Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #87 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:00:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #87 1. Re: Re :Metric by Simon Shuker 2. Re: Plywood by "Paul Guncheon" 3. Re: Re :Metric by Kåre Olai Lindbach 4. Re: Dimmers Needed by "Chris Warner" 5. Subject: Re: artificial lawn by "Levy, Adriane" 6. Re: Michigan (Gull Lake) & Toronto by Scott Spidell 7. Re: Dimmers Needed by "C. Andrew Dunning" 8. Re: Metric by "Ehrenberg, Steven" 9. Re: Metric and history by Simon Shuker 10. Re: Dimmers Needed by Richard Bakos 11. Re: Dimmers Needed by "Steven Haworth" 12. Re: Dimmers Needed by "don taco" 13. Live Sound School by CB 14. Re: Live Sound School by 15. Olympic Torch Help by "Jonathan Wills" 16. Need for a degree/formal education? by mat goebel 17. Re: Olympic Torch Help by doran [at] bard.edu 18. Re: Olympic Torch Help by "Randy Whitcomb" 19. Re: Olympic Torch Help by Steve Larson 20. Re: Need for a degree/formal education? by Stan Jensen 21. Re: Need for a degree/formal education? by David Marks 22. Re: Dimmers Needed by "Elliott Family" 23. Re: Olympic Torch Help by Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions 24. Employment Opportunities by "Thomas Rodman" 25. Genesee Theatre: Help! by "Bruce Cooper" 26. Re: Dimmers Needed by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 27. Re: Genesee Theatre: Help! by Richard Niederberg 28. Re: Genesee Theatre: Help! by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 29. Re: Olympic Torch Help by Richard Niederberg 30. 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Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:02:32 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: Re :Metric In-reply-to: Message-id: <0I1N003T0T8D0I [at] dpmail1.emirates.net.ae> I think you will find 8x4 came first and 2440mm x1220mm is the rounded metric conversion -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of K=E5re = Olai Lindbach Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Re :Metric For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:13 -1000, you ("Paul Guncheon" ) wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > >--------------------------------------------------- > >>It seems to me that many materials are said to be metric, 1220 x 2440=20 >>for instance, apparently because the measurement number ends in zero. = >>Wouldn't a true "metric" size be 1m x 2m? > ><plank (I donot what you call them in English) when building should be=20 >600 mm (aka 60 cm aka 0.6 m). The "standard" height of a room is 2400=20 >mm, I believe, so that's probably the reason for that.>> > >I think you mean by "vertical planks" what we refer to as "studs". > ><It seems you get 10 mm ekstra per 600 mm "unit-length".>> > >Frankly, I don't buy the argument of plywood being sized to match=20 >"standard ceiling heights" (if there is such a thing) plus a bit. Stud = >placement here is usually 16" o.c. (406mm+/-). When sheathing or=20 >flooring, one generally wants their material to be a bit smaller rather than larger. That 1/16" >space or bit oversize multiplies rather quickly. You're correct, it doesn't look very likely, but it was a nice try ;-) But I took a look at some standard plywood here in Norway, and if my = memory serves me well (I have had 3 days off in between, and still am off) if was something like 1197mm by 2397mm, which well compile with 2 * 600mm c-c stud width, and a nominal heigh. And a bit smaller to fit, = as you correctly state. But it doesn't suit this 1220mm x 2440mm dimension. Looks like a mystery = why it is in that size... But 3 * 16" c-c studwidth seems very close to 1220 mm. (16 * 3 * 25.4 mm = =3D 1219 mm). But regrettfully it seems to be 1 mm or so on the wrong side. -- mvh/Regards K=E5re Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from = unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002201c47624$6ee3a750$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Plywood Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:00:30 -1000 <> <> So the final answer appears to be that 4x8 ain't. ... ain't Imperial. ... ain't metric. ... always measure. ... cover your mouth when you sneeze. I wish I had those tolerances when I build scenery. Laters, Paul "I have no idea," said Tom thoughtlessly. ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: Re :Metric Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:55:39 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:02:32 +0400, you (Simon Shuker ) wrote: >From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kåre Olai >Lindbach >But it doesn't suit this 1220mm x 2440mm dimension. Looks like a mystery why >it is in that size... > >But 3 * 16" c-c studwidth seems very close to 1220 mm. (16 * 3 * 25.4 mm = >1219 mm). But regrettfully it seems to be 1 mm or so on the wrong side. >I think you will find 8x4 came first and 2440mm x1220mm is the rounded >metric conversion Ah, of course, my bad! 4 * 12 * 25.4mm = 1219mm. Yes, then we're on the same size! (4 feet by 12 inches by inch_to_mm) Or in more imperial terms: 4 feet = 48 inches. 3 times 16 inches studwidth = 48 inches. I think I will stand by that the width is for a 3 times 16" center-to-center studwidth. -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <028601c47631$e5b9ca50$6501a8c0 [at] chris> From: "Chris Warner" References: Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:36:54 -0700 > Greetings from Music City! > > I am helping the LD [at] my church look for used dimmer packs. He already has > multiple CD80 and Genesis 12x2.4 kW that he uses as satellite dimmers to > augment the permanent system and we're needing more. If any of you have any > of these that are gathering dust and that you'd be willing to sell, please > contact me. > > Thank you! > > C. Andrew Dunning > Landru Design > - > Nashville, TN > - > cad [at] landrudesign.com > www.landrudesign.com Check out these places http://www.hticsproaudio.com/used%20pro%20lighting%20and%20staging%20for%20sale_1.html http://www.soundbroker.com/LIGHTING/ http://www.usedlighting.com/browse.php?tempProcessing=1 Hope that helps. 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Good=20luck! Adriane Adriane=20M.