Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4102848; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:00:30 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #97 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:00:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, INFO_TLD,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,REMOVE_PAGE,URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #97 1. Re: Rigger fall in London by 2. Re: Attaching facing to platforms by "Paul Schreiner" 3. Source 4 spots? by Stefanie Christensen 4. Re: Source 4 spots? by "Alf Sauve" 5. Re: Source 4 spots? by Shawn Palmer 6. Re: Source 4 spots? by Stephen Litterst 7. Re: Source 4 spots? by Shawn Palmer 8. Re: Source 4 spots? by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Re: Source 4 spots? by "Sarah Clausen" 10. Re: Source 4 spots? by Greg Persinger 11. Re: Rigger fall in London by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 12. Re: stinky paint by Fred Fisher 13. Re: Source 4 spots? by Shawn Palmer 14. Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Paul Schreiner" 15. Re: neon and dimming fluorescents by "Karl G. Ruling" 16. Re: gaffer by Fred Fisher 17. website reminders by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 18. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Michael Banvard" 19. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Paul Schreiner" 20. Re: website reminders by Charlie Richmond 21. Link checker (was website reminders) by "Steven Haworth" 22. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Nigel Worsley" 23. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Paul Schreiner" 24. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Michael Banvard" 25. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Paul Schreiner" 26. Re: Web & Domain hosting by Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions 27. Re: stinky paint by "Frank E. Merrill" 28. Re: OTR Again by 29. Re: college vs union & Matt G. by Paul Puppo 30. Re: Source 4 spots? by Paul Puppo 31. Best Boy by 32. Re: Best Boy by Richard Niederberg 33. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "John Gibilisco" 34. Cyclorama conundrum by Ljhnsn386 [at] aol.com 35. Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) by "Jason" 36. Re: website reminders by Noah Price *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Rigger fall in London Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 8:11:15 -0400 Message-Id: <20040809121115.KOSA28482.de-fe02.dejazzd.com [at] de-fe02> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3543530.stm found this on google. Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Attaching facing to platforms Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC08 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > What methods do you folks on the list use > to attach facings to parallel platforms on > caster plates. I prefer something that > is easy to attach, yet I want to avoid ugly > wear to the face. Velcro always worked for me. Depending on what material you're using = for facing and the quality of the velcro, you may need to reinforce the = adhesive on the facing (and use a staple gun on the framing side). We = used to run a full strip along the framing with smaller tabs on the = facing material (like inch-long pieces spaced every foot or so). ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <39A045FA-EA11-11D8-B38B-000A9582D34C [at] charlestonstage.com> From: Stefanie Christensen Subject: Source 4 spots? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:34:30 -0400 Hello All! Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My question is what accessories are needed and required to do this conversion and were is a good place to look for them. I know there is some type of swivel base for movement and a heat resistent handle that mounts on the back. What other fun things are there to try? How do I ensure smooth movement. Please respond off list to be sure I get your answers. Thanks Stefanie P Christensen Technical Director Charleston Stage Company 19 Warren Street Charleston SC 29403 (843)577-0868 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0e4501c47e21$ffaa06d0$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Source 4 spots? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:02:28 -0400 How about and iris and a shutter? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefanie Christensen" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Source 4 spots? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello All! > > Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past > and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My > question is what accessories are needed and required to do this > conversion and were is a good place to look for them. I know there is > some type of swivel base for movement and a heat resistent handle that > mounts on the back. What other fun things are there to try? How do I > ensure smooth movement. > > Please respond off list to be sure I get your answers. > Thanks > > Stefanie P Christensen > Technical Director > Charleston Stage Company > 19 Warren Street > Charleston SC 29403 > > (843)577-0868 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <411793BF.9020109 [at] northnet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:09:51 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Source 4 spots? References:

> > Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past > > and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My > > question is what accessories are needed and required to do this > > conversion and were is a good place to look for them. I know there is > > some type of swivel base for movement and a heat resistent handle that > > mounts on the back. What other fun things are there to try? How do I > > ensure smooth movement. > > > > Please respond off list to be sure I get your answers. As Alf said, there is an iris unit. While you can get spot yokes for the Source4 from City Theatrical, I've always had pretty good luck loosening the pan bolt (jesus nut, F**kit nut). We usually replace the tiny square bolt with a thumbscrew so that operators can lock off if they need to. If you'll be doing tons of color changing, then it might be worth renting a boomerang. If you'll only be doing a few changes, paper frames (again from City Theatrical) make everything much quieter. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41179B0D.9020202 [at] northnet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:41:01 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Source 4 spots? References:

In-Reply-To: >>Hello All! >> >>Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past >>and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My >>question is what accessories are needed and required to do this >>conversion and were is a good place to look for them. I know there is >>some type of swivel base for movement and a heat resistent handle that >>mounts on the back. What other fun things are there to try? How do I >>ensure smooth movement. >> >>Please respond off list to be sure I get your answers. >>Thanks >> >>Stefanie P Christensen One other thought (I hit send too soon)... I always thought City Theatrical was a bit pricey. The list prices follow: Follow Spot Yoke 535.00 Balancer for Followspot Yoke 261.00 Drop-in Boomerang 262.50 Boomerang Handle 62.95 Source Four Iris 124.50 TOTAL: $1245.95 You'll also need the fixture, of course, so if you want it to always be a followspot that will add another $300. Admittedly, the price is list, but you'd be able to buy a followspot for that kind of money. I decided not to do this when I looked into it, but it was because I didn't really need the small size, etc. For certain things, they really work well. If I had to do it I'd fabricate the yoke and handle and buy only the things that would be tough to fabricate. Shawn ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Source 4 spots? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC0A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: spirch [at] charlestonstage.com (Stefanie Christensen) > Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past=20 > and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My=20 > question is what accessories are needed and required to do this=20 > conversion and were is a good place to look for them. I know=20 > there is=20 > some type of swivel base for movement and a heat resistent=20 > handle that=20 > mounts on the back. What other fun things are there to try? =20 Well, I haven't done this with a S4...but if you're looking for a DIY = type of conversion, you could do what we did ages ago when we needed = four small spots in a small space (we used 6x16s, IIRC). Toss in an iris. If you want operator dimming control rather than control from the board, = you'll have to add some sort of household dimmer inline. If you do this = and you're plugging in to the dimmer rack for the available circuit, = you'll want to set those particular circuits as non-dims at the board in = order to control them reliably from the spots themselves (and not fry = the new dimmers). Get a bunch of divers' weights and an assortment of big hose clamps. = And some 8-12" lengths of 1" dowel for the handle. Clamp the dowel to = the fixture and the weights to either the base of the dowel or the back = of the fixture (you may not need to do this with S4s, depending on = balance issues). Find an operator and you should be good to go... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Source 4 spots? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: <0B70E9798A3B4E4080E46327FA359F21052073 [at] MIDL-MAILV.etclink.net> From: "Sarah Clausen" Cc: spirch [at] charlestonstage.com (Stefanie Christensen) Stephanie wrote: Hello All! Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past=20 and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My=20 question is what accessories are needed and required to do this=20 conversion and were is a good place to look for them. And I reply: I've done this a number of times with a fixture yoke-down and yoke-up. I can highly recommend the City Theatrical Follow Sopt Handle. I've never needed a boomerang for the shows I've done, but I have had up to 7 kids at a time in the FOH position operating S4-Followspots. The last time I did this, I contacted a local bearing manufacturer/distributor to find a bearing that would fit between the yoke and the clamp of the fixture. Using a bearing means all bolts are secure on the fixture and the movement is very smooth. (Loosiening the set screw on the hook sometimes works, but I have found that smoothness of movement is a direct function of the vintage of the fixture + the abuse that screw and clamp shaft have taken in the past. I haven't had much luck finding fixtures that don't hang up at a certain spot in their pan movement due to over-eager electricians really tightening down that bolt...)If you go this route, you will be best served by bringing a fixture with you to the bearing guys. It will help to ensure you get a bearing that can take the side loading the fixture will exert. I've done productions where there were a lot of follow spots, but the intention was to have "local key light" for the performers without a lot of cover-the-stage frontlight. In both situations where I did this, all the S4-Followspots were fitted with "leaf vignette" gobos at a really soft focus instead of an iris. The edge of the followspot melted into the surrounding scenery. A very nice subtle effect. Hope that helps! Sarah Sarah Clausen Product Manager Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:49:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Source 4 spots? From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello, Shawn is correct that you could buy a good budget line followspot for less money than outfitting a source 4. Check out Lycian 1212 Midget II as it has a street price of around $800. It is a budget line followspot but would still work better than a S4 Spot. Although I saw the spot at LDI last year, Lycian is sending me a unit to demo and review for a magazine article I am writing. If anyone is interested in my results I will be happy to share once I get the product. Good Luck. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Rigger fall in London Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c47e28$cb9d1ec0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: And there was also another club fire. It seems, with much facts, that there are incidents and learning about them may assist in deterring others from occurring. doom ==================================================== A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. 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Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of gbierly [at] dejazzd.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:11 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Rigger fall in London For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3543530.stm found this on google. Greg Bierly Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:04:47 -0500 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: stinky paint In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040809110120.02027c50 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: >and although some of the smell has gone it still >stinks. Any suggestions welcome. > >Thanks >Roger Harrison >T.D. Aztec High School The low tech step I would try would be to wash the walls with diluted bleach, making sure there was plenty of ventilation. If that doesn't work, the only solution I see beyond that is priming with a good hiding primer like BIN, then repainting with new paint. Watch out for mildewcide additives, they are quite toxic. Fred ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4117A38C.2060205 [at] northnet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:17:16 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Source 4 spots? References: In-Reply-To: > Although I saw the spot at LDI last year, Lycian is sending me a unit to > demo and review for a magazine article I am writing. If anyone is interested > in my results I will be happy to share once I get the product. > > Good Luck. > > Greg Persinger > Vivid Illumination > I'd love to hear the results. Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Subject: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC0C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" My first project here is to come up with a somewhat simple = easy-to-put-together-year-to-year approach to a set for the annual Greek = play done at RMWC. Right now, the design is calling for (among other things) three = platforms: two narrow, stationary ones on the sides of the playing = area; and one wider platform that can roll out for a tableau reveal (or = to extend the playing area DS). At the moment, I am leaning towards a scaffolding-type framework for all = of these. Right now, my single sticking point is trying to find a = particular piece of hardware. The plan is to use V-grooved casters and allow the casters to roll = directly on the pipe understructure, but all the pipe couplings I've = found so far extend entirely around the pipe...which makes rolling the = casters over the entire length of pipe difficult at best. Does anyone on list either carry or know who might carry a fitting that = attaches to the end of a pipe and looks a little like this: _ _ | | | | | | | | \ \ / / \ \_____/ / | | | | |_________| I'm thinking that the bottom portion can be set-screwed onto the top of = a vertical structural piece, and that the guides for the grooved casters = can just sit in the saddle portion. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:27:15 -0400 Subject: Re: neon and dimming fluorescents Message-ID: <41176DA3.24177.C05221 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: Judy quoted and wrote: > Neon works fine with ordinary dimmers, I've done that a lot - both > with the neon-sign type which require high voltage transformers, and > with the tiny bulbs that used to be used as indicators before leds > came in. I don't know why it works though when fluorescents don't, > since I gather the principle behind any discharge lamp is the same. > Anybody out there know why? I thought it might be becauseof the high > operating voltage, but the tiny indicator lamps didn't have that. > > I used dimmable fluorescents a few times, in a couple of operas and > recently in a play. The ones I used are built by a local lighting > supplier. No winking, the fade up and down was just fine. A bit more > of a problem getting a true graduation of intensity around the middle. > One ballast costs around 100 dollars here and will support 56 watts of > lamps. Neon costs a lot more. Maybe in the US it's different. It is different in the US. Dimming fluorescent lights (running them in general) is a lot easier when the line voltage is above 220V. It's a lot harder to get dimming down to 0% with 120V, although it can be done. See below. Your experience with dimming neons is interesting. I wouldn't count on it working all the time. I would imagine that a neon tube transformer looks like an inductive load to a dimmer. The dimmer will handle it if it's designed for inductive loads, or if it (fortunately for you) uses SCRs rather than triacs and applies a trigger current to the gate of the power device through the entire desired conduction interval or has a snubber circuit (small capacitor/resistor network) on it that happens to work with that inductive load. Keith Arsenault wrote: > speaking of dimable fluorescents, > doesn't the MET use fluorescents for cyc ? > who can tell us more about these , who makes them, how they are set up, , > etc etc ? > ( the last time I was backstage at the MET was before the dimming / > control modifcations, so it's been a while ) They were a custom design by Steve Skirpan. They use phase control dimming, but he designed the system so that there is a very short, high voltage spike on the front