Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #80 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:00:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #80 1. selling gear by Shawn Palmer 2. Re: Used Wenger Acoustic Shell for sale by "Sam Fisher" 3. Thanks for the info by "Jon Ares" 4. Re: speaker slings by usctd [at] columbia.sc 5. speaker slings by CB 6. Re: speaker slings by CB 7. Re: speaker slings by CB 8. Re: bILS 7/22 POST by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 9. London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Stephen Litterst 10. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by James Feinberg 11. Re: 4x8 by Tony Miller 12. Re: 4x8 by Charlie Richmond 13. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Tony Miller 14. Re: 4x8 by William McLachlan 15. Re: 4x8 by David Duffy 16. Re: 4x8 by Charlie Richmond 17. Re: 4x8 or 1220 x 2400 by Andy Ciddor *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <41011928.9070203 [at] northnet.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:56:56 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: selling gear References: In-Reply-To: Ladies and gents, Pardon the commercial nature of this post... I am selling some of my personal gear on eBay. To look, try this URL: http://tinyurl.com/4g543 Pardon the invasion of the list. Now back to Stagecraft... Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: Re: Used Wenger Acoustic Shell for sale Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:17:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I might to willing to take them off your hands. Many of the venues in the area use these. Can you send me some photos so I can see if they are the same ones. If so I'd be extremely interested because Wenger wants a small fortune to custom build spare parts for the old ones. Sam Fisher VP - Fisher Theatrical, LLC. 410-455-9641 office 410-455-9643 fax 410-961-0921 cell -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Muller, David Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:38 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Used Wenger Acoustic Shell for sale For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Folks, I have been off the list for sometime now, but finally asked to be put back on the digest. I guess I've missed out on a bit. So what's my first email? Used equipment for sale. Sorry. Anyway, If anyone is interested in purchasing a used portable Wenger Acoustic Shell contact me off list. In great condition! I have six rolling units, that were used when our program was moved to the Wadsworth theater, during the restoration and seismic upgrade of Royce Hall here in Los Angeles. From 1994 (Northridge earthquake) through 1998. Since then they have been sitting unused in our rehearsal room. All six units are tapered style. Hoping they find themselves a nice home somewhere here in California. But if you are willing to pay shipping sure we can work something out. Though ours is only labeled as a Rollaway II by Wenger they seems to call it a Legacy on their web site. Couldn't get a link directly to that page so click on this link http://www.wengercorp.com/wenger/wengerhome.nsf/MainFrameset!OpenFrameset then Click on Shop and Browse Click on Theatre Product Click on Legacy If you want to see a picture of a standard set up click on "Companion Product" Pop up window Click on Legacy Acoustic Shell sets. David Muller, Technical Director B100 Royce Hall Box 951529 Los Angeles, CA 90095-1529 310. 794.4048 dmuller [at] arts.ucla.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c470c2$cab914f0$0201a8c0 [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Thanks for the info Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:38:58 -0700 I would like to publicly thank everyone who answered my questions regarding Facility Managers - it was a trove of great information, and made a good impression. Even the info people are still sending me will be valuable, because, naturally, the meeting the other evening was not attended by all the people who really should see this material. There will be continued talks, but there also has to be a total shift of mindset by the top administrators. Thank you everyone. This list is great! -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4497.129.252.241.105.1090602680.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: speaker slings From: usctd [at] columbia.sc I guess you could go about doing it that way if you HAVE to, but if it ain't meant to fly..... Why can't you make a cage? To me that would seem the safest bet if you have someone that is a competent welder/fabricator. -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I want to get my speakers off the stage floor. Unfortunatly, the speakers > don't have any points for cables, or eyebolts (and installing them, or > making a "cage" for them is not an option. So, what I want to do is get a > sling that I can "wrap" around the speakers, going through the handles. > Something like a come-along that I can wrap around the speaker, sinch > tight and then use for points. All I need is some resources for slings. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040723101018.01834c20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:10:18 From: CB Subject: speaker slings Speakers come in such a WIDE variety of sizes, weights, constructions and utilities that any sort of suggestion without more information would be doing you a disservice, or perhaps endangering lives. How 'bout you let us know what your hanging, and what you plan on hanging it from, before we step into the liability limelight witcha? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040723101741.01834c20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:17:41 From: CB Subject: Re: speaker slings >Then I hang the speakers by the handles. Ehm, depending on the manufacture of the handles and the crate that they're bolted to, this may or may not be a good idea. Remember, speakers are a dynamic load. Speakers constructed out of some woods will be overly susceptible to moisture, others to dry rot, and still others to just unnacceptable carpentry practices. An eighteen inch driver represents a bunch o' mass wiggling around up there, and having it, and the face that it is attached to, leave the box headed for the audience is embarrassing at the very least. When the investigators finally get there, hopefully you have the speaker's sides (the ones that were suspended by handles) cut down and all the evidence (including the box across the pro) in the incinerator Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040723102216.01834c20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:22:16 From: CB Subject: Re: speaker slings >But I gotta tell you that >in most cases speakers that don't come with flying hardware should stay on >the ground. OOoohhh, I hate to be Dave here, but I've found many ways to fly many speaks that don't come with flying hardware. One way is to get flying hardware from a reputable company like ATM, another is to make flying hardware following the directions of a reputable person, like the guys at ATM. The main consideration is that the parts that are above the heads of anyone are designed, in the end, to stay above even if the entire box comes apart at the seams. The afore-mentioned cages are a good example of a good (but ugly) way to fly speaks. I would, however, check with my riggers before making any decisions. ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: bILS 7/22 POST Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:43:40 -0400 In a July 22nd message Bill wrote: "I sell slings. Lots of different kinds of slings. Bill S." Do you stock the slings of outrageous fortune? What about the arrows or is that props? Marty Petlock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:01:07 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) Message-id: <1c7e91bf2b.1bf2b1c7e9 [at] ithaca.edu> Hey folks, I've had this message bounced twice already, apparently those off-topic filters are working pretty well. Anyway, we're finalizing our plans for nine days in and around London. Assuming that we'll hit all the "traditional" tourist stuff, what do folks suggest we make sure to see? Any good off-the-beaten-path museums and such? Our plan is to spend most of our time in and around London, with maybe some bus trips to Bath and Stratford and maybe an overnight up to Scotland to go kilt shopping. Needless to say, if you have a theatre or shop in the London area (reachable by tube and foot -- I'm *NOT* renting a car) and wouldn't mind me poking around, please let me know. Have to have something to make this count as a business trip. ;-) Any and all suggestions are welcome. Responses should be sent to me directly (slitterst [at] ithaca.edu) so we don't clutter up the list. Thanks always! Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Dept of Theatre Arts 607.274.34947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200407232017.i6NKHTmq010844 [at] gryphon.auspice.net> Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:17:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Stephen Litterst" at Jul 23, 2004 04:01:07 PM From: James Feinberg I was just about to post a very similar message, although I only have two days in London as an add-on to Holland and Brussels. So, please include me on your replies to Stephen! --James Feinberg Production Manager, Theatre Arts Program University of San Diego feinberg [at] sandiego.edu > Anyway, we're finalizing our plans for nine days in and around London. > Assuming that we'll hit all the "traditional" tourist stuff, what do folks > suggest we make sure to see? Any good off-the-beaten-path museums > and such? Our plan is to spend most of our time in and around London, > with maybe some bus trips to Bath and Stratford and maybe an overnight > up to Scotland to go kilt shopping. > > Needless to say, if you have a theatre or shop in the London area > (reachable by tube and foot -- I'm *NOT* renting a car) and wouldn't mind > me poking around, please let me know. Have to have something to make > this count as a business trip. ;-) > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. Responses should be sent to me > directly (slitterst [at] ithaca.edu) so we don't clutter up the list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:16:01 +0100 Subject: Re: 4x8 From: Tony Miller Message-ID: > <<"Has anyone purchased sheet goods that weren't actually 4 X 8? I just > bought a large pile of 3/4" luan that is 4' X 8'-3/16". I have never run > into > this problem and wondered if it was common.>> Could it be that the sheet goods are from the whole of the rest of the world that uses the metric system where an 8x4 sheet of 18mm (3/4'' to you) is actually 1220 x 2440mm. This is very slightly oversized and may be the cause of your extra 3/16th". I'm sure it can't be economic to cut sheets specifically for the US and different for the whole of the rest of the world. Cheers Tony Miller. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:24:12 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: 4x8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Tony Miller wrote: > Could it be that the sheet goods are from the whole of the rest of the world > that uses the metric system where an 8x4 sheet of 18mm (3/4'' to you) is > actually 1220 x 2440mm. This is very slightly oversized and may be the cause > of your extra 3/16th". I'm sure it can't be economic to cut sheets > specifically for the US and different for the whole of the rest of the > world. This is the obvious answer, of course, and I figured everyone knew it implicitly. Here's how 2440mm converts: 2440.000 millimetre [mm] equivalent to: 96.06280 inch [in] on this site: http://convert.french-property.co.uk/index.htm Cheers, Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:49:09 +0100 Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) From: Tony Miller Message-ID: > Hey folks, > > I've had this message bounced twice already, apparently those off-topic > filters are working pretty well. > > Anyway, we're finalizing our plans for nine days in and around London. > Assuming that we'll hit all the "traditional" tourist stuff, what do folks > suggest we make sure to see? Any good off-the-beaten-path museums > and such? Our plan is to spend most of our time in and around London, > with maybe some bus trips to Bath and Stratford and maybe an overnight > up to Scotland to go kilt shopping. > > Needless to say, if you have a theatre or shop in the London area > (reachable by tube and foot -- I'm *NOT* renting a car) and wouldn't mind > me poking around, please let me know. Have to have something to make > this count as a business trip. ;-) > > Any and all suggestions are welcome. Responses should be sent to me > directly (slitterst [at] ithaca.edu) so we don't clutter up the list. > > > Thanks always! > > Stephen Litterst You don't say when you are travelling but of course the Edinburgh Festival happens for the most of August which is always worth a look at if you are going to Scotland. There is always some theatre stuff that is worth a look at there. In London the Globe theatre is definitely worth seeing and just today I flew into Heathrow Airport and noticed the new Wembley stadium steelwork is up, so get a window seat on the right side of the aeroplane if you can and not only do you a get a fantastic view of London as you land, but you also see the very impressive steelwork. Enjoy, and if you make it to Leeds or Yorkshire give me an email and I will show you some good theatre stuff. Tony Miller. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: William McLachlan Subject: Re: 4x8 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:11:27 -0700 On Jul 23, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Tony Miller wrote: > >> Could it be that the sheet goods are from the whole of the rest of >> the world >> that uses the metric system where an 8x4 sheet of 18mm (3/4'' to you) >> is >> actually 1220 x 2440mm.{...}This is the obvious answer, of course, >> and I figured everyone knew it implicitly. Here's how 2440mm >> converts: > > 2440.000 millimetre [mm] equivalent to: 96.06280 inch [in] > And for crikey's sakes would it be so bad to call it 122 CENTImeters by 244 CENTImeters? :) Holding my good ole' 'murrican tape measure tightly to my heart, Willy :P ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4102203B.40807 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:39:23 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: 4x8 References:

In-Reply-To: William McLachlan wrote: > On Jul 23, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > >> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Tony Miller wrote: >> >>> Could it be that the sheet goods are from the whole of the rest of >>> the world >>> that uses the metric system where an 8x4 sheet of 18mm (3/4'' to >>> you) is >>> actually 1220 x 2440mm.{...}This is the obvious answer, of course, >>> and I figured everyone knew it implicitly. Here's how 2440mm converts: >> >> >> 2440.000 millimetre [mm] equivalent to: 96.06280 inch [in] >> > > And for crikey's sakes would it be so bad to call it 122 CENTImeters > by 244 CENTImeters? :) > > Holding my good ole' 'murrican tape measure tightly to my heart, Carpenters and other woodworkers don't use centimetres do they? I've never heard one use anything other than millmetres or metres. David... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:40:03 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: 4x8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, William McLachlan wrote: >> 2440.000 millimetre [mm] equivalent to: 96.06280 inch [in] > > And for crikey's sakes would it be so bad to call it 122 CENTImeters by 244 > CENTImeters? :) Why does this always upset people? Metric is so easy to express in whatever terms you prefer. I only did it in mm because the original comment expressed it that way. One could just as easily say it as 1.22m x 2.44m or even 12.2dm x 24.4dm > Holding my good ole' 'murrican tape measure tightly to my heart, My good ole 'murrican (Lufkin) tape measure has both metric and imperial side by side - quite handy ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040724190015.036732f8 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:05:46 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: 4x8 or 1220 x 2400 In-Reply-To: References:

At 18:39 24.07.2004, David Duffy wrote: >Carpenters and other woodworkers don't use centimetres do they? >I've never heard one use anything other than millmetres or metres. The official unit used for such work is indeed the millimetre. However, I have noticed that costume/wardrobe people do talk in centimetres, and most clothing sizes are quoted in centimetres, despite it not being an official SI unit. Andy ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #80 ****************************