04 5:18:04 PM, mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com writes:

<< Other, smarter folks (like Unca Bill) - check me if I'm wrong here, but
wouldn't a horizontal lifeline be considered acceptable for this
application? >>

I just spent 22 hours flying back from South Africa.  Fall arrest is gonna 
have to take a back seat to my bed
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Message-ID: <003901c463bd$22f2e910$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-3824797 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: logos onscreen
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:55:44 -0700

> Vaseline is used on the lens to create a 'dreamlike' look.  What you saw
> was most likely digitally added pixelization, or some other editing blur.


<smirk>  I'm fully aware of what Vaseline on the lens is for, CB.  :)  I
indeed was referring to the 'digital' blurout of the logos and names.  It is
my understanding that they will be removing the 'digital Vaseline.'

 -- Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative


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From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Musical instrument
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:09:11 -0400
Organization: ETSU
Message-ID: <001301c463bf$03c741b0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert>
In-Reply-To: <list-3825341 [at] prxy.net>

Alf, 

I played a euphonium in high school and college (really).  A euphonium
can have either three or four valves, so Keith (who really is a music
expert) is probably correct that it is a bugle that can change keys.  I
have just never seen one, and it really caught my attention.

I have never seen a double-belled euphonium either. Yep, there are many
weird variations of musical instrument

-Delbert 

-----Original Message-----


A friend of mine has a "double belled euphonium".   (mentioned in "76
Trombones")  I have trumpet with two extra slide sets for changing keys.
There are many weird variations of instruments out there.

The difference between a chain saw and saxophone?  Besides being able to
tune a chain saw?

When you borrow a chain saw from your neighbor and forget to return it,
they
get upset.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:12 AM
Subject: Musical instrument


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Since the collective wisdom on the members of this is so extensive, I
> thought I would see if anyone knew anything about an odd instrument
that
> I saw last night at a Cracker Barrel restaurant (hanging on the wall).
> The instrument looking like a trumpet, but it only had one valve
(turned
> 90 degrees to the way trumpet valves are normally positioned).  It is
> probably some type of bugle, but I have never seen a bugle with a
valve.
> Anyone ever seen one of these before or know what it is?
> Thanks.
>
> -Delbert
>
>
>



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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040706210823.01f2bc80 [at] mail.hstech.org>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:12:11 -0400
From: "Scott C. Parker" <stagecraftlist [at] hstech.org>
Subject: Re: logos onscreen
In-Reply-To: <list-3826484 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-3824797 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-3826484 [at] prxy.net>

Excuse me you two. Vaseline is a brand name and you are not allowed to use 
it. You should know that you must use the term Petroleum Jelly, a by 
product of gasoline. Next thing you know you'll be getting the Xerox police 
after us. Oops, make that the duplicate copy police...
:-)

Scott

At 08:55 PM 7/6/2004, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
> > Vaseline is used on the lens to create a 'dreamlike' look.  What you saw
> > was most likely digitally added pixelization, or some other editing blur.
>
>
><smirk>  I'm fully aware of what Vaseline on the lens is for, CB.  :)


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:35:17 -0700
Subject: Re: logos onscreen
Message-ID: <20040706.183536.2944.48.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

Dear Scott,
Well, it is a Petroleum Distillate, but it is certainly not a byproduct
of gasoline, benzine, or any other '--ine'. It is a byproduct of the
'cracking' of crude oil to separate out various fuel oils, gasses, and
lubricants of various viscosities, including gasoline, but it is not a
byproduct of gasoline.
/s/ Richard

> You should know that you must use the term Petroleum Jelly,
> a by product of gasoline. 
> Scott

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From: <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Musical instrument/Now WAY OT
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:41:16 -0400
Message-Id: <20040707014116.WJLM1402.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02>

> When you borrow a chain saw from your neighbor and forget to return it, they
> get upset.

When I was 15 my grandfather attended his 50th high school reunion and a buddy came up to him and handed him a silver coronet that was borrowed for scout camp some 50+ year before.    My grandfather didn't even remember he owned one.  


