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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #129

 1. Re: storm
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
 2. FW: TD Position Available at Massasoit Community College
    by "Hofmann, Christopher" <chofmann [at] capecod.edu>
 3. JCB Air Nail Gun in Argos UK
    by "CrewCall.it" <crewcall [at] tiscali.it>
 4. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
    by "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
 5. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
    by Dave Reynolds <reynolds [at] Macalester.edu>
 6. Re: Dirt
    by mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
 7. Re: Dirt
    by "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
 8. Umbrella Source?
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
 9. Re: Umbrella Source?
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
10. Re: Umbrella Source?
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
11. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
12. Re: Umbrella Source?
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
13. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
    by "Michael Banvard" <mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
14. Re: storm
    by "Bob Robins" <hipplights [at] gator.net>
15. Re: Umbrella Source?
    by doran [at] bard.edu
16. Re: storm
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
17. Re: storm
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
18. Re: Dirt
    by doran [at] bard.edu
19. Re: Dirt
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
20. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
21. Re: storm
    by Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
22. Re: storm
    by "Bob Robins" <hipplights [at] gator.net>
23. Re: knots
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
24. Re: storm
    by "Bob Robins" <hipplights [at] gator.net>
25. Knot more!
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
26. Pyrotech
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
27. Patents in ACN and RDM
    by Erwin Rol <mailinglists [at] erwinrol.com>
28. Lightboard OMG!!!
    by mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
29. NFPA 1126
    by "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
30. Re: Umbrella Source?
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
31. Re: Stagecraft course
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
32. Re: Pyrotech
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
33. Re: Lightboard OMG!!!
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
34. Re: Grund Audio Design
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
35. Re: Stairs
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
36. Re: Stagecraft course
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
37. Lycra
    by "Warren Stiles" <w_stiles [at] techie.com>
38. Re: dirt
    by Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
39. Re: storm
    by Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
40. Re: Knot more!
    by "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
41. Re: storm
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
42. Re: dirt
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
43. Vectorworks question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
44. Re: Vectorworks question
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
45. Re: Vectorworks question
    by "Michael Banvard" <mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
46. Re: Vectorworks question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
47. Re: Vectorworks question
    by "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
48. Re: Stairs
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
49. D192 dimmer rack info
    by Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
50. Re: D192 dimmer rack info
    by "Tony Puglielli" <Tpuglielli [at] MILWAUKEEREP.com>
51. Re: LDI in October
    by <klyphs [at] earthlink.net>
52. Re: Vectorworks question
    by Steve Bailey <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
53. Re: D192 dimmer rack info
    by Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
54. RE Fog Curtain
    by Anthony <firework [at] firework.co.nz>
55. Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
    by "Jason" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
56. borderlining on OT: t-shirts
    by Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
57. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts
    by <klyphs [at] earthlink.net>

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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <15d.3ee766f4.2e72f0d2 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:58:10 EDT
Subject: Re: storm


In a message dated 9/9/04 9:30:01 PM, dan [at] mystykworks.com writes:

<< After a week without hot water or heat, no one is the right person to 
be spending time with.

On Sep 9, 2004, at 8:41 PM, Bsapsis [at] aol.com wrote:

>
> a hot night without ac... try a cold one without heat. >>
>
> Then you're not spending it with the right person......
>
> Bill S. >>


let me tell ya, , after spending hours each day removing debris and getting 
it by the side of the road for eventual pick up in 90 de weather and 100 % 
humidity, , cold showers NEVER felt so good,, 

one day I took four showers, it was the closest I had to aireconditioning.

thankfully, two blocks away a Tampa Public Library got it's electricity and 
other services restored on day two, they have 12 computer stations with high 
speed access, there was a 45 min wait for a timed 30 min slot on one of these 
computers all day Tuesday and Wednesday. Nice library, even has a in house 
coffee shop.

very best, 

Keith Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group
Tampa, FL

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Subject: FW: TD Position Available at Massasoit Community College
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:14:47 -0400
Message-ID: <56439B09A4ADDC46876BDFF2BBD35DF001C1749C [at] ex1.capecod.edu>
From: "Hofmann, Christopher" <chofmann [at] capecod.edu>

I'm just passing this information along - please direct any questions to =
email address at the bottom of the post.

