Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4269027; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:01:04 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #116 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:00:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #116 1. Fake wrought iron railings by "Karel Blakeley" 2. Re: Fake wrought iron railings by Patrick McCreary 3. Still need Republican Convention Credits by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 4. Re: a job posting by Boyd Ostroff 5. Re: Devil's Advocate by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: Devil's Advocate by Boyd Ostroff 7. Re: Gathering in NYC by "Russel Drapkin" 8. Re: Fake wrought iron railings by mat goebel 9. Re: New Labor Rules by "Bryan H. Ackler" 10. Re[4]: Light a fire from afar by "Frank E. Merrill" 11. Re: New Labor Rules by Steve Larson 12. Re: a job posting by Mark O'Brien 13. Light a fire from afar by CB 14. Re: a job posting by CB 15. Re: a job posting by Boyd Ostroff 16. Re: a job posting by Richard Niederberg 17. Re: a job posting by 18. Re: a job posting by 19. Re: Arena Lighting by Dale Farmer 20. Re: Light a fire from afar by Dale Farmer 21. Re: Light a fire from afar by Herrick 22. Re: a job posting by Charlie Richmond 23. Re: a job posting by "Jon Ares" 24. Re: a job posting by Jeff Kanyuck 25. Re: a job posting by Jeff Kanyuck 26. Re: a job posting by Boyd Ostroff 27. Re: Protests in NYC. by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 28. Re: Protests in NYC. by MissWisc [at] aol.com 29. Re: Protests in NYC. by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 30. Re: Hedda Gabler Dueling Pistols by June Abernathy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:16:59 -0400 From: "Karel Blakeley" Subject: Fake wrought iron railings Greetings all. I'm designing a show that's set in the French Quarter of New Orleans and I'm looking for suggestions as to how to replicate decorative wrought iron railings. The set is an exterior with a balcony that will have a railing as well as vertical supports and trim at the top (roof line). The research images show rather intricate and ornate patterns in all the pieces. Our plan is to frame the structure out in box steel first and then attach lightweight pieces to fill out the forms. I'd welcome hearing suggestions for homemade solutions as well as names of companies that might sell something like this that's all ready to go (pre-made vacuform pieces, etc.). Thanks so much, Karel Blakeley Le Moyne College Syracuse, NY ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.1.20040828083850.01aee760 [at] incoming.verizon.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:47:31 -0400 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: Re: Fake wrought iron railings In-Reply-To: References: At 07:16 AM 8/28/2004, you wrote: >Greetings all. > >I'm designing a show that's set in the French Quarter of New Orleans and >I'm looking for suggestions as to how to replicate decorative wrought >iron railings. The set is an exterior with a balcony that will have a >railing as well as vertical supports and trim at the top (roof line). >The research images show rather intricate and ornate patterns in all the >pieces. Our plan is to frame the structure out in box steel first and >then attach lightweight pieces to fill out the forms. > >I'd welcome hearing suggestions for homemade solutions as well as names >of companies that might sell something like this that's all ready to go >(pre-made vacuform pieces, etc.). > >Thanks so much, > >Karel Blakeley >Le Moyne College >Syracuse, NY We just did "Streetcar" last spring, and I got my "picket castings" from: http://www.decorativeiron.com/ They have plastic versions of a number of their items. We got the cast iron. I still have a number of their item #8330, if you're interested. Friendly, helpful people, delivered on time, not terribly expensive. They fit very nicely over 1/2" square tube, which is what we used - built and installed the railings, without the castings, then installed someting like 30 pieces (including pre-drilling them on the press) in about two hours. Patrick G. Patrick McCreary Ass't. Professor - Technical Director Department of Theater and Dance Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15701 (Office) 724-357-2644 (Home) 724-349-4309 ------------------------------ From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: Still need Republican Convention Credits Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Hey wonderful folks. Remember to pass on design/tech credits and stats as you learn them from the Republican convention. All I have so far are the names of the producer and the lighting designer. I saw a brief behind the scenes report and it looks like there will be lots of interesting facets. 