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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #79

 1. New subject - Fog
    by "Peter Kiely" <Peter.Kiely [at] telkomsa.net>
 2. Re: New subject - Fog
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
 3. Was sheet good dimensions
    by "Steve" <sschepker [at] charter.net>
 4. Re: 4x8
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 5. DSF 1500W lamps
    by Shawn Palmer <shawnp [at] northnet.net>
 6. Re: Speaking of storage
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
 7. Re: Speaking of storage
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 8. Gobo Storage
    by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
 9. Re: Gobo Storage
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
10. speaker slings
    by "Adam Berns" <ab [at] adamb.com>
11. Re: movies of stage sets
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
12. Re: speaker slings
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
13. Re: speaker slings
    by Bsapsis [at] aol.com
14. tour posting
    by Sunil Rajan <squeakypig [at] earthlink.net>
15. Re: New subject - Fog
    by "Mike Rock" <rockm [at] new.rr.com>
16. Used Wenger Acoustic Shell for sale
    by "Muller, David" <dmuller [at] arts.ucla.edu>
17. Wenger 4' x 4' platform for sale (OT)
    by Dave Reynolds <reynolds [at] Macalester.edu>
18. Vietnamese student interested in design
    by Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
19. Re: Gobo Storage
    by Dorian Kelly <dorian [at] essex.ac.uk>

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From: "Peter Kiely" <Peter.Kiely [at] telkomsa.net>
Subject: New subject - Fog
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:11:16 +0200
Message-ID: <003301c46fd4$3ac51180$5c95fea9 [at] Peter1>
In-Reply-To: <list-3948077 [at] prxy.net>

Does anyone have the details of how to make and operate a low lying fog
using dry ice? I read it once years ago but lost the method. Thanks

Best Regards,
 
Peter Kiely
Peter.Kiely [at] telkomsa.net




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Message-ID: <187801c46fe1$bae326b0$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-3948140 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: New subject - Fog
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:46:32 -0400

You mean something like this?

http://sauve.org/images/bandfog.jpg

I've seemed to have misplace the other pictures.  A few seconds later over
half the field was covered.    This is outdoors, btw.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Kiely" <Peter.Kiely [at] telkomsa.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: New subject - Fog


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Does anyone have the details of how to make and operate a low lying fog
> using dry ice? I read it once years ago but lost the method. Thanks
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Peter Kiely
> Peter.Kiely [at] telkomsa.net
>
>
>


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Message-ID: <00e201c46fe6$f70752b0$396b7244 [at] D78YGH41>
From: "Steve" <sschepker [at] charter.net>
Subject: Was sheet good dimensions
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:25:24 -0500


"Now, I am curious... Is 3/4" luaun expensive? (We can't get it here.)"

3/4" Luaun - $16.35
3/4" CDX -  $23.95

These are current prices in south LA (Louisiana).  I buy it at the local mom
and pop hardware store.  They still let customers smoke inside the store and
in the lumber yard.  I was in the place yesterday and it made me wish I
wouldn't have quit.  Nothin' like firin' up
in the plumbing aisle.

I have been using a ton of the luaun.  It is finished on both sides and
paints beautifully.

Steve Schepker
Southeastern Louisiana University


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Message-ID: <003001c46ffb$b4fadb70$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-3948077 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: 4x8
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:53:52 -1000

I should have mentioned that the following applies to Hawaii (an actual
state in America) although it may not be limited to here.  We received
plywood here that is stamped "Hawaii Use Only".  I have been told that it is
labeled thusly because of extra chemical treatment for "moisture or
"termites".

I suspect the truth of the matter is that the quality of the ply is so poor,
it cannot be sold on the mainland.

I honestly cannot remember whether I have used 3/4" cross laminated plywood
but imagine so.  I have used oak, birch, maple, walnut, and koa.  I have
used 3/4" lauan "meranti" or lumber core, or what I call block board.  It
consists of two outer veneers of lauan covering a substrate of blocks of a
variety of woods, similar in thickness, varying in length.  The substrate
can have some serious voids... up to 1/2", and as the blocks are of
different materials, they vary in density.  Both these qualities make
cutting and routing an adventure.

The surface of lumber core lauan is smooth but the material is weak... its
strength being only in the surface laminates.

Laters,

Paul

"I punched him in the stomach three times," said Tom triumphantly.

