Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #68 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:00:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #68 1. Re: Bailiwick by Stephen Litterst 2. Re: Bailiwick by "Paul Schreiner" 3. Re: Bailiwick by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 4. Re: Bailiwick by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 5. Re: Bailiwick by Richard Niederberg 6. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by Mike Brubaker 7. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by Mike Brubaker 8. Re: Hoffend Vortek system by Stephen Litterst *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:38:12 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Bailiwick Message-id: <12ea21287c.1287c12ea2 [at] ithaca.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: MARK OBRIEN Date: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:01 pm Subject: Re: Bailiwick > ---------------------------- > > Richard, > > What about all of the love letters Bill sends from South Africa, > China, and > god knows where? You mean those ones where he says he has access to Ten Zillion dollars, and will give me ten percent if he can use my bank account for the money transfer? Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200407111759.i6BHxI94000766 [at] webmail.longwood.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Bailiwick Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:59:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: > > What about all of the love letters Bill sends from South Africa, > > China, and god knows where? > > You mean those ones where he says he has access to Ten > Zillion dollars, and will give me ten percent if he can use > my bank account for the money transfer? That's Bill?? Hell, if I'd-a known that, I'd have replied to the email already! Bill, any time you wanna deposit money in my bank account, give me a holler... ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <155.3954b1c8.2e22e65e [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:52:14 EDT Subject: Re: Bailiwick In a message dated 7/11/04 1:40:54 PM, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: << You mean those ones where he says he has access to Ten Zillion dollars, and will give me ten percent if he can use my bank account for the money transfer? >> Yeah. Those. The funny part was I was getting those from a place called Sandton, South Africa at the time I was actually in Sandton. It's a suburb of Johannesburg. I was thinking maybe I would stop in and pay them a visit. Then again, maybe not. Back home and happy to be here. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.250d52b8.2e22e772 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:56:50 EDT Subject: Re: Bailiwick In a message dated 7/11/04 2:02:05 PM, schreinerpd [at] longwood.edu writes: << Bill, any time you wanna deposit money in my bank account, give me a holler... >> OK. But first I'm gonna have to steal it from Steve L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:16:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Bailiwick Message-ID: <20040711.121718.2768.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Are sure that the Bullion Specie that the Nigerian is attempting to liberate is not just Gold painted counterweights? /s/ Richard > Bill, any time you wanna deposit money in my bank account, > give me a holler... ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040711140721.02ae6950 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:20:09 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system In-Reply-To: References:

As I understand Vortek: 1. Yes, you can put CW on 4" centers--although I am not sure what good it really does you. That said, if you alternate sides (one motor stage right, the next stage left) with the Vortek motors, according to Hoffend you can get as close, as I recall, as 4 1/2" on center. With the motors on only one side of the stage, you can only get as tight as a 9" spacing. 2. I have not heard of any limitations of length of batten for the Vortek system. The original design was only 6 lines, but even that wouldn't have created at 42 foot limit. 3. You are not limited to using the Vortek batten, unless you want abnormally long spans between lift lines (say, 20 feet). Why not use standard Sch. 40 pipe? 4. There are also things you can do with a Vortek that you would find difficult or impossible to do with counterweight. Such as cueing, presets, perfect synchronization of multiples of battens, and, very importantly, someone in a wheelchair operating the entire rigging system. Having a lineset stop at the same elevation, in the same amount of time, each and every night, without variation. Multiples of linesets running at the same time--without dozens of operators. Use of Vortek (or similar winches from other companies--JR Clancy, Texas Scenic, Secoa) should not preclude outside shows. A theatre designed to accommodate traveling shows should be built with a gridiron, anyway. Mike At 07:33 PM 7/8/2004, Delbert Hall wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Kristi - This is a good question. If this were my need I would >definitely choose a single purchase CW system. Let's face it a CW >system will be more flexible than the Vortek system: > >1) You can put CW linesets on 4" centers, but I doubt that you can get >Vortek linesets closer than 8" apart. >2) You can have a batten on CW lineset that is 80+ feet long. Vortek >limits battens to around 42 feet >3) You can put batten extensions on CW system, but I don't think you can >do this on a Vortek aluminum batten. >4) There are lots of weird things you could do with a CW system that >would be difficult or impossible to do with Vortek. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040711142026.02b31930 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:24:27 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system In-Reply-To: References:

On the other hand, one of the reasons to consider powered rigging is a situation that is far more likely--what happens when a lineset is out of balance and goes runaway. I've seen linesets run away (in professional halls, too), and I've seen the aftermath of linesets that ran. I have not seen that happen on a powered rigging system. What happens if a controller or motor dies is...nothing. No falling scenery, no hurt people. Mike At 05:35 AM 7/9/2004, Jack E. Wilkinson wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >another question comes to mind on a powered rigging system... what >about failure rates? i've been teching theatre now for nigh on 40 years >and i've never seen a CW lineset "go bad" during a show. > >what happens if a controller for the system goes bad or a motor dies?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:35:18 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system Message-id: <5e382600.26005e38 [at] ithaca.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Brubaker Date: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:24 pm Subject: Re: Hoffend Vortek system > ---------------------------- and I've seen the aftermath of linesets that ran. I > have not > seen that happen on a powered rigging system. > > What happens if a controller or motor dies is...nothing. No > falling > scenery, no hurt people. Well, on the other hand, operator error is a little more dangerous. I was working a load-in with a hydralic system in Richmond, VA. The operator switched linesets but forgot to turn off the previous line, so when he hit the go button, he ripped apart a leg that had been attached to the deck. Minor situation, minor damage, but a live operator would have noticed the increased weight on the line, even if they hadn't seen the leg. Steve L. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #68 ****************************