- Chris

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title=20
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GENERAL STATEMENT OF DUTIES=A0=A0=A0=A0 Responsible for all technical =
aspects of the college theater facilities and manages technical =
operations for shows, concerts, convocations, presentations, workshops =
and theatrical events conducted in the theater facilities.=A0 Plans, =
schedules and conducts technical support for all events and performances =
in the campus 438-seat main theater and little theater.=A0 Serve as =
technical manager on all college-produced community/student theater =
productions.=A0 Is responsible for seeing that all theater spaces =
including house, stage, prop and set storage dressing and control rooms, =
storage spaces, costume and carpentry shop and loading dock are =
organized, cleaned and maintained.=A0 Maintain high standard for theater =
safety, including responsibility for compliance with all relevant codes =
and regulations including but not limited to local and state fire =
regulations, OSHA, EPA, and ADA regulations.=A0=A0=20
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technical theater work experience preferred.=A0 Minimum of three years =
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setting.=A0 Must be able to work a flexible schedule, including =
weekends, evenings and holidays.=A0 Must have strong oral and written =
communication skills.=A0 Must be experienced with computer-controlled =
theater lighting systems, and conventional computer office software =
including Office and PC applications.=A0 Experience with box office =
software or CAD software a plus.=20
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Message-ID: <000501c49730$7d3cfdb0$0100a8c0 [at] tricia>
From: "CrewCall.it" <crewcall [at] tiscali.it>
References: <list-4365695 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: JCB Air Nail Gun in Argos UK
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:19:58 +0100

UK Only


Hi,
Yes I know this is a cheap modle but if it takes type 90 series staples it
will do the job for me.
JCB Air Nail Gun in Argos UK.
So question any one know if it will take type 90 staples ?

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=2501&productId=100288

Or know where I can get on in the same price bracket in the uk new \ second
hand if it work I will have it.

Regards
Chris
(cheapskate)



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From: "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
Subject: RE: Remotely Firing a Pistol
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:32:09 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-4365269 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000004370727 [at] prxy.net>


Tony said...."

Of course, another low-tech solution would possibly be to have the talent
react to the SFX - ie effect was cued (either live as a slapstick or
playback from midi/CD) from a scripted cue and the talent reacts to the
bangs. Of course, this only works with a very practised actor and
on-the-ball soundie, but it's far from impossible and all it'll cost
you/them is time. 


Might be a bit difficult with rapid fire multiple shots,
tho...."

Remember the original request?  I don't think multiple shots is an issue
with this suicide scene.  Of course, there is the extrapolation and
extension beyond the original request, as this list is wont to do.

But, multiple gunshots that are part of the same cue, should be the same as
a single shot.

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:53:58 -0500
From: Dave Reynolds <reynolds [at] Macalester.edu>
Subject: Re:  Remotely Firing a Pistol
Message-id: <2147483647.1094802838 [at] [141.140.13.64]>

Hi again folks,


Thanks so much for all the advice.  I have to say that this show is 
intense, it is toured all over the upper Midwest and does have its 
challenges.  I was looking for an easy solution to the shootings.  Also, 
there is no Stage Manager to call cues for the show.  We go off the script. 
It does get a little difficult to time the "gunshots"...

BTW, I like the MIDI trigger idea, followed by the RF trigger.

Dave Reynolds

A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word!
   --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version



Dave Reynolds
Media Services
Macalester College
1600 Grand Ave.
St. Paul, MN  55105
voice:  (651) 696-6378
fax:      (651) 696-6304
reynolds [at] macalester.edu

DV Cassie with lots of fonts and effects, KRON and Final Cut Pro.