=20Levy Assistant=20Technical=20Director Guthrie=20Theater (612)=20341-1393 adrianeml [at] guthrietheater.org ______________________________________________________________________ This=20email=20has=20been=20scanned=20by=20the=20MessageLabs=20Email=20Sec= urity=20System. For=20more=20information=20please=20visit=20http://www.messagelabs.com/ema= il=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040730090336.01aeb958 [at] watarts.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:10:30 -0400 From: Scott Spidell Subject: Re: Michigan (Gull Lake) & Toronto Cc: scp [at] hstech.org In-Reply-To: References: At 06:01 AM 7/30/2004, Scott wrote: >I know this is short notice, but the question not asked.... > >I'm spending next week at Gull Lake in Richland Michigan and the following >week in Toronto. Anyone care to meet up? Any suggestions for either myself, >or my 2 year old, to do? > >My off-list email: scp [at] hstech.org >Thanks, Scott I'd love to visit in Toronto, but will be on the road to Montreal for the annual CITT conference and AGM. Come up to Montreal - we're touring the Cirque and Gala shops and and hanging mainly around the University of Montreal and the National Theatre School. Perhaps we (all) could get together in Toronto In March 2005 (USITT)? Scott Scott Spidell Technical Director University of Waterloo Department of Drama and Speech Communications drama.uwaterloo.ca ------------------------------ From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:52:10 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris - That definitely helps. Thanks! C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Metric Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:30:50 -0500 Message-ID: <12B3596D3274A944920E4B5AAFE8B19F05FE130E [at] SATMAIL07.usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> From: "Ehrenberg, Steven" =20 On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:13 -1000, you ("Paul Guncheon" ) wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = >--------------------------------------------------- > >>It seems to me that many materials are said to be metric, 1220 x 2440 = for >>instance, apparently because the measurement number ends in zero. = Wouldn't >>a true "metric" size be 1m x 2m? > But I took a look at some standard plywood here in Norway, and if my memory serves me well (I have had 3 days off in between, and still am off) if was something like 1197mm by 2397mm, which well compile with 2 * 600mm c-c stud width, and a nominal heigh. And a bit smaller to fit, as you correctly state. But it doesn't suit this 1220mm x 2440mm dimension. Looks like a mystery why it is in that size... But 3 * 16" c-c studwidth seems very close to 1220 mm. (16 * 3 * 25.4 mm =3D 1219 mm). But regrettfully it seems to be 1 mm or so on the wrong side. --=20 mvh/Regards K=E5re Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) I've been away from the list for a bit, busy with the newly renovated = Opera House in Boston, which opened with the Gazelle tour of The Lion = King on 7-16. I have been catching up on digests and I hope this isn't = redundant, but clearly the 1220 mm x 2440 mm dimensions of ply sheets = being discussed are merely the metric equivalents of 4' x 8', and as = Paul states are not really metric at all. The numbers 122 cm x 244 cm = are burned into my brain from years of touring American built scenery in = Europe and other parts of the world. Over there I have always found it = easiest to work exclusively in Metric so everyone is on the same page, = but all that converting and layout of your American set tends to keep = those numbers burned into your everyday consciousness. I highly = recommend a tape measure with both Imperial and Metric measurements on = it, it's a really useful tool and saves hours of time until you really = learn to think in metric Recently for the European touring version of = the set for Steve Reich & Beryl Korot's opera "Three tales" we wanted to = use rental platforms; storage issues, shipping and building costs = influenced this decision. In the states we used rental platforms rather = than build our own, and all the platforming was based on 4 x 8 or 4 x 4 = dimensions ( Ok, I admit we had to use 1 [at] 4' x 6' ). The true metric = platforms we discovered for rental in Europe were, as Paul correctly = surmises, based on 1 Meter and 2 Meter increments, we also found rentals = in 500 mm (.50M) versions and we adjusted things to fit the metric = dimensions, not too difficult once our team grasped the concept. Norwegian stud width and room height aside, this seems like a fairly = obvious answer to why the sheets are sized this way. Even when the world = loathes the USA for our Bush policies and actions, it still makes sense = to size your plywood for our markets. My 2 cents or the Euro equivalent, Steven Steven Ehrenberg Director of Technical Supervision Clear Channel Entertainment - Theatrical Off : 917 421 5461 Mobile: 917 331 0207=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:24:15 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: Metric and history In-reply-to: Message-id: <0I1O0038Q84LVD [at] apmail3.emirates.net.ae> Steven, You seem to forget that feet and inches have been around a lot longer = than the United States of America and is more than likely a throwback from = the US being part of the British Empire. Although I am British I have been = brought up with metric and find it a lot easier to work with. Its also a pain = when touring in countries that still use feet and inches (or imperial = measurement as Brits know it)!