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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #72

 1. Re: Cad help 
    by "Michael Banvard" <mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 2. Re: Heat survey
    by "Terry L. Price" <tprice [at] tlu.edu>
 3. Interstellar Winch Design
    by "White, Brian" <BWHITE [at] CSBSJU.EDU>
 4. man with a van needed in NYC
    by "Scott C. Parker" <stagecraftlist [at] hstech.org>
 5. Question about Vendors/Dealers
    by "Terry L. Price" <tprice [at] tlu.edu>
 6. Looking for a cable sheave
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
 7. Re: Looking for a cable sheave
    by Bsapsis [at] aol.com
 8. Re: beating a dead winch...
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 9. Re: movies of stage sets
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
10. Re: beating a dead winch...
    by "MARK OBRIEN" <omark4 [at] msn.com>
11. Re: movies of stage sets
    by "Robert G. Anderson" <rganderson [at] nctv.com>
12. Re: movies w/ opera scenes
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
13. Stacker Lifts
    by "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
14. Re: Heat survey
    by "Clare Adams" <cadams [at] csf.edu>
15. Re: beating a dead winch...
    by Bsapsis [at] aol.com
16. Re: beating a dead winch...
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
17. theater, opera, ballet in film
    by "Margaret Petrey" <mpetrey [at] centerstage.org>
18. Re: Stacker Lifts
    by "Chad Croteau" <cpcroteau [at] kelcom.igs.net>

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From: "Michael Banvard" <mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Subject: Re: Cad help 
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:50:57 -0500
Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest
Message-ID: <000d01c46a62$00ef7990$6501a8c0 [at] Gelert>
In-Reply-To: <list-3890656 [at] prxy.net>

I'm sure that others will correct me if I recall incorrectly, but using
line thickness is not an efficient way to represent lumber sizes, or
anything with a "real" thickness.

Using line thickness is only for visual clarity.  If you draft a butt
joint with two thick lines, trying to represent two pieces of lumber,
any dimensioning you try to do will be restricted to the end of each
line, as the computer sees it, which is a two dimensional object.

Create rectangles (2D) and boxes (3D) with the correct dimensions, and
use them as Blocks (Objects in VW).  Make a library of them, so that you
can refer to a "2x4x12" and "pull it out of stock.

Good luck,
- Michael.

Michael J. Banvard
SRI Midwest
Saint Louis, Missouri
(866) 773-1174
(314) 629-3644
(314) 773-1174 fax
http://www.sapsis-rigging.com



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Subject: Re: Heat survey
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:46:57 -0500
Message-ID: <C23A926E13B6214CB39F106F3936609434F4ED [at] tluexc.tlu.edu>
From: "Terry L. Price" <tprice [at] tlu.edu>

I am at Texas Lutheran University just east of San Antonio and down the road from Hell so it gets very hot during the summer. It is not unusual to have several days/weeks of 98+ temps with high humidity during the summer. We do not operate during the summer season; we usually begin operations with a boot camp for majors around mid-August. We have been trying to get some kind of cooling system since I arrived from the NC mountains - cold mountain streams, cool nights, warm days mid-80's. Now that's living, oh well - on to your questions.

<Do any of you have AC or swamp coolers? >
We do not have AC or any form of cooling system.

<Do you mainly do metal work, wood, or both? >
We do not do metal work, yet. I am dreading the transition.

<Do you have a dust collection system? >
None, except for noses and lungs - they do help clear the air somewhat.

Hope this helps. It certainly helped me to vent a bit.

--
Terry Price
Department of Dramatic Media
Texas Lutheran University
1000 West Court Street
CPO #268
Seguin, TX 78155
(830) 372-8191


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Subject: Interstellar Winch Design
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:57:14 -0500
Message-ID: <0B9945FBD68EFC4FA0374DF4201B0C56C45052 [at] EMPMAIL.ad.csbsju.edu>
From: "White, Brian" <BWHITE [at] CSBSJU.EDU>


<< Instead of a rubber or similar material belt, go back to someone's
>comment--maybe a jointed steel tread much like you might find on, say,
a
>bull dozer or tank.  The tread only carries weight where it is
supported by
>the drum undneath.  If there is a separate drive for the second drum,
now
>the tread only becomes a guide to keep the wire rope straight.
>
>Would that work? >>
>
>Maybe.  But it would be really loud.