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Message-ID: <1094821759.4141a77fc6990 [at] mail.cumberlandcollege.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:09:19 -0400
From: mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
Cc: godwaldt [at] Oswego.EDU
Subject: RE: Dirt

Hello,

We did a production of Foxfire a couple of years ago and I made dirt as part of 
the design.

We used the sawdust from the dust collector. In a 5 gallon bucket we mixed 1 
pint of soupy paint to 4 gallons of dust and mixed it with a 5 gal. paddle 
stirer on a CORDED drill. (Sucks the life out of a cordless)  We were able to 
mix a number of different colors (different buckets) for texture highlights and 
shadows.

Don't know how it would fair with the hydralics but thought I would atleast 
toss the idea your way.

Moe


Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to Raise 
money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids. 
Check Out:  www.sapsis-rigging.com/LBLR.html



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Message-ID: <17d701c4973a$d54ff160$0600a8c0 [at] alf>
From: "Alf Sauve" <alf [at] sauve.org>
References: <list-4371024 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Dirt
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:33:55 -0400

Would Vermiculite(sp) be an alternative to dirt?  Cat Litter?

Alf


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Subject: Umbrella Source?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:16:03 -0700
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B732391A [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

Hey all.  I'm looking for ~20 black umbrellas, preferably full-size (not =
collapsible) with cane-style handles.  Cheaper is better.

Any ideas?

TIA,
Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu

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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <ba.60009257.2e731223 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:20:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Umbrella Source?


In a message dated 9/10/04 10:17:42 AM, rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

<< 

Hey all.  I'm looking for ~20 black umbrellas, preferably full-size (not 
collapsible) with cane-style handles.  Cheaper is better.


Any ideas?


TIA,

Randy Storms

rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu >>


sounds like you're doing OUR TOWN, , , , 

very best, 

Keith Arsenault

Tampa, FL

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Subject: RE: Umbrella Source?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:31:58 -0700
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B732391B [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>

>sounds like you're doing OUR TOWN
---------------------------------------------------
Yes - due to some staffing uncertainty this season, the director chose =
an opener with minimal tech demands.  Besides, a guy can never have too =
many umbrellas here in Washington State...

- r.

Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu







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Message-ID: <002101c49743$9388b6f0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
References: <list-4365695 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:36:35 -1000

<<Of course, another low-tech solution would possibly be to have the talent
react to the SFX ->>

It seems to me that this is the solution to the problem that has been
described.  The actor is "shooting" himself, yes?  Wouldn't it be simplest
for him to hold the gun to his head (or wherever) and wait for the sound
effect?

Usually the problem I have with sound effect gunshots is that they don't
seem to come from the gun but somewhere else... usually the speakers.

Laters,

Paul

"My name is Tom Riley" said Tom wryly.


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1e0.2a75aeb1.2e7315ee [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:36:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Umbrella Source?


In a message dated 9/10/04 10:33:14 AM, rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

<< Yes - due to some staffing uncertainty this season, the director chose an 
opener with minimal tech demands.  Besides, a guy can never have too many 
umbrellas here in Washington State...


- r.


Randy Storms

rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu >>

most umbrellas here in Florida are turned inside out at the moment

very best, 

Keith Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group
Tampa, FL

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From: "Michael Banvard" <mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Subject: RE: Remotely Firing a Pistol
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:42:38 -0500
Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest
Message-ID: <002501c49744$6b7eaa10$6601a8c0 [at] Gelert>
In-Reply-To: <list-4371493 [at] prxy.net>


> Usually the problem I have with sound effect gunshots is that 
> they don't
> seem to come from the gun but somewhere else... usually the speakers.

Just hopping in here...

What would the problem be, with a sound effect gun shot, if the speaker
was hidden in the set in close proximity to the "shot" itself, say
behind the actor in a book shelf?   Wouldn't the audience receive the
impression that the sound and the event occur in the same spot?

