Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #71 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:01:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #71 1. Re: plays as scenes in movies by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: winch question by usctd [at] columbia.sc 3. Re: plays as scenes in movies by "Rob Carovillano" 4. movies of stage sets and a fun story by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 5. movies of stage sets -- reminder by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 6. Heat survey by usctd [at] columbia.sc 7. Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 8. Re: a fun story and note by IAEG [at] aol.com 9. Re: Vortek by Michael Powers 10. Re: movies of stage sets and a fun story/Katherine Healy by Richard Niederberg 11. Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder by "Ann Warren" 12. Re: winch question by "MARK OBRIEN" 13. Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder by Wood Chip-P26398 14. Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 15. Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 16. FOH magazine by Ron Cargile 17. Re: a fun story and note by Kevin Lee Allen 18. Re: winch question by usctd [at] columbia.sc 19. Re: ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... by CB 20. Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 21. Re: Heat survey by "Mike Rock" 22. Re: winch question by Mike Brubaker 23. Re: Heat survey by "Andrew Vance" 24. Re: [Show-Control] Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 25. Re: plays as scenes in movies thread by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 26. Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder by James Kosmatka 27. Re: [Show-Control] Re: winch question by Mike Brubaker 28. Re: [Show-Control] Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 29. Re: movies of stage sets and a fun story/Katherine Healy by MissWisc [at] aol.com 30. Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder by "Jon Ares" 31. Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder by "Jon Ares" 32. OT: Demountable Hinges by James Feinberg 33. Re: winch question by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 34. Re: movies w/ opera scenes by Steven Hood 35. Re: winch question by Mike Brubaker 36. Re: Drottningholm candles by Paul Puppo 37. Re: plays as scenes in movies by Paul Puppo 38. Re: movies w/ opera scenes by Steve Larson 39. Lightronics Board Info, please by JT 40. Re: movies w/ opera scenes by Boyd Ostroff 41. Re: winch question by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 42. Re: winch question by Jerry Durand 43. Cad help by "Mike Rock" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <007301c469a6$35998e40$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: plays as scenes in movies Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:26:44 -1000 "The Devils" by Ken Russell Fellini's "Satyricon"... kinda. Laters, Paul "These propulsion systems were used by NASA on moon rockets," said Tom apologetically. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1384.129.252.241.105.1089817916.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: winch question From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Great! Lookin forward to it. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 02:25 PM 7/13/2004, you wrote: >>I suspect I'm not the only one who is having trouble envisioning this set >> up. >> Jerry. How about a sketch sent over to me and I'll get it put up on my >>website? Then we can all go and see what it really looks like and if it >> will >>work...or not. > > Will do. I'll actually post it on mine and give a link. I'll try to do > it > in the morning. > > > ---------- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > 219 Oak Wood Way > Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886 > fax: +1 408 356-4659 > web: www.interstellar.com > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000a01c469b0$f6f18340$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Re: plays as scenes in movies Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:43:44 -0400 How about Citzen Kane? Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: movies of stage sets and a fun story Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: >ubject: Re: Movies, er, films with theatrical scenes >Message-ID: <20040713.113043.2568.4.ladesigners [at] juno.com> >From: Richard Niederberg >How about 'Six Weeks' (Moore/Moore)? Oh indeed how could I have forgotten Munchhausen!........Or Six Weeks.....a film that is dear to my heart. Here's why....and it is a great tech story! I probably told it before but that would have been at least 4 years ago so here is the story. For nearly 20 years I have been working (every 4 years) at The US International Ballet Competition, part of the system where Barishnikov Godunov and so many other ballet stars first came to fame. I came to the IBC by a very strange route. In 1982, the precursor of Bravo Network filmed the competition and turned it into a special patterned after olympic coverage. The show was called "Dance for Gold". "color" commentary was done by the great NYC Ballet dancer Jacques D'Amboise and figure skater (!) Dick Button. There were as always some astonishing dancers from around the world. Although the minimum age then for the Junior division was 16 years old, the rules made it possible in exceptional circumstances for a dancer of exceptional quality to petition the jury for entry at an earlier age. Katherine Healey was just 13 at the time 3 years younger than the minimum, but she was accepted into the competition. As the film shows, she was brilliant.....but just as she was about to earn one of the few (at that time) gold medals for the US, splat she went on the floor in the middle of a Don Quixote pas de deux. Just like the worst of today's women's gymnstics competition on TV, D'Amboise ran backstage and shoved a microphone in her face to get her reaction to her fall on stage and fall from gold-medal contention. The dialogue though was priceless. Remember this is a 13 year old girl here . . . D'Amboise: "Kathy! What hapenned!" Kathy: "I fell" D: "You mean you slipped on a slick spot of floor" K: "No, I fell" D: "You mean the marley tape caught your foot" K: "No I just fell" After