3 stages including one that rises with entertainment (and for Bush's speech) from the middle of the arena "in the round". Not only interesting in it's own right, but doubly interesting to me in the irony that this is the plan of the old USSR's Moscow Circus! The only other credit I have which I find interesting is that for the musical director who comes from the genre of Gosple music. I suspect this is because of what transpired at the end of the convention for Bush Sr.'s second term. Then the last image was priceless. Two grown Republican men (Bush and Quale) holding hands as the band struck up their new campaign song......the theme from Broadway's gay musical, La Cage aux Folles. It was one of only two times I have ever fallen off the couch and all these years later my only explanation (guess) for this musical choice was sabbotage from a Dem leaning musical director. But this was the genesis of my wanting to learn the names of these creative people. All take care. RF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: a job posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 klyphs [at] earthlink.net wrote: > I do not doubt that you have legitimate complaints about your present > employer, but I wonder if airing them in a very public forum is in your > best interest. Klyphs, I think you make an excellent point, although you will probably be criticized for it. When most of us see a post like Jeff's our instinctive reaction is to sympathize and provide support to someone who seems to have been treated poorly. But I'd have to agree that in the bigger picture it's usually a poor idea to air your dirty laundry in public. Although "venting" certainly has its value, there is usually little else to be gained by trashing someone publicly and as you point out, there could be a lot to lose. Fortunately, I probably wouldn't remember Jeff or this thread if he applied for a job with me 5 years from now. But if he applied tomorrow it could raise some questions in my mind. Along these same lines, I found it dismaying that Steve Jones trashed his former university employer here to the point of saying that people should neither work there nor send their children. Careful what you say around here. It is really a rather small world in our profession... Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003001c48d0e$c7e99890$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Devil's Advocate Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 04:53:28 -1000 <> Curious as to how long stage technicians will accept and allow their love of their craft being taken advantage of. Personally, I don't care about abusive employer's feelings or reputations. I am not afraid of their "wrath". I've burned a bridge or two here and I live in a truly small town. The issue of "true" value arises. Diamonds have an inflated market value. If I wanted to purchase a perfect 10 carat diamond, I imagine it would only be a matter of money. I also imagine that I could purchase truckloads of "perfect" diamonds for the right price. Perfect emeralds might be a different matter... or a truckload of unblemished 1961 Mr. Machines. The point? How many managing directors or business managers are there in your town? Now how many theatrical technical directors? Too long we have stood in the dark and "taken it". Granted the fellow is simply venting and not really doing anything constructive about remedying the situation in Alaska... he is, however, helping his own and sending a somewhat of a warning to others. I find the implied warning to not speak ill of bad employers to be unsettling on a couple of levels. Laters, Paul "What's in the middle of an egg?" Tom asked eccentrically. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:13:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Devil's Advocate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, Paul Guncheon wrote: > Curious as to how long stage technicians will accept and allow their > love of their craft being taken advantage of. Well we have a good example in Jeff's case. He voted with his feet and moved on to greener pastures. Others who feel exploited should do the same. I know it's easy for me to say this, but it takes two willing parties for exploitation. > Personally, I don't care about abusive employer's feelings or > reputations. I am not afraid of their "wrath". I've burned a bridge or > two here and I live in a truly small town. Maybe you need to get out more often? ;-) Seriously, I don't care about the employer's feelings either. But I think there's a matter of professionalism which would apply in any field. > The point? How many managing directors or business managers are there in > your town? Now how many theatrical technical directors? You really lost me here. Are you saying that TD's are scarce and therefore should be valued highly? I agree, but sadly the free market doesn't always share my opinion. > Too long we have stood in the dark and "taken it". So is that the fault of "the man"? Don't take it. Do like Jeff did and find a better job. > Granted the fellow is simply venting and not really doing anything > constructive about remedying the situation in Alaska... he is, however, > helping his own and sending a somewhat of a warning to others. Read the original post. It seems that his exit did do something constructive. His employer realized they would have to pay his replacement 30% more and also include some new benefits. As you yourself point out, venting hasn't done anything. And not sure if it has value as a warning in this case, since it seems that the employer will offer a better deal to the next guy. Sounds like a perfect example of the free market working as it should. > I find the implied warning to not speak ill of bad employers to be > unsettling on a couple of levels. Well fortunately everyone is free to speak their mind around here, so let 'er rip. But rather than react emotionally when you're upset, give it a rest for a little while and consider the potential benefits and damage of your actions. If you can't identify any real benefits then why risk potential damage? Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ From: "Russel Drapkin" Subject: RE: Gathering in NYC Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:34:20 -0400 Organization: Russel Drapkin Lighting Designer Message-ID: <000001c48d14$7db9afc0$0202a8c0 [at] RPDDESIGN01> In-Reply-To: A gathering sounds good, for the 30% of use who haven't managed to escape (did you all see the slate article?) In any case, I'm wide open as well! By the way, it's good to have found the list again :) -Russel Drapkin Lighting Designer NYC >For the moment, my schedule is wide open. Anyone else going to be in NY >next week? >Klyph > > Hmmmm. I feel a stagecraft gathering in NY coming on. My gig for next > week > has fallen through (for reasons having nothing to do with the RNC). > And I > would certainly like to grab another glass of Green Spot at DBA. > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #115 ***************************** ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4130AB66.1020005 [at] comcast.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:57:26 -0700 From: mat goebel Subject: Re: Fake wrought iron railings References: In-Reply-To: For a scenic question like that I would normally reccomend searching the halloween list archives, but their search function seems to be down at the moment. Subscription information for the list, however, can be found at http://www.wildrice.com/Halloween-L/ . If you subscribe and post your question, theyre a very friendly group of people that I'm sure will be more than happy to answer your questions and brag about how they've pulled off whatever scenic/prop project you're working on. -- Mat G. Entertainment Technical Services Paramount's Great America "Remember kids, an *actor* shot Abe Lincoln." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4130C306.4080601 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:38:14 -0700 From: "Bryan H. Ackler" Organization: Va. Tech - Vassar - USITT - NTHP Subject: Re: New Labor Rules References: In-Reply-To: I agree, reading the entire document is ultimately essential to a complete understanding, I was trying to convey was that while the specifics of the rulings, e.g. salary, titles, etc. have changed, for example the 20% restriction on manual labor to retain Administrative Exemption has not changed. Hence the note referencing the court ruling. Also, the forty hour work week is a criteria by which a work week is judged, but the eight hour day is not a hard criteria, hence the use of four ten hour days is generally legal. Now other hour/day variations do generally fall under other criteria such as meal breaks, continuous work hours/days, state laws, local laws, employment agreements, etc.. And in a court-of-law, unofficial working agreements that are not on paper are worth the paper that they are printed on. Try to collect on a years worth of unofficial self-documented compensatory time when the season is over or the building has opened. Bryan H. Ackler Portland, Oregon ====================================================================== Now remember, the new regs are a minimum requirement of the federal gov't. Anyone who works more than forty hours in a work week, or eight hours in a day, is working overtime regardless of what some bean counter wishes to call it. These folk SHOULD get some sort of compensation for the 'above and beyond'. Some un-official (but equally as public and important) privilege or access, time off when no one is looking, something, should be available for those that contribute more. I'm thinking that three twelves or four tens are a different story, and the three day or four day weekend are compensation for those. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ ======================================================================= From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:17:27 -0400 Subject: Re: new labor rules >> >> Unfortunately, it seems that the new rules don't throw out the >> old ones only modify them. Interesting argument: The rules are the same, only different. I wonder, if a rule is changed, is it a new rule, or simply an old rule that has been changed? What is the essential identity of a rule? Is it the clause number? If it is, does it become a new rule if the document is renumbered? If the words are changed but the clause number isn't, is it still the same rule, although it means something different now? While I find this sophistry amusing, it's not very helpful. Better to assume that the whole thing is different and READ IT. Assume nothing is the same. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:55:28 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1266734735.20040828125528 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re[4]: Light a fire from afar In-Reply-To: References: Howdy! Friday, August 27, 2004, Don Taco wrote: dt> Select an 'honor guard' and give them each a laser pointer to dt> 'aim' at the fire and 'start' it with. That is a terrific idea! They'll go around everywhere the next three weeks pointing their lasers at everything trying to get more stuff to ignite! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v2.10.1 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:08:51 -0400 Subject: Re: New Labor Rules From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I haven't had a chance to read the document. How does this apply to non-profits? Steve on 8/28/04 1:38 PM, Bryan H. Ackler at backler [at] ix.netcom.