Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4120643; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:00:46 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #99 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, INFO_TLD autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #99 1. 10" Frames up for Grabs by "Hofmann, Christopher" 2. Re: MADE IN MEXICO by Pat Kight 3. Re: Lion King by Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions 4. Re: olio tubes by "Karl G. Ruling" 5. Re: MADE IN MEXICO by Michael Millar 6. Re: MADE IN MEXICO by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 7. Re: Spam by Mark O'Brien 8. Re: MADE IN MEXICO by "Joe Meils" 9. Re: MADE IN MEXICO by Pat Kight 10. Color Mixing and MLs by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: Lion King by "Jon Ares" 12. Re: Color Mixing and MLs by "Steven Haworth" 13. Re: Color Mixing and MLs by "Jason Cowperthwaite" 14. Re: Color Mixing and MLs by "Kacey Fisher" 15. Re: Color Mixing and MLs by "Jason Cowperthwaite" 16. Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 10" Frames up for Grabs Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:28:17 -0400 Message-ID: <56439B09A4ADDC46876BDFF2BBD35DF001C17449 [at] ex1.capecod.edu> From: "Hofmann, Christopher" I have eight 10" standard sandwich type gel frames for which I have no use. They run the gamut from one that looks like it's never been used to a couple that are getting rusty and bent - however, they're all usable. Anyone who is interested in them and is willing to reimburse the cost of shipping (or is looking for a very flimsy excuse for road trip to Cape Cod) can have them - first come, first served. I hate to see them end up in the dumpster if they can find a good home. Christopher Hofmann Technical Director =20 Tilden Arts Center Cape Cod Community College 2240 Iyanough Road West Barnstable, MA 02668 =20 Office 508.362.2131 x4356 Fax 508.375.4113 Box Office 508.375.4044 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <411A2A7A.5090002 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:17:30 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: MADE IN MEXICO References:

In-Reply-To: Noah Price wrote: > In case there was any doubt, chain letters are not tolerated. He won't > be posting again any time soon. Thanks, Noah. As things heat up toward the US presidential election, it would be a blessing if the stagecraft list could remain an oasis of, well, not calm, but at least on-topic theatrical talk and related banter. I don't know about anybody else, but I run into enough political ranting in the rest of my life, on the 'Net and off. I'd like to have at least one set of e-mail I can open without bracing myself for that particular brand of ugliness. -- Pat Kight Albany (Ore.) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040811101023.0146bb18 [at] www.looksolutions.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:20:45 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions Subject: Re: Lion King In-Reply-To: At 07:03 PM 8/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Who's seen the lion king? I'm going on my birthday (20 August), and want >to know if there's any specific absolutely amazing thing to look out for? >So far I've hear mentions of the sunrise and stampede scenes. Being a >sound guy, I'm especially excited to experience Tony Meola's sound design. >Is anyone on the list working the show? I'm not working the show, but supply the water-base hazers (all Lion King shows/tours use our Uniques). So now you'll know what Unique haze looks like. (I know you were losing sleep over that!! :-) Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Look Solutions USA, Ltd. 114 W. Third St., Waynesboro, PA 17268 Phone: 1-800-426-4189 Fax: 1-717-762-7366 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutions.com ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:32:49 -0400 Subject: re: olio tubes Message-ID: <4119F5D1.758.5BBD69 [at] localhost> > I see a roll-drop in your future. This device will use a tube to roll on, > but instead of being on the top, the tube is rolled onto the bottom of the > drop. > > The cyc drop (and you may need a new one) is dead tied to a pipe, like a > normal cyc. > > The tube, perhaps a piece of 6" irrigation tube, will be rolled onto the > bottom of the drop, People always mention irrigation tube when discussing olios. I'd like to remind people of another material: wood. I've always found it easier to get 1X3 than 6" aluminum irrigation tube. Easier to carry, too. Using four lengths of 1X3, it's fairly easy to make an octagonal bottom tube, 6" across from flat to flat. It's not necessary for the bottom tube on an olio to be perfectly round, and it's not necessary for each side of the octagonal tube to be solid, hence the four lengths of 1X3 rather than eight. Also, leaving every other face open makes it easy to fabricate the bottom tube in sections and then bolt or screw them together. The bottom tube doesn't have to be strong as a beam, because the drop supports it along its length, but it does have to resist torque. I once made a round tube by using lots of little strips of wood, as suggested by a classic stagecraft text. It didn't work because the thing would twist. That resulted in the sides of the drop winding up while the center of the drop didn't. It looked like a big, saggy weenie in a bag. Since then, I've always made the bottom tube as an octagon out of 1X3, and it's worked every time. Wood is good! (Although applying flame retardant to it can be a pain.) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <411A3C26.9060001 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:32:54 -0700 From: Michael Millar Cc: dougandlori [at] knology.net Subject: RE: MADE IN MEXICO References: In-Reply-To: Oh, the ignorance and stupidity. I know this is waaay off topic for any stagecraft subject, but since it is in my mailbox, I must respond. I'm not sure how it ended up in the stagecraft list anyway. Heinz has been a GLOBAL company since 1886. Sure, the patriarch started in Pennsylvania, but he moved to London to start the business which then became GLOBAL by setting up office in several countries in the 50's, including 2 in the US. They did not start in the US and move jobs to Mexico, like the right would have you believe. In short, stop spreading lies and half-truths. Read. Think for yourself. And then vote. stepping off soapbox. Michael Millar ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.28907d69.2e4b986d [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:42:37 EDT Subject: Re: MADE IN MEXICO In a message dated 8/11/04 11:33:53 AM, houseomo [at] ix.netcom.com writes: << Read. Think for yourself. And then vote. >> Yes, and in the finest Philly tradition, I plan to vote early and vote often! And don't forget to laugh yourself silly at the absurdity of it all. Bill S. (yes, I know I shouldn't be helping to continue this thread but it's just too hard to resist.) Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <4D2BFDBD-EBB6-11D8-9CB5-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Spam Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:48:41 -0700 Funny If you try to send something to phildqrak [at] mindspring.com there seems to be a spamblocker on that account. Hmmmm. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000c01c47fcd$e75754e0$93ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References:

Subject: Re: MADE IN MEXICO Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:06:18 -0500 Not to mention how impossible it would be to have an industry based of perishable foodstuffs, based in only one country on the globe. The shipping problems would be insurmountable. And I agree. Let's all declare "Stagecraft" a no politics zone. Even though, in RT, I think we've spent more time discussing the subject in bars, than any other. Joe UCA Theatre Conway, AR > Oh, the ignorance and stupidity. I know this is waaay off topic for any > stagecraft subject, but since it is in my mailbox, I must respond. I'm > not sure how it ended up in the stagecraft list anyway. > Heinz has been a GLOBAL company since 1886. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <411A68C7.6060806 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:43:19 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: MADE IN MEXICO References:

In-Reply-To: Joe Meils wrote: > And I agree. Let's all declare "Stagecraft" a no politics zone. Even > though, in RT, I think we've spent more time discussing the subject in bars, > than any other. In bars, at least there are Cold Adult Beverages to buffer the pain ... -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:43:23 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Color Mixing and MLs Message-id: <411A76DB.78D388B0 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts The G-ds of fortune have smiled on us and we have purchased some MLs for use here at Ithaca. I've been trying to find a chart online for CMY values that will get me close to specific gel ##s (just to save time during tech). Several Google searches have yielded plenty of DMX charts, but none relating to specific colors. And yes, I know that results vary from fixture to fixture (our are MAC 600s) but I'm mostly looking for something to get me in the ballpark. Thanks always! Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000001c47fdb$d28ba8f0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Lion King Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:12:59 -0700 > > The best day of the year to have a birthday... Dude! > > From: "mat goebel" > Subject: Lion King > > > > Who's seen the lion king? I'm going on my birthday (20 August), and want Personally, I think August 18 is a much better day to have a birthday. Happy Birthday to us Leos! -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Color Mixing and MLs Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: <721DC9EE550F834A92EC08BDC332B0EE016080B3 [at] trader.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" At your service, sir: Here's a comparision of Rosco to Mac 600: http://www.chrickel.de/frames/knowhow/movinglights/rx600.html I've got other charts linked on my site, under 'Color'. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" Subject: RE: Color Mixing and MLs Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: <004201c47ff6$8c8a4210$1901a8c0 [at] randland> In-Reply-To: Would any of these color charts be useable for plugging into a 3d program to get close to the correct gel color in a rendering? For that matter, has anyone seen a color chart for converting gels into CMY for a computer? Thanks, Jason Cowperthwaite -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steven Haworth Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:16 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Color Mixing and MLs For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At your service, sir: Here's a comparision of Rosco to Mac 600: http://www.chrickel.de/frames/knowhow/movinglights/rx600.html I've got other charts linked on my site, under 'Color'. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Re: Color Mixing and MLs Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: >Would any of these color charts be useable for plugging into a 3d >program to get close to the correct gel color in a rendering? >For that matter, has anyone seen a color chart for converting gels into >CMY for a computer? >Thanks, >Jason Cowperthwaite Jason, VW Spotlight has text files that have the GAM, Lee and Rosco colors. I THINK (not quite sure here) they are the CMY equivalents so when renderworks renders it renders an accurate color. Go to the Spotlight folder\Plug-ins\vw_spotlight\data and you'll see the files. ~Kacey ------------------------------ From: "Jason Cowperthwaite" Subject: RE: Color Mixing and MLs Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: <005101c48027$a619b900$1901a8c0 [at] randland> In-Reply-To: Thanks for the huge tip. It looks like the file format is: Brand color# #1 #2 #3 For example: R 01 65535 40863 36751 Unfortunately, if these are CMY codes, they are encoded as 3 5 digit numbers. I took a look through the menus and I did not see a way to use those codes directly through the program itself. Did I miss something completely? Thanks, Jason Cowperthwaite -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kacey Fisher Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Color Mixing and MLs For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >Would any of these color charts be useable for plugging into a 3d >program to get close to the correct gel color in a rendering? >For that matter, has anyone seen a color chart for converting gels into >CMY for a computer? >Thanks, >Jason Cowperthwaite Jason, VW Spotlight has text files that have the GAM, Lee and Rosco colors. I THINK (not quite sure here) they are the CMY equivalents so when renderworks renders it renders an accurate color. Go to the Spotlight folder\Plug-ins\vw_spotlight\data and you'll see the files. ~Kacey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:50:15 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: London Touristy stuff (off topic -- you've been warned) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Charlie Richmond wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Delbert Hall wrote: > >> I will be in London form Aug. 1 - 15, when are you (Stephen and James) >> going to be there? Is anyone else on the list going to be in London in >> early August? Maybe we can meet at a pub. > > I am [almost] always here these days and have sent private messages to those > who have posted so far... Delbert and I have been having a great time running around together! I hope some of the other people who are coming to London will look me up.. ;-) Cheers, Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #99 ****************************