=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of = Ehrenberg, Steven Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:31 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Metric For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- =20 On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:13 -1000, you ("Paul Guncheon" ) wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > >--------------------------------------------------- > >>It seems to me that many materials are said to be metric, 1220 x 2440=20 >>for instance, apparently because the measurement number ends in zero. = >>Wouldn't a true "metric" size be 1m x 2m? > But I took a look at some standard plywood here in Norway, and if my = memory serves me well (I have had 3 days off in between, and still am off) if was something like 1197mm by 2397mm, which well compile with 2 * 600mm c-c stud width, and a nominal heigh. And a bit smaller to fit, = as you correctly state. But it doesn't suit this 1220mm x 2440mm dimension. Looks like a mystery = why it is in that size... But 3 * 16" c-c studwidth seems very close to 1220 mm. (16 * 3 * 25.4 mm = =3D 1219 mm). But regrettfully it seems to be 1 mm or so on the wrong side. -- mvh/Regards K=E5re Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from = unknown will be discarded) I've been away from the list for a bit, busy with the newly renovated = Opera House in Boston, which opened with the Gazelle tour of The Lion King on 7-16. I have been catching up on digests and I hope this isn't = redundant, but clearly the 1220 mm x 2440 mm dimensions of ply sheets being = discussed are merely the metric equivalents of 4' x 8', and as Paul states are not really metric at all. The numbers 122 cm x 244 cm are burned into my = brain from years of touring American built scenery in Europe and other parts = of the world. Over there I have always found it easiest to work exclusively = in Metric so everyone is on the same page, but all that converting and = layout of your American set tends to keep those numbers burned into your = everyday consciousness. I highly recommend a tape measure with both Imperial and Metric measurements on it, it's a really useful tool and saves hours of = time until you really learn to think in metric Recently for the European = touring version of the set for Steve Reich & Beryl Korot's opera "Three tales" = we wanted to use rental platforms; storage issues, shipping and building = costs influenced this decision. In the states we used rental platforms rather than build our own, and all the platforming was based on 4 x 8 or 4 x 4 dimensions ( Ok, I admit we had to use 1 [at] 4' x 6' ). The true metric platforms we discovered for rental in Europe were, as Paul correctly surmises, based on 1 Meter and 2 Meter increments, we also found rentals = in 500 mm (.50M) versions and we adjusted things to fit the metric = dimensions, not too difficult once our team grasped the concept. Norwegian stud width and room height aside, this seems like a fairly = obvious answer to why the sheets are sized this way. Even when the world loathes = the USA for our Bush policies and actions, it still makes sense to size your plywood for our markets. My 2 cents or the Euro equivalent, Steven Steven Ehrenberg Director of Technical Supervision Clear Channel Entertainment - Theatrical Off : 917 421 5461 Mobile: 917 331 0207=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <410A699B.3080508 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:30:35 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed References: In-Reply-To: There is always Ebay......... -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:56:13 -0500 Message-ID: <721DC9EE550F834A92EC08BDC332B0EE01608069 [at] trader.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" I've got used equipment dealers listed on my site as well: http://www.stagelights.info - Steven ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008501c47662$f644e7c0$a8db3b45 [at] taco> From: "don taco" References: Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:27:32 -0700 sadly, the links to used equipment are timely for us as well. thanks for posting them. anyone have a dmx-to-amx converter they wish they had a buyer for? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040730114832.01831318 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:48:32 From: CB Subject: Live Sound School >I know I should subscribe to a sound list for this but I'll throw this out anyway. I >have a high school student here that is looking for continueing ed This is a sound list. As much as it is a lighting list and a costume list and a TD list, etc. Anyhoo, tell him that an internship at a club, or a theatre, or with a sound co. is the way to go. Find someone that has skills (real skills) and follow him around for a year. He'll learn more in that year than at (almost) any four year program. Live sound cam be best learned where live sound is made, live. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Live Sound School Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:53:54 -0400 Message-Id: <20040730185354.JGEK25903.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01> > This is a sound list. As much as it is a lighting list and a costume list > and a TD list, etc. I know and that is one of the great stregths of this list. > Anyhoo, tell him that an internship at a club, or a theatre, or with a > sound co. is the way to go. I have told him that since the get go (he has been trying like heck to get a gig at Clair Bros. but he is only 16 and still in high school and they have plenty of applicants that have more flexible schedules than he has. He is probably the best student engineer I have have had in the 14 years I have been working high school theatre and I think his parents would like to see him in some continuing ed program. Thanks all for the advice everyone and keep it coming. Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200407301856.i6UIuM2x007437 [at] smtp-dtc07.proxy.aol.com> From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: Olympic Torch Help Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:56:02 -0400 Organization: Jonathan Wills Hello all, I have a question for the masses. A friend is looking for a =93real=94 = torch. He needs it by Friday, Aug 6 in TX. I think LeMaitre had a torch that was self extinguishing when the = operator dropped it. Does anyone have spec sheets on this or know where I can see one/get one. He wants it to have an Olympic torch look. Any other suggestions will be greatly appreciated. If anyone has an Olympic looking torch in the closet somewhere that they would like to sell/rent let me know. Please respond off or on list. I = get the digest so for quickest response email me off-list. Thank you, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting and Stage www.WillsLighting.com 423.432.8082 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <410A9CC7.4060104 [at] comcast.