Why couldn't it be a steel tread with a rubberized coating?  =20


Brian K. White=20
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Benedicta Art Center=20
College of Saint Benedict=20
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St. Joseph MN,  56374
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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040715090849.01fe9c78 [at] mail.hstech.org>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:15:39 -0400
From: "Scott C. Parker" <stagecraftlist [at] hstech.org>
Subject: man with a van needed in NYC
In-Reply-To: <list-3893189 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-3893189 [at] prxy.net>

I have to move my office/tools from mid-Brooklyn to downtown Manhattan and 
I'm looking for a reliable person/mover. Anyone have a good personal 
recommendation to share?
I'm happy to use off duty crew if they have access to a van or small truck. 
The catch is that it's easiest to unload after 6pm.
Please contact me off-list.

Thanks, Scott

         Scott C. Parker
         Production Designer/Technical Director
         High School Tech Production Web Site
         hstech~AT~hstech.org

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Subject: Question about Vendors/Dealers
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:50:51 -0500
Message-ID: <C23A926E13B6214CB39F106F3936609434F4EE [at] tluexc.tlu.edu>
From: "Terry L. Price" <tprice [at] tlu.edu>

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Message-ID: <20040715155249.32365.qmail [at] web81710.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:52:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Looking for a cable sheave
In-Reply-To: <list-3893334 [at] prxy.net>

Can anyone suggest a supplier for sheaves for
electrical cable? I need something for speaker cables
to run over for a movable speaker cluster. I've looked
in McMaster-Carr, and haven't found anything
specifically for electrical cables. Any suggestions
are appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike H

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From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <6b.2e414828.2e280497 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:02:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Looking for a cable sheave


In a message dated 7/15/04 11:58:57 AM, mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net writes:

<< Can anyone suggest a supplier for sheaves for
electrical cable? I need something for speaker cables
to run over for a movable speaker cluster. I've looked
in McMaster-Carr, and haven't found anything
specifically for electrical cables. Any suggestions
are appreciated. >>

We have a Nylatron sheave grooved for 3/4" rope.  It's commonly used for this 
purpose.

Zat help?
Bill S.

Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851 fax
267.278.4561 mobile
We stand behind, and under, our work.
                             


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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040715091851.00b243d8 [at] localhost>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:24:46 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: beating a dead winch...

One last (I hope) thought popped into my head on the narrow winch 
idea.  Use a stack-up pulley with a steel tape instead of the Kevlar tape 
(like a big tape measure).  Rolls up on a very narrow drum, the diameter of 
the roll doesn't change a lot from empty to full (if you start with a 
decent hub diameter), the tape doesn't burn or melt easily (might be 
somewhat more sensitive to fire than a cable due to its thinness), is 
cheap, doesn't stretch, is reasonably safe (round sharp edges), and can 
have long flex life.  You would have to worry about single point of failure 
with a tape, I guess you could use two tapes side by side on a double 
roller, it still wouldn't have to be very wide.

----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523  USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
fax:  +1 408 356-4659
web:  www.interstellar.com
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Subject: Re: movies of stage sets
Message-ID: <OF7A3A092D.2CD65DAA-ON85256ED2.0058FCA8-85256ED2.005B14ED [at] sarasotagov.com>
From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:34:51 -0400


Re Pauls' message:

From: Paul Puppo <paul [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com>
Subject: Re: plays as scenes in moviesPaul:

Paul:

Thanks for mentioning "Magic Flute" never caught enough to make sure it was
Bergman before but I'll start looking for it now. I agree about "The Tall
Guy", one of my favorites too.

