Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4155537; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:01:00 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #104 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:00:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #104 1. Re: Olympics opening by IAEG [at] aol.com 2. Re: Olympics opening by usctd [at] columbia.sc 3. Re: Olympics opening by "Steve Larson" 4. Re: CAD VS HAND by "Thomas Rodman" 5. Re: Moon box. by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: CAD vs. Hand by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Windswept but back by "Tony Deeming" 8. Re: Ryan Benjamin Price by "Ken Romaine" 9. Re: Olympics opening by MissWisc [at] aol.com 10. Nat'l arc carbons by Shawn Palmer 11. Back from London, evacuation, and Olympics by "Delbert Hall" 12. Re: Back from London, evacuation, and Olympics by Charlie Richmond 13. Re: Olympics Opening by "Delbert Hall" 14. Re: LPG by Dale Farmer 15. Re: Nat'l arc carbons by "Frank E. Merrill" 16. Sound Position Announcement by "Andrew Vance" 17. Re: MSDS was:Olympic Torch Help by CB 18. Ryan Benjamin Price by CB 19. Re: Olympics opening by CB 20. Re: Olympics opening by Charlie Richmond 21. Drop Rental by "Rob Carovillano" 22. Re: Drop Rental by "Jon Ares" 23. Little Shop Souvenir by doran [at] bard.edu 24. more moon by Judy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19f.285fb84d.2e51ec59 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:54:17 EDT Subject: Re: Olympics opening In a message dated 8/15/04 9:04:00 PM, bigfred [at] mindspring.com writes: << So, for those of us who really wanted to see the opening ceremonies but missed them, are they recorded anywhere? Does someone sell tapes of present and / or past opening ceremonies? Thanks, Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, US >> i 've taped most of the summer and winter opening and closing ceremonies for the last 12 - 16 years, ,this opening ceremonies I didn't get to tape, perhaps due to the fact of that storm thing called Charley. I did see them, but didn't get to tape them. very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <53510.24.168.209.168.1092661771.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Olympics opening From: usctd [at] columbia.sc My wife thinks I'm nuts for taping all these things. I am glad to hear so many people were interested in the opening ceremonies. I find that it is so educational to watch these "budget is no factor" shows. I mentioned to a few grads that they should watch it and they said they would be busy tossing back a few drinks instead. I wish they realized the value of experiencing these events. They could have drank AND watched ;-). -- Eric Rouse TD-University of SC, Columbia Freelance Foyboy > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > In a message dated 8/15/04 9:04:00 PM, bigfred [at] mindspring.com writes: > > << So, for those of us who really wanted to see the opening ceremonies but > missed them, are they recorded anywhere? Does someone sell tapes of > present and / or past opening ceremonies? > > Thanks, > > Fred > > "Big Fred" Schoening > Technical Director > Dallas Theater Center > Dallas, Texas, US >> > > i 've taped most of the summer and winter opening and closing ceremonies > for > the last 12 - 16 years, ,this opening ceremonies I didn't get to tape, > perhaps > due to the fact of that storm thing called Charley. I did see them, but > didn't get to tape them. > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida > ------------------------------ From: "Steve Larson" Subject: Re: Olympics opening Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:41:41 -0400 I tivo'd it, but I'm currently in a beach house at Emerald Isle, NC. for a week. See what I can do when I get back. Steve > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So, for those of us who really wanted to see the opening ceremonies but > missed them, are they recorded anywhere? Does someone sell tapes of > present and / or past opening ceremonies? > > Thanks, > > Fred > > "Big Fred" Schoening > Technical Director > Dallas Theater Center > Dallas, Texas, USA > > "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The > ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and > so never developed separate words for them." > > - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > > > > -- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <200408160810350776.17AF9596 [at] 10.1.1.3> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:10:35 -0500 From: "Thomas Rodman" Subject: Re: CAD VS HAND >>b Ricie wrote: >>All over the good ole USA I see antiseptic, homogenized, >> and featureless buildings. It seems that aesthetics >> have gone by the way of quick and easy, and I blame >> cad for this. > >Way wrong thinking. > >Don't blame the pencil for the line. > >Crappy buildings were being designed and built long before CAD. > >However one could start by laying the blame at the doors of the Bauhaus= (my >school) which developed the international style of architecture... paving >the way for the stripping of joy from architecture. Not to mention that antiseptic, homogenized and featureless buildings are= also CHEAPER to build. >From: "Tracy Nunnally" >My $0.02 worth: I feel that students should be equipped with as many= tools >as an institution can possibly give them to function well in their trade.