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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #94

 1. projecting the moon
    by Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
 2. moon fluorescents
    by Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
 3. Re: moon and other shadow boxes
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
 4. Re: moon fluorescents
    by <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
 5. Re: moon fluorescents
    by David Duffy <david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au>
 6. Best Boy
    by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" <rfinkels [at] msn.com>
 7. Re: Best Boy Was: Israeli rental house info
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 8. Re: college vs union & Matt G
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
 9. Re: Best Boy
    by Steve Bailey <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
10. Re: moon fluorescents
    by "Phil Johnson" <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
11. Re: projecting the moon
    by Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
12. Re: projecting the moon
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
13. AutoCad drawings of casters
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
14. I need help in Florida, please
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
15. Anti Cellular wallpaper
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
16. Re: Life Plans
    by June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
17. Re: Best Boy
    by William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
18. StagehandTools.com?
    by "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>

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Message-ID: <41137430.3080601 [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:06:08 +0200
From: Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Subject: projecting the moon

>
>
>I don't suppose you have room upstage to rear project?
>
Am I supposed to cry or laugh at that? Or less impolitely, oh dear no; 
there's barely four feet between gauze and backcloth, and that's right 
up against a wall. It's an awful hall, small open stage and a fan shaped 
white walled auditorium; my great achievement was to convince the 
production to invest in black hangings to cover up the white walls right 
by the stage. And this awful hall is new and expensive, and has the most 
elaborate system for house lights I've ever seen, a really fancy touch 
panel. If I run into the architect I plan to shoot him. (yes I know we 
have had threads on shooting architects, don't mean to start a new one....)

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Message-ID: <41137437.9090102 [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:06:15 +0200
From: Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Subject: moon fluorescents

>
>
>From: "Phil Johnson" <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
>Subject: Re: moon
>
>Judy
>
>Another option for the flourescents is to get lighting gel in the tube
>form and dim them using the grey or chocolate gels.    You can reduce
>the amount of light at least a half a stop or more depending on the gel
>you use. 
>
Thanks Phil - but I don't quite see how that will allow me to bring them 
up slowly from black!! Guess I could build a color scroller kind of 
thing and go from dark gels to light - that's an idea for the future but 
I have a feeling it might cost nearly as much as a dimming circuit! 
Sounds like you are thinking more in film terms, or have I misunderstood 
you?

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Message-ID: <06c201c47baa$e5ed7de0$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
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Subject: Re: moon and other shadow boxes
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:44:55 -0400

One final though on shadow boxes.  When I've built them, I've done lined the
inside with aluminum foil.  It help increase the light output, scatters the
light and scatters the heat as well.  (Of course you still need ventilation,
but it cuts down on the heat absorption.)(And I'm assuming that no one can
apply foil without crinkling it.)

Now that I have a good reflecting surface, my second trick is to aim the
lamps at the back of the box not at the front covering.   This keep from
having hot spots.   For regular naked lamps I've built a small partition
"teaser" to "hide" the lamp from shining directly on the front covering.
Frosted lamps aren't as big a problem, if there's sufficient reflected light
to even out the effect on the front covering.

I forget what type of lamps you were using, but what if you were to go with
150W consumer floods pointed to the back?  I think the red versions of these
put out a goodly amount of light, compared with dipped lamps.  You can angle
them from your sockets by getting the swivel jointed extensions for standard
bases.

Alf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy" <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:06 AM
Subject: moon fluorescents


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> >
> >From: "Phil Johnson" <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
> >Subject: Re: moon
> >
> >Judy
> >
> >Another option for the flourescents is to get lighting gel in the tube
> >form and dim them using the grey or chocolate gels.    You can reduce
> >the amount of light at least a half a stop or more depending on the gel
> >you use.
> >
> Thanks Phil - but I don't quite see how that will allow me to bring them
> up slowly from black!! Guess I could build a color scroller kind of
> thing and go from dark gels to light - that's an idea for the future but
> I have a feeling it might cost nearly as much as a dimming circuit!
> Sounds like you are thinking more in film terms, or have I misunderstood
> you?


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From: <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: moon fluorescents
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 8:36:25 -0400
Message-Id: <20040806123625.GYXL25903.de-fe01.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe01>

> Thanks Phil - but I don't quite see how that will allow me to bring them 
> up slowly from black!! 

Every dimable fl. I have ever seen has blinked on and winked off that you can 
never have a true fade to or from black.  I would think if you had the money 
for the good dimmable balasts you would have enough for neon but never 
working with it can you get a true fade from neon?  Good luck

Greg Bierly
Hempfield HS


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Message-ID: <41137C44.3070904 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:40:36 +1000
From: David Duffy <david [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au>
Subject: Re: moon fluorescents
References: <list-4071237 [at] prxy.net>
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gbierly [at] dejazzd.com wrote:

>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>  
>
>>Thanks Phil - but I don't quite see how that will allow me to bring them 
>>up slowly from black!! 
>>    
>>
>
>Every dimable fl. I have ever seen has blinked on and winked off that you can 
>never have a true fade to or from black.  I would think if you had the money 
>for the good dimmable balasts you would have enough for neon but never 
>working with it can you get a true fade from neon?  Good luck
>  
>

I've used DSI controlled fluro ballasts and they go pretty much 0-100% with
no flickering at all. You should be able to get DMX or 0-10V types as well.
David...


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From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" <rfinkels [at] msn.com>
Subject: Best Boy
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:41:38 -0400
Message-ID: <BAY3-F14xFmfnXAnk7400025f6c [at] hotmail.com>

Since I am in digest mode it is not always easy to see if a post has been 
fully answered so pardon if there is redundancy here.

One interesting thing about film personnel is that the field, in the scope 
of things, is still new and positions are always evolving. Just look at the 
Academy Award for the Production Designers. The category is still labeled 
"Art Direction" even though now the Art Director is quite different from the 
Production Designer.

As to the film's lighting arena, the classic definition has it that the 
film's lighting is designed by the Director of Photography (DP) and that the 
Gaffer is akin to the stage's Master Electrician, and the Best Boy is the 
Gaffer's Assistant.

However this all has seemed to have evolved somewhat. Since the DP is such a 
massive position now, the bulk of the lighting responsibility has fallen by 
now to the Gaffer with the Best Boy now assuming more of what the Gaffer had 
been doing earlier in the industry (ie the Master Electrician work.  Of 
course sine film is all about light exposure, the Director of Photography 
still retains the overall ultimate responsibility.

Before I left Denver I got to work with a few DPs and this was their 
account, but I have also been tracking the evolution of the positions 
through texts on film lighting over the last few decades.

I'd still like to find out more about the evolution of the terminology. I 
believe "Gaffer" relates to the field of glass blowing, but I have never 
heard a good explanation of how it came into  such different film use. (I 
love those word origin things)

RichardF



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Subject: RE: Best Boy Was: Israeli rental house info
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:52:45 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ABF7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Aha. Like they say, the memory is the first thing to go....=20
> or at least I=20
> think that's what they say...

I'd say my memory isn't what it used to be...

Except I don't remember what it used to be.

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Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040806063223.03407b50 [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:36:10 -0700
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: college vs union & Matt G
In-Reply-To: <list-4070428 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-4070428 [at] prxy.net>

I've met a lot of people who regret they never went to college.

I've never met anyone who regretted they did.


Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production
School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html



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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:27:07 -0400
From: Steve Bailey <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Best Boy
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" <rfinkels [at] msn.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: Best Boy

> I'd still like to find out more about the evolution of the terminology. I
> believe "Gaffer" relates to the field of glass blowing, but I have never
> heard a good explanation of how it came into  such different film use. (I
> love those word origin things)

The best explanation I heard (can't remember where) was the Gaffer was the
guy with the "Gaff" hook (from a boat) that was used to raise and lower the
gas level on gas street lamps, for outside shots, presumably

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn  College



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Message-Id: <s1134397.018 [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:38:38 -0500
From: "Phil Johnson" <Phil.Johnson [at] mail.tamucc.edu>
Subject: Re: moon fluorescents

Judy

You are right about being able to dim using only gels.  I forgot about
the transitions and blackouts.  Summer heat kinda gets to you here in S.
Texas.  I was more concerned about the light output of the flourescents
and not getting up to level and back to black.

Phil Johnson 

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:39:23 -0400
Subject: Re: projecting the moon
From: Herrick <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-4070755 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <68BE42B0-E7B6-11D8-9A5D-0003934521EC [at] hglightingdesign.com>

ah well it was worth a shot. :)

On Friday, Aug 6, 2004, at 08:06 America/New_York, Judy wrote:

>>
>> I don't suppose you have room upstage to rear project?
>>
> Am I supposed to cry or laugh at that?

Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and 
in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:04:37 -0400
Subject: Re: projecting the moon
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BD391645.C33%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-4072018 [at] prxy.net>

Years ago I worked on a touring dance project.

They used a large papier-mache moon that was
convex on the front side.  They beautifully
lit it from the wings with careful shuttering
with the light overshooting the moon hitting
in the opposite wing.  They shot it with two
lekos as I remember of differing color and
angle.  One shot at a high angle and one shot
at the low angle.

It was stunning.  The moon was 3-5" in depth.

Steve

on 8/6/04 10:39 AM, Herrick at Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> ah well it was worth a shot. :)
> 
> On Friday, Aug 6, 2004, at 08:06 America/New_York, Judy wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> I don't suppose you have room upstage to rear project?
>>> 
>> Am I supposed to cry or laugh at that?
> 
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and
> in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:28:37 -0400
Subject: AutoCad drawings of casters
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BD391BE5.C35%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>

I was browsing through the net looking for 3" swivel
casters.  150-200# capacity.  Lots of choices.

Any recommendations from the list?


Found a company that had AutoCad drawings of various
casters:


http://www.servicecaster.com/

I remember someone looking for drawings.  This
might help.

Steve


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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:05:11 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] TCON.net>
Message-ID: <958698722.20040806120511 [at] TCON.net>
Subject: I need help in Florida, please

Howdy all!

I just got off the phone with a nice fellow in central Florida that
is seeking information concerning video projection, sound, and
lighting equipment for budget planning for his church.

In the interest of preserving his e-mail inbox, I'll not post contact
information here, but if you are in or regularly service his area in
central Florida, kindly contact me off-list and I'll pass along the
pertinent contact information to you.  Since "foreign" e-mail goes
directly to my junk mail bin, please use the "I need help in Florida,
please" subject line so I'll be able to find your message among the
opportunities to get rich without working and cheap pharmaceuticals
from Canada....

Best regards,
 Frank E. Merrill
 MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
 Established 1946
 Indianapolis  
 317: 255 4666

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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Anti Cellular wallpaper
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:58:41 -0700

I saw something this morning (tomorrow morning)  In the Sydney Morning 
Herald, tech section  http://www.smh.com.au/
that described wallpaper that passively would block cellular, and Wi-Fi 
signals.

How 'bout we paper the town?

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile



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Message-ID: <20040807035330.24227.qmail [at] web14104.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Life Plans

Frank Merrill writes:

>June, Are you the same great lady that was involved
>in theatre in Indianapolis some years ago?  My
>goodness...those were the days!


I'm afraid the only time(s) I've been in Indy have
been with a touring show. 3 times in the last 5
years,in fact, but never before that. Hard to imagine
that there is someone else out there with the same
name, but stranger things have happened...

June Abernathy
IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
FOH Electrician
The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)



		
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From: William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
Subject: Re: Best Boy
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:20:56 -0700


On Aug 6, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Steve Bailey wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" <rfinkels [at] msn.com>
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:41 AM
> Subject: Best Boy
>
>> I'd still like to find out more about the evolution of the 
>> terminology. I
>> believe "Gaffer" relates to the field of glass blowing, but I have 
>> never
>> heard a good explanation of how it came into  such different film 
>> use. (I
>> love those word origin things)
>
> The best explanation I heard (can't remember where) was the Gaffer was 
> the
> guy with the "Gaff" hook (from a boat) that was used to raise and 
> lower the
> gas level on gas street lamps, for outside shots, presumably
>
> Steve Bailey
> Brooklyn  College

I've always heard tell of similar.  Gaffer and Best Boy loosely related 
to sailing, i.e. the person who used the Gaffing pole/Gaff Hook on a 
boat, and Best Boy was something like "Best Mate", meaning a key 
assistant.

--
William McLachlan
willy [at] wmld.com, http://www.wmld.com
"a) faster  b) cheaper  c) better.  Choose any two."
--


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From: "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
Subject: StagehandTools.com?
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 05:29:04 -0400
Organization: Duck's Echo Sound
Message-ID: <00e501c47c60$fbc0aeb0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss>

Hey gang,
Does anybody know what happened to StagehandTools.com? I hadn't been by
in a while, and just attempted to check out what was new and got a big
fat error message that no such site could be found. Did it go out of
business?

--Andy

P.S.-No, I don't mean ToolsforStagecraft.com, that's still there, and as
highly priced as always :o)

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