<<In my experience, lauan is usually over long by between 1/8" - 3/16".  It
is
usually 3/16" thick which is around 4.76 mm.  Not exactly metric methinks.
Lumber and plywood here tends to vary in dimension (and quality) and each
type of material needs to be measured. 1x3 lumber stock has varied in
thickness from 5/8" - 7/8" and in width from 2--1/4" - 2-3/4"... I've gotten
an entire skip of parallelogram sectioned 1x3.

The additional 3/16" in length generally isn't a problem.  A 8' flat ends up
being that much taller.  Usually I will let the 3/16" extend past the
framing (if the flat is a single use and if the 8' height isn't crucial).

Routing off the extra is a pain in the okole (pronounced "ass").  Use a
sharp bit and score the cut line with a razor knife (hollow core door
trimming trick).

One can build 3 true 4'x10' flats from 3 sheets of over length lauan

It has been my experience that "masonite" is not square and is all over the
map in size and thickness.

1/4" ply, 1/2 " ply, etc. ain't.

When I need true dimension stuff, I move to medex.>>


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Message-ID: <40FFDA43.8030101 [at] northnet.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:16:19 -0500
From: Shawn Palmer <shawnp [at] northnet.net>
Subject: DSF 1500W lamps
References: <list-3948077 [at] prxy.net> <list-3949809 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-3949809 [at] prxy.net>

If anyone can use six frosted DSF 1500W lamps please let me know off 
list.  I have no use for them.


Shawn Palmer
Pickard Civic Auditorium
Neenah, WI
USA


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:43:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking of storage
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BD2558EA.3A2A%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3948077 [at] prxy.net>

Cosmo wrote:
> 
> Although I'm sure that most subscribers to this list work in theatres
> with all the storage and shop space they need right at hand, but
> perhaps some of you have arrived at some interesting solutions...

    Storage space?? What's that?? When they first built this place back in
1894, and when they remodelled it in 1931, I guess they didn't take 2004
storage needs into consideration. "Shop space" is the stage.

    Interesting solutions to storing  all those lighting accessories? Yeah,
Lack of budget to buy them in the first place goes miles towards solving the
storage issue!

    and Chris Warner wrote:

> Don't forget about your cabline either.  At the
> college, we have 3 lengths, short(5' US here), long(10') and stupid
> long(25').  In Most situations if we can't get there in 25' we have to
> change the direction from which the circuit is coming in.

    Since all instruments require a home run to the dimmer rack, most of our
cables are 50' or 100'. Nothing shorter than 25' in the place! - Goes to
show that every place is different! (We stack the coiled spare cables behind
the skirting under the apron.)

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:05:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking of storage
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BD255DF4.8F4%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-3950146 [at] prxy.net>

I have a welded steel rack with 15 pipes about a
foot long that stick out on each side.  The pipes
are angled slightly upward.  There is also a tray
area on top of the bottom frame which attaches to
the casters.  Our space has no cables longer than
30'.  Most are 5', 10', and 15'.  Two-fers are
bundled into groups of 10 which tie onto the
end supports.  Rolls anywhere I need it and hold
dozens and dozens of cables.

Steve

on 7/22/04 11:43 AM, Bruce Purdy at bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Cosmo wrote:
>> 
>> Although I'm sure that most subscribers to this list work in theatres
>> with all the storage and shop space they need right at hand, but
>> perhaps some of you have arrived at some interesting solutions...
> 
> Storage space?? What's that?? When they first built this place back in
> 1894, and when they remodelled it in 1931, I guess they didn't take 2004
> storage needs into consideration. "Shop space" is the stage.
> 
> Interesting solutions to storing  all those lighting accessories? Yeah,
> Lack of budget to buy them in the first place goes miles towards solving the
> storage issue!
> 
> and Chris Warner wrote:
> 
>> Don't forget about your cabline either.  At the
>> college, we have 3 lengths, short(5' US here), long(10') and stupid
>> long(25').  In Most situations if we can't get there in 25' we have to
>> change the direction from which the circuit is coming in.
> 
> Since all instruments require a home run to the dimmer rack, most of our
> cables are 50' or 100'. Nothing shorter than 25' in the place! - Goes to
> show that every place is different! (We stack the coiled spare cables behind
> the skirting under the apron.)
> 
> Bruce


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Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FE75 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: Gobo Storage
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:27:18 -0700

On a slightly smaller scale:

I keep the gobos in the little plastic envelopes they get shipped in, I just group all of a like kind into one envelope.  Each envelope has a paper square with a photocopy of the gobo on 1 side and the name, code #, and # of gobos in stock, and the date,
on the other.  These envelopes are kept in a file-card box (from a previous incarnation).  They aren't organized in the box, I just don't have that many different styles.

