Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4128062; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:02:07 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #100 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:01:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #100 1. Re: Color Mixing and MLs by Etcfieldeng [at] aol.com 2. Re: Color Mixing and MLs by "Kacey Fisher" 3. CAD vs HAND by usctd [at] columbia.sc 4. Re: CAD vs HAND by "Paul Schreiner" 5. Re: CAD vs HAND by "Clare Adams" 6. Re: Made in Mexico by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: CAD vs HAND by "Jon Ares" 8. Re: CAD vs HAND by Gion DeFrancesco 9. Re: CAD vs HAND by Howard Ires 10. Re: CAD vs HAND by Boyd Ostroff 11. Re: CAD vs HAND by MissWisc [at] aol.com 12. Re: CAD vs HAND by Mike Brubaker 13. Re: CAD vs HAND by 14. Re: CAD vs HAND by "Erika Smock" 15. Moon box directions by 16. Re: CAD vs HAND by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: CAD vs HAND by Patrick McCreary 18. Re: CAD vs HAND by John Bracewell 19. Re: designer/tech anniversaries by Jeff Forbes 20. Re: designer/tech anniversaries by "Jon Ares" 21. Re: projecting the moon by Jeff Forbes 22. Help with Spandex Shapes by Greg Persinger 23. Re: Help with Spandex Shapes by 24. evacuation by IAEG [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:11:28 -0400 From: Etcfieldeng [at] aol.com Subject: RE: Color Mixing and MLs Message-ID: <63896DDE.14A8A570.3891AB56 [at] aol.com> Jason wrote; <> Just divide the numbers by 655 to get you the approx percentage value. 65535/655=100%, 40863/655=62%, 36751/655=56% You could build a little app in a spreadsheet program to make it easier and build a chart from that. I'm sure someone already has a chart that has it all laid out. -- Lin Wheeler Senior Field Service Engineer Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc. lwheeler [at] etcconnect.com ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: RE: Color Mixing and MLs Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jason, In order to use it in the program, you need to insert a light and a gobo projector and have something to project onto. In the gobo projector you assign the color and when you render it will render with a pretty good approximation of the color. It's been a while since I've gone through the steps to actually do all that, so I'd check the manual. ~Kacey > Thanks for the huge tip. It looks like the file format is: > > Brand color# #1 #2 #3 > > For example: > R 01 65535 40863 36751 > > Unfortunately, if these are CMY codes, they are encoded as 3 5 digit > numbers. I took a look through the menus and I did not see a way to use > those codes directly through the program itself. Did I miss something > completely? > > Thanks, > > Jason Cowperthwaite ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1194.129.252.241.105.1092319309.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CAD vs HAND From: usctd [at] columbia.sc Good Morning, So I am teaching a CAD class next semester. I have one semester to teach them Vectorworks and theatrical drafting standards, so they can express their ideas in an efficient and organized fashion. This brought up a question for me. Should I cover hand drafting at all? Why should I? Why should I not? I am leaning to NOT at this point. I feel that the time is better spent mastering the CAD since this will more than likely be their bread and butter during their carreer. Thoughts? -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy ------------------------------ Subject: RE: CAD vs HAND Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC21 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > This brought up a question for me. Should I cover hand=20 > drafting at all?=20 > Why should I? Why should I not? I am leaning to NOT at this=20 > point. I > feel that the time is better spent mastering the CAD since=20 > this will more > than likely be their bread and butter during their carreer. Thoughts? Completely IMHO, of course... If you teach hand drafting, the chances are that the students will come = away with a better grasp of the basics--not just of the expression of = ideas and plans on paper, but of the whole approach to (and art of) = producing an effective and aesthetically pleasing plate of drawings. = The skills are then easily transferable to CAD, since the CAD section = then becomes more of a primer on where to find the particular tools = rather than trying to do both aspects at once. There is still always a certain utility to being able to sketch plans on = the proverbial bar napkin. I have yet to find a bar napkin that won't = jam a plotter (or a bar that happens to have one lying around)! It comes down to your intentions...if you wanna teach CAD, then teach = CAD. If you want to teach drafting, then teach hand drafting first = before adding in CAD as a second method. ------------------------------ From: "Clare Adams" Subject: RE: CAD vs HAND Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:21:55 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > If you teach hand drafting, the chances are that the students > will come away with a better grasp of the basics I agree. I believe that the students have a much better understanding overall of what they are trying to communicate if they learn to first do it by hand. I teach a Drafting class every year, and I split mine up to half the semester learning how to draft by hand, then taking it to the computer lab to learn how to use those CAD tools. Of course, I still believe that the students should be able to use the tools at hand, and, like Paul said, how many bars have plotters? Just my .02 Clare Adams Lighting Designer/Technical Director Performing Arts Department College of Santa Fe 1600 St. Michael's Drive Santa Fe, NM 87505 505-473-6155 cadams [at] csf.