years of working with dancers who blame everything on tech, I thought "I have to meet this person". It took me eight years before she returned to the IBC as a special guest artist. Alas by then I was so tongue tied but I did get to meet her. Meanwhile to show what she was really made of: At the IBC she earned a silver medal. That year she was also made the star of that Dudley Moore film, "6 Weeks" also with Mary Tyler Moore. AND....besides being a star then of the film world and ballet world, she had already been the featured ice skater on the cover and in the text of the book "a very young skater". Just a few years later PBS's new years' special had a featured performance of her skating in Baltimore. I remember seeing an interview with Dudley Moore where he spoke of how hard he tried to get her to give up her other interests to become a Hollywood actress as he felt she was briliant. No, she wanted to be a dancer. For a number of years I lost track of what she was doing, but her great talent, intellect, and poise seems to have carried her in even more fields. She ended up with a graduate degree in Art History from Princeton (Magna or suma cum Laude) and for a number of years was a principle dancer with the Austrian Ballet. (retired from that now I understand). But what I'll always remember most was this dancer saying: "I just fell!" Si Thank you Richard N for the reminder! ------------------------------ From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: movies of stage sets -- reminder Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:13:24 -0400 Message-ID: Just another reminder that at least for my current little project, what interests me are listings of films that show great, interesting, or fascinating theatre scenery. There are THOUSANDS of movies that depict actors, dancers, proms, parties, theatre concerts, etc. I am after those films that provide good examples of theatre sets. One of the good examples cited (among a number!) is the newly released Spider Man with it's sequences showing scenes of a stage production of Importance of Being Earnest RF ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1569.129.252.241.105.1089821600.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Heat survey From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Hi all, I would like to take a survey of how many of you have scene shops that have no AC, exhaust fans, etc. Of these shops, how many are open in the summer months? How hot and humid does it get in the shop during the peak of summer heat? Do any of you have AC or swamp coolers? Do you mainly do metal work, wood, or both? Do you have a dust collection system? This has been an issue for me here. We have exhaust fans which do a very nice job of bringing in more hot air. I would like to outfit the shop with some form of air cooling as it is quite unbearable during the months of june-september. As I formulate an argument with the University and the Department over the next couple years, I would like to have some stats of what is happening accross the country. Thanks for the responses. You may reply off list if you wish. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714085640.026f1b68 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:58:17 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References:

Ok, I've put a drawing here: http://interstellar.com/temp/Winch.ppt Hopefully that clears things up a bit. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:13:38 EDT Subject: Re: a fun story and note In a message dated 7/14/04 8:09:41 AM, rfinkels [at] msn.com writes: << For a number of years I lost track of what she was doing, but her great talent, intellect, and poise seems to have carried her in even more fields. She ended up with a graduate degree in Art History from Princeton (Magna or suma cum Laude) and for a number of years was a principle dancer with the Austrian Ballet. (retired from that now I understand). >> I always wondered what happened to her as well. I recall she danced with London Festival Ballet (now English National Ballet) on and off but never with a major US company. Richard, I don't mean to be critical in the least as god knows I have made a million typos but in your posting you made one of the most common theatrical typos, one that I see far, far too often on resumes. Since I know we have a lot of young, aspiring professionals "listening" in I thought I would point it out, not to be critical of you but to make sure our less experienced folks don't see your typo and think that this is the proper usage. I am speaking of "principle" Of course I understand you meant to say Principal Dancer. I cannot begin to tell you how often I see that mistake on resumes and credit listings and even once in a blue moon in an actual PLAYBILL program. The most common offenders are actors who have done TV commercials where the term has a lot of meaning as to residuals, etc. Dancers make the mistake as well but not with the same frequency it seems. I have seen materials from a "Principal Dancer" of American Ballet Theatre with the incorrect form of the word however. (He will remain nameless) Students, make a good impression with your resume, make sure you know the difference between "principle(s)" (which I hope you have) and "principal" (roles and/or jobs that I hope you get) I am certain Mr. Finkelstein would agree. very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:24:06 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Vortek Cc: mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu (mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu) Message-id: <1089822246.40f55e266d58e [at] mail-www3.oit.umass.edu> Stephen Litterst slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: << ....... but a live operator would have noticed the Increased weight on the line, even if they hadn't seen the leg..... >> Steve, One of the things the Vortek system touts both on the web site and at the display at Long Beach, was the Over/Under weight sensing capability. The web site says the sensitivity can be set for as little as (IIRC) 2 pounds. When the guy at the booth grabbed a moving batten going either direction, it stopped dead. Now a metal batten or hard framed scenery coming down fast is going to hurt if it hits you. No matter how fast it stops, it has already