Haven't been following the thread, so forgive me if I am recapping.

- Michael.

Michael J. Banvard
SRI Midwest
Saint Louis, Missouri
(866) 773-1174
(314) 629-3644
(314) 773-1174 fax
http://www.sapsis-rigging.com



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From: "Bob Robins" <hipplights [at] gator.net>
Subject: RE: storm
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:43:32 -0400
Message-ID: <D365D01A2E29A74E8DEEE32D050E9DE909648F [at] invalid.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
In-Reply-To: <D365D01A2E29A74E8DEEE32D050E9DE9289E73 [at] invalid.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

Over 20,000 people still do not have power here in Gainesville.  You
would think that an evening in an air conditioned theatre would be
appealing.  Not even close to being right.  Our box office, or lack of
is killing us.  
Hope it stops raining so I can get that big oak tree out of my roof and
repair it.

Bob Robins
Resident Lighting Designer
Hippodrome State Theatre
352.373.5968
352.371.9130 fax
lighting [at] thehipp.org
 

>just got electric back on here in Tampa , , 

forgot what it was like to go through summer evenings in Florida without

aireconditioning, 

not something I want to repeat, 

and of course , here comes IVAN, 

it's not fair, , 



 

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Message-ID: <1094827995.4141bfdb8ee54 [at] webmail.bard.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:53:15 -0400
From: doran [at] bard.edu
Subject: Re: Umbrella Source?
References: <list-4371368 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-4371368 [at] prxy.net>

Randy,

Try Otto Morawetz, Inc.
       1500 Front Street
       Yorktown Heights, NY 10598
       (914) 245-7246
       e-mail:  omorex [at] aol.com
       Attn: Eddie

They took care of us pretty well when we needed 80 red umbrellas in just 
one day.  I imagine you'll have it pretty good if you give them a little lead 
time.  They await your e-mail or call.

Good Luck
Andy Champ-Doran
Technical Director
Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater


Quoting "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>:

> Hey all.  I'm looking for ~20 black umbrellas, preferably full-size (not
> collapsible) with cane-style handles.  Cheaper is better.
> Any ideas?
> Randy Storms
> rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu




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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:57:30 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: storm
Message-id: <4141C0DA.6228ACFD [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-4371558 [at] prxy.net>

Bob Robins wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------

> Hope it stops raining so I can get that big oak tree out of my roof and
> repair it.

Why on earth do you want to repair the Oak tree?

:-D

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: storm
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:00:47 -0700
Message-ID: <009401c49746$f50a3bd0$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-4371641 [at] prxy.net>

That was my question too. Doom or was that just the kernel of the
comment. A bit of a corn. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen
Litterst
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: storm

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Bob Robins wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------

> Hope it stops raining so I can get that big oak tree out of my roof
and
> repair it.

Why on earth do you want to repair the Oak tree?

:-D

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu


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Message-ID: <1094828768.4141c2e045204 [at] webmail.bard.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:06:08 -0400
From: doran [at] bard.edu
Subject: Re: Dirt
References: <list-4371024 [at] prxy.net> <list-4371157 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-4371157 [at] prxy.net>

Alf,

Seems to me Vermiculite is pretty dusty, and some even has asbestos in it.  
I dont know if it's still mixed with asbestos, but you'd want to check that out.  
Cat litter is very dusty.  We've used chopped rubber with no dust at all, but 
it sounds like this director wouldn't like the look. 

Good luck,
Andy Champ-Doran


Quoting Alf Sauve <alf [at] sauve.org>:
> Would Vermiculite(sp) be an alternative to dirt?  Cat Litter?
> Alf



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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Dirt
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:10:33 -0700
Message-ID: <00a001c49748$520b2c80$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-4371699 [at] prxy.net>

Vermiculite. Not if you can find some other safe product. Doom

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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
doran [at] bard.edu
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Subject: Re: Dirt

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Alf,

Seems to me Vermiculite is pretty dusty, and some even has asbestos in
it.  
I dont know if it's still mixed with asbestos, but you'd want to check
that out.  
Cat litter is very dusty.  We've used chopped rubber with no dust at
all, but 
it sounds like this director wouldn't like the look. 