= I >think that even the proponents of a CAD-only curriculum would agree that a >TD or Designer who has no hand drafting ability will certainly face a >situation at some point where they would have benefited from having that >skill. I started off hand drafting as well. The most important thing that I see= in having students still learn to hand draft is that it gives them a= better grasp of the fundamentals such as scale and layout. Just my $0.02 cents worth. Tom ************************************************************************ Thomas Rodman Voice: 334-271-5385 Master Electrician Fax: 334-271-5348 Electrics Department E-Mail: trodman [at] asf.net Alabama Shakespeare Festival http://www.asf.net 1 Festival Drive Montgomery, AL 36117 ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002001c48397$a6812b80$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Moon box. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:48:01 -1000 <> The front or back of what? My description was of the building of a "moon box" which is traditionally the device one uses when the design "the moon" as part of the scenery. It is usually used behind a scrim and the illuminated opening faces the audience. As a side note, I have used Spackle (or similar) on the interior lit surface to make "mountains and craters". Helps add some shape when the box is used close to the audience. Laters, Paul "My underwear got caught in my bike wheel," Tom spoke briefly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c48398$f1305240$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: CAD vs. Hand Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:57:16 -1000 >> But one of the first things I learned in drafting class, many moons ago, was that no one should EVER have to take a scale rule to one of your draftings. > > > > True. <> And then train all the carps to use whatever CAD is the flavor of the day. <> Well which is it? I agree that some things must be dimensioned. What I disagree with is that EVERYTHING must be dimensioned and that NO ONE should EVER have put a SCALE RULE to a DRAWING. It would be nice but it just doesn't happen. And then there are errors. Does one believe the line or the number. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <068801c4839e$84c4fbf0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Windswept but back Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:37:12 +0100 Jeez! I was only away for a fortnight!! Honest, guv!! And I walk back to 450 messages on the Stagecraft list and almost 500 on rats!!! Once I get my sea legs back, and the wind from Hurricane Charley out of my hair I'll see about reading some of 'em, but gotta go bed now..... sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep......... Ynot ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ryan Benjamin Price Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <93FE13C1F8D37D4D89A28A78F975D66901BE8B04 [at] stagepost.vari-lite.corp> From: "Ken Romaine" Cc: stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net (Noah Price) Congratulations and best wishes!! (Born on my dad's birthday) Ken Romaine Account Manager PRG Lighting - VLPS Lighting Services - New York kenromaine [at] prg.com The opinions expressed herein are mine - all mine, as much as I=20 might want to extend them to the rest of the world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Noah wrote: Everyone's doing well! August 14, 2004 1:18 AM 7lb 9oz 19 1/2" Noah & Heather ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.27ccf5f0.2e52292e [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:13:50 EDT Subject: Re: Olympics opening Cc: usctd [at] columbia.sc In a message dated 8/16/4 7:09:41 AM, usctd [at] columbia.sc writes: << I mentioned to a few grads that they should watch it and they said they would be busy tossing back a few drinks instead. >> Remind me never to hire them. Priorities aren't in order. They could have found a bar that was showing the ceremonies and done both at the same time. And if they were REALLY thinking, they could have devised some bar bets with their non-stagecraft buddies over the theatrial elements in the show (How DO they do that?) and drunk free all night. Kids these days. ;) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4120D496.3050306 [at] northnet.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:36:54 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Nat'l arc carbons References: In-Reply-To: Partial box (21) Nat'l arc carbons available- free to first response. Imagine the envy of your friends when you receive your partial box of carbons! In the Continental US, we'll pay the postage. I'd rather not pitch them. thx, Shawn Palmer Neenah WI USA ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Back from London, evacuation, and Olympics Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:39:47 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c483a7$4325e2f0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Hi Folks - I just got back from two weeks in London. Many thanks to Charlie Richmond and his wife for taking me to Charles Darwin's house in Downe and out to dinner. Charlie was a great tour guide and we got to a lot of great places, including spending three hours at Stage Technologies. Keith - glad to hear that you are OK. My wife recorded the opening ceremonies of the Olympics for me. I hope to watch them tonight. If you want a copy - let me know. Also, Tracy and I will be down next month to do the rigging work for Chuck Bowen. Last I heard Tracy was still trying to contact Chuck for some