hit. Of course that's true of a manually operated system also, and it won't stop nearly as fast. Both (any) systems require training and diligence on the part of the operator. Someone else mentioned a batten length limit of 42' (12.8 m). That doesn't seem quite right as Hoffend states that with the Vortek aluminum batten you can span up to 20' between lift lines. At that span, with a little overhang at the ends, four lift lines could span over 60' (18.2m) . I seem to recall the standard Vortek winch can handle up to 6 lift lines. That could be a batten over 100' (30 m) long. Someone correct me if my info is wrong. Yet another "someone" mentioned that with a motorized system, one could not do some of the weird rigging we sometimes do with manual CW systems. Thinking over the years and some of the things I have done, I wouldn't have had to do them with a motorized system with the advertised capabilities of the Vortek. For example, I would never have had to rig a carpet hoist for a changing load. I would never have had to reroute or add lift lines to a different arbor to accommodate an unusual shaped set piece or to fly a complete box set as a single unit. With the motorized system, moving two far apart battens as one, or the lack of enough flycrew are no longer obstacles to overcome. I don't know if Vortek is the best system out there, or if I'm really ready yet for a completely motorized system, but even an old rigger like myself is beginning to think that "Good" motorized systems are the future of the business. I guess the biggest danger is if the market starts attracting cheap imitators and our "beloved" bean counters buy those second rate systems. At least when that happened in the early days of computer lighting, the worst that could happen was darkness, frustration, lost time and $$, do a show in work lights. As we all know with rigging, the potential for danger, injury and even loss of life is very real. Caveat emptor! (Hope my Latin spelling is close.) Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Theatre Department 112 FAC West 151 Presidents Drive, Ofc.2 Amherst, Ma. 01003-9331 413-545-6821 voice 413-577-0025 fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:13:59 -0700 Subject: Re: movies of stage sets and a fun story/Katherine Healy Message-ID: <20040714.101408.2424.3.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Dear Richard 'A Very Young Skater' was an inspirational 'coffee table' book for persons such as myself in the Arts community; even though I doubt that was the original intent of the author/photographer who may have thought that were creating a 'picture book' for beginning dancers. Katherine Healy was unknown at the time the pictures were taken. Lynn-Holly Johnson, on the other hand, had a higher profile, and was in movies such as 'Ice Castles' (Skerrit/Benson/Dewhurst) and 'For your Eyes Only' (a James Bond movie, but she was NOT a 'Bond Girl'). It is indeed unfortunate for ice skaters and gymnasts to have such short stints in 'show business' (with exceptions such as Katerina Witt, with her very strong musculature AND business sense), but their competitive careers are strictly prescribed by strength-to-weight ratios, and the product endorsement deals are few, far between, and historically never very lucrative. There are many ballet dancers whose careers are dependant upon the fact that their strict diet and extensive exercise routine has delayed the onset of puberty as much as a decade past what would be a societal average. There are some of us in the medical and legal communities who meet together periodically in an attempt to find ways (legal, medical, or both) to cut down on some of the long term physiological and other damage caused by delaying menarche by so many years. [Prescribing hormones is NOT the answer.] /s/ Richard > But what I'll always remember most was this dancer saying: > "I just fell!" > Si Thank you Richard N for the reminder! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:21:35 -0500 From: "Ann Warren" Subject: Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder Well I thought I would dive in. As a Mother of grade school children I see a lot of the "tween" drama flicks as well as children's movies. I love the shows that have scenes of the local highschool drama club productions in them. While I am quite sure that beyond my realm of experience there are secondary schools with fabulous production values, it has been my experience that most public schools would not be able to pull off the scenery that appears in these productions. Here are some of the play within a movie movies that come to mind. Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen Harriet the Spy - more of a costume piece Pinocchio One that has not been mentioned and is not a children's movie is Being John Malkovich. I don't know if you feel that puppet stages meet your criteria but I thought some of them were quite striking. Strange, I thought I remembered more before I started typing my reply. Kinda like what happens to me when I walk into the music store. The name of every album I am interested in flies outta my head. Ann Warren Shop Foreman/Technical Director Indiana State University Theater ------------------------------ From: "MARK OBRIEN" Subject: Re: winch question Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: This document comes up on my machine as a powerpoint .ppt Can you send it ad a .pdf or something? Mark O'Brien >From: Jerry Durand >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: winch question >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:58:17 -0700 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Ok, I've put a drawing here: http://interstellar.com/temp/Winch.ppt >Hopefully that clears things up a bit. > >---------- >Jerry Durand >Durand Interstellar, Inc. >219 Oak Wood Way >Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA >tel: +1 408 356-3886 >fax: +1 408 356-4659 >web: www.interstellar.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6728517EECE7D511981B00D0B78290310D5EFA99 [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:23:11 -0700 Has anybody mentioned "Dead Poet's Society" with a good bit of "MidSummer Nights Dream" and the lead, Tim Hutton?, as Puck. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714113514.0270b8f8 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:35:41 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References: At 10:33 AM 7/14/2004, you wrote: >This document comes up on my machine as a powerpoint .ppt > >Can you send it ad a .pdf or something? Done, same directory, change file name from .ppt to .pdt in the link. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714113943.026005d8 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:40:56 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References:

At 11:35 AM 7/14/2004, you wrote: >Done, same directory, change file name from .ppt to .pdt in the link. Ok, so I can't type (pdf, not pdt), the link is http://interstellar.com/temp/ , choose the file type you like. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040714113959.01b40ac0 [at] pop.uci.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:43:01 -0700 From: Ron Cargile Subject: FOH magazine Hi All, I'm just wondering if anyone here has successfully unsubscribed from "Front of House" magazines email? I have tried repeatedly to no avail and I'm getting sick of it. ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of CA, Irvine ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <175A160C-D5C7-11D8-B748-003065D2C502 [at] klad.com> From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: a fun story and note Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:53:27 -0400 I always fight my mind which has one speed and my typing fingers which=20= have quite another. Nonetheless, I completely agree. On Jul 14, 2004, at 12:13 PM, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > Students, make a good impression with your resume, make sure you know=20= > the > difference between "principle(s)" (which I hope you have) and=20 > "principal" (roles > and/or jobs that I hope you get) > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Production Designer http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.cell klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2558.129.252.241.105.1089834602.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: winch question From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Now I understand. It's a bulldozer wheel! Here are a few thoughts on what I saw, for what it's worth... 1. The belt would have to be made out of something very strong to be able to keep that cable from pulling out. Yes, after a few wraps friction helps you out, but you always want a good connection. Perhaps a "grommet" of some sort could be used. 2. I can't imagine it would be reasonably priced or easy to get/make a belt like that. 3. If the footprint is that big already, why not just make a bigger drum? -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ok, I've put a drawing > here: http://interstellar.com/temp/Winch.ppt Hopefully that clears > things > up a bit. > > ---------- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > 219 Oak Wood Way > Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886 > fax: +1 408 356-4659 > web: www.interstellar.com > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040714121818.01826f38 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:18:18 From: CB Subject: Re: ISO theatre museum other worthy recipent... >There is an old theatre >in Bayreuth (not the Wagner Opera Haus). Would that be the Residenz Theatre? AKA Cuvillies Theater? Yeah, that is a great and beautiful house. Designed for Max Josef, taken apart and hidden in '44 (IIRC) and reconstructed after the war. My brother and I were given a personal tour of the place by a little old man who worked on both the salvation and the reconstruction, and worked in the theatre before and since. It was great, he knew no english but made sure that we understod him while he explained. Beautiful rococo style, lots of faux and Trompe-L�Oeil. My favorite story was the reconstruction crew needing to match the color and style of the fabric used on the walls. They called the manufacturer in France, who was still in operation (the original Theatre was built in the middle of the 18th century...) and they still had the invoice from the original. And the material. In stock. In their current catalog. Try and get that kind of service here in the US! "Hey, just about the turn of the century I bought... no, 19th century, yeah... oh... well, thanks anyways." Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714122203.026c0b78 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:23:43 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References:

At 12:50 PM 7/14/2004, you wrote: >3. If the footprint is that big already, why not just make a bigger drum? Minimum side to side spacing was the goal. As for belt strength, I had sent this to the Show Control list: I don't know the details either, but belts are unbelievably strong now. Belts are used for everything from timing chains on cars to motorcycle drive belts to hauling large chunks of granite over long distances. For this last one, see http://interstellar.com/photos/Fireworks_July_3-4_2004/July_4_2004/BIG_Truck.JPG , the belt behind the truck (note scale of truck to our cars parked next to it) hauls a LOT of granite a mile or more uphill from the quarry to the mill. It lasts a long time but does get replaced occasionally. That is a rubber-type belt with steel cords (I don't know the details, but it's tough). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000e01c469dc$ba7be5a0$176e1745 [at] Spankythelovemachine> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Heat survey Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:57:01 -0500 Of these shops, how many are open in the > summer months? This shop is only open during summer . How hot and humid does it get in the shop during the peak > of summer heat? We have had a mild summer but it can get rather hot and hummid, to the point where you are coverd in sweat from cutting wood with the miter saw. > Do any of you have AC or swamp coolers? Nope > Do you mainly do metal work, wood, or both? >Wood this year but when it is called for we are able to work with metal > Do you have a dust collection system? Only if you count a broom as one Mike ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040714145754.13f35d18 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:00:27 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References:

How about attaching the end of the lift line to the side of a roller chain rather than a belt? This would separate two functions--securing the end of the line and guiding the line onto the extended drum. Mike Brubaker At 02:23 PM 7/14/2004, Jerry Durand wrote: As for belt strength... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00e701c469de$e02788c0$0500000a [at] anneb> From: "Andrew Vance" References: Subject: Re: Heat survey Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:11:47 -0500 Eric =3D> While not directly connected to our scene shop, I do have a second = office in their building and do have some first hand knowledge. > Of these shops, how many are open in the summer months? How hot and = humid does it get in the shop during the peak > of summer heat? Mine is open year-round, though summer months tend to be lighter than = during the season proper. In the heat & humidity of July and August, = temperatures can rise to the 80s & 90s on the floor. The metal roof and = lack of AC [see below] tend not to help that situation very much. > Do any of you have AC or swamp coolers? Our shop does not have AC. Its located in an old taxi station, so there = are multiple garage doors that can be opened to provide ventilation and = several large air movers to help the breeze through. But again, metal = roof and lots of sun isn't exactly the best combination. > Do you mainly do metal work, wood, or both? Wood mostly. Some metal if the design demands it. Generally its been a = budget/labor constraint [or so I'm told]. > Do you have a dust collection system? If you count the carpenters who sweep up at the end of the day, then = yes. I know its been something that the shop has been trying to get for = awhile now but always to no avail. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer/Supervisor Omaha Theatre Company/Omaha Theatre Ballet andrewv [at] otcmail.org 402-345-9718 x139 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714132116.02790770 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:27:24 -0700 Cc: Show-Control [at] yahoogroups.com From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Re: winch question In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.1.20040714160843.01c6e558 [at] localhost> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714092232.026feb18 [at] localhost> <008901c469c2$033fa0d0$1225a8c0 [at] kittycat> <6.1.2.0.0.20040714101215.026ff410 [at] localhost> <6.1.1.1.2.20040714102059.0312f660 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> <6.1.2.0.0.20040714110928.026d6538 [at] localhost> <6.1.2.0.1.20040714160843.01c6e558 [at] localhost> At 01:11 PM 7/14/2004, you wrote: >At 14:24 7/14/2004, you wrote: >why not use a flat belt instead of a round cable? just wind the belt around >a belt width drum. This does make it initially slower when the spool is >small but if that is ok ... Of course the belt is visually fatter unless >viewed edgewise. There is that, you could use a thin Kevlar tape running from the winch drum up to the grid where it could switch to a steel cable to go through the pulleys up there. Then you'd only need a narrow but large diameter drum to wind the Kevlar tape. If you started with a large hub diameter, then the diameter of the stack of tape wouldn't change all that much (as a ratio) from empty to full. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: plays as scenes in movies thread Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:47:31 -0400 Late at night I've caught parts of a pretty wonderful "Magic Flute" that may even be Bergman. Never managed to see the whole thing but it seems to end as theatrical production. " No Way to Treat A Lady" has a neat chase scene in a theatre. "42nd Street", "All That Jazz", "The Night They Raided Minsky's", backstage at the Oscars in "Naked Gun II", Olivier's "Henry V" starts and ends as a period stage piece and the music hall scene in "Oh What A Lovely War." Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040714212336.49256.qmail [at] web50502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: James Kosmatka Subject: Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder In-Reply-To: If I remember correctly, Rushmore had very elaborate sets for, I think, two fictional plays (written by Jason Schwartzman's character). The film takes place at a prep school, however, not a professional theater. -james ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040714162347.14001880 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:25:38 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Re: winch question Cc: Show-Control [at] yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714092232.026feb18 [at] localhost> <008901c469c2$033fa0d0$1225a8c0 [at] kittycat> <6.1.2.0.0.20040714101215.026ff410 [at] localhost> <6.1.1.1.2.20040714102059.0312f660 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> <6.1.2.0.0.20040714110928.026d6538 [at] localhost> <6.1.2.0.1.20040714160843.01c6e558 [at] localhost> What happens in a fire? Wire rope would take more heat before it melts and separates than either a fabric belt or kevlar, right? Mike At 03:27 PM 7/14/2004, Jerry Durand wrote: >>a belt width drum. This does make it initially slower when the spool is >>small but if that is ok ... Of course the belt is visually fatter unless >>viewed edgewise. > > >There is that, you could use a thin Kevlar tape running from the winch >drum up to the grid where it could switch to a steel cable to go through >the pulleys up there. Then you'd only need a narrow but large diameter >drum to wind the Kevlar tape. If ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714143001.02795200 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:32:41 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714092232.026feb18 [at] localhost> <008901c469c2$033fa0d0$1225a8c0 [at] kittycat> <6.1.2.0.0.20040714101215.026ff410 [at] localhost> <6.1.1.1.2.20040714102059.0312f660 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> <6.1.2.0.0.20040714110928.026d6538 [at] localhost> <6.1.2.0.1.20040714160843.01c6e558 [at] localhost>