I do keep a binder with a page per gobo, including photocopy of gobo, number, code etc., that I can pull out while in my office (10' away from the gobo storage, but up a ladder), and there is a copy in the Tech Office so the bosses can show our stock to
clients if need-be.

Andrew Riter
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
UBC
Vancouver, BC

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Message-ID: <00c301c4700c$06a71c30$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony>
From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-3950453 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Gobo Storage
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:50:42 +0100

I store our gobo's in a CD storage box.
Still in the plastic envelopes (if they still exist!).

Ynot


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:27 PM
Subject: Gobo Storage


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> On a slightly smaller scale:
>
> I keep the gobos in the little plastic envelopes they get shipped in, I
just group all of a like kind into one envelope.  Each envelope has a paper
square with a photocopy of the gobo on 1 side and the name, code #, and # of
gobos in stock, and the date,
> on the other.  These envelopes are kept in a file-card box (from a
previous incarnation).  They aren't organized in the box, I just don't have
that many different styles.
>
> I do keep a binder with a page per gobo, including photocopy of gobo,
number, code etc., that I can pull out while in my office (10' away from the
gobo storage, but up a ladder), and there is a copy in the Tech Office so
the bosses can show our stock to
> clients if need-be.
>
> Andrew Riter
> Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
> UBC
> Vancouver, BC
>



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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:01:57 -0400
Message-Id: <200407221301.AA169607332 [at] adamb.com>
From: "Adam Berns" <ab [at] adamb.com>
Subject: speaker slings

I want to get my speakers off the stage floor.  Unfortunatly, the speakers don't have any points for cables, or eyebolts (and installing them, or making a "cage" for them is not an option.  So, what I want to do is get a sling that I can "wrap" around the speakers, going through the handles.  Something like a come-along that I can wrap around the speaker, sinch tight and then use for points.  All I need is some resources for slings.

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Message-ID: <023f01c47010$32dc1bd0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony>
From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-3894462 [at] prxy.net> <list-3894670 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: movies of stage sets
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:20:34 +0100

That'll be "Topsy Turvy"

TD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert G. Anderson" <rganderson [at] nctv.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: movies of stage sets


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I remember (though not in enough detail to come up with the actual movie
> title) a movie biography of Gilbert and Sullivan which included lots of
> shots of period sets for their operettas...'Zat count?
> 
> Bob Anderson
> Starkville Community Theatre
> 
> 
> 


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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040722131821.056b6008 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:20:40 -0400
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: speaker slings
In-Reply-To: <list-3950759 [at] prxy.net>


>I want to get my speakers off the stage floor.  Unfortunatly, the speakers 
>don't have any points for cables, or eyebolts (and installing them, or 
>making a "cage" for them is not an option.  So, what I want to do is get a 
>sling that I can "wrap" around the speakers, going through the 
>handles.  Something like a come-along that I can wrap around the speaker, 
>sinch tight and then use for points.  All I need is some resources for slings.

There may be quibbles with this, but what I've done for some speakers is to 
check the handles carefully to make sure that they're made of metal.  Then 
I've through-bolted the handles into the case, making sure that there are 
ample washer on the inside.  Then I hang the speakers by the handles.  Just 
make sure that the hanging cable is straight to the lift point on the 
speaker and not fleeting off to the outside.  I prefer a more accepted 
method of hanging, but this works in a pinch.

-- JLB


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From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ae.5d42e745.2e315ae3 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:01:07 EDT
Subject: Re: speaker slings


In a message dated 7/22/04 1:02:43 PM, ab [at] adamb.com writes:

<< I want to get my speakers off the stage floor.  Unfortunatly, the speakers 
don't have any points for cables, or eyebolts (and installing them, or making 
a "cage" for them is not an option.  So, what I want to do is get a sling 
that I can "wrap" around the speakers, going through the handles.  Something like 
a come-along that I can wrap around the speaker, sinch tight and then use for 
points.  All I need is some resources for slings. >>

I sell slings.  Lots of different kinds of slings.  But I gotta tell you that 
in most cases speakers that don't come with flying hardware should stay on 
the ground.

Bill S.

Sapsis Rigging, Inc.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851 fax
267.278.4561 mobile
We stand behind, and under, our work.
                             