How did we all forget  "Noises Off"? "To Be or Not to Be".

Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.



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From: "MARK OBRIEN" <omark4 [at] msn.com>
Subject: Re: beating a dead winch...
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:41:50 -0700
Message-ID: <BAY3-F4qjcLUEQ9y33r00183203 [at] hotmail.com>

It seems like this winch is starting to look like a horse designed by 
comitee, or the OSHA cowboy.



Mark O'Brien





>From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Re: beating a dead winch...
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:24:46 -0700
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>One last (I hope) thought popped into my head on the narrow winch idea.  
>Use a stack-up pulley with a steel tape instead of the Kevlar tape (like a 
>big tape measure).  Rolls up on a very narrow drum, the diameter of the 
>roll doesn't change a lot from empty to full (if you start with a decent 
>hub diameter), the tape doesn't burn or melt easily (might be somewhat more 
>sensitive to fire than a cable due to its thinness), is cheap, doesn't 
>stretch, is reasonably safe (round sharp edges), and can have long flex 
>life.  You would have to worry about single point of failure with a tape, I 
>guess you could use two tapes side by side on a double roller, it still 
>wouldn't have to be very wide.
>
>----------
>Jerry Durand
>Durand Interstellar, Inc.
>219 Oak Wood Way
>Los Gatos, California 95032-2523  USA
>tel:  +1 408 356-3886
>fax:  +1 408 356-4659
>web:  www.interstellar.com
>pgp:  45A2 0A52 1D56 70C2 B865 9D5C 83F2 2112 04CE 2B54
>
>

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Message-ID: <008701c46a8e$0ee363a0$61b2a80c [at] 0016599365>
From: "Robert G. Anderson" <rganderson [at] nctv.com>
References: <list-3894462 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: movies of stage sets
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:06:21 -0500

I remember (though not in enough detail to come up with the actual movie
title) a movie biography of Gilbert and Sullivan which included lots of
shots of period sets for their operettas...'Zat count?

Bob Anderson
Starkville Community Theatre



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Message-ID: <6728517EECE7D511981B00D0B78290310D5EFCFB [at] az33exm27.corp.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: Re: movies w/ opera scenes
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:53:31 -0700

Virtually all of the Mario Lanza movies.


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From: "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
Subject: Stacker Lifts
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:43:41 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-3895403 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000003895673 [at] prxy.net>

If a pallet jack and a forklift had a baby, it would be a stacker lift.  Has
anyone had used these before?  I have 10' storage and would like to put in
three shelves of pallet-stored furniture, but I don't want my students
driving around in forklifts.  The stacker lift seems like a good solution.
But I've never even heard of them until I was window shopping in the
Grainger catalogue.

Thanks for your wisdom,
\<
Kevin Patrick
Theatre.colstate.edu

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From: "Clare Adams" <cadams [at] csf.edu>
Subject: Re: Heat survey
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:01:03 -0600
Message-ID: <JFEGKIFELCDHPMEJFLFAGEBBCOAA.cadams [at] csf.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-3885811 [at] prxy.net>

  Of these shops, how many are open in the
> summer months?


We operate in the summer.

How hot and humid does it get in the shop during the peak
> of summer heat?
>

Here in Santa Fe, we have very low humidity, but it can, and does get hot.
Our hottest day so far this summer has been about 95 degrees.


> Do any of you have AC or swamp coolers?

Not in the scene shop, but we do on stage, where we do most of our work.
Our shop is too small to completely build the sets in.

>
> Do you mainly do metal work, wood, or both?

Mostly wood, but some metal.


>
> Do you have a dust collection system?

Same as the others I've read:  brooms and dustpans, except for our compound
mitre box, which does have a collector attached.

Best of luck on this!

Clare Adams
Lighting Designer/Technical Director
Performing Arts Department
College of Santa Fe
1600 St. Michael's Drive
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505-473-6155
cadams [at] csf.edu



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From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <9f.4a17b07e.2e283f9e [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:14:22 EDT
Subject: Re: beating a dead winch...