Good luck,
Andy Champ-Doran


Quoting Alf Sauve <alf [at] sauve.org>:
> Would Vermiculite(sp) be an alternative to dirt?  Cat Litter?
> Alf



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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Remotely Firing a Pistol
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:19:44 -0700
Message-ID: <00a801c49749$9abeaa50$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-4371493 [at] prxy.net>

Do you recall the incident of Abe Lincoln in Illinois production. The
young man stepped into the box fire the gun, and no noise. He stepped
back. He then tried again. No noise. Where was the sound man and the
cue. He stepped back to shoot Lincoln, and no noise. So he improvised,
and clubbed Lincoln do death with the revolver. And the audience went
wild. True. Doom High school production before all of you were born. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Guncheon
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:37 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol

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<<Of course, another low-tech solution would possibly be to have the
talent
react to the SFX ->>

It seems to me that this is the solution to the problem that has been
described.  The actor is "shooting" himself, yes?  Wouldn't it be
simplest
for him to hold the gun to his head (or wherever) and wait for the sound
effect?

Usually the problem I have with sound effect gunshots is that they don't
seem to come from the gun but somewhere else... usually the speakers.

Laters,

Paul

"My name is Tom Riley" said Tom wryly.


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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:23:57 -0500
From: Fred Fisher <fwfisher [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: storm
In-reply-to: <list-4371558 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040910102158.00ba5388 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu>
References:
 <" <D365D01A2E29A74E8DEEE32D050E9DE9289E73" [at] invalid.168.192.in-addr.arpa>


>Our box office, or lack of
>is killing us.
>Bob Robins

Ticket sales are down all over the country for all forms of entertainment.
Fred 


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From: "Bob Robins" <hipplights [at] gator.net>
Subject: RE: storm
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:33:39 -0400
Message-ID: <D365D01A2E29A74E8DEEE32D050E9DE9096491 [at] invalid.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
In-Reply-To: <D365D01A2E29A74E8DEEE32D050E9DE9289EA9 [at] invalid.168.192.in-addr.arpa>

I knew it when I hit send. 
It is nice to have a laugh of any kind right now.
Thanks.

Bob Robins
Resident Lighting Designer
Hippodrome State Theatre
352.373.5968
352.371.9130 fax
lighting [at] thehipp.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen
Litterst
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:58 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: storm

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Bob Robins wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------

> Hope it stops raining so I can get that big oak tree out of my roof
and
> repair it.

Why on earth do you want to repair the Oak tree?

:-D

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:35:12 -0400
Subject: Re: knots
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BD6741EF.3E62%bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-4365695 [at] prxy.net>

>>>> What else?  Rope, a book...and a drink????
> 
>> Well -- occasionally, two ropes, or one rope and
>> something to tie it to. But
>> I bet you already knew that.  :)<<
> 
> I thought the drink was the something to tie it to...

So is that the origin of the drinking term: to "tie one on"?

Bruce
-- 
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House



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From: "Bob Robins" <hipplights [at] gator.net>
Subject: RE: storm
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:39:48 -0400
Message-ID: <D365D01A2E29A74E8DEEE32D050E9DE9096493 [at] invalid.168.192.in-addr.arpa>
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Yep, they are.
Throw in the mother nature factor and it really takes a dive. 
Pun intended.