of the current waveform to initiate the arc. I have no idea if they are still in use, but that's what they had when I wrote about dimming fluorescents for Lighting Dimensions about ten years ago. Matthew Kopans wrote > Tom Pearl from Center Stage once showed a bunch of us how to work > dimmable flourescence. You need a dimmable balast of course. The > trick to a smooth fade(as I recall - it was 5 years ago) is to have a > unified ground plane. That is, connect your two leads behind the tube > before you ground it. For some reason this smooths the dimming. He's > even done it with a strip of mylar tape on the back of a tube. I presume the above was done with a magnetic ballast. Most theatrical fluorescent dimming rigs I've seen use magnetic ballasts, and not electronic. The problem with dimming at low levels is that the voltage developed at small phase angles is too low to get the current to flow all the way from the electrode at one end of the tube to the electrode at the other end to ionize the gas. However, if you look at a circuit diagram for a fluorescent lamp and magnetic ballast, you'll see that the electrode at one end of the tube is connected to the neutral power conductor, which is at ground potential. So, with a magnetic ballast, if you have a ground plane very close to the tube, there is enough capacitive coupling through the glass between the electrode above ground and the ground plane to ionize the gas near that electrode. That's enough to get the arc started and the ionization propagates down to the end of the tube to the electrode that is connected to the neutral. If you look at the instructions for just about any magnetic fluorescent ballast, the instructions will say that there needs to be a ground plane within about 1/8" (3 mm) of the tube wall. If you don't have this, the lamp may not start--period. Reducing that spacing to zero makes a significant difference in the low-level operation of the tube and also greatly improves the tube's starting behavior at low temperatures. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:32:35 -0500 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: gaffer In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040809113109.0202c468 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> > >Many years ago I claimed on the list that the lighting term "Cookie" >(similar effect as a gobo) comes from "Cukaloris" (not in dispute). I >learned many years ago though from a film journal article profiling the >man who coined that term usage that the term Cukaloris came from a >character in a fairy tale. Someone on the list then challenged me for the >particulars. Anyone remember? > >Well I'm sorry to admit that after tearing apart my collections multiple >times I can't find the blasted article that started this all. So the >challenge is to see if anyone else can find reference to the Cukaloris as >a fairy tale character. Alas as is often the case, I may be spelling the >term wrong here.....but just to confuse things > >RF Google the term and you come up with all sorts of interesting articles. Fred ------------------------------ From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: website reminders Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: Since the topic of websites has come up I think I will use this opportunity to make an appeal that I have made before, but at least two years ago so the appeal may be fresh to most. Many of you have websites. Many of you work for theatre institutions with websites Many of these are Universities. Here is a plea for you along with some hints: As you all know I manage Artslynx which links to over 27,000 resources online. Alas I have no staff and no funding and like you all have competition for my time. In the past few years Artslynx was beset with a horrible number of bad links. Artslynx has not been alone in this. All of the theatre directories have had this problem of late. In my case I finally found some software that automates the process of searching out the bad links and even removing them. But here's the problem. Universities especially seem to take delight in changing their page addresses for their departments about every month or two. Seriously, every 3 months my link page of University Dance Departments is beset by another 10% of links gone bad. I do not know if you all realize what a disadvantage such address changes puts you in any kind of online listings. With the billions of web pages out there it could take 6 monts of more for the search engines to catch your address change, and the many directories with hand selected links will either still have your bad link, or will just delink you. To demonstarte this at various universities I have worked at I have used a utiility to calculate how many folks link in to a website. I would show how the old address had a hundred or so links in....but the new address took the count to ZERO. So please folks. If your address changes because you finally got your own domain mane great! This may then mean permanance in address....but even so you will lose traffic for a while. Otherwise address changes seem mostly to be for the convenience of the webmaster. Fine if that is more important tyhan surfers being able to find you! That said, here are a few more hints. . . Acronyms are great YOU may know that "UC" stands for University of Cincinnati (an arbitrary example) but surfers may think you are the "University of Calcutta" I also find many theatre companies, universities, and even businesses that seem to think it is an insult to tell folks where they are located! Why would I want to come to a theatre without even knowing what country it is in! I suggest putting contact info on the home page if not on every page. Think of your pages as your letter head. Speaking of which, my suggestion is to place names of actual humans as contact info and not just "webmaster". Related to the acronym advice, you won't believe how many folks leave the name of their org off their webpage! To me this is stupid plain and simple. Even if you