Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4314851; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 03:00:59 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #121 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 03:00:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #121 1. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Kåre Olai Lindbach 2. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Erwin Rol 3. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Charlie Richmond 4. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Erwin Rol 5. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Kåre Olai Lindbach 6. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Charlie Richmond 7. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Kåre Olai Lindbach 8. Re: Mac OS equivalent of SFX? by Charlie Richmond 9. BFA vs BA by "Mike Burnett" 10. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Charlie Richmond 11. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Charlie Richmond 12. Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin by Erwin Rol 13. lavs by CB 14. Mac OS equivalent of SFX? by CB 15. Re: moving light by "Chad Croteau" 16. Re: relationships WAS: Tools for da road by Greg Bierly 17. Re: Truss Questions by Dale Farmer 18. Re: moving light by "will kent" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:42:42 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: References:

In-Reply-To: On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:08:03 +0200, you (Erwin Rol ) wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 13:46, Kåre Olai Lindbach wrote: > >> Nice. Thanks. I have already had good use of Ethereal with Art-Net, >> using earlier version. > >I have a question for you, and others that use ethereal in combination >with Artnet, could you send me some capture files of Artnet "sessions". >I use those files as reference files, to test if everything works. I just jumped around and startet my testmachine, but regretfully I have deleted all my tcpdumps regarding my Art-Net testing :-( (*) I will try to remember it when I do a new round on Chamsys MaqicQ and Lightfactory and others, hopefully within a few months. I, and others, will see you at PLASA? (I will be there all days, some of the time helping out at JJ20/Enttec). (*) There were some MIDI-stream-dumps left, in case you want some, I guess not!! -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1094126751.19579.117.camel [at] drake.home.erwinrol.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:05:52 +0200 Hey Kåre, On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 13:42, Kåre Olai Lindbach wrote: > I just jumped around and startet my testmachine, but regretfully I > have deleted all my tcpdumps regarding my Art-Net testing :-( (*) Oh to bad, maybe next time. (**) > I will try to remember it when I do a new round on Chamsys MaqicQ and > Lightfactory and others, hopefully within a few months. That would be nice, but no problem when you forget. > > I, and others, will see you at PLASA? (I will be there all days, some > of the time helping out at JJ20/Enttec). No this years budget doesn't allow me to (even though I got a free ticket from Enttec). > > > (*) There were some MIDI-stream-dumps left, in case you want some, I > guess not!! (**) Actually that might be interesting. Cause MIDI message dissection would also fit well in the Ethereal GUI. I will ask the "chief" developers what their opinion is on adding support for "strange" networks like MIDI. But even if it can't capture real MIDI the upcoming MIDI over Ethernet MWPP could be supported. So if you still have those dumps i would be interested in them :-) - Erwin -- Erwin Rol Software Engineering - http://www.erwinrol.com/ tel:+49-(0)8024-479378 gsm:+49-(0)171-6929198 email:info [at] erwinrol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:21:41 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Erwin Rol wrote: > MIDI over Ethernet MWPP could be supported. So if you still have those Just to remind people that this is now called RTP-MIDI: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/pubs/txt/current-guide.txt http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/pubs/txt/current-rtp-midi.txt We are hoping for major acceptance of MIDI in many areas including show control and lighting because of this. Also, there has been a discussion on the show control list of Motorola's new patent: http://tinyurl.com/5pef9 Which has caused a kerfuffle within the MMA... Enjoy! Charlie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1094128308.19579.122.camel [at] drake.home.erwinrol.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:31:49 +0200 On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 14:21, Charlie Richmond wrote: > > MIDI over Ethernet MWPP could be supported. So if you still have those > > Just to remind people that this is now called RTP-MIDI: > Oops I stand corrected :-) > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/pubs/txt/current-guide.txt > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/pubs/txt/current-rtp-midi.txt > > We are hoping for major acceptance of MIDI in many areas including show control > and lighting because of this. Do you know of any "simple" reference implementation, that could be used to testing ? > Also, there has been a discussion on the show > control list of Motorola's new patent: > > http://tinyurl.com/5pef9 > I know, I helped carrying some canisters of oil in that direction :-) > Which has caused a kerfuffle within the MMA... > > Enjoy! > Charlie - Erwin -- Erwin Rol Software Engineering - http://www.erwinrol.com/ tel:+49-(0)8024-479378 gsm:+49-(0)171-6929198 email:info [at] erwinrol.com ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:32:10 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: References:

In-Reply-To: On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:05:52 +0200, you (Erwin Rol ) wrote: [Ethereal and dumps] >> (*) There were some MIDI-stream-dumps left, in case you want some, I >> guess not!! > >(**) Actually that might be interesting. Cause MIDI message dissection >would also fit well in the Ethereal GUI. I will ask the "chief" >developers what their opinion is on adding support for "strange" >networks like MIDI. But even if it can't capture real MIDI the upcoming >MIDI over Ethernet MWPP could be supported. So if you still have those >dumps i would be interested in them :-) Ops, spoke too soon. They were overwritten with repeatedly almost-none-informative MIDI-stuff. I will try to remember it next time I do a MIDI over ethernet to lightboard testsetup... -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:38:02 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Erwin Rol wrote: > Do you know of any "simple" reference implementation, that could be used > to testing ? Not specifically but you could certainly email Lazzaro since they most likely have all sorts of test procedures and programs. Of course, it will all be part of every computer OS fairly soon ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=E5re_Olai_Lindbach?= Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:40:53 +0200 Organization: LLP Message-ID: References:

In-Reply-To: On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:21:41 +0100 (BST), you (Charlie Richmond ) wrote: >On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Erwin Rol wrote: > >> MIDI over Ethernet MWPP could be supported. So if you still have those > >Just to remind people that this is now called RTP-MIDI: > >http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/pubs/txt/current-guide.txt >http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/pubs/txt/current-rtp-midi.txt > >We are hoping for major acceptance of MIDI in many areas including show control >and lighting because of this. Also, there has been a discussion on the show >control list of Motorola's new patent: > >http://tinyurl.com/5pef9 > >Which has caused a kerfuffle within the MMA... Howcome is it possible to patent this, which I presume has been in common knowledge/use for years? I just scanned through, what is the revieling new invention here? Is this patent due outside US? Pls bear over with me. Any links to fora discussing this? -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach (News: Remove '_delete_' and '.invalid') (HTML-written email from unknown will be discarded) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:40:40 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Mac OS equivalent of SFX? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Nicholas Kuhl wrote: > I don't know about the playback software, but you could run VirtualPC, There was a recent thread on the SFX-Users list wherein someone told of horrible things(TM) happening running SFX with VirtPC so it's not recommended... ;-) The closest I know of is Cricket: http://www.soundcrack.net/cricket/ On another level entirely is our upcoming Mac software for the AudioBox, ABShowMaker.... Enjoy! Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Subject: BFA vs BA Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" Greetings all, Our department is having discussions on whether or not we should create a BFA program in theatre. Currently we have a healthy BA with concentrations in Performance and Design/Tech. We are looking at augmenting the curriculum by creating the BFA in Performance and BFA in Design/Tech and then making the BA more of a Generalist, liberal arts degree. My questions are: 1) What are the strengths of a BFA over a BA program (both for students and for the institution)? Are students able to get work or get into a grad program easier? 2) The inverse of #1, what are the strengths of a BA over a BFA? 3) How many hours do you require for a BFA? Is your curriculum online to where we might look at it for an example? 4) How many faculty does your department have? 5) How many productions per year does your department produce? Are these Mainstage, Studio, Lab productions? 6) What is your annual budget for productions? Does the size and scope of the productions impact the curriculum? Is the budget enough? 7) If you could change anything about your current program, what would it be? 8) What are your production facilities like? What about auxiliary (shops, storage, rehearsal areas)? Are they adequate to support what you are doing (or want to do)? We basically have a chance to create a brand new curriculum here, and want to make sure we get it as close to right as we can. I realize that most of these questions have pretty lengthy answers. Any help you all can offer would be great.=20 Thanks, M Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre Huntington College Honoring Christ in Scholarship and Service 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your speaking and in all your knowledge.=20 --1 Corinthians 1:4-5=20 "We are such stuff as dreams are made on and our little life is rounded with a sleep..." --The Tempest (IV:1, 156-157) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:05:02 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Erwin Rol wrote: > Do you know of any "simple" reference implementation, that could be used > to testing ? Not specifically but you could certainly email Lazzaro since they most likely have all sorts of test procedures and programs. Of course, it will all be part of every computer OS fairly soon ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:08:48 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, K O Lindbach wrote: > Howcome is it possible to patent this, which I presume has been in > common knowledge/use for years? This gets discussed frequently since all patents are in a sense common knowledge - it's just the first person who patents a unique process who gets the patent. > I just scanned through, what is the revieling new invention here? Probably the most restrictive claims - the three at the end, which are rather unique. > Is this patent due outside US? No idea... > Pls bear over with me. Any links to fora discussing this? Join the Show-Control list to participate in a fairly lively discussion and check the archives for what has been said so far. See my sig below for more info... Cheers, Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ +------ To get info or join the Show Control Mailing List go to: ------+ +----------- http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html -----------+ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ethereal Artnet Plugin From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1094151272.19579.362.camel [at] drake.home.erwinrol.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:54:32 +0200 On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 15:05, Charlie Richmond wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > Not specifically but you could certainly email Lazzaro since they most likely > have all sorts of test procedures and programs. That would be appreciated. I network dump would be nice too :-) > Of course, it will all be part of every computer OS fairly soon ;-) Of course the first OS that will have it is Long Delay uhhh Long Horn. > > Charlie - Erwin -- Erwin Rol Software Engineering - http://www.erwinrol.com/ tel:+49-(0)8024-479378 gsm:+49-(0)171-6929198 email:info [at] erwinrol.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040902145630.0184a610 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:56:30 From: CB Subject: lavs >I already know you get what you pay for... > >I am wondering if anyone has some ideas for lavs about the size of the >MKE II that retails for less I'm guessing that you know this, but need to have it re-iterated: 1. Size is less important than performance. 