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Cc: THEATRE-SOUND [at] LISTSERV.AOL.COM (Discussion list for people working in sound for live theatre.)
From: Sunil Rajan <squeakypig [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: tour posting
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:25:27 -0400

Hello all!
Just got yet another offer to go on tour... and sadly I can't do it!
National tour, mostly weekers with some splits.  Cadac w/ surround 
system.  Modified "Pink" contract.  Seems like a good gig, and a few of 
my friends are on it.  Looking for an A1 (FOH mix and crew head) 
available the end of August to tour thru May '05.
Contact me off-list if you or someone you know may be interested!

Cheers,

Sunil Rajan
Freelance Audio Mercenary


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Message-ID: <000a01c4701b$2de11490$80fea8c0 [at] Mikesmadmachine>
From: "Mike Rock" <rockm [at] new.rr.com>
References: <list-3948140 [at] prxy.net> <list-3948639 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: New subject - Fog
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:39:10 -0500

> 
> http://sauve.org/images/bandfog.jpg

Is that the stagecraft marching band? 

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Message-ID: <3FBB59451418D511B53E00B0D0AADEBD982ACA [at] pa-es1.arts.ucla.edu>
From: "Muller, David" <dmuller [at] arts.ucla.edu>
Subject: Used Wenger Acoustic Shell for sale
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:38:26 -0700

Folks, 
I have been off the list for sometime now,  but finally asked to be
put back on the digest.  I guess I've missed out on a bit.
So what's my first email?  Used equipment for sale.  Sorry.

Anyway,
If anyone is interested in purchasing a used portable
Wenger Acoustic Shell contact me off list.  In great condition! 


I have six rolling units, that were used when our program was moved to the
Wadsworth theater, during the restoration and seismic upgrade of Royce Hall
here in Los Angeles. From 1994 (Northridge earthquake) through 1998.  Since
then they have been  sitting unused in our rehearsal room. 

All six units are tapered style. Hoping they find themselves a nice home
somewhere here in California.
But if you are willing to pay shipping sure we can work something out.

Though ours is only labeled as a Rollaway II by Wenger they
seems to call it a Legacy on their web site.  
Couldn't get a link directly to that page so click on this link 
http://www.wengercorp.com/wenger/wengerhome.nsf/MainFrameset!OpenFrameset
then
Click on Shop and Browse
Click on Theatre Product
Click on Legacy

If you want to see a picture of a standard set up click on "Companion
Product"

Pop up window Click on Legacy Acoustic Shell sets.



David Muller, Technical Director
B100 Royce Hall Box 951529
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1529
310. 794.4048
dmuller [at] arts.ucla.edu

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:18:15 -0500
From: Dave Reynolds <reynolds [at] Macalester.edu>
Subject: Wenger 4' x 4' platform for sale (OT)
Message-id: <2147483647.1090505895 [at] [141.140.13.64]>

Hi folks,

I don't know if this is the right place to post this announcement, so 
please forgive me if it is not the right place to post this announcement.

I have a Wenger 4' x 4' Versalite platform in like-new condition that I 
want to sell.  It has at lease 2 pairs of adjustable legs.  I have used it 
maybe 2 times since purchasing it.  E-mail me off-list for more details.

Dave Reynolds
SONBURST Productions

A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word!
   --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version




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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:03:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
Subject: Vietnamese student interested in design
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407221802360.30284-100000 [at] aria.operaphilly.com>

I got the following message out of the blue today and thought someone else
out there might have helpful ideas for this person. I wrote back and
suggested they subscribe to the stagecraft list, but in the meantime feel
free to contact Nhan directly at <tinhxotxavua [at] yahoo.com>, I'm sure it 
would be appreciated!

Boyd Ostroff                          ooo      Opera Company of Philadelphia
Director of Design & Technology     ooooooo        1420 Locust St, Suite 210
ostroff [at] operaphilly.com             ooooooo           Philadelphia, PA 19102
http://tech.operaphilly.com           ooo                (215) 893-3600 x225

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:43:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: nhan thanh <tinhxotxavua [at] yahoo.com>
To: ostroff [at] operaphilly.com
Subject: I'm from Viet Nam !

hi ! 

I'm a student in Viet Nam , I'm very interested in working as a stage
designer , in my country this isn't popular so I don't know where to start
, can you see me where I can study it ? ( can I study it online ? because
I don't have enough money to study abroad ! ) , some materials for
studying which I can search online ?
 Thank you for your helping ! I'm looking forward to your reply ! 




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Message-Id: <l03130301bd267752edbb [at] [155.245.53.27]>
In-Reply-To: <list-3950453 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:06:46 +0100
From: Dorian Kelly <dorian [at] essex.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Gobo Storage

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
> I use 6 x 4 photo albums with clear plastic pockets. It works a treat

DK



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