Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #66 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:00:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #66 1. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by "Jack E. Wilkinson" 2. Re: marching band by John Bracewell 3. Re: marching band /digest question by 4. Re: marching band /digest question by IAEG [at] aol.com 5. Re: Hoffend Vortek System by "Roy Harline" 6. Re: Hoffend Vortek by Randi Minetor 7. Re: marching band by "Jon Ares" 8. Re Teaching stagecraft by Tom Grabowski 9. RE Spanish Dance & What countries do they come from by Tom Grabowski 10. Re: Hoffend Vortek System by "Delbert Hall" 11. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by MissWisc [at] aol.com 12. Re: marching band by John Bracewell 13. Re: marching band /digest question by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 14. Re: marching band /digest question by Stephen Litterst 15. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 16. Road case foam by "Mike Rock" 17. ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... by Barney Simon 18. Re: ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... by "Tony Deeming" 19. Re: marching band by "Jon Ares" 20. Re: Musical Instrument by "richard j. archer" 21. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by "Delbert Hall" 22. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by "richard j. archer" 23. Re: old lights: was marching band by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 24. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by "Jon Ares" 25. Mackie fun on CafePress.com by "Andy Leviss" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system From: "Jack E. Wilkinson" In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1089369301.11834.54.camel [at] olympia.drbear.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:35:02 -0500 another question comes to mind on a powered rigging system... what about failure rates? i've been teching theatre now for nigh on 40 years and i've never seen a CW lineset "go bad" during a show. if you lose a rail hand, the stage manager (or some other deck crew) runs over and pitches in. what happens if a controller for the system goes bad or a motor dies?? just a thought... (thats what you get when i read the list at this time of the morning) jack ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040709073923.0531d9d8 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 07:48:59 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: marching band In-Reply-To: References: >Why do you suppose so many of us "used to be" >musicians? Oh, I never stopped counting myself as a musician. One of the reasons that theatre sound was attractive was that I could keep working with music in some form or other, including composition and arranging. Why were so many of us musicians at one time? Probably because a lot of the qualities that make theatre attractive are the same qualities that make music and music performance attractive. However, it may also be the case that performing on an instrument--doing it professionally well, anyway, is a lot more like athleticism, requiring serious, dedicated training and practice. Not that theatre doesn't require that, but, if you stop to think about it, in theatre we do things in bursts. Get the show prepared, then slack a bit in the run up to the next production. We have the luxury of some down times that don't really cost us anything in technique and performing "edge," whereas professional musicians can't afford that kind of time off. I think some of us found an interesting art that didn't require that no-nonsense regimen of steady practice, sometimes painful, and gradually drifted over. --JLB ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: marching band /digest question Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 8:06:13 -0400 Message-Id: <20040709120613.SZXL1402.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02> > Why were so many of us musicians at one time? Maybe because before the day of the huge community performing arts center the band/orchestra/chorus rehearsed and performed on stage. The directors are in charge of the stage and need a crew to set up and tear down. Then those that show interest stick around a little longer and help with lights and sound while their group isn't performing. Then the bug has bitten and they hook up with the drama groups and then any chance at leading a "normal" life is over. Or at least that is how I went from trumpet to a life of crime...I mean theatre. Hey you digesters. Is there still a problem with ends of long paragraphs being clipped since the move to the new server? Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <54.2dd77031.2e1fed69 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:45:29 EDT Subject: Re: marching band /digest question In a message dated 7/9/04 8:25:51 AM, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: << > Why were so many of us musicians at one time? Maybe because before the day of the huge community performing arts center the band/orchestra/chorus rehearsed and performed on stage. The directors are in charge of the stage and need a crew to set up and tear down. Then those that show interest stick around a little longer and help with lights and sound while their group isn't performing. Then the bug has bitten and they hook up with the drama groups and then any chance at leading a "normal" life is over. >> although I grew up in the theatrical family, and was backstage on various productions since before I could walk , half time shows were my first hands on experience with black light, wiring