In a message dated 7/15/04 12:46:43 PM, omark4 [at] msn.com writes:

<< 
It seems like this winch is starting to look like a horse designed by 
comitee, or the OSHA cowboy. >>

That may be, but that's the beauty of this list.  We sit around and mess 
around with something like this and someday, just maybe, we actually come up with 
something really cool.  In the meantime, it's fun to speculate, ya know?  the 
thing I miss is the ability to sit around a bar with y'all and have a beer 
while we jawin'

Bill S.

Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851 fax
267.278.4561 mobile
We stand behind, and under, our work.
                             


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <f5.3df36e0a.2e2843f5 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:32:53 EDT
Subject: Re: beating a dead winch...


In a message dated 7/15/04 1:20:06 PM, Bsapsis [at] aol.com writes:

<< 
That may be, but that's the beauty of this list.  We sit around and mess 
around with something like this and someday, just maybe, we actually come up 
with 
something really cool.  In the meantime, it's fun to speculate, ya know?  the 
thing I miss is the ability to sit around a bar with y'all and have a beer 
while we jawin'

Bill S. >>



hummmmmm   could the list "collectively'  patent something?

maybe everyone who participates on the list should sign off  on some sort of 
disclaimer

saying that anything suggested on the list is "public domain" 

what would be the ramifications if we all collectively came up with a great 
idea and then someone "ran with it" into production?

just thinking, , , , 

damn, , I really have better things to do, , 


very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

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Subject: theater, opera, ballet in film
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:51:00 -0400
Message-ID: <28DE83D0E330374D9135EC927B2DF14C363DEE [at] csmail1.centerstage.org>
From: "Margaret Petrey" <mpetrey [at] centerstage.org>

How about The Untouchables?  Robert DeNiro as Al Capone at the opera -- =
the clown's famous aria - name of which escapes me right now.  When Sean =
Connery's being stalked and shot at by the Mafioso. . .Pretty cool drop, =
if I remember correctly.

=20

Others, but not sure of scenic interest:

=20

Pretty Woman - at the opera ("these are broken . . . mine are broken" - =
can't figure out how to use the opera glasses.)

=20

Also, lots of Gilbert & Sullivan pops up in film. Topsy Turvy - about =
G&S.

=20

An Affair to Remember - Deborah Kerr and Cary Grant at the theater - =
after the accident.=20

=20

=20

--------------------------------

=20

Margaret Petrey Smith

long-time lurker

[who just figured out last week that I haven't gotten the digest in =
about 2 months! umm . . .slightly busy at work.  ;-) ]


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Message-ID: <002501c46ac7$1b60ee70$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun>
From: "Chad Croteau" <cpcroteau [at] kelcom.igs.net>
References: <list-3895675 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Stacker Lifts
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:54:45 -0400

Hello.

One of the larger community theatre companies in my area has one of these
machines for doing exactly what you want to do.  They store their furniture
and large props/set pieces (horse carriages, wagons, etc) in overhead
storage and use a stacker lift to take them out of storage when necesary.
It's a good deal because no one needs a forklift license to use it, it
requires no power (uses a hand winch) and is very stable.  They've even
found alternate uses for it (such as melting a wicked witch...)  This one
goes a max. height of 10 feet.  I don't know if there are any built higher,
but there it is...

Hope this helps,

Chad

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Stacker Lifts


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> If a pallet jack and a forklift had a baby, it would be a stacker lift.
Has
> anyone had used these before?  I have 10' storage and would like to put in
> three shelves of pallet-stored furniture, but I don't want my students
> driving around in forklifts.  The stacker lift seems like a good solution.
> But I've never even heard of them until I was window shopping in the
> Grainger catalogue.
>
> Thanks for your wisdom,
> \<
> Kevin Patrick
> Theatre.colstate.edu
>
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