Bob Robins
Resident Lighting Designer
Hippodrome State Theatre
352.373.5968
352.371.9130 fax
lighting [at] thehipp.org
 

Fred Fisher said:

Ticket sales are down all over the country for all forms of
entertainment.
Fred 

 

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:59:26 -0400
Subject: Knot more!
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BD67479E.5D8%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
In-Reply-To: <337430307.543001312.1412 [at] anthrax.middlebury.edu>

Delbert Hall wrote:

Asheley's book of knots has more than 4,000.  I am sure that there is
one for most needs without you have to invent a new one.

That being said, there are a surprisingly large number of knots still being
'invented' today.  Surprising, in that their use is not documented elsewhere
(hence invented, although who knows who may have used the knot unknowingly
through application of knot theory) despite people using knots as far back
as who knows, and also because they're relatively simple
knots.  One example is Blake's knot, which is a friction hitch used by
arborists attributed to Jason Blake.  The constrictor knot is supposed to
have been invented by Ashley himself, and that has theatrical uses.  There
are conventions and guilds for knot enthusiasts where new knots are
continually shown.  OK, as much as I like knots, I haven't gone to one of
these.  Yet.

If one is going to correct spelling (Prussic vs. Prussik), the prusik knot
is named for Dr. Karl Prusik, and was invented in 1931.  Pretty easy to
check with Google or any of a number of knot books.  Better yet, don't
bother unless someone asks for the help;  if they do, at least get it right.

And finally, anyone know how to tie an icicle hitch, or have pictures?  It's
also relatively new (20th c.), and named because it's supposed to cinch down
tight enough to hold if tied to an icicle.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


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Message-ID: <000401c4975d$0d617520$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
References: <list-4365695 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Pyrotech
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:38:52 -0400

I am looking for a Philadelphia certified Pyrotechnician.  We have a 
production of Phantom coming up in late Sept and early Oct and would like to 
use some flash powder/sparkle additive effects.  PFD will only allow 
certified techs to perform these effects, and you cannot be certified 
without being experienced (how you get experience when you cant legally 
practice is beyond me).  I am also a vol. firefighter but they wont even 
certify me.  We would be looking for the following dates Oct 5,6,7,8,9 at 
7pm and oct 9 and 10 at 1pm.  A VERY small monetary compensation may be 
available.

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu 


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Subject: Patents in ACN and RDM
From: Erwin Rol <mailinglists [at] erwinrol.com>
Message-Id: <1094838636.25826.77.camel [at] drake.home.erwinrol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:50:36 +0200

Apparently Vari-Lite and High End hold patents on technologies needed
for ACN and RDM, does anybody know anything about what those patents
could be, and how they could impact Open Source and Free Software
implementations of ACN and RDM ?

- Erwin



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Message-ID: <1094838757.4141e9e5eb380 [at] mail.cumberlandcollege.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:52:37 -0400
From: mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu
Subject: Lightboard OMG!!!

Hello Listers,

I was called this week to go over and checkout a lightboard for our local High 
School.  Well I have just returned and Oh My...

It is a :
Teatronics lC Series 2 (board)
Genesis 2400 Dimmer pack

I can get it up and running, but want to know if anyone can tell me if this is 
just a 2 scene preset board or can it be set up as a 24/48?
Second anyone know where I can get a manual for the system?

TIA

Moe




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Message-ID: <000201c4975f$d78e6fe0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil>
From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>
References: <list-4365695 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: NFPA 1126
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:58:50 -0400

Does anyone have a copy of NFPA 1126 that they could email or fax to me?
Fax is 610-660-1144.  Thanks.

Rob Carovillano
Technical Director
Bluett Theatre
Saint Joseph's University
610-660-1044
rcarovil [at] sju.edu

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <6b.334effb7.2e734581 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:59:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Umbrella Source?

In a message dated 10/09/04 15:17:42 GMT Daylight Time,=20
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes:

> Hey all.  I'm looking for ~20 black umbrellas, preferably full-size (not=20
> collapsible) with cane-style handles.  Cheaper is better.
> =20
>  Any ideas?

These tend to be pricey. My own cost me over =A370, some years ago