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:08:55 -0700 From: mat goebel Cc: THEATRE-SOUND [at] LISTSERV.AOL.COM (theatre sound) Subject: Need for a degree/formal education? From the recent discussion about degrees and school, I'd like to ask if a formal education or degree is commonly necessary to succeed in the industry? What are your experiences working with people who do/don't have degrees? People who have put their time in with IATSE? What are the current trends on hiring - is a pedigree becoming increasingly important? -- Mat G. Entertainment Technical Services Paramount's Great America "Remember kids, an *actor* shot Abe Lincoln." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1091214946.410a9e622f816 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:15:46 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: Olympic Torch Help References: In-Reply-To: Jonathan, Try looking at this site: http://www.gamcolor.com/index.php We tried the Gamtorch with their fuel pellets about four years ago. Not quite what we were looking for, but it was a good product. The flame reads well from the house, it's relatively cheap to run, and it self-extinguishes with a spring-loaded lid that snaps shut when the actor lets go. The web site has a 90 second video, pictures, a drawing, and lots of info. Hope This Helps, Andy Champ-Doran Quoting Jonathan Wills : > I have a question for the masses. A friend is looking for a “real” torch. He > needs it by Friday, Aug 6 in TX. > I think LeMaitre had a torch that was self extinguishing when the operator > dropped it. Does anyone have spec sheets on this or know where I can see > one/get one. He wants it to have an Olympic torch look. Any other > suggestions will be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001201c47669$8e8f0dc0$508eac43 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: Olympic Torch Help Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:15:18 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Wills" >I have a question for the masses. A friend is looking for a “real” torch. He >needs it by Friday, Aug 6 in TX. I think you're thinking about GamTorch. Here's the link www.gamonline.com Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:23:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Olympic Torch Help From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Check eBay. A couple of years ago they sold a torch that had been used at Berlin in 1936. Steve on 7/30/04 2:56 PM, Jonathan Wills at Jonathan [at] WillsLighting.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > I have a question for the masses. A friend is looking for a =B3real=B2 torch.= He > needs it by Friday, Aug 6 in TX. >=20 > I think LeMaitre had a torch that was self extinguishing when the operato= r > dropped it. Does anyone have spec sheets on this or know where I can see > one/get one. He wants it to have an Olympic torch look. Any other > suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >=20 > If anyone has an Olympic looking torch in the closet somewhere that they > would like to sell/rent let me know. Please respond off or on list. I get > the digest so for quickest response email me off-list. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Jonathan Wills > Wills Lighting and Stage > www.WillsLighting.com > 423.432.8082 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:28:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Need for a degree/formal education? From: Stan Jensen In-Reply-To: Message-Id: On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 03:08 PM, mat goebel wrote: > ...I'd like to ask if a formal education or degree is commonly > necessary to succeed in the industry?... Well, Mat--it all depends on where you want to work in "the industry" and what job you are being asked to do. First of all, I think we would all agree that the important thing is knowing how to do a task, regardless of where the knowledge was obtained. I think we would also all agree that there is no substitute for experience. If you want to work in educational theatre, you will need a more "formal" approach. Getting the experience is more often the difficult part of the equation, and paying to get a chance at some experience is still a useful course. At our institution, we immerse students in a pretty intense sequence of experiences and those who still enjoy it and wish to continue when they finish do rather well in the larger world. If you want to become a fly-person or technician of some kind, getting an apprenticeship or internship somewhere with someone you respect can be a great way to get started. Remember, though, that theatre is a big sport--with a lot of positions to play. Many of us got to our current positions with a combination of good fortune (being in the right place at the right time) and drive (going somewhere and asking the questions). Bottom line: there is no one way. There is no automatically better way. Ultimately, it must be your way. Stan Jensen Central Michigan University Department of Speech Communication and Dramatic Art Moore 242 Mount Pleasant, MI 48859 (989) 774-1990 office (989) 774-2498 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <410AA199.5060905 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:29:29 -0400 From: David Marks Subject: Re: Need for a degree/formal education? References: mat goebel wrote: > From the recent discussion about degrees and school, I'd like to ask > if a formal education or degree is commonly necessary to succeed in > the industry? What are your experiences working with people who > do/don't have degrees? People who have put their time in with IATSE? School of hard knocks? I have a degree in Printing Management, of all things. I never worked a day in a printing plant. Went straight into TV. Got a NABET card working in a local TV station, then got into IATSE during an open enrollment period when Local 52 (Studio Mechanics) expanded into Pennsylvania and New Jersery. I've worked for 25 years in film and TV as a production sound mixer and video editor. I also worked in grip and electric depts. when times were tough. I've had probably 4 weeks of "formal" training in 25 years. However, I've had to study my tail off to stay competitive, read the right books, subscribe to all the trade rags, read groups like this to know what's going on in the associated crafts. Now I'm learning about stagecraft and theatrical lighting to support my volunteer job at my church. Very few of the guys I work with in my age bracket (40-50) have a degree in film. We did know to show up early, keep quiet, work hard. I see the younger guys today showing up on jobs, who seem to treat the job they're on as a chance to talk about the jobs they wish they had, outside the business, rather than learning the craft. Don't get me wrong, I use some of the things I learned in college every day. I still think if you go to a good 4 year program in any major, include some film/stage/ theater courses in your schedule, and pay attention to the math courses too, that you can succeed in the business. Gack, I sound like my dad! My birthday is 9 days away and it's showing! Dave the dinosaur Marks Mount Joy, PA ------------------------------ From: "Elliott Family" Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c47673$37077a10$6400a8c0 [at] chicago1927> In-Reply-To: Thanks, Don, for stepping up to this! Hope we get a reply. Warmest regards, John Elliott "I've always wanted to be normal,=20 but lately I've had a strong suspicion that=20 this is it." --T. Skinner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Eliminate annoying spam! My mailbox is protected by iHateSpam, the #1-rated spam buster. http://www.ihatespam.net -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of don = taco Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 11:28 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Dimmers Needed For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- sadly, the links to used equipment are timely for us as well. thanks = for posting them. anyone have a dmx-to-amx converter they wish they had a = buyer for? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040730165042.01e0de70 [at] www.looksolutions.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:52:27 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions Subject: Re: Olympic Torch Help In-Reply-To: At 02:56 PM 7/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I have a question for the masses. A friend is looking for a "real" torch. He >needs it by Friday, Aug 6 in TX. You can rent a really nice looking and safe one from Jauchem & Meeh. www.jmfx.net Nathan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <200407301713360150.3A4FAA3D [at] 10.1.1.3> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:13:36 -0500 From: "Thomas Rodman" Subject: Employment Opportunities Greetings All, My name is Tom Rodman and I am the Master Electrician at the Alabama= Shakespeare Festival. We are currently looking to fill several positions= in our electrics department. Anyone who is interested in any of these= positions should contact me directly: Thomas Rodman Master Electrician Alabama Shakespeare Festival 1 Festival Drive Montgomery, AL 36117 Voice: 334-271-5385 Fax: 334-271-5348 E-Mail: trodman [at] asf.net The positions are as follows: 1. Tour Master Electrician: We are looking for a Master Electrician for our National Tour of MacBeth.= This tour will be visiting 14 venues spread out across the country over a= two-month period. The successful applicant must have extensive experience= in electrics as well as previous tour experience. We need a self-starting individual with strong communication and= organizational skills. Duties will include: Directing the load-in,= focus, operation, and load-out of the electrics portion of the tour as= well as maintaining all related equipment. Additionally, the tour ME must= be able to make educated decisions about how to adjust the tour equipment= to accommodate the characteristics of each venue as well as any unforeseen= difficulties. The contract dates for the position are from August 20th - November 1st= 2004. 2. Assistant Master Electrician: The Alabama Shakespeare Festival is looking for an Assistant Master= Electrician for its 2004-2005 season. ASF produces a 12-show season in 2= theatres, six of which run in repertory. The successful applicant must have demonstrated experience hanging,= circuiting, focusing, troubleshooting and maintaining stage lighting= equipment. Knowledge of basic electrical wiring, circuiting and soldering= is required as well as prior experience operating computerized lighting= control systems. We need a self-starting individual who is able and willing to work= independently at times with minimal supervision. The Assistant Master= Electrician needs to be able to help the Master Electrician anticipate the= needs of each production and its respective designer. Good communications= skills, the ability to efficiently plan and prioritize projects for= execution in a timely manner is necessary. The position begins on November 1st, 2004 and will contract through to= sometime mid-August 2005. Salary is commensurate with experience and= includes benefits. Housing is not provided. 3. Staff Electrician: The Alabama Shakespeare Festival is looking for a Staff Electrician for its= 2004-2005 season. ASF produces a 12-show season in 2 theatres, six of= which run in repertory. The successful applicant must have demonstrated experience hanging,= circuiting, focusing, troubleshooting and maintaining stage lighting= equipment. Knowledge of basic electrical wiring, circuiting and soldering= is required. Prior experience operating computerized lighting control= systems is preferred. We need a self-starting individual who is able and willing to work= independently at times with minimal supervision, but is also able to work= as a part of a team. The Staff Electrician needs to be able to help the= Master Electrician and Assistant Master Electrician(s) anticipate the= needs of each production and its respective designer. Good communications= skills, a conscientious attitude, and pride in doing quality work are a= necessity. The position starts November 1st, 2004 and will contract through to= sometime mid-August 2005. Salary is commensurate with experience and= includes benefits. Housing is not provided. ************************************************************************ Thomas Rodman Voice: 334-271-5385 Master Electrician Fax: 334-271-5348 Electrics Department E-Mail: trodman [at] asf.net Alabama Shakespeare Festival http://www.asf.net 1 Festival Drive Montgomery, AL 36117 ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Subject: Genesee Theatre: Help! From: "Bruce Cooper" Message-Id: <20040730230202.1AC20B7EA [at] xprdmailfe18.nwk.excite.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Guys/Dolls:

I need your expertise, your data, and if you're feeling nice, maybe a signed letter.

Here's why: My hometown [Waukegan, IL] has put $22 Million into renovation of the Genesee theatre. The space is absolutely GORGEOUS. 60x60 ft stage, 2500 seats, freight elevator directly on stage, 5 different separate lobby spaces, overlooking Lake Michigan. We're talking goldmine of a space The man who was brought in to plan and supervise this project is a man named Ray Shephardson. Now, as the physical plant section nears completion, the board, for reasons yet unknown, has forced Ray to step down. The plan that the project has been operating under was proposed by Ray, and goes something like this:
Initial operating budget of $4 million for the first season. Between 200 and 250 performance days/year. Mixed use [i.e. comedy, music, theatre, opera, dance, concerts]. Subscription series with breaks for multiple show purchases. Inclusion of the community arts groups. For some reason, this proposal has been rejected.

Word has it that there is a proposal being entertained which calls for between 80 and 90 days/year of performances. No subscription series, no breaks, no platinum circle type memberships. Mostly community theatre.

Why do subscriptions matter ? Well, you know they do, but the board is clueless. Perhaps you guys/dolls could help me enlighten them? Also, the idea behind the theatre was to enliven the downtown area again. Does Community theatre draw 500,000 people per year?

Of note is that there are $15 Million in bonds that the theatre has to pay back.

What I'm hoping this list can provide me is reams and reams of data and arguments for a fuller schedule of events. Help me prove that a fuller schedule means more people, and more money for the theatre and the downtown. I want to be able to tell people that a $4 Million dollar operatng budget isn't out of the question for a venue of it's size. Help me bring the arts back to Waukegan.

Please, contact me off list if you want/need to. I'm more than willing to talk in person or what have you for this cause.

:Bruce Cooper

BTW, I don't work for the Genesee or Ray Shephardson. Call it civic and professional pride
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I need your expertise, your data, and if you're > feeling nice, maybe a signed letter.

Here's why: My > hometown [Waukegan, IL] has put $22 Million into renovation of the > Genesee theatre. The space is absolutely GORGEOUS. 60x60 ft stage, > 2500 seats, freight elevator directly on stage, 5 different separate > lobby spaces, overlooking Lake Michigan. We're talking goldmine of > a space The man who was brought in to plan and supervise this > project is a man named Ray Shephardson. Now, as the physical plant > section nears completion, the board, for reasons yet unknown, has > forced Ray to step down. The plan that the project has been > operating under was proposed by Ray, and goes something like > this:
Initial operating budget of $4 million for the first > season. Between 200 and 250 performance days/year. Mixed use [i.e. > comedy, music, theatre, opera, dance, concerts]. Subscription > series with breaks for multiple show purchases. Inclusion of the > community arts groups. For some reason, this proposal has been > rejected.

Word has it that there is a proposal being > entertained which calls for between 80 and 90 days/year of > performances. No subscription series, no breaks, no platinum circle > type memberships. Mostly community theatre.

Why do > subscriptions matter ? Well, you know they do, but the board is > clueless. Perhaps you guys/dolls could help me enlighten them? > Also, the idea behind the theatre was to enliven the downtown area > again. Does Community theatre draw 500,000 people per year?

> Of note is that there are $15 Million in bonds that the theatre has > to pay back.

What I'm hoping this list can provide me is > reams and reams of data and arguments for a fuller schedule of > events. Help me prove that a fuller schedule means more people, and > more money for the theatre and the downtown. I want to be able to > tell people that a $4 Million dollar operatng budget isn't out of > the question for a venue of it's size. Help me bring the arts back > to Waukegan.

Please, contact me off list if you want/need > to. I'm more than willing to talk in person or what have you for > this cause.

:Bruce Cooper

BTW, I don't work for the > Genesee or Ray Shephardson. Call it civic and professional > pride
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