info. -Delbert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:43:10 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Back from London, evacuation, and Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Delbert Hall wrote: > Hi Folks - I just got back from two weeks in London. Many thanks to > Charlie Richmond and his wife for taking me to Charles Darwin's house in > Downe and out to dinner. Charlie was a great tour guide and we got to a > lot of great places, including spending three hours at Stage > Technologies. We had a great time with Delbert and the photos will be posted soon! ;-) Cheers, Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Olympics Opening Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:57:12 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000101c483a9$b371d530$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Someone from the IOC contacted me two years ago about the flying for the Olympics. I looked up that email and it say that Dimitri Papaioannou would be designing and choreographing the ceremonies. I made the first cut, but not the next one. Stage Technologies has a great piece of software called Visual Creator that allows the creation of a 3D simulation of multi axis flights. This software, running on Nomad controller, them creates the flying effect based on the programmed paths and speed. It is a pretty advanced system. Charlie and I saw a demonstration of the software in London last week. Something like this might have been used for the flying in Athens. I will look into it. -Delbert -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Joe Meils Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:11 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Olympics Opening For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- They were saying last night that the designer was someone named "Dimitri"... a one word name, rather like Cher, or Sting. Haven't tried to look anything up on him yet, but I'm sure a Google search would yeild a few hits. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Olympics Opening > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Interesting, to me is that while the tech was so "state of the art" it > > follows wonderfully on the shoulders of the ancient stagecrafters. These > > ancient to modern techniques that I spotted included: > > > > I to would be interested to see just who designed, rigged and ran such a wonderful > spectacle all the better for excellent television coverage. > > Paul Lunnon > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4120E2B9.DC6196F0 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:37:13 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: LPG References: Anthony wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We have been asked to various LPG gas effects to a theatre that has Carbon > monoxide detectors. > > The detectors cant be shut off. > > What they want to use are a big blue flame LPG burner to heat a thermal > organ. This is quite brief, about 1 minute tops. > > As well they want to run a gas font with an orange flame. This runs for 5 > minutes. > > As I understand it CO detectors pick up CO from the initial stages of a > fire when it is mainly smouldering. CO production is high here. > > But a blue flame LPG flame does not produce CO unless it is oxygen starved > like a cooking stove in a tent with hikers. > > The font orange yellow mainly produces carbon as soot not CO. > > Are there any knowledgeable sources or people here on this topic? If the flames are burning in a normal oxygen level atmosphere, the amount of CO produced is very minimal. If your ventilation is good, and the theater space isn't tiny, I'd not expect the CO detectors to go off. The usual precautions with open flames in a theatrical environment should also be taken. I'd also suggest multiple ignitors to ensure that the gas is reliably ignited when the valve is opened. Consult with your local fire inspector on the design of the gag, and run a couple of tests with him/her present and no general public in the venue. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:21:14 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <19010421621.20040816122114 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re: Nat'l arc carbons In-Reply-To: References: Howdy! Monday, August 16, 2004, Shawn Palmer wrote: SP> Partial box (21) Nat'l arc carbons available- free to first SP> response. I'll take 'em... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v2.10.1 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008501c483c9$a57a0900$0500000a [at] anneb> From: "Andrew Vance" Subject: Sound Position Announcement Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:45:49 -0500 For all of you who don't get ArtSearch or read backstagejobs.com, we're = looking to fill the following sound position here in Omaha. I can = answer most questions if needed, and forward resumes on to our = Production Manager. Thanks! -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer/Supervisor Omaha Theatre Company/Omaha Theatre Ballet andrewv [at] otcmail.org 402-345-9718 x139 The Omaha Theater Company is seeking a Sound Designer/Engineer/Assistant = Electrician for the 2004-2005 Season. The ideal candidate will = design/execute sound design for 10 productions in 2 spaces. Position = will operate sound board for Mainstage productions, as well as black box = productions that schedule allows, maintain equipment in both spaces, set = up equipment for facility rentals, and work with education dept. on = needs for all Teen/Outreach productions. Position assists electrics = dept. on all hang/focus during season. Please send resume to Mark Lewis, = Production Manager, Omaha Theater Co. 2001 Farnam St. Omaha, NE 68102 or = e-mail to markl [at] otcmail.org Questions 402-345-9718 ext. 307 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040816132336.01842900 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:23:36 From: CB Subject: Re: MSDS was:Olympic Torch Help >Look up the MSDS for single malt scotch. Took five minutes on the search, and then decided that you probably know where it is. I'm guessing that I should have this info handy, as I tend to work with the substamce fairly frequently. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040816133733.01842900 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:37:33 From: CB Subject: Ryan Benjamin Price >August 14, 2004 >1:18 AM >7lb 9oz >19 1/2" Nice work (of course, you had the easy part...)! Shoot, there goes another list administrator. ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040816134407.01842900 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:44:07 From: CB Subject: Re: Olympics opening >> Has anyone found a place oneline with photos or video excerpts? > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/default.stm > >And probably all sorts of other broadcasters' sites... Specifics might help, Charlie. It might be that I just got back from 5K miles in ten days, but I couldn't fing opening ceremonies vids on that site. It probably is me, but help me out anyways, wouldja? Oh yeah, I'm back. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:38:06 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Olympics opening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, CB wrote: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/default.stm >> > Specifics might help, Charlie. It might be that I just got back from 5K > miles in ten days, but I couldn't fing opening ceremonies vids on that > site. It probably is me, but help me out anyways, wouldja? Hmmmm sorry - the 'Audio & Video' link was full of opening vids a few days ago - I guess they update it ;-) > Oh yeah, I'm back. Noticed - I'm going now ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000401c483de$e9095da0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Drop Rental Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:18:07 -0400 The archives search isnt working so can anyone list some websites with online catalogues for drops besides grosh. Thanks Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001601c483e1$6f58b020$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Drop Rental Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:36:12 -0700 > > The archives search isnt working so can anyone list some websites with > online catalogues for drops besides grosh. Thanks Google is your friend. I too have been browsing some of the rental companies lately, and since I'm too lazy to write down the addresses of the various companies, I just google the words 'backdrop' and 'rentals' and up come a dozen great companies such as Kenmark, Tobins Lake, Cobalt Studios, and of course Grosh. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1092696046.412137eecb4bc [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:40:46 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Little Shop Souvenir Hey, All, I'm in a bit of a bind, and I need some help. You may know that "Little Shop of Horrors" is closing its Broadway run on Sunday the 22nd. That being the case, the broadwaystore.com site has run out of the souvenir mugs from that show, and won't be getting any more. My seven-year-old son, who has been saving to get the mug, is now looking for an alternate source. Does anyone know of another site to buy the mug? It's his favorite show, and he's really been looking forward to this. He's even planning to be Seymour for Halloween, complete with plant puppet, ala the WSKID scene. We've tried ebay, even with misspellings, tried a google search, tried the show's website, all to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, Andy Champ-Doran Poughkeepsie, NY ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4121BE41.7050402 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:13:53 +0200 From: Judy Subject: more moon Thanks to everybody who wrote about doing the moon, and I thought for general information (and for the guy who has to make a new moon!) I'd tell you what we finally did. We didn't use fluorescents because the dimmer ballasts were too expensive, though in terms of intensity that gave the best results. Instead we used tubular incandescent lamps that look like fluorescents but give a much warmer color. These are called Ralina (Radium) and come in 60W half a meter long, or 120W a meter long (which looks like two 60W pieces strung together). The intensity is like any incandescent but because they're long they give a wonderfully diffuse effect, no unevenness as we had from the regular incandescents. Also because the color's warm we got good results when using a red gel over them. They are 220V, but I imagine there's a US equivalent - somebody emailed me from the list in fact that he used them, his were Osram Linestra - and thank you very much, Andy Champ-Doran, for pointing me in that direction! Shows me not for the first time what a wonderful resource this list is. Judy ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #104 *****************************