2. You get what you pay for. As was mentioned in a moving light thread earlier, you can find Mickey-toos used rom some of the rental houses or maybe e-bay might have something (?!?) Get the best you can get, or deal with the results. Its cheaper to get a half dozen mickey-toos than it is to replace a half dozen cheaper mics every year or so. And proper care makes the mickeys last a good long while. As for the TA-4 connector, that to is going to be a cheaper way to go. Naked mics (or used mics with another connector) and a buncha connectors are going to be chaper than buying mics with the connector already attached. See #2. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040902150244.0184a610 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:02:44 From: CB Subject: Mac OS equivalent of SFX? >I don't know about the playback software, but you could run VirtualPC, >which lets you run Windows software on a Mac. I dunno about running real-time dependant software on VPC. It's great if you need to run a windows program occasionally, but it sure is a processor hog. Usually there ain't enough processor left over after it runs a Mac OS running a Windows OS... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002001c4913a$9730b960$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" References: Subject: Re: moving light Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:17:09 -0400 Hi Les. Have you looked into the AutoYoke? It basically takes a standards Source Four and turns it into a moving head instrument. You can also get various add-ons (iris, gobo rotator, gel scroller, etc.) to make it more versatile. You can check it out at www.citytheatrical.com. Have to admit from the get-go that I've never priced these units... Can't tell you how much they'd cost, or if it's in your price range... Hope this helps, Chad ----- Original Message ----- From: "LES LIND" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: moving light > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello List, > I have $1000.00, maybe a little more, and I'd like to get some sort of > moving light for our techies (and me) to work with to learn programing. > Other than the Rosco I-Que moving mirror, are there any other options in > that price range. How much more to get into something basic (moving > head) so that we can atleast aim light at the ever moving podium in our > auditorium. Should I look at something used? Our console is an Leviton > Innovator 48/96. > > Thanks > Les > > > Les Lind, TD > NHS Dramatics > Northeastern High School > Manchester, PA > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <83463576-FD67-11D8-8D0F-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: relationships WAS: Tools for da road Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:10:03 -0500 Any more details on that article. I tried a few google searches and came up empty. Anyone got an author or a few keywords I could look up (obviously a URL would be ideal). thanks On Sep 1, 2004, at 12:37 AM, Sunil Rajan wrote: > Ever read the article about A-list actresses and their B-list mates? > Funny stuff. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4137FED0.384F17A9 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:19:12 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Truss Questions References: "Stephen E. Rees" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi All, > We have been plagued with a "homemade" triangular lighting truss that > the state installed about 10 years ago. I won't burden you with all the > things that are wrong with it, but we think we have convinced campus > Environmental Health and Safety to find funding to replace it. I'd like > some opinions before I move too far forward if you don't mind. They > want us to do the initial specs for them. > > The proposed new truss will fit in a space just downstage of the > proscenium arch that is about 3 feet deep and about 30 feet tall. The > new truss can be up to 50' long. There is a center cluster speaker at > the DS edge of the space that the existing truss just passes by w/o > hitting. The existing truss is on two CM 1-ton motors which will be > reused. I also have 2 new CM 1-tons available if we wanted to split the > truss into 2 halves at the centerline. We would move the existing > points to accommodate this. We typically mount S4s on 19" centers with > cable bundles off both ends for an estimate of total load. > > Here are my questions then, after a perusal of Tomcat and Thomas catalogs. > > 1.Should we look at square, rectangular or triangular truss? The > existing one is triangular installed apex down which centers lighting > fixtures in the space. > Primarily an appearance question. Box type trusses are more common in my experience, so pricing may favor them a bit. Box type trusses offer two places to hang lights underneath it, which does give a bit more design flexibility. > > 2.If we use triangular truss with the apex down, how much capacity is > lost by this method. All specs I see (and recommended installation) is > for apex up. Reduction info is not given. > Get engineering advice from the truss manufacturer on this. Beyond my level of knowledge. > > 3. If you had a choice, would you do one full-length truss or two > half-length pieces? I like the flexibility that two pieces would offer. > Touring truss comes in five and ten foot sticks that bolt together, this is something that you could potentially reconfigure for different shows. Give yourself several sets of hang points when you do the engineering studies gives you even more options. You can always rent in more truss and motors for a big show. > 4. How big does the truss have to be? 12x12, 12x18, 20.5x20.5, etc. > Pretty much a function of the weight you plan on flying. Run your calculations for the different sizes, pick point locations, and weight distributions. Find the solution that gives you the best for your shows. I find the larger sizes are easier to work with, but they may be overkill for your venue. If your building structure forces you to use widely separated pick points, then you will need stronger truss to hold the same weight in the middle. If you cannot find the original engineering studies that placed your pick points, having someone come in to do those studies to current standards is worth the cost. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "will kent" Subject: Re: moving light Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 05:14:17 +0000 Message-ID: I know a guy that has some MArtin 812s for 150 a piece and has 4 of them, they need work and as a high school student that would be out of my price range right now. contact me off the list and i can see if he still has them and could hook you up. Will Kent etcs4 [at] hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #121 *****************************