At 02:25 PM 7/14/2004, you wrote: >What happens in a fire? Wire rope would take more heat before it melts >and separates than either a fabric belt or kevlar, right? > >Mike Run? :) Ok, so I forgot the fire aspect. I guess you'd need a speed-brake on the lines at the steel point. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.26e44a9a.2e2702ec [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:43:08 EDT Subject: Re: movies of stage sets and a fun story/Katherine Healy Cc: ladesigners [at] juno.com In a message dated 7/14/4 12:47:31 PM, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: <> AMEN!!! This comes up in the pageant industry too. Solution is simple... The Powers That Be need to stop hiring/rewarding waifs. So long as the thin girl gets preference over the healthy one, scrawny will continue to be "in". Beyond that... I'd like to see air brushing of ads banned as false/deceptive advertising. That alone would change people's perceptions quickly! I've only puchased one issue of Glamour magazine in my life... the recent one with Queen Latifa on the cover. Had to suport them using a real sized woman! And I won't believe any BS about "you can't get a pretty face in print without it!" The makeup artist I do most of my training with, Robert Jones, published a book titled "Beaute' Made Simple" with real women in it - every size, age and skin tone - and no air brushing. Before and after shots along with instructions on how to create the glamour(magic!). I personally know many of them as several are Mary Kay consultants, directors, or their daughters. Saw the Milwaukee Ballet do Swan Lake and it was PAINFUL to see Odette - she was sooooo thin. I sat there thinking "Give the poor girl a cracker before she passes out!" Worked with Franchesca Harper who's on tour with "The Producers" and danced as a principal ballerina in Frankfurt, Germany. She was too "big" to work with a USA ballet troupe. Gorgeous African-American woman, in great physical shape. She found a choreographer who liked her shape and she traveled around the globe to work with him. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002e01c469f0$a3a8c230$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:19:30 -0700 > If I remember correctly, Rushmore had very elaborate > sets for, I think, two fictional plays (written by > Jason Schwartzman's character). > > The film takes place at a prep school, however, not a > professional theater. > I just re-watched that film the other night - I like it a lot - and the last play they show are at the local public school (after he gets kicked out of the prep school). I never caught the name of the first play, the second was "Serpico," the next one wasn't named, and the third one was "Heaven and Hell." The production values of "H&H" are remarkable - performed in a gymnatorium, but a LOT of pyro and hokey rigging. I love how he provides the audience with noise-cancelling earphones and safety glasses. But again, these plays don't fit Richard's criteria of pieces he's chronicling. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003901c469f1$2cd7c6f0$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: movies of stage sets -- reminder Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:23:22 -0700 ...make that "...last play they show IS..." Really, I are edumakated.... I learned my grammar well. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative "Writer, edit thyself." ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200407142243.i6EMhn54023323 [at] gryphon.auspice.net> Subject: OT: Demountable Hinges Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:43:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Larson" at Jul 13, 2004 04:25:59 PM From: James Feinberg In the spirit of "you can find someone on this list who knows the answer to just about any question imaginable:" I'm updating my kitchen, and would like to replace the cabinet hinges. When I took them off, I discovered a new (to me) kind of hinge: demountable. There's a picture at http://www.dlawlesshardware.com/anenfansemhi.html The darker portion is a threaded insert that goes into a T slot in the door. It also comes as a double-demountable, where there's a second T slot in the cabinet frame. Hardwarefriends.com describes them this way: Demountable hinges come in single and double varieties. The single demountables, demount from the cabinet door only (this requires a special slot be cut into the door for new installations) and screw directly to the edge of the face frame. The double demountables demount from both the door and the frame (and both require machining for new installations). So now I'm trying to find replacement hinges in a satin nickel finish with the right offset (3/8") for my doors, preferably self-closing. I've been through Google, searcing for "demountable cabinet hinge," where I found several suppliers in antique brass, but none in nickel. If you have a favorite place to shop for obscure hardware, I'd love to hear about it and give them a try! Many thanks, --James Feinberg Production Manager, Theatre Arts Program University of San Diego ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15f.31f30378.2e270f69 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:36:25 EDT Subject: Re: winch question OK. Now I get it. It's a nice idea but the belt is the weak link in this system. I can't quote the ESTA proposed standard for motorized rigging because it is not a real standard yet. It's going through the process. But I don't think the belt is gonna fly. How does the wire rope attach to the belt? Adding an overspeed brake will help but it doesn't solve the problem. Gotta find a different way to drive the thing Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040714224437.94554.qmail [at] web20825.