Greg Bierly
Hempfield HS


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <127.45076d09.2e1cb02e [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:47:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Musical instrument


In a message dated 7/6/04 6:09:54 PM, halld [at] etsu.edu writes:

<< I have never seen a double-belled euphonium either. Yep, there are many
weird variations of musical instrument

-Delbert  >>

I have, , and until I actually saw one (it was not operational) I thought 
they were a thing of mythology, if I am not mistaken, the instrument had a fourth 
valve, , which when used diverted the air coloumn to the second bell, ,

why? 

I have no idea, , from all I know about overtones, partials, , etc,   it 
really doesn't make any sense.  I 've never seen nor heard of music that was 
specifically written for the double bell euphonium either.

Delbert, , thanks for the "expert" designation, ,  that's cool, , , can I use 
that quote ? 

very best,

Keith Arsenault


www.iaeginc.com

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Message-ID: <27000315.1089168235059.JavaMail.root [at] bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Musical instrument

So, a (well, not so) brief history lesson from the resident drum corps geek=
....

They started out usingmilitary surplus bugles--I believe--keyless militry b=
ugles in the key of "G".

Then, around the addition of the "full" family of instruments came the addi=
tion of a "piston" valve (just like on a trumpet).  This valve does the sam=
e thing as on any modern brass instrument, as it lowered the pitch a Major =
Second (so, in this case, "F").  It was just located in an odd place.  Then=
 a bit later a second valve (this time a rotary valve--like on a French hor=
n) was added.  This lowered the pitch a Minor Second (so, from "G" to "F#")=
.  Still later, the "rotor" was replaced with a second piston valve, at whi=
ch time the valves were relocated to the "trumpet style" position.  Sometim=
e in the late 1980's, the rules were again changed to allow a third valve.

The rule read something like:  "All instruments will be bell-front valved i=
nstruments in the key of "G."  This distinction excludeds Sousaphones (wrap=
 around the body) and trombones.  Up through this point in Drum Corps histo=
ry these were a distinct family of instruments--only used in corps, not orc=
hestras/bands.  The kept the activity somewhat detached from other music pe=
rformance, and made teaching music easier (as many kids starting out in cor=
ps didn't read music well--all the instruments are the same key, so the val=
ve progression is the same across all the horns).

The horns are:

Soprano=20
Mellophone
Marching French Horn

Octave lower:
Baritone
Euphonium

Octave lower again:
Contra Bass

In the '90's it was becomming apparent that the activity was shrinking--for=
 a variety of reasons.  There were only two companies making DCI "legal" ho=
rns:  Kanstul (good quality, but rather expensive) and Deg "Dynasty" (cheap=
, both in price and quality control).  Also, because they were different in=
struments than used in any other setting, getting sponsored by the manufact=
urers wasn't worth much.  Drumlines have for years gotten "free" instrument=
s from Yamaha, Remo, Premier, Pearl, and Zildjian.  So in 2000 (I think tha=
t was the year) the rule was changed to allow any key "bell front brass ins=
trument."  So now they're actually using Trumpets, Marching Tubas, Mellopho=
nes in either the key of Bb or F, etc.  This means that now a LOT of the co=
rps can get sponsorship agreements with the manufacturers (Yamaha, Conn-Sel=
mer, etc).  These instruments are often sold after the season is over, so t=
here are used horns in decent quality available to students, etc and the co=
rps get new gear each year.

Aren't you sorry that you asked?!?!


Please feel free to ask--I loved my time marching and I think it's a great =
activity.

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Delbert Hall <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 4:12 AM
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject: Musical instrument

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Hi Gang,

Since the collective wisdom on the members of this is so extensive, I
thought I would see if anyone knew anything about an odd instrument that
I saw last night at a Cracker Barrel restaurant (hanging on the wall).
The instrument looking like a trumpet, but it only had one valve (turned
90 degrees to the way trumpet valves are normally positioned).  It is
probably some type of bugle, but I have never seen a bugle with a valve.
Anyone ever seen one of these before or know what it is?
Thanks.

-Delbert





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Message-ID: <40EB66EA.5060602 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 22:58:50 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Wheaton College Mass.
References: <list-3825778 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3825778 [at] prxy.net>

Herrick wrote:

> Hey folks,
> 
> Does anyone know anything about the theater department at Wheaton 
> College in Massachusetts?