up basic lighting PYRO ! ! ! ( before licenses etc were needed ) portable sound, etc etc the HS Drama dept didn't have access to any of that stuff, ( our HS Auditorium had dipped footlights and a total inventory of 3 6" Fresnels, there were two instruments Front of House that looked like they were adapted from Film Strip Projectors, totally useless if I recall correctly ) very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek System Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:59:49 -0500 Message-ID: <113B53270F9381408A36C24443A9127F88CE49 [at] tssbs.tsc.local> From: "Roy Harline" Bill and Delbert have commented on Vortek and the forces on beams... Delbert said "With the Vortek system, the load placed on the structure of the = building is whatever the load is you are lifting, plus the weight of the = Vortek system itself, and the any shockload that results from operating = the system. The load on the structure is straight down, so you that = makes thing simple. Therefore, it is easy to calculate the size of steel = needed." I say... It should be noted that the Vortek system also uses loft blocks and = cable feeding from the Motor/drums at the "head" of the system. The = structure will need to be figured with the vertical and horizontal = forces. The "head" is designed to bridge between two loft beams = eliminating the need for the double beam required in counterweight = systems.=20 While a catwalk would not have to be sized to hold extra counterweight = as a loading bridge, I would think there should be a catwalk for = maintenance. =20 Roy Harline ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6EC74690-D1A9-11D8-B11C-000D935381F4 [at] minetor.com> From: Randi Minetor Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:11:04 -0400 Joe -- I have forwarded your message to Jeffrey Hoffend, and I spoke with him this morning. I'm sure you will get the answers you need in short order now. Randi Minetor PR representative for Hoffend & Sons > > Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040708122154.00a01670 [at] mail.kingphilip.org> > Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:39:11 -0400 > From: "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" > Subject: Hoffend Vortek system > > Greetings everyone: > > I am a new subscriber to this list, but have been working tech > ever > since high school. I am now the director/tech director and theatre > teacher > of a high school theatre program in Southeastern Massachusetts. We are > about to begin construction/renovation of our school, which is to > include a > brand-new 875 seat theatre to replace our elderly 560 seat auditorium. > The > architects have brought up installing a Hoffend Vortek rigging system > as a > way to save on the costs of the steel and construction needed to > reinforce > the roof and floor of the stage to accommodate a double-purchase > weighted > fly system (45' H fly space/18' H proscenium). I am tying to locate > people > who have used this system AND a venue somewhere in Eastern > MA/RI/Eastern > CT/Southern NH that uses this system so I can arrange a visit and see > it in > action. I have been waiting for a reply from Hoffend's regional sales > person for over two weeks to arrange a visit and I'd rather not wait > longer > as plans are finalizing with the architects and I'd like to know what > to > expect BEFORE they are included in the final design. If anyone can > assist > me, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks. > > Cordially, > Joe Ferreira > > > Joseph J. Ferreira, Jr. > Department of Social Studies > & Director, KP Drama & GAPS > King Philip Regional High School > 201 Franklin Street > Wrentham, MA 02093 > Web page: http://fac.kingphilip.org/~ferreiraj/ > E-mail: ferreiraj [at] kingphilip.org > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000e01c465bc$19de1ba0$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: marching band Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:53:21 -0700 > However, it may also be the case > that performing on an instrument--doing it professionally well, anyway, is > a lot more like athleticism, requiring serious, dedicated training and > practice. Not that theatre doesn't require that, but, if you stop to think > about it, in theatre we do things in bursts. Get the show prepared, then > slack a bit in the run up to the next production. We have the luxury of > some down times that don't really cost us anything in technique and > performing "edge," whereas professional musicians can't afford that kind of > time off. I think some of us found an interesting art that didn't require > that no-nonsense regimen of steady practice, sometimes painful, and > gradually drifted over. Easy there... you're starting to wander into a minefield where many professionally-trained actors (like myself) would argue with you. I'm not going to argue with you, though. :) But those that are still-practicing pro actors study voice daily (or nearly), work out, continue classes and private coaching (like an athlete) and a lot more. (I'm more of the "used to be" musician.) Nowdays I prefer to tell actrons what to do ("Direct,") or play with blackwrap and tell sets and lights what to do. As my acting coach and mentor used to say (which I believe she lifted from Gordon Hunt), "If you're not acting, you're not an actor." The same could be said for the other pro trades: musician, athlete, etc. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:31:58 -0500 From: Tom Grabowski Subject: Re Teaching stagecraft Message-id: <007d01c465c1$7dcc96f0$423c7181 [at] TGRABOWSKI> Subject: Teaching Stagecraft Hi all, I'm working on a paper for ATHE and want some other voices if possible. = If you teach Stagecraft (or intro to technical theatre) at a BA or BS = program could you quickly comment on the following questions? 