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002401c48070$68652c90$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Made in Mexico Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:29:33 -1000 <> Not to mention to also hone the intellect and to focus reason. Well at least everyone gets to pee a lot. Laters, Paul "My dog's name is Ed, said Tom doggedly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c48074$ac099f90$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:00:04 -0700 > This brought up a question for me. Should I cover hand drafting at all? > Why should I? Why should I not? I am leaning to NOT at this point. I > feel that the time is better spent mastering the CAD since this will more > than likely be their bread and butter during their carreer. Thoughts? I hate to see hand drafting skills go away - sort of like being able to multiply in your head without the use of a calculator - an excellent skill. But I can't see how you can cover both hand drafting AND CAD efficiently in one semester. Now, if it were a 2-semester class...... Just my tuppence. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:00:18 -0400 From: Gion DeFrancesco Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND It also depends on what you think your students will be doing for their career. Probably most TD's use CAD. What about scene designers? I'm guessing that with BWay/LORT designers the number using CAD is low, but with academic designers the numbers are high. When I took the union exam, the panel spent a lot more time looking at my hand drafting and kind of passed over the few CAD examples I had (that was in 2000). I just looked at my pictures from the John Iacovelli display that was at USITT and all the plates look hand drafted. And, at the Iacovelli panel, the set designer said she hired for Babylon 5 on the basis of her hand drafting ability. Stirling, if you are reading this I wonder if you could tell us what forms of drafting you get from designers at the Playhouse? When I started teaching in the mid 90's my fear was that if I only taught CAD, it meant I was saying everyone had to have the resources to buy a computer and software once they graduated and began freelancing. Pencils and paper were cheap and everone knew how to sharpen a pencil (as late as 1999 I had a student who didn't know how to turn a computer on or save a file to a ZIP disk). This is probably less of an issue now. > >This brought up a question for me. Should I cover hand drafting at all? >Why should I? Why should I not? I am leaning to NOT at this point. I >feel that the time is better spent mastering the CAD since this will more >than likely be their bread and butter during their carreer. Thoughts? >-- -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gion DeFrancesco Assistant Professor of Theatre/Scene Designer MUT Production Manager Miami University 131 Center for Performing Arts Oxford, OH 45056 513.529.8318 On the web at http://arts.muohio.edu/defranga ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "There are no hopeless situations; there are only men who have grown hopeless about them." Clare Boothe Luce ------------------------------ Message-ID: <411B78D7.40608 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:04:07 -0400 From: Howard Ires Organization: Hill Interactive Communications Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND References: In-Reply-To: usctd [at] columbia.sc wrote: > > This brought up a question for me. Should I cover hand drafting at all? > Why should I? Why should I not? Some reasons to cover basic hand drafting in your course... 1. Your students may have to modify a drawing at some point without the benefit of a computer and plotter. 2. Most CAD programs use the hand drafting paradigm to some extent; it is easier to understand the software if you understand what it is emulating. ---------------howie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:46:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND In-Reply-To: Message-ID: With only one semester... just teach CAD. Maybe do a day to show them some pencil drawings and discuss the concepts. I drafted by hand for around 25 years. But in 1994 I switched completely to CAD and have never seen any reason to turn back. As for some of the other comments... maybe you need a separate course in "drafting on bar napkins" if you think that's important? This is why someone needs a college education? If you've ever been in a position of building or managing productions then I can't imagine you would champion the idea of using hand drafting. It seems ridiculous to even have to cite the advantages of having drawings in digital form when it comes to sharing, adapting and archiving them. The fact that many designers still draft by hand just shows how resistant our business is to change. It's a liability, not an asset. OK, maybe one of these people might hire you because they like your pencil drafting, but is that really how you want to orient your students? I thought education was supposed to advance the art and science. I just scanned a set of drawings for a production we're renting this season. The designer is a nice guy, well known in his field, and doesn't work in CAD. The drawings have an "artsy" style to them but they are hard to read and I'll have to re-draft things that I need. These particular drawings really bug me because he is obviously someone who likes to see a blue background on his prints and drafts with low contrast. When I was young and didn't know any better, I remember a designer telling me how you should draft this way, and make lines fade in and out of the blue background because it looked cool. The result is that people will have a hard time reading and using the drawings. If you want to teach a full course in hand drafting and make it a requirement then I have no problem with that. But it should really just be used as a foundation for working with the modern tool of CAD. In the scene shop do you make your students build everything with hand saws and crank drills? And the idea that computers are expensive and people can't afford them is so outdated a concept that surely it doesn't even need discussion. Sorry, but as someone who actually has to work with drawings this is a pet peeve for me. Teach your students how to draft effectively on the computer. It will make the world a better place. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.2799c905.2e4cf397 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:23:51 EDT Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND I'm old enough to have had one lesson on using a slide rule. One. I understand how it works and know there are easier ways to get a more accurate answer. It showed me the value of calculators. If your sketching on a bar napkin, you're probably not using a scale ruler nor doing a big, detailed project. Regular art classes should have covered enough sketching ability for that. I'd suggest you take about a week at the beginning of the semester to work on hand drafting with an emphasis learning on drafting terminology and the equipment used in hand drafting - scale ruler, compass, protractor, French curve, etc.. I would not waste time having them practice letters/numbers and other rote (pun intended) things. Have them use the tools to read a drawing that doesn't have all the measurements written in. Have them hand draft a floor plan for a room in their home. Do a simple floor plan for a stage set that uses all the tools. Do it in a different scale. Then tell them you want it in another scale or front view or side view. When someone complains about how tedious it becomes to copy drawings, you've just taught them the value of using CAD! Take that floor plan and put it on the computer so they are working with a familiar plan while learning the unfamiliar computer program. Boyd is right ... the vast majority of college students have laptops and everyone else can get to the lab. No reason to not use them! Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040812140927.01e64c38 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:15:06 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:04 AM 8/12/2004, Howard Ires wrote: >usctd [at] columbia.sc wrote: >>This brought up a question for me. Should I cover hand drafting at all? >>Why should I? Why should I not? > >Some reasons to cover basic hand drafting in your course... > >1. Your students may have to modify a drawing at some point without the >benefit of a computer and plotter. > >2. Most CAD programs use the hand drafting paradigm to some extent; it is >easier to understand the software if you understand what it is emulating. The basic questions that should be asked: are you teaching drafting as a skill, or are you teaching your students the tools? CAD is a tool. So are my pencils, scale, and straightedge. Drafting is a skill that I can accomplish using either tool. I get a usable product by hand. I get a better product, faster, in CAD. Mike ------------------------------ From: Subject: RE: CAD vs HAND Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As I am sepnding the summer wearing my installer hat, ( and fresh from a rant about crappy CAD drawings)this question could not come at a better time for me. There is some misconception that CAD drawings are automatically easier to read, understand and follow than hand draftings. As the examples I looked at today prove, this is clearly not the case. Good drafting is good drafting, period. Yes, CAD is more accurate, out to fourteen decimal places, as my CADD instructor liked to boast.(I resisted the urge to point out to him that mankind did not have the ability to manufacture something that acuratly, so what was the point) But one of the first things I learned in drafting class, many moons ago, was that no one should EVER have to take a scale rule to one of your draftings. Dimension, dimension, dimension. A properly layed out and dimensioned drawing is not assured by either method. One of my problems with CAD is that unless you own a 24"x36" monitor, the only time you will see the drawing in the same format the shop will, is when it is plotted. And this is often the same time the shop needs the drawing. And one advantage hand drafting will always have; my pencil never crashes, brain farts aside. Back in December, my computer took a crap right when I had a plot due. The plot was handed in on time because I could draft by hand. I am not saying don't teach CAD, but I would start with hand drafting. I would also suggest an exercise. Divide the class into teams of two or three. Have each group draft construction drawings for a simple object, but give each group a different object. Then trade around drawings and have the groups go to the shop and build them using only the information found in the drawing. I think it will become pretty clear to your students what information is useful, what is not, and how it can be best organised. One of my biggest pet peeves is drawings produced by somebody who obviously has never built, or installed, anything in their entire lives. Ending my rant now. Klyph ------------------------------ From: "Erika Smock" Subject: RE: CAD vs HAND Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:10:24 -0600 Message-ID: Why should I? Why should I not? I am leaning to NOT at this point. I >feel that the time is better spent mastering the CAD since this will more >than likely be their bread and butter during their carreer. > As a student going in to Techincal Direction. It was required that we learned Hand Drafting before we could even take CAD. Like someone else said if you can hand draft then you can draft something when you not around a computer. I personally found it better to have had hand drafting first then move on to CAD. erika _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ From: Subject: Moon box directions Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:58:58 -0400 Message-Id: <20040812225858.EWGC1721.