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Hood Subject: Re: movies w/ opera scenes In-Reply-To: What about "Pretty Woman" with the scenes where they fly up to San Francisco Opera? I can't remember what they see... Uh, how 'bout the movie "Chicago"? Or, was that one already mentioned? Two others come to mind: Beaches White Christmas Two of my wife's favorite flicks... not in any particular order... Slainte, y'all, Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040714174743.13ffa5d0 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:50:40 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References: Instead of a rubber or similar material belt, go back to someone's comment--maybe a jointed steel tread much like you might find on, say, a bull dozer or tank. The tread only carries weight where it is supported by the drum undneath. If there is a separate drive for the second drum, now the tread only becomes a guide to keep the wire rope straight. Would that work? Mike At 05:36 PM 7/14/2004, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: >OK. Now I get it. It's a nice idea but the belt is the weak link in this >system. I can't quote the ESTA proposed standard for motorized rigging ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: <154.39bfdd19.2e25bd5f [at] aol.com> References: <154.39bfdd19.2e25bd5f [at] aol.com> Message-Id: <47CC660C-D5F0-11D8-9382-000A95823EDA [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com> From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Drottningholm candles Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:48:18 -0700 Cc: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com On Jul 13, 2004, at 3:34 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > It has electric candles that don't "blink", they flicker, that is, = the=A0 > "flame" moves.=A0 So, out of the corner of your eye you see the = moving=A0 > candle flame!=A0 Very convincing. > > They are probably real candles. We, in Europe, are less neurotic=20 > about naked flames on stage than you are in the US. I have seen them=20= > in London (ENO and Covent Garden), Glyndebourne, Paris (Bastille and=20= > Chatelet), Toulouse, Bordeaux, and Bayreuth. > > Provided that proper fire precautions are in place, they are not=20 > hazardous, more than many other things we do. > > Forward this to the list if you like: I still have an AOL 7.0=20 > syndrome. To which I reply: Frank I'm not going to get in to the whole "Europe is better" debate=20 with you (and I'm even a Franco-, Anglo-, Italio-, Dutcho- {etc.}=20 phile). But I was speaking of the *electric candles* used for stage=20 illumination (yes, really) and in the chandeliers and the wall sconces=20= throughout the wooden and paper mache UNESCO World heritage site (not=20 the odd "one-child-singing-with-candle-down-stage-center"). "Because of the possible fire hazard in the wooden building, the=20= theatre uses electric lights, designed to flicker like candles." = "There was also machinery for lightening and darkening the stage = by raising and lowering the footlights, etc. This machinery is = still=20 used, although the original candles have sadly or not so sadly been = replaced=20 by flickering electric lamps. There are 204 lights in 102 = lampholders--I think this is only for the stage." (taken from Ture Rangstrom's article on stage machinery, pp. = 87-103 in=20 the book: Gustavian Opera: An Interdisciplinary Reader in Swedish Opera, = Dance,=20 and Theatre 1771 -1809.) I think these were the ones (I think they may have been designed for=20 Drottningholm): Oh, and it was in one film (at least): Ingmar Bergman's 1975 film of The Magic Flute Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING 547 Green Street San Francisco, CA 94133-3905 (415) 397-8776 phone/fax http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com mailto:Paul [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: plays as scenes in movies Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:05:59 -0700 How about "An Awfully Big Adventure" with Alan Rickman playing (an actor, playing) Captain Hook! And Hugh Grant as a very bad director. Or (one of my personal, all time favorites) "The Tall Guy" with Jeff Goldblum in the musical of the Elephant Man, called Elephant! Or Chevy Chase in "Foul Play" trying to stop an assassination during a performance of The Mikado in the San Francisco Opera House. Or the scene of ABT's "Sleeping Beauty" (pretending to be the Moscow Ballet) in "Little Nikita" with River Phoenix. Or, OH man, I am such a geek! Paul Puppo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:16:42 -0400 Subject: Re: movies w/ opera scenes From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: La Traviata on 7/14/04 6:44 PM, Steven Hood at hoodnik77 [at] yahoo.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What about "Pretty Woman" with the scenes where they > fly up to San Francisco Opera? I can't remember what > they see... > > Uh, how 'bout the movie "Chicago"? Or, was that one > already mentioned? > Two others come to mind: > Beaches > White Christmas > > Two of my wife's favorite flicks... not in any > particular order... > > Slainte, y'all, > Steven > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <40F5CECE.5020807 [at] icdc.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:24:46 -0400 From: JT Organization: Sorely Lacking Subject: Lightronics Board Info, please My friends, A community theatre in which I sometimes play is planning to replace the present Very Old Light Board with a Lightronics TL-2448 Lighting Controller, purchased new. I'm told it's a 2scene (24x2 or 48x1) board that can be run manually or accept a cue stack (w/ GO button) and it has a minimal capability to handle a few moving lights. Sounds like it might be a good choice. I wasn't in on the deal, but said I would inquire for tribal wisdom on the matter. Anyone with experience of this product (or similar Lightronics equip) is invited to relate the details, however pleasant or gruesome. Need info on ease of use, unusual care and feeding requirements, ability to be used by novices (and actors), quirks, benefits, and general demeanor. Respond on-list or off as it suits. Many thanks for your help, and a tip of the LD's hat to anyone who labors in a 100 seat black box with an inventory of 35 instruments. Been there...keep going back...don't know why. Peace. Jim Taylor Acoustic Light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: movies w/ opera scenes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK since you brought it up, a few of my favorites... Two Jeanette MacDonald films come to mind: San Francisco (1936) - she's a dance hall girl that becomes an big Diva just before the big Earthquake. It includes quite a long section of her as Marguerite in FAUST, hokey but probably not a bad approximation of period style with painted drops and all: http://imdb.com/title/tt0028216/ Rose-Marie (1936) - she's an opera singer in Montreal, I think there may be several opera scenes, but definitely an excerpt from Gounod's ROMEO ET