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I agree, reading the entire document is ultimately essential to a > complete understanding, I was trying to convey was that while the > specifics of the rulings, e.g. salary, titles, etc. have changed, for > example the 20% restriction on manual labor to retain Administrative > Exemption has not changed. Hence the note referencing the court ruling. > > Also, the forty hour work week is a criteria by which a work week is > judged, but the eight hour day is not a hard criteria, hence the use > of four ten hour days is generally legal. Now other hour/day variations > do generally fall under other criteria such as meal breaks, continuous > work hours/days, state laws, local laws, employment agreements, etc.. > > And in a court-of-law, unofficial working agreements that are not on > paper are worth the paper that they are printed on. Try to collect on > a years worth of unofficial self-documented compensatory time when the > season is over or the building has opened. > > Bryan H. Ackler > Portland, Oregon > > ====================================================================== > Now remember, the new regs are a minimum requirement of the federal > gov't. Anyone who works more than forty hours in a work week, or eight > hours in a day, is working overtime regardless of what some bean counter > wishes to call it. These folk SHOULD get some sort of compensation for > the 'above and beyond'. Some un-official (but equally as public and > important) privilege or access, time off when no one is looking, > something, should be available for those that contribute more. > I'm thinking that three twelves or four tens are a different story, and > the three day or four day weekend are compensation for those. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > ======================================================================= > From: "Karl G. Ruling" > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:17:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: new labor rules >>> >>> Unfortunately, it seems that the new rules don't throw out the >>> old ones only modify them. > > Interesting argument: The rules are the same, only different. > > I wonder, if a rule is changed, is it a new rule, or simply an old > rule that has been changed? What is the essential identity of a rule? > Is it the clause number? If it is, does it become a new rule if the > document is renumbered? If the words are changed but the clause > number isn't, is it still the same rule, although it means something > different now? > > While I find this sophistry amusing, it's not very helpful. Better to > assume that the whole thing is different and READ IT. Assume nothing > is the same. > > > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <861BF97E-F91E-11D8-AAE4-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: a job posting Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:17:30 -0700 > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 klyphs [at] earthlink.net wrote: > >> I do not doubt that you have legitimate complaints about your present >> employer, but I wonder if airing them in a very public forum is in >> your >> best interest. >> What I see here, is a bad situation, full of anger and resentments. In my experience, no matter how badly I feel I have been treated, I find that I have _ALWAYS_ had a part in it. In this case moving on seems that it will help all concerned, but potty-mouthing the place will do you absolutely no good, and won't hurt the place at all. The only outcome of this is that people will perceive you, (right or wrong) as someone who can't play well with others. Airing the dirty laundry on the list, really helps no one. My .02 Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040828121341.0183cc20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:13:41 From: CB Subject: Light a fire from afar >>Maybe I could rig up a 10 megawatt laser.... > >Don't forget a hazer so that you get the full effect. And use Herrick's Taser to start the whole thing off. You could have a laser-hazer-bannanna-fanna-b0-taser (thank you Steve Jackson...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040828122005.0183cc20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:20:05 From: CB Subject: RE: a job posting > I wonder if airing them in a very public forum is in your best >interest. >Again, I am sure you have valid complaints. Uhm, Klyph, I think this is just what this public forum is about. I'm thinking that he stated facts, and those that were his feelings were stated as his feelings. And yeah, he had very valid complaints, an those should be noted by the others of us on the list that may be thinking of taking the gig. Forewarned is fore-armed, as the saying goes. Jeff was very kind to his former employer, and I'm not sure that I would have been able to excercise the restraint that he has. He was absolutely insulted when they decided to give 'the next guy' the raise and benefits that should have been his. With a 30% bump and bennies, Jeff may have even stayed there and been happy. Its far too common for bean counters to use folk up like tissue and move on to the next. Anything that Jeff can do to keep this from happening to me or any one of us is a good thing (tm). Never stop telling me. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: a job posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, CB wrote: > Uhm, Klyph, I think this is just what this public forum is about. I'm > thinking that he stated facts, and those that were his feelings were > stated as his feelings. I hate to make this sound like I'm picking on Jeff. I don't know him, I don't know his former employer. I have no way of knowing who is right, and the only reason I comment is that Jeff chose to make his situation public. The problem is, there are always (at least) two sides to a story and we have only heard one. Or should we just automatically accept anything posted here as gospel? I agree about the insult in offering the next guy more, and pointed this out awhile back. But *what if* his employer was not happy with Jeff's work, and now that Jeff's leaving has decided they want someone with more experience? Have you ever had to let someone go? Should everyone automatically assume that you were wrong to do this? And if someone leaves your employ, should you not be able to pay their replacement more? Also, can we turn the situation around? What if I hire someone and they turn out to be incompetent and create a big problem for my company so I have to let them go? This has happened to me. Was I wrong to let him go? Would it have been better to let them create a bigger and bigger problem and drive away the other talented people at my company who worked under him? Following your logic, I should post the person's name here and tell everybody not to hire them; that would be a "public service". Or do you have a double standard when it comes to this situation? If I did post such a message, would you want to hear the other guy's side of the story? All these questions are tough ones. But if people just don't badmouth each other in public then we don't have to ask or answer them. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:23:30 -0700 Subject: Re: a job posting Message-ID: <20040828.134509.3348.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg But, wouldn't YOU want to be 'tipped off' to a potentially undesirable, mentally unhealthy, or overly fatiguing and therefore unsafe situation prior to quitting your current employment, pulling up stakes, and moving away? How can we be warned of these dangers in time, if no one has the guts to speak the truth whatever the cost? /s/ Richard ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ From: Subject: RE: a job posting Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:47:16 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I am all for forwarned is forearmed. There are a few people I would never work with/ for again. But, I certainly would not offer their names in public. If someone asks my opinion privately, I will certainly give itin as tactful a manner as possible. A better approach might have been simply to post the job listing and offer to speak privately with anyone who might be interested. As someone who has worn the hiring hat, I am instantly suspicious of anyone who trashes a former employer while trying to gain employment with whatever company I am working with. Klyph Stanford >> I wonder if airing them in a very public forum is in your best >>interest. >>Again, I am sure you have valid complaints. >Uhm, Klyph, I think this is just what this public forum is about. < And yeah, he had very valid complaints, an those should Subject: RE: a job posting Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: You simply ask in a public forum, like this list, if anyone has ever worked for XYZ, and then ask them to contact you privately. Klyph Stanford Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:57:48 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Arena Lighting References: Dave Bowman wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Gang, > > Looking to the wisdom of the list. I've been asked to design a lighting > rig for a horse show (read: equestrian competition - jumping, dressage, > etc...). The show takes place in a War Memorial arena. I need to cover > an area larger than a hockey rink. I've been asked to design, because > the merc vapor units in the arena do not dim (on or off with a definite > "cycle-time" from strike to full) and they want to do something > "interesting" for the competition. So my question to the list is, can > anyone recommend a unit/fixture for me to look at? Something that dims > is necessary, and something that either takes color or a scroller. My > thought is units that would point straight down and wash the floor > (shadows are an issue and light into the horses eyes is an absolute > no-no). The mercs would be fine (quality/direction wise) for the > competition, but they don't dim. The trim height is 40' Since this will > be a major rig, I know that I'm looking at a truss set-up rented from > one of the big houses (i.e. FourthPhase or similar). At the moment (for > the next 6 days), money is no object. > > Any suggestions? > > TIA!!!! > > dave B. How big are the existing lamps? Could you rig a scroller to them with various neutral density gels for dimming? ( and fans to keep the gel from melting and dripping on the horses. :-) ) A second scroller with colors and bob's your uncle. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4130F455.61A43CED [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:08:37 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Light a fire from afar References: "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello fellow geniuses! > > I have a scout program coming up the first week of November where a > large campfire is involved, and I always try to come up with ingenious > and spectacular methods of igniting it by remote control. I've already > done most of the ways of igniting it from inside the wood pile using > road flares and similar arsonistic devices, but what I'd like to do > this time would be for the Finger of God to streak down out of the > clear sky overhead and set the thing ablaze in a ball of white hot > glory but, so far as I am aware, God has not put me on his agenda for > that evening which, I am sure, is a failure on my part and not His. > > So I was thinking about using primer cord because of the desired speed > of ignition but PC isn't real spectacular to watch, so I thought about > magnesium ribbon which would be spectacular to watch but not produce > the desired speed. > > Perhaps I could enlist the Hamster Team after they finish their gig in > Athens and have about fifty of them run down a length of trick line > carrying miniature Olympic torches, but since I would also expect them > to leap honorably into the ensuing pyre, I suppose the Hazardous Pay > rider on their contract would price that idea out of the Troop's > budget. > Rig a piece of woven fishing line from your launch point to the fire. Get the smallest model rocket motor that your local hobby shop stocks. Glue a guide tube to the side of the motor. Reinforce the glue with a wrap of gaff tape. Extend the tube about six inches beyond the end of the tube on the exhaust end. Protect the tube from the exhaust heat with another strip of gaff tape. The hobby shop also has remote igniter systems and supplies. Rig multiple igniters to the fire and the rocket. ( Hobby shop igniters are less reliable. ) Fire the rocket and having timed the flight time from your test shots, you know when to fire the fireplace igniter. When the fire starts, it will burn through the guide cord. Rig the launcher end of the guide cord with a weight and pulley so that the cord is pulled back out of sight and doesn't drop on someone's head. This also serves as a tensioning system so that it doesn't sag as much. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:53:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Light a fire from afar From: Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Dale, I think you need to meet up with Reuben Goldberg (another lister) and go into business. I see a bright future. On Saturday, Aug 28, 2004, at 17:08 America/New_York, Dale Farmer wrote: >> > > Rig a piece of woven fishing line from your launch point to the > fire. > Get the smallest model rocket motor that your local hobby shop > stocks. Glue a guide tube to the side of the motor. Reinforce the > glue with a wrap of gaff tape. Extend the tube about six inches > beyond the end of the tube on the exhaust end. Protect the tube > from the exhaust heat with another strip of gaff tape. > The hobby shop also has remote igniter systems and supplies. > Rig multiple igniters to the fire and the rocket. ( Hobby shop > igniters are less reliable. ) > Fire the rocket and having timed the flight time from your test > shots, you know when to fire the fireplace igniter. When the fire > starts, it will burn through the guide cord. Rig the launcher end > of the guide cord with a weight and pulley so that the cord is pulled > back out of sight and doesn't drop on someone's head. This > also serves as a tensioning system so that it doesn't sag as much. > > --Dale > > > > Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:02:29 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: a job posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 klyphs [at] earthlink.net wrote: > You simply ask in a public forum, like this list, if anyone has ever worked > for XYZ, and then ask them to contact you privately. And, conversely, I have given notice in the past that if anyone wants to ask me about our experiences working with independents they are invited to email me privately to provide a report if we have one for the persnn(s) involved. Interestingly, this rarely happens and I suspect that the theatre biz is so small that reputations usually precede those who deserve to have one (good or bad ;-) I will say now that Jeff has, on this list, always disported himself well, has provided good comments and useful information and in a few private emails with Jeff has come off as being extremely professional and knowledgeable. Given that history, I would tend to believe his story ;-) But I do agree all such dirty laundry should be aired offlist and Jeff probably should just have said "here's a job posting - it's my old job and anyone interested in it should definitely communicate with me privately for further information" Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c48d4d$44ae7a60$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: a job posting Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:20:47 -0700 > Or should we just automatically accept > anything posted here as gospel? I accept everything posted here as gospel. Why, Frank Wood told us that Stage Managers are unnecessary and tend to complicate matters, so I have banned them, and refuse to work with/hire them anymore. Just trying to lighten the mood. (And I no longer use colour washes, either, when I'm lightening the mood.) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:18:12 -0800 From: Jeff Kanyuck Subject: Re: a job posting Message-id: <003a01c48d55$4a60c910$ed4ced18 [at] Jeff> References: hum.. Ok, I'm properly chastised. I do usually keep this type of stuff to myself, in fact am known for working well with people in such a way that whatever they do or say that makes most people angry, and quit, just rolls off my shoulders while I keep my mouth shut and keep working. I simply felt so insulted when I was given the ad to pass around that .... I couldn't keep the state of the job to myself anymore, they said they just couldn't afford to do more for me. If they were unhappy with my work, (which according to my yearly reviews they were exstatic about my work and ability to maintain a good working relationship with difficult incoming artists) they should have let me know so that I could have changed what I was doing. Or moved on earlier. Yes, I agree it takes two to allow someone being taken advantage of. I guess I sure did that. Yes, I agree there are two sides to every story. Please feel free to call them and ask them theirs, 907-279-8099 ask for Gene Dugan or Jay Brause. They're actually a great couple of guys. I guess I just don't like the way "I" feel like I've been treated after all is said and done. How would I speak of you in an equally public forum? That depends on how you treat me. I believe in honesty, and a fair shake. You want something from me, you tell me. Don't say I'm doing a good job to my face and then tell others I'm not. I'll treat you well, at least for the first few times you screw me just to show you that I can be someone to work with and get things done and be nice about it. If you have qualms about employing me because of something I said about someone else, then maybe you feel that you are on the edge of treating employees badly and something might get said about you. I won't say something about anything or anyone with out facts to be able to back them up. Here I go again, and I do appologise for it. I dont' even remember who said it so that wasn't even aimed at anyone in particular. I'll stop airing my dirty laundry. I just wanted to vent and I guess this was the wrong place to do it. Jeff Kanyuck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:26:15 -0800 From: Jeff Kanyuck Subject: Re: a job posting Message-id: <004d01c48d56$6ac13f90$ed4ced18 [at] Jeff> References: And.. just so it's clear, I have never intended to .. insult or critisize anyone, especially on this list nor those I was working for. Though I suppose it could be taken I critisized the people I was working for. I would have to say .. it was the JOB I was critisizing. The situation I was in. That was my intent anyways. Everyone Please.. have a good weekend, and be safe. Also when lightening things up.. it's always a good idea to use plenty of nails to hold it up. Their sheer rating is higher. Jeff Kanyuck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: a job posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, I certainly don't think anything ill of you. Your post has sparked some interesting issues and obviously people have strong feelings both ways. And I think it serves to amplify the point that such things are best kept private. If you post something here you have to expect that people are going to comment on it. Have a good weekend as well, and I wish you all the best in your new job! Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <105.4f76dfaa.2e62b064 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:07:00 EDT Subject: Re: Protests in NYC. Guess what guys? My oldest daughter got arrested during a protest Friday night in NYC. She didn't get hurt or anything and she's out now. Gotta tell ya, I am one proud Dad. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15.31a31754.2e62b1ec [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:13:32 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Protests in NYC. Cc: Bsapsis [at] aol.com In a message dated 8/28/4 11:07:45 PM, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote: <> There goes your security clearance... guess Delbert will have to hang the White House wreath now. Kristi :) ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:20:06 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Protests in NYC. Cc: MissWisc [at] aol.com In a message dated 8/29/04 12:13:32 AM, MissWisc writes: << There goes your security clearance... guess Delbert will have to hang the White House wreath now. >> Nope. If they need anything there I fully intend for it to be me that they call. They haven't had a wreath at the White House for the last four years. And her being arrested has nothing to do with me. And just to set the record straight, she is following in her dear old Dad's footsteps. I did my share (and then some) of protesting in the 70's. When I was first asked to work at the White House I didn't think there was a chance that I'd get the security clearance. But I did. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040829053727.79515.qmail [at] web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Hedda Gabler Dueling Pistols When I did it (and it's been a while, so I don't have access to these pistols anymore), we used replica wooden pistols with a metal hammer which hit when you pulled the trigger. [AFAIK, we bought ours at the "Pirates of the Caribean" gift shop at Disney world. Do they have them at Disney stores?] We took plastic ring caps for a cap gun (the plastic kind in a little ring, not the paper ones in strips), and cut them apart into individual units. Then, we used rubber cement to attach one cap to the metal plate, and when the hammer came down on it, puff and bang and sometimes a little spark ensued. Worked for us. Worked so well, in fact that we used the same guns rigged the same way for "The Mystery of Irma Vep" the next season. FWIW - June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #116 *****************************