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [at] mail.bellsouth.net> im a student in high school who is head tech chief for the school and our fall show is "To Kill A Mockingbird". my first project right now is to build a moon box, but i dont know how to build one. im looking for any way to build it. doesnt matter if its coming from the downstage side or the upstage side. just looking for something to make a moon and maybe can use it from something else. please send me directions ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c480c3$4ec2e4f0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:22:59 -0700 > But one of the first things I learned > in drafting class, many moons ago, was that no one should EVER have to take > a scale rule to one of your draftings. Dimension, dimension, dimension. This is a load of poo. Unless you want me to plot something in 1:1 scale on a plotter that's 40' wide, there is not enough room to dimension every splinter. I use scaled and NTS callouts and leader lines all the time, but even they can get cluttered. I would love to see an entire set of construction drawings, CAD or hand, that is PERFECTION. Personally I can still hand-draft a lot of stuff faster than doing it on the computer - no relative coordinate entries - just draw the line 10'. No trim modes, just stop the line, or do a quick erase. (No mouse click required.) Now I sound like an old curmudgeon. But, I do almost all of it on computer, because of the tidiness and of course the ease in which to change things. I would still hope students could learn hand-drafting first, for all the reasons others have mentioned. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.1.20040812211547.01b28220 [at] incoming.verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:58:33 -0400 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND In-Reply-To: References: At 09:09 AM 8/12/2004, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- I've read all the posts on this subject so far, but I'm going to pick on Paul Schreiner's, just because of a couple of things he brings up. >If you teach hand drafting, the chances are that the students will come >away with a better grasp of the basics--not just of the expression of >ideas and plans on paper, but of the whole approach to (and art of) >producing an effective and aesthetically pleasing plate of drawings. The >skills are then easily transferable to CAD, since the CAD section then >becomes more of a primer on where to find the particular tools rather than >trying to do both aspects at once. One of the things I always teach my students is the difference between DRAWING and DRAFTING. The "expression of ideas and plans on paper" is Drawing, and SHOULD be "aesthetically pleasing." As someone who has been useing AutoCad for 19 years and Vectorworks for 4, I can tell you that CADD is not very conducive to drawing. The representation, on paper, of parts and their dimensions, and the juxtaposition of those parts into assemblies, with exacting precision, is Drafting. CADD is particularly conducive to this, and makes the adoption, adaptation, and re-use of those precise representations extremely fast and efficient. >There is still always a certain utility to being able to sketch plans on >the proverbial bar napkin. I have yet to find a bar napkin that won't jam >a plotter (or a bar that happens to have one lying around)! In my classes, I always draw a platform frame on the blackboard, freehand, deliberately being sloppy with the scale, proportion, and straightness of my lines; I then ask the class whether they think they might be able to build from my drawing. Barring the inevitable wise-ass, the answer is "no". I then distribute a CAD-drawn, perfectly scaled, three-dimensional picture of the same platform, and ask the same question - and get the same answer. Not until I begin to insert the information (dimensions, etc.) that one might find on a piece of drafting - on the blackboard drawing - does everyone seem to have no problem at all coming up with a cut list, etc. The lesson is that while there is certain visual information that one can only get from a drawing, that information is often inadequate for building unless the Drawing is turned into a piece of Drafting. The sloppy blackboard picture (a legitimate piece of drafting, however ugly) becomes more valuable to the shop then the precise CAD picture once the numerical information is added. >It comes down to your intentions...if you wanna teach CAD, then teach >CAD. If you want to teach drafting, then teach hand drafting first before >adding in CAD as a second method. Agreed. - Designers should be proficient at making DRAWINGS, and perhaps competent at DRAFTING; Technicians should be proficient at DRAFTING, and perhaps competent at making DRAWINGS. Patrick G. Patrick McCreary Ass't. Professor - Technical Director Department of Theater and Dance Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15701 (Office) 724-357-2644 (Home) 724-349-4309 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040812221138.04ff9b78 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:25:50 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: CAD vs HAND In-Reply-To: References: Hand drafting is great. When I taught drafting, I tried to instill the idea that your tools are an extension of your brain--they help you think. But the same can be said of the computer