1) Do you require shop hours and, if so, do you (the instructor) = supervise them, or is there a separate Stagecraft instructor and Technical = director? I require either a crew assignment in props, lights or sound or work in the shop on a show depending on the student's work and class schedule. 2) What areas of Tech theatre do you cover? Mine is a two semester sequence with the first being stagecraft and the second covering the equipment of light and sound and sound design. It is not ideal but there are only so many classes we can require. 3) How do you reconcile your requirements as an instructor of the = liberal arts with teaching what is essentially a skills class? My Stagecraft = course doesn't allow much (if any) creative work on the part of the students. = Does yours? How? Is it effective? Yes it is basically a skills class but they need these skills in order practice the art. As the learning happens both in the = class room and as part of an active production season, they are exposed to the creative work on a regular basis. You can respond to me off-list if you'd prefer. Matt Kopans University of Pittsburgh mjkopa [at] yahoo.com =09 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail=20 ************ Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer/Technical Director Communication Department Tomgrab [at] panam.edu Edinburg, Texas 78539 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:53:34 -0500 From: Tom Grabowski Subject: RE Spanish Dance & What countries do they come from Message-id: <007f01c465c4$81fa33b0$423c7181 [at] TGRABOWSKI> Subject: Spanish Dance & What countries do they come from I'm doing some research for a project. What I am trying to come up with = is a list of dances found within the spanish speaking population and the countries=20 where they have originated from or are most popular in.=20 Any help would be appreciated=20 Norman Lazarus ------------------------------ You might want to look at the Folkloric dance from Mexico. Here in the Rio Grande Valley as all along the border, there are many groups = that specialize in both the many different regional dances from the various states in Mexico as well works from the Indian cultures from Central = America and even the ancient Aztecs. Some titles and States from the last several concerts Mestizo dances Tabasco Habanera Zacatecas Cuadrilla Zacatecas Huapango Huastaca El Venado Yaqui Indians of Sonora Redova, Schottische Tamaulipas Chilena Guerrero jarana Yucateca Mayan from Yucatan Jota Northern Spain Zapateado Southern Spain ************ Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer/Technical Director Communication Department Tomgrab [at] panam.edu Edinburg, Texas 78539 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek System Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:56:07 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c465c4$dfd6acc0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: You are absolutely correct Roy. For some reason (insanity probably) I was thinking about a shaft system with separate drums for each lift line, like at Gammage Auditorium. I know this is not what Vortek is, but sometimes I get a thought in my head and can't get it out. Thanks for keeping me straight. So, forget everything I said about resultant forces not applying to Vortek, just as with a CW system - they do apply. -Delbert -----Original Message----- I say... It should be noted that the Vortek system also uses loft blocks and cable feeding from the Motor/drums at the "head" of the system. The structure will need to be figured with the vertical and horizontal forces. While a catwalk would not have to be sized to hold extra counterweight as a loading bridge, I would think there should be a catwalk for maintenance. Roy Harline ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <114.350293f0.2e2027e2 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:54:58 EDT Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system Cc: halld [at] etsu.edu Delbert and Bill and all... THANK YOU! You guys rock! I love learning more about rigging things and am greatful to have experts to learn from. Next question... Counterweight systems are fairly common in theatres so there is (or should be) a lot of training opportunities for people to learn to use them properly. What training is available for the Vortek system? For example... if you need to go to the manufacturer to learn to run it, and the theatre owners pay for that safety training (IRRC, OSHA rules say the employer provides safety equipment/training), then might the expense of that training outweigh the initial savings? I'd certainly want someone using a rigging system over my head to have more training than "I saw it at USITT." or "It was here when I got here and I THINK figured it out." And another... How does this figure into the ESTA proposal to have certified riggers? Would familiarity with Vortek be a required part? Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040709130308.00abb520 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:05:41 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: marching band In-Reply-To: References:

>Easy there... you're starting to wander into a minefield where many >professionally-trained actors (like myself) would argue with you. I'm not >going to argue with you, though. :) You don't need to. I should have made it clear, but I wasn't thinking about the actors when I made my previous statements. Actors, to me, are much more like musicians in that they have to do some kind of almost daily exercise and practice in order to keep in shape. Although design and technical skills get rusty if not used for a long time, certainly, I don't know people who practice joinery exercises or welding every day in order to keep in shape. Or even designers who practice water color or model building techniques every day in order to keep in shape. Make more sense said that way? -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4050490.1089392920301.JavaMail.root [at] louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:08:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: marching band /digest question -----Original Message----- >Greg Bierly said: > >Maybe because before the day of the huge community performing arts center the band/orchestra/chorus >rehearsed and performed on stage. The directors are in charge of the stage and need a crew to set up and tear >down. Then those that show interest stick around a little longer and help with lights and sound while their group >isn't performing. Then the bug has bitten and they hook up with the drama groups and then any chance at >leading a "normal" life is over. > >Or at least that is how I went from trumpet to a life of crime...I mean theatre. EXACTLY!!! Even down to the trumpet part. The band director in my high school was also the "Stage Manager" (read: Technical Director). He was good at it, as he had a family background in theatre (I believe his father was a Broadway set designer in the 50's and 60's). As the HS auditorium was rather large and in really good shape, we did a lot of rentals--cultural groups, little kid dance school performances, etc. He (band director) would hire students to run the events. It was pretty cool to MAKE money playing with the gear I would have played with for free. That was the beginning of the end for me. I'd actually at one point considered being a professional musician, but theatre was more fun (and didn't hurt my lips after 4 hours). On a side note, my experience has been that there are a LOT of "reformed" brass players who are electricians. Thoughts? --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:34:14 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: marching band /digest question Message-id: <40EED716.7395A281 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > On a side note, my experience has been that there are a LOT of "reformed" brass players who are electricians. Thoughts? Reformed? Is that really possible? I would have to say that my experience seems similar. Within our Design/Tech faculty we have four brass players (that I know about. I don't know everyone's history) Three of those four are "electricians." (Ok, an LD, me, and John Bracewell -- who's everything). If I'd played a woodwind or string instrument seriously I'd have been more concerned about damaging my fingers doing tech work. Likewise, if I had been a vocalist the dusty parts of tech would have scared me off. As it is, I fear that my band experience has contributed to my hearing loss, steering me towards lighting tech over sound. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:36:46 EDT Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system In a message dated 7/9/04 12:57:54 PM, MissWisc [at] aol.com writes: << And another... How does this figure into the ESTA proposal to have certified riggers? Would familiarity with Vortek be a required part? >> OK. This is my bailiwick. (BTW...what the hell is a bailiwick?) We are working on developing the testing for both Arena Style Riggers and Theatre style. The theatre style will be directed at those who load in/out and run shows, not equipment installers. That will probably be later. The Body Of Knowledge we are assembling includes the knowledge needed to use, run, maintain and inspect all motorized rigging systems including ones like the Vortek. We do not care about brand names, we are looking to make sure people know how to deal with all of the equipment on the market. Zat help? Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c465e0$81090c30$176e1745 [at] Spankythelovemachine> From: "Mike Rock" Subject: Road case foam Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:13:58 -0500 I will soon be building some cases for some intelligent lights. They will not be going on the road or leaving the shop/ theater for that matter, the case will just be used to store them in.. I have a rough drawing of how it will/should work and will refine more once I teach myself cad but the one thing I can not solve is where to get the foam need to protect the lights from the wood. Any ideas or cheaper suggestions? Mike Rock ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40EEE95D.9060407 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:52:13 -0400 From: Barney Simon Subject: ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... References: In-Reply-To: I'm cleaning out the basement, I have two of our scenic drops painted in the 30's by the Dunkle scene shop. They are ready to be retired. The Marquette University's Museum has expressed interest in the past (the have other Dunkle work where he worked with Salvidor Dali). Are there other worthy recipients that I should consider? Barney Simon Joseph C Hansen Company, Inc. Drapes Drops and Dance Floors NYC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <118b01c465f0$17609ae0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:05:32 +0100 Stick 'em up on Ebay....? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Simon" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm cleaning out the basement, I have two of our scenic drops painted in > the 30's by the Dunkle scene shop. They are ready to be retired. The > Marquette University's Museum has expressed interest in the past (the > have other Dunkle work where he worked with Salvidor Dali). Are there > other worthy recipients that I should consider? > > Barney Simon > Joseph C Hansen Company, Inc. > Drapes Drops and Dance Floors > NYC > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001401c465fe$c3080dc0$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: marching band Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:50:31 -0700 Actors, to me, are > much more like musicians in that they have to do some kind of almost daily > exercise and practice in order to keep in shape. Although design and > technical skills get rusty if not used for a long time, certainly, I don't > know people who practice joinery exercises or welding every day in order to > keep in shape. Or even designers who practice water color or model > building techniques every day in order to keep in shape. > > Make more sense said that way? > Yup. Shore does. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:18:28 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Musical Instrument >------------ > >Delbert wrote: >> I never realized that we could have a Stagecraft list >> marching band. Maybe some presidential candidate will want us >> to play at a rally. We could be on Letterman. We could be > > famous - if we weren't drunk or too busy doing theatre. Me too, I guess. I played tuba (sousaphone) from the 7th grade through grad school. Lots of parades; Macy's with the balloons; Orange Bowl; Miss America; NYC and Boston St.Pats, etc: Pro football; Patriots, NY Giants and NY Titans (some of us are old) and nearly every football, hockey and basketball home or away for five years at Boston College. (I got out in four but hung around one more...it was the 60's) Dick A TD Cornell U. ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:46:14 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c4661f$aff1b850$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: In an unsolicited email that I received this afternoon from Jeff Hoffend, he said, "The answer to most of the discussion yesterday boils down to one statement: every building is different: We work with many Architects, Consultants and GC's all buildings have different savings potential. We have seen buildings remove as much as $370,000 in costs. With the price of steel rising the way it has over the last 6-mos these savings continue to grow." As Jeff says, some building may be able to save big bucks, while others may not. You just have to get your architect to run the numbers to know if you can save any money and how much. Cost is only one factor. You need to look at the advantages and disadvantages of the various CW and automated rigging systems. No system is perfect - each will have its strengths and weaknesses. Compare these strengths and weaknesses to your needs and your budget. Hopefully, one system will distinguish itself as the best system for you. -Delbert ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:03:57 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system >You must also find out how your building is funded. Ours' had >construction costs and equipment costs. The fly system was in >equipment but the steel was all in building cost. 2-300K in a >$25millon building doesn't look like much but the price of an >automated system, even Vortek, would have killed our small equipment >budget. The pencil pushers don't like moving their columns. It's >like trying to get the EC to run empty sound conduit. Dick A TD Cornell U ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <148.2dee7edf.2e20adf6 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:27:02 EDT Subject: Re: old lights: was marching band Keith Arsenault writes: >two instruments Front of House that looked like they were adapted from Film >Strip Projectors, totally useless if I recall correctly ..... Wow. I just had a flashback to the TV Studio I worked in at a small Midwestern private college. Some clever person had taken a bunch of old WWII surplus overhead/opaque projectors, removed the opaque lamp head, attached a J-clamp to the housing and tried to call them scoop flood lights. However, the glass reflector focused at about 12" in front of the lamp rendering them all but useless. The heat from the lamps tended to shatter the glass reflectors. Since these were completely open face, the bits of glass had a tendency rain down on the set. I buried all of them in a dumpster. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c46630$62de0f80$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:45:46 -0700 I just got back from a meeting with a rigger/carp who is on Stagecraft Industries' install team.... they're currently installing a Vortek system in a spendy, hoity-toity middle school in Vancouver, USA - I'm going to try to see if I can get in there and see the Hoffend stuff. This is the first Vortek I know of in the greater Portland, OR USA area. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: Mackie fun on CafePress.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:31:05 -0400 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <00e601c46647$7b6208b0$2802a8c0 [at] AndyLeviss> Hey gang, The other night, I ran into a sound engineer friend of mine at an EP release party in the Village, and in conversation I happened to mention a certain piece of parody artwork I'd done while bored and restless one night during a tech rehearsal back in my college days (okay, they weren't that long ago, but still...). 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