Gotta be good with a name like that!

Methinks I should ask 'em for a scholarship just because!

Stuart



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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <8.515b04ed.2e1cc295 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:05:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Musical instrument


In a message dated 7/6/04 7:44:35 PM, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net writes:

<< Aren't you sorry that you asked?!?! >>



actually, , no, , , thanks for the complete accounting, , , very interesting, 
, 

and I will give it a "re -  reading " as well

with the success of BLAST,  ( Star of Indiana, , yes? ) , this has all come 
to the fore front even more, ,   

thanks for the overview, , I for one appreciate it



very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:11:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Wheaton College Mass.
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3827280 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <49B56620-CFC3-11D8-BFF8-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

Yeah there's a "Herricks" High School  on Long Island I had some female 
residents from there when I was an RA in college. they used to wear the 
sweatshirts alot.  My girlfriend was un-amused.


On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 22:58 America/New_York, Stuart Wheaton 
wrote:

>
> Gotta be good with a name like that!
>
> Methinks I should ask 'em for a scholarship just because!
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040706233834.0512bf78 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:41:48 -0400
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Musical instrument
In-Reply-To: <list-3826884 [at] prxy.net>


>  if I am not mistaken, the instrument had a fourth
>valve, , which when used diverted the air coloumn to the second bell, ,

Correct.  I played trombone and euphonium at one time, though I never had a 
chance to play a double-bell.  The fourth valve does open the air column to 
the second bell and puts the instrument into a different key.


>why?
>
>I have no idea, , from all I know about overtones, partials, , etc,   it
>really doesn't make any sense.  I 've never seen nor heard of music that was
>specifically written for the double bell euphonium either.

  The second bell is smaller than the main bell and has shorter tubing, I 
believe, so the "second" instrument sounds a higher pitch than the normal 
tubing.  That's my impression, though, as noted, I never had a chance to 
play one of the things.

-- JLB




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From: "John Bayhi" <john [at] hbhistory.com>
Subject: Re: Custom Glass Gobos...
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:10:04 -0700
Message-ID: <007801c463d8$490f9420$b202a8c0 [at] johndesktop>
In-Reply-To: <list-3821227 [at] prxy.net>

Jason,

	I've used the I-Pro's for a couple of productions I've worked on.
Of the three or four times that I've used them it has been for =
displaying
various logos out in the lobby area.  Since, they were for the entry and
exit time we would generally have them off for most of the performance
though through the run they were on for about 20-25 hours with no =
noticeable
fading.  I like them because we can make the slides in-house cheap and
quick.  I think that they are worth a look at, we were originally
considering glass and went this route because of cost.  We ended up =
using
more often than I though because of the ease of change.

John Bayhi
Creative Arts
First Christian Church
Huntington Beach, CA, USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 07:13
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Custom Glass Gobos...


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Hey folks,

I am currently pricing out the cost for purchasing about 6 - 10 custom =
glass
gobos.  I have of course talked to Rosco but their prices are pretty
prohibitive.  Googling "custom gobos" came up with a number of =
manufacturers
which had prices at about half of Rosco.  Only problem is that i am =
awful
wary of a random internet outfit.

Have any of you folks dealt with any manufacturers of custom glass gobos
that you would recomend dealing with or even staying away from?

And on a second note, Rosco gave a really good plug for their ImagePRO
projectors... anyone use these yet?  You like them?  Hate them?  Worth
investing in rather than going with glass?

thanks,
Jason Cowperthwaite
Lighting/Audio Coordinator
Greenburg Theatre - American University



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Message-ID: <00af01c463d8$ffb5b240$17e2f4cc [at] oemcomputer>
From: "Tom Heemskerk" <tommy [at] etainternet.com>
References: <list-3826884 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Musical instrument
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:15:10 -0700


----- Original Message ----- >
>
> why?
>
> I have no idea, , from all I know about overtones, partials, , etc,   it
> really doesn't make any sense.  I 've never seen nor heard of music that
was
> specifically written for the double bell euphonium either.
>
>

Um...  the smaller bell is used for higher-register passages, since it
produces a "brighter" sound with more higher partials/overtones. In other
words, the euphonium can sound more like a trombone and less than a tuba up
high, and vice-versa down low. The length of tubing, and therefore the
pitch, doesn't change when switching bells, afaik.

Anyone remember the Baja Marimba Band? They were in a commercial for
Coffee-Mate or something like that. Anyway one of them played a
double-belled euphonium. The fellow did a sight gag on a TV special I saw -
he took a huge drag on his stogey and began a solo, and before long smoke
arose from the large bell. Then, magically, smoke came out the smaller bell
partway through the same solo passage. Cheap gag, but it worked.

th



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1e6.247187cd.2e1cdca7 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:57:11 EDT
Subject: Re: OT: logos onscreen
Cc: ladesigners [at] juno.com


In a message dated 7/6/4 5:38:43 PM, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote:

<<This is true, but the widest amount of deference is granted nonprofit,
tax-exempt stage theatres of 100 seats or less, when it comes to nu>>

Richard... is this the LEGAL definition of a live peep-show?  ;)

Kristi

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <15a.3924d347.2e1ce11f [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:16:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Musical instrument
Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

In a message dated 7/6/4 9:44:35 PM, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote:
<<So now they're actually using Trumpets, Marching Tubas, Mellophones in 
either the key of Bb or F, etc.  This means that now a LOT of the corps can get 
sponsorship agreements with the manufacturers (Yamaha, Conn-Selmer, etc). >>

I remember part of the reason this came about was that MENC (Music Educator's 
National Conference) said in effect "We school music teachers will be able to 
support you [DCI] more if you use instruments we have in the school concert 
bands!" It's a win-win-win... DCI gets kids who play year round in concert as 
well as marching, schools get kids with amazing discipline/marching/performance 
skills, and the band kids have another quality opportunity for playing plus 
they can often buy their DCI instrument for a fraction of the MSRP.

How can we get something like this going for theatre??? (tossing out bait for 
discussion.) 

Kristi

P.S. - Sean you are NOT a geek! Fanatic, yes! I've been a DCI fan for 25+ 
years. Love the Madison Scouts/Capitol Sound. Who knows... with my son playing 
euphonium now, he may end up there some day!

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Cc: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:26:33 -0700
Subject: Re: OT: logos onscreen
Message-ID: <20040706.222719.2944.51.ladesigners [at] juno.com>
From: Richard Niederberg <ladesigners [at] juno.com>

Of course not.
/s/ Richard

> Richard... is this the LEGAL definition of a live peep-show?  ;)
> Kristi

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From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <d9.eaa6ba9.2e1d2266 [at] aol.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:54:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Fall arrest and scaffolding


In a message dated 7/6/04 1:38:00 AM, matg [at] comcast.net writes:

<< Does anyone have specific information about the requirement for fall 
arest when using scaffolding, genie, and scissor lifts in california? If 
so please contact me off list.

But here is my specific situation - the safety department is trying to 
get us to use fall arrest on scaffolding (good idea) but insists on us 
anchoring to the scaffolding (bad idea). It seems that if one were to 
fall, the alluminum bracing would simply unclip off and fall down with 
you - most likely hitting you after you land. Even worse, it could 
conceivably weaken the structure of the scaffold enough to create an 
even more unsafe situation. Am I wrong in thinking all this? >>

OK.  Now that I've had some sleep....

Fall Arrest is not required when building scaffolding.  Work positioning 
equipment is used instead.  This gear provides body support when working hands 
free or off balance.  It should be designed to prevent a fall, not stop you after 
a fall has occurred.

When the scaffolding is completed and people are climbing it to get to where 
they need to work, then fall arrest is required.  The cross braces do not meet 
the 5,000 lb tensile strength requirement for fall arrest.  No single point 
on a scaff structure does...usually.  It is more common to have a separate fall 
arrest system attached to the scaffolding structure.  Maybe something like an 
I-beam bolted to the top of the structure.

zat help?
Bill S.

Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851 fax
267.278.4561 mobile
We stand behind, and under, our work.
                             


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