once you learn how to think in computer mode. People have pointed out the relative expense with the computer touted as the most expensive method. As Jon Ares said about dimensioning, this is a load of poo. If you really set up to do GOOD hand drafting, you can easily spend as much as you will for a computer and software or more. Not that tools make the ability to draft, any more than having the latest version of AutoCAD will make you capable of good drafting. And about pretty, artsy drafting. If you want to do that, you can do it on a computer as well as by hand. I've seen computer drafting that would be difficult to distinguish from hand drafting. I think what it all comes down to is that the future is the computer. Some people will always be able to draft more easily by hand, and some will just naturally take to the computer. I think the general rule will be that most people learning now will eventually use the computer and (sadly, because I loved hand drafting) hand drafting will gradually become a relic practiced by people who really love it for its own sake. As for what one should do right now, that probably is a matter of what kind of work you're training your students to do. Are they heading in the direction of working as theatre professionals? Then should probably, right now, know how to do both; but if you have the choice of presenting only one method, I'd probably say that the best choice would be CAD, simply because it presents the opportunity to do so much, with continually expanding possibilities as the student learns and the software develops. My 2 cents. YMMV. -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:42:48 -0700 From: Jeff Forbes Subject: Re: designer/tech anniversaries >In August we can celebrate (or mourn) the following anniversaries . . . You left out: 48th anniversary of the birth of designer Jeff Forbes I'll let it pass this time. -- Jeff A Forbes PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd Portland, OR 97206 (503) 888-5619 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c480ec$87962de0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: designer/tech anniversaries Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:18:04 -0700 > >In August we can celebrate (or mourn) the following anniversaries . . . > > You left out: > 48th anniversary of the birth of designer Jeff Forbes > Uhh... and also the 37th anniversary of the birth of designer Jon Ares. Sometimes I feel like Rodney Dangerfield. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:25:20 -0700 From: Jeff Forbes Subject: Re: projecting the moon >Years ago I worked on a touring dance project. > >They used a large papier-mache moon that was >convex on the front side. They beautifully >lit it from the wings with careful shuttering >with the light overshooting the moon hitting >in the opposite wing. They shot it with two >lekos as I remember of differing color and >angle. One shot at a high angle and one shot >at the low angle. > >It was stunning. The moon was 3-5" in depth. > >Steve This reminds me of a show I did a few years ago where the set designer hung a white wood circle up stage of the main portion of the set, but rigged it at about a 20 degree angle, with the lower edge being tilted up stage a bit. I placed an instrument on the floor pointed straight up at the moon, shuttered around it and made sure that all the stray light disappeared behind the border on its way to the grid. From the house all you could see was the glowing disk. -- Jeff A Forbes PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd Portland, OR 97206 (503) 888-5619 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:33:26 -0500 Subject: Help with Spandex Shapes From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello All, I have a client that I am doing a lighting hang and focus for. They have also requested the purchase of some white spandex shapes. Of course after telling them I would need 3 weeks lead time to pull it all together they gave me a week and a half. Rose Brand can't manufacturer them for me in the time allotted. Does anyone have a supplier that may have these sitting on the shelf or can produce them in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have some used shapes in pristine condition they want to sell? I was looking for two 6' x 6' or so three point shapes but would consider 4point. If you have any ideas please post them or email me at my address below. Thanks for your help. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: RE: Help with Spandex Shapes Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'm not sure where you are located, but I know Parlights used to carry them. 301.698.9242 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15.30235eb8.2e4dea85 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:57:25 EDT Subject: evacuation well friends, it's that time, 5:50 am we are under mandatory evacuation by 6 am, we have a probably Category 3 Hurricane bearing down on us the house / office is about a mile from the water, , and about 10' above mean high tide, , they are expecting a 10 ' + storm surge, so technically we could be in a flood zone. tropical storm force winds should be hitting here at the house in about 2 hours. hurricane force possibly late this afternoon, early this evening. I will definately have myself out of here by then. not sure what the immediate future is like, I assure you we will make it through the storm, just not certain what we will find upon our return. not sure what phone / cell service will be like over the next couple of days, but I will send out an Email when all is clear and we know what we face for the immediate future. thanks for everyones best wishes, very best, Keith ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #100 *****************************