JULIETTE: http://imdb.com/title/tt0028207/ Another fun one, with a little twist on this topic: Bluebeard (1944) - With John Carradine as the famous murderer. There is a nice performance of FAUST with Puppets in 19th century Paris: http://imdb.com/title/tt0036653/ Also - The Age of Innocence (1993) by Martin Scorcese has an opera performance at our Academy of Music here in Philadelphia (although it's supposed to be 19th century New York IIRC). Can't quite remember but think it's also Faust: http://imdb.com/title/tt0106226/ I find these all interesting in that they show just how popular FAUST used to be. Another more recent one with lots of very nicely done opera (which us insiders should get a real laugh from as it perfectly nails the "operatic temperament ;-) The Man Who Cried (2000) with Johnny Depp and others. It centers around a small touring opera company during the Nazi occupation of Paris. Lots of very funny scenes from all the standard repertory, with a producer that insists on using a horse-riding gypsy (Depp) in every show. It comes to a head when the horse takes a dump onstage during Cavaradossi's big aria. The film uses the melody from Nadir's haunting "Pearl Fishers" aria as a theme song: http://imdb.com/title/tt0206917/ Did someone already mention Foul Play (1978) with Goldie Hawn where they chase around backstage during The Mikado, reminiscent of the Marx Brothers a Night at the Opera? http://imdb.com/title/tt0077578/plotsummary And how about the alien diva that sings the mad scene from Lucia di Lammermoor in The Fifth Element (1998) with Bruce Willis? http://imdb.com/title/tt0377917/ This one holds a special meaning for me; my director friend and I used to argue about Lucia because she thought it was silly and trite, then last year she had a chance to do it and suddenly thought it was wonderful. When I asked her what changed her mind she said it was this alien, after I got her to watch The Fifth Element! I know somebody already mentioned Night at the Opera (1935) from the Marx Brothers http://imdb.com/title/tt0026778/, it ends with a brilliant backstage chase during Il Trovatore. Awhile ago I saw an interview with Kitty Carlisle Hart who plays the young opera singer Rosa Castaldi. The director got her to play the part by promising her a chance to sing Leonora on screen. She didn't know anything about the Marx Brothers and thought this was going to be her big break, with no clue that she was really the "straight guy" to their antics. She continued... when it was time to do the opera scenes they played back a recording of Trovatore but someone else was singing Leonora. She stopped the rehearsal and asked why they weren't using the recording she had done. The director told her not to worry about it, to just do the scene. But she threw a fit and refused to continue, then locked herself in her dressing room and called her agent. Eventually they played her recording and coaxed her out. But the fascinating thing about that whole interview was that she still seemed baffled by the whole experience (she was quite old at the time of the interview) and you wondered whether she ever really "got it". As long as I'm rambling at such length here.... I met her maybe 25 years ago when she was the head of the NY State Council on the Arts. She visited our scene shop at Syracuse Opera where I was the designer/TD. We were in a rather run down old school building, but it worked well for us and had space to build, paint and also rehearse on the sets. Well she and some other big wigs (Al D'Amato I think) were very impressed with all this, probably just returning from some cocktail party. I was introduced to her and she said something to the effect "this is such a fabulous facility, even the Met doesn't have anything like this!" So I was trying to be nice, and modest and replied, "well I don't think we're quite like the Met". She looked me straight in the eye and sternly said: "Young man, I have WORKED at the Met, and I can ASSURE you that they do NOT have ANYTHING like this." Sure put me back in my place ;-) Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <68.416dac2e.2e273bbc [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:45:32 EDT Subject: Re: winch question In a message dated 7/14/04 6:51:54 PM, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: << Instead of a rubber or similar material belt, go back to someone's comment--maybe a jointed steel tread much like you might find on, say, a bull dozer or tank. The tread only carries weight where it is supported by the drum undneath. If there is a separate drive for the second drum, now the tread only becomes a guide to keep the wire rope straight. Would that work? >> Maybe. But it would be really loud. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040714191405.00aeeae8 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:15:53 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: winch question In-Reply-To: References: At 06:45 PM 7/14/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/14/04 6:51:54 PM, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: > ><< Instead of a rubber or similar material belt, go back to someone's >comment--maybe a jointed steel tread much like you might find on, say, a >bull dozer or tank. The tread only carries weight where it is supported by >the drum undneath. If there is a separate drive for the second drum, now >the tread only becomes a guide to keep the wire rope straight. > >Would that work? >> > >Maybe. But it would be really loud. Ok, so we're back to a multi-line block and tackle arrangement with a roller chain going down to a sprocket on the floor. :) ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com pgp: 45A2 0A52 1D56 70C2 B865 9D5C 83F2 2112 04CE 2B54 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002b01c46a19$4811a8a0$176e1745 [at] Spankythelovemachine> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Cad help Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:10:26 -0500 I'm trying to teach myself ato cad and have a quick question. The book that I am useing to guide myself has not mentioned anything about adding thickness to lines so they would represent stock lumber sizes, how would one go about this? Thanks for any advice. Mike ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #71 ****************************