do include the org or individual's name, it is important to have it somewhere on the page in a nice size, in text. If the company name is simply a graphic logo, it will be impossible for the search engines to index your page. I have many other hints but those above are the ones that really bug me and would set your institution far far back in the web index placement wars. Do yell at your webmasters if your pages are guilty. Richard Finkelstein ------------------------------ From: "Michael Banvard" Subject: RE: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:11:56 -0500 Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest Message-ID: <002501c47e33$fccf9170$6501a8c0 [at] Gelert> In-Reply-To: > The plan is to use V-grooved casters and allow the casters to > roll directly on the pipe understructure, but all the pipe > couplings I've found so far extend entirely around the > pipe...which makes rolling the casters over the entire length > of pipe difficult at best. Instead of looking for couplers that are premanufactured, why don't you try connecting the pipes using shop made internal sleeves? Use your Backstage Handbook to get the proper pipe size to fit inside of the main pipe. Through bolt, and you've got it, and it can be disassembled. As far as vertical supports, a piece of angle iron can become a saddle, and use can use any number of varieties of strap to keep the frame connected with the support. You could also look into through bolting into the vertical, or up from the vertical, by overdrilling on the top to recess the bolt head. Or again you could make a C of angle iron, and then through bolt horizontally. Your V-groove casters should leave just enough clearance. Let me know if it helps. The mind continues to stew on this one. - Michael Banvard. Michael J. Banvard SRI Midwest Saint Louis, Missouri (866) 773-1174 (314) 629-3644 (314) 773-1174 fax http://www.sapsis-rigging.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:28:35 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC0E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Instead of looking for couplers that are premanufactured, why=20 > don't you > try connecting the pipes using shop made internal sleeves? Use your > Backstage Handbook to get the proper pipe size to fit inside=20 > of the main > pipe. Through bolt, and you've got it, and it can be disassembled. Der. Goes to show why I need to wait til the coffee kicks in on Monday = morning before I tackle things like this...hadn't even thought of = internal couplings. But that's kinda beside the point. This is a project that is only = tangentially related to the theatre department (in that they're using = our shop and our guidance). And since I just started here, I have no = idea what sort of skill set the incumbent crew has; I was hoping to get = as much of this done in plug-and-play fashion as possible to avoid = having to teach too many people too many things for the time allotted. Thanks for the inverted angle iron idea though, as that'd make a better = track for the grooved casters... > Let me know if it helps. The mind continues to stew on this one. I'm gonna be stewing much of the afternoon... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:01:23 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: website reminders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, RICHARD FINKELSTEIN wrote: > there it could take 6 monts of more for the search engines to catch your > address change, and the many directories with hand selected links will either > still have your bad link, or will just delink you. > > To demonstarte this at various universities I have worked at I have used a > utiility to calculate how many folks link in to a website. I would show how > the old address had a hundred or so links in....but the new address took the > count to ZERO. > > So please folks. If your address changes because you finally got your own > domain mane great! This may then mean permanance in address....but even so > you will lose traffic for a while. Otherwise address changes seem mostly to > be for the convenience of the webmaster. Fine if that is more important tyhan > surfers being able to find you! This is all very good information! Is there a specific format for telling search engines what the preferred domain name is for your site when there is currently more than one domain name that applies? Especially when most of the 3rd party links still refer to an 'old' name that you want to eventually get rid of? Thanks! Charlie ------------------------------ Subject: Link checker (was website reminders) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <721DC9EE550F834A92EC08BDC332B0EE016080A2 [at] trader.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" Best link checker I know of, and it's free: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html As many of you know, my site has an extensive list of lighting links, = and I do check them from time-to-time using Xenu. I agree w/Richard - = it's a pain to find the new addresses when they change. On my site, I = always try to locate a new address (Google, or URL-editing) when an old = one stops working. I succeed about 75% of the time. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-ID: <140d01c47e49$755d7cf0$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:45:42 +0100 Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > My first project here is to come up with a somewhat simple easy-to-put-together-year-to-year approach to a set for the annual > Greek play done at RMWC. > > Right now, the design is calling for (among other things) three platforms: two narrow, stationary ones on the sides of the > playing area; and one wider platform that can roll out for a tableau reveal (or to extend the playing area DS). > > At the moment, I am leaning towards a scaffolding-type framework for all of these. Right now, my single sticking point is trying > to find a particular piece of hardware. > > The plan is to use V-grooved casters and allow the casters to roll directly on the pipe understructure, but all the pipe > couplings I've found so far extend entirely around the pipe...which makes rolling the casters over the entire length of pipe > difficult at best. Something like this? http://www.presco.co.uk/scaffolding/images/view/0700_400.jpg Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC0F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Something like this?=20 http://www.presco.co.uk/scaffolding/images/view/0700_400.jpg Yes! That's exactly what I have in mind...now I just have to find an = American supplier... ------------------------------ From: "Michael Banvard" Subject: RE: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:55:21 -0500 Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest Message-ID: <002601c47e4a$d086c770$6501a8c0 [at] Gelert> In-Reply-To: Paul, Not to put a damper on things, but the clamp is likely not load rated. With one bolt, it has not stability for supporting platforming. This looks like a clamp for temporary railing. Any load will be transmitted through the bolt to the end of a piece of pipe. Sort of like scissors. - Michael. Michael J. Banvard SRI Midwest Saint Louis, Missouri (866) 773-1174 (314) 629-3644 (314) 773-1174 fax http://www.sapsis-rigging.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:59:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC10 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Not to put a damper on things, but the clamp is likely not load rated. > With one bolt, it has not stability for supporting platforming. This > looks like a clamp for temporary railing. Any load will be=20 > transmitted > through the bolt to the end of a piece of pipe. Sort of like=20 > scissors. Understood...but I'm not worried about the coupler itself being = load-rated, as the weight is going to be borne by the supporting = structure. I just need something like that to keep the caster guide = pipes in place. If I can find someone on this side of the pond that carries or makes = something reasonably similar, I'll be sure to find out what sort of = loads it can bear... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040809163946.0158d628 [at] www.looksolutions.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:50:24 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions Subject: Re: Web & Domain hosting In-Reply-To: References: I use and can recommend without hesitation http://www.icdsoft.com/ $60/yr. gets you everything you need, including domain name registration. Their setup instructions are very well written - short/simple yet complete - great for beginner and experienced user alike. Anyway that's my 2 cents . . . Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Look Solutions USA, Ltd. 114 W. Third St., Waynesboro, PA 17268 Phone: 1-800-426-4189 Fax: 1-717-762-7366 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutions.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:02:18 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1153291464.20040809160218 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re: stinky paint In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy! Saturday, August 07, 2004, Roger Harrison wrote: RH> Ok all you painting types, I have a stinky problem. As with the others, I would guess the offending paint to be Iddings or similar casein-type paint that employs a medium that is organic and not unlike cheese. When microbes fall out of the atmosphere and settle onto the surface of the concentrated paste, such wee beasties will devour the organic compounds in the [aint paste and multiply accordingly. The resulting odor is, as Roger attests, pretty gross. First, inspect your paint can before opening it. If it appears to be swollen do NOT open it. Your paint supplier should be willing to replace a swollen can without charge if you can reasonably demonstrate that the can had never been opened. If the wee beasties have done their damage after you have already used some of the paste, make a careful march to the nearest dumpster and give the can the respect it deserves. Assuming you have opened good paint cans and generated breathtaking scenery, smoosh down the surface of the remaining paste in the can so it is reasonably flat and then float about half a teaspoon of Lysol or similar household disinfectant on the surface of the paste and then tap the lid into place securely. The disinfectant will keep the wee beasties under control while the paint paste slumbers peacefully until the next need arises. The modest amount of disinfectant will not affect the remaining paste in the can. So far as I am aware, such microbiological trickery does NOT apply to paint paste that has been diluted with water. My experience has been that, when diluted, the pigment and binder settles out so quickly that the resulting bucket of goo and water doesn't grow stinky stuff. In the likely event that I am incorrect, a squirt of disinfectant should solve the odiferous problem. If you have already applied tainted paint and now wonder where the soiled diaper is hiding, the best response is to find other employment. Barring that, washing the affected surfaces with diluted bleach should eliminate the wee beasties' effects. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v2.10.1 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: OTR Again Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:14:14 -0400 Message-Id: <20040809231415.JXMP20378.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net> >And you're not stopping in Indy this weekend for the NASCAR Brickyard >400 or the United States National girls-under-18 Fast Pitch Softball >Tournament? It's a money making trip, not a money spending trip. P.S. If I'm at Indy, it's an F-1 weekend. No interest in folks who don't turn right. Ya know, I DO owe you a visit. Unfortunately, I'm getting treated to german food and golf in Peoria, IL this week. Back to Memphis on Thursday, and driving back to Tucson over the weekend. Big Fred, thanks for the visit! I'm not sure when I'm back through Dallas, but I'll be in touch. Probably sometime Sunday. And your space is pretty nice. Great mix position and that back wall isn't that bad. Thank Emmanuael for me! CB MON IL OTR ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: college vs union & Matt G. Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:04:21 -0700 On Aug 5, 2004, at 6:15 PM, Chris Warner wrote: > I am planning a transfer to San Diego State University this year Well Chris, say HI! to Beeb, and Nick, Craig, and Loren for me. Great bunch of guys! You'll learn a lot from each of them. As for going to school and joining the union, I went to SDSU, more years ago than I care to remember, and now that I've gotten my auxilury card through local #16 San Francisco, I think that if I had to take all the apprentice classes I think I would be very prepared from all the stagecraft classes I took in school. Also the people you work with in school/college/university/ are going to go off and become electricians, carpenters, designers and directors all over the country, and will need to hire workers/designers at some point, AND you won't have to describe what you've done before to these people. They will already have an idea of your work, which we all hope is good. Having that built-in network of contacts will help you out latter in life/work. I do wish someone had explained to me, at the time, though, that if you plan on joining the union and taking advantage of the retirement benefits, the math works out MUCH better if you join, and pay into it, from the time you're 20, than from the time you're 40. Having the security and benefits right now while I'm working is great, but I wish I will have been paying into the system for longer than I think I have left in my career. If you do both school and union they will compliment each other. Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING 547 Green Street San Francisco, CA 94133-3905 (415) 397-8776 phone/fax http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com mailto:Paul [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <7693D611-EA60-11D8-8FB9-000A95823EDA [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com> Cc: spirch [at] charlestonstage.com (Stefanie Christensen) From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Source 4 spots? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:01:43 -0700 I've always wanted to use "Trust Bearings" (try http://wwwMcMaster.com) in between the yoke bolt and the yoke and between the yoke and the C-clamp. That would make it very tight (read: no wobble), and still have lots of freedom of movement for the pan axis. Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING 547 Green Street San Francisco, CA 94133-3905 (415) 397-8776 phone/fax http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com mailto:Paul [at] Nifty-Gadgets.com On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:34 AM, Stefanie Christensen wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello All! > > Using a Source 4 as a Follow Spot. I have seen this done in the past > and want to try it for an upcoming production of Aint Misbehavin. My > question is what accessories are needed and required to do this > conversion and were is a good place to look for them. I know there is > some type of swivel base for movement and a heat resistent handle that > mounts on the back. What other fun things are there to try? How do I > ensure smooth movement. > > Please respond off list to be sure I get your answers. > Thanks > > Stefanie P Christensen > Technical Director > Charleston Stage Company > 19 Warren Street > Charleston SC 29403 > > (843)577-0868 > > ------------------------------ From: Subject: Best Boy Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:26:24 -0400 Message-Id: <20040809232625.JEJD18674.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net> >Since the DP is such a >massive position now, the bulk of the lighting responsibility has fallen by >now to the Gaffer with the Best Boy now assuming more of what the Gaffer had >been doing earlier in the industry (ie the Master Electrician work. Of >course sine film is all about light exposure, the Director of Photography >still retains the overall ultimate responsibility. The director says what he wants to see on the screen. The DP says what can happen given the location and the available kit. Once they agree, the DP tells the Gaffer what he wants to see through the lens. The Gaffer tells the Key Grip what he needs to amek it happen, and what he wants where and how. The Key tells the Grip/Electricians what to get and what to place where and how. During the process, the DP and the Gaffer will discuss what works and what needs to change, and what problems have been caused by thier original plan, revising it as they go. The Best Boy tends to be in charge of the gear coming off the grip truck, keeping track of what goes where and how and where it comes back, and what expendables are being billed and need replacing. Sometimes. Depending on how many folk are on the crew, where the shooting is taking place, what kind of budget or union is on the call, these may cross a bit, or some positions may be melded into one guys gig. MOS is a mystery. All the stories that you have heard are rumours and Olde Pharte tales. "Mit Out Sound" is a cute one, "Minus Optical Sound" is another story. Its like the c-47 mystery. No-one has ever been able to give me a "No sh*t, there I was" story. CB MON IL OTR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:38:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Best Boy Message-ID: <20040809.173926.708.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg CB, "c-47" is not a mystery as long as you recognize that the Mil-spec designation for a standard size wooden clothespin with a steel spring used to hang the laundry of military dependants residing in base housing is 'C-47'. /s/Richard > Its like the c-47 mystery. No-one has ever been able to > give me a "No sh*t, there I was" story. > CB ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00b901c47e79$84593d40$0200a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References: Subject: Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:29:44 -0500 > Something like this? http://www.presco.co.uk/scaffolding/images/view/0700_400.jpg Yes! That's exactly what I have in mind...now I just have to find an American supplier... Looks like a "end rail clamp" from a chain link fence structure to me. They come in a number of sizes and are around two bucks a piece. John Gibilisco Omaha Playhouse www.omahaplayhouse.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:53:13 -0400 From: Ljhnsn386 [at] aol.com Subject: Cyclorama conundrum Message-ID: <23E0D5D0.1FD1C6B1.0262BA9E [at] aol.com> VW0uLi5oaSwgdGhlcmUuLi5MYXVyaWUsIHRoZSBsdXJrZXIgaGVyZS4gIEhhdmUgZW5qb3ll ZCB5b3VyIHdpdCBhbmQga25vd2xlZGdlIGZvciBhYm91dCBhIHllYXIgbm93LiAgR290IGEg Y3ljbG9yYW1hIHByb2JsZW0gdGhhdCBJIG5lZWQgaGVscCB0cnlpbmcgdG8gc29sdmUuICBJ IHRlYWNoIGEgcGxheSBwcm9kdWN0aW9uIGNsYXNzICh0aGUgYmFja3N0YWdlIHBhcnQgb2Yg ZG9pbmcgYSBwbGF5KSBhdCBhIGhpZ2ggc2Nob29sIGluIHdlc3Rlcm4gQ29sb3JhZG8uICBJ IGFtIGxvb2tpbmcgdG8gZmluZCBhIHdheSB0byBzb2x2ZSBvdXIgcHJvYmxlbSB3aXRoIG91 ciBjeWMncyBzdG9yYWdlIHN5c3RlbS4gIFdoZW4gdGhlIHNjaG9vbCB3YXMgYnVpbHQgaW4g MTk3MiwgaXQgd2FzIG5vdCBkZXNpZ25lZCB3aXRoIGEgcmVhbCBhdWRpdG9yaXVtIGluIG1p bmQuICBJbiBmYWN0LCB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBhdWRpdG9yaXVtIHVzZWQgdG8gYmUgYSBzY2ll bmNlIGxlY3R1cmUgaGFsbCB3aXRoIGdhcyBsaW5lcyBhbmQgd2F0ZXIgbGluZXMgcnVubmlu ZyB1bmRlciB0aGUgc3RhZ2UgYW5kLi4ud2VsbCwgaXQncyBhbGwgdG9vIGRldGFpbGVkIHRv IGdvIGludG8uICBBbnlob3csIHdlIGhhdmUgbm8gZmx5IHNwYWNlLCBzbyB0aGUgY3ljIGlz IGhhbmQtIHdpbmNoZWQgZG93biBsaWtlIGEgUm9tYW4gc2hhZGUuICBUaGUgZGlmZmVyZW5j ZSBpcyB0aGUgY3ljIGlzIGluLWJldHdlZW4gdGhlIGNhYmxlcyBvbiBlaXRoZXIgc2lkZSBv ZiB0aGUgcG9sZSB0aGF0IHJvbGxzIGRvd24gYW5kIHdlaWdocyBkb3duIHRoZSBjeWMgdG8g Z2l2ZSBpdCB0aGF0IHRhdXQgc2t5IGVmZmVjdC4gIFRoZSBwcm9ibGVtIGlzIHRoZSBwaXBl IGlzIG1heWJlIDEvOCBpbmNoIHN0ZWVsLCA0OCBmZWV0IDggaW5jaGVzIGxvbmcsIGFuZCAz IGluY2hlcyBkaWFtZXRlci4gIFRoZSBwb2xlIGlzIG5vdCBzdXBwb3J0ZWQgaW4gdGhlIGNl bnRlciwgc28gaXQgc2FncyBhbmQgdGhlIHdlaWdodCBvZiB0aGUgcG9sZSB0ZWFycyB0aGUg Y3ljIHVwIGF0IHRoZSB0b3AgbGVmdCBhbmQgcmlnaHQgYXQgdGhlIGJ1Y2tyYW0uICBJIGhh dmUgbG9va2VkIGludG8gb3RoZXIgcG9zc2libGUgZGVsaXZlcnkgc3lzdGVtcywgYnV0IHRo aXMgb25lLCBhcyBmbGF3ZWQgYXMgaXQgaXMsIHNlZW1zIHRvIHdvcmsgYmVzdCBmb3Igb3Vy IGxpbWl0YXRpb25zIChJIHRoaW5rKS4gIFdoYXQgSSBhbSBodW50aW5nIGZvciBpcyBhIHdh eSB0byBlaXRoZXIga2VlcCB0aGUgcG9sZSBmcm9tIHNhZ2dpbmcgb3IgZmluZCBhIHR5cGUg b2YgbWV0YWwgdGhhdCBtYXkgc3RpbGwgc2FnIGJ1dCBpcyBsaWdodGVyIGFuZCB3b3VsZCBr ZWVwIHRoZSBjeWMgZnJvbSB0ZWFyaW5nLiAgSSd2ZSBiZWVuIHRvbGQgYSBtaWRkbGUgY2Fi bGUgdG8gc3VwcG9ydCB0aGUgcG9sZSB3b3VsZCBub3Qgd29yay4gIEFueSBzdWdnZXN0aW9u cz8gIFlvdSBtYXkgYW5zd2VyIG9mZi1saXN0IGlmIHlvdSB3YW50LiAgVGhhbmtzIGluIGFk dmFuY2UuCgpMYXVyaWUgSm9obnNvbgpsamhuc24zODZAYW9sLmNvbQpGcnVpdGEgTW9udW1l bnQgSFMgRHJhbWEKRnJ1aXRhLCBDTwo= ------------------------------ From: "Jason" References: Subject: Re: Pipe saddles? (warning: ASCII art) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:41:03 -0700 Message-ID: Miichael..... Its on the ground and pipe it only rated for PSI... Internal load... From: "Michael Banvard" > Not to put a damper on things, but the clamp is likely not load rated. > With one bolt, it has not stability for supporting platforming. This > looks like a clamp for temporary railing. Any load will be transmitted > through the bolt to the end of a piece of pipe. Sort of like scissors. > > - Michael. > > Michael J. Banvard > SRI Midwest > Saint Louis, Missouri > (866) 773-1174 > (314) 629-3644 > (314) 773-1174 fax > http://www.sapsis-rigging.com > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7674558C-EA96-11D8-AF66-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: website reminders Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:28:16 -0700 On Aug 9, 2004, at 9:50 AM, RICHARD FINKELSTEIN wrote: > To demonstarte this at various universities I have worked at I have > used a utiility to calculate how many folks link in to a website. No special utility required... Google will tell you this using the "link:" prefix. For example, I find 107 links searching for: link:artslynx.org On Aug 9, 2004, at 11:01 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > This is all very good information! Is there a specific format for > telling search engines what the preferred domain name is for your site > when there is currently more than one domain name that applies? The best way is an error code 301 redirect from the old link page or directory, since that tells the search engine the site has permanently moved to the new location. This is "Google friendly," while other forms of redirect are often construed as doorway pages or other forms of search engine spam and are penalized. If your site is hosted using Apache, you can redirect this way by creating a file ".htaccess" in the directory where the old page was or at the top directory of the old site: Redirect permanent /old/old_page.html http://www.example.com/new.html Redirect permanent /old/old_directory http://www.example.com/new/ That is how www.theprices.net/lists/stagecraft is sent to stagecraft.theprices.net (stagecraft.theprices.net is actually still on an old Webstar server, but at some point will move to one of my main Apache servers.) Details regarding the Apache "Redirect" directive: > Especially when most of the 3rd party links still refer to an 'old' > name that you want to eventually get rid of? If you don't have control over the old URL location, the redirect won't be possible. Then your best bet is to go engine by engine and submit the new site, and request the old link be deleted or changed on search engines that support that. The rest of the Google page linked above explains more of that. Noah (also prxy Internet Services) -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | Web issues: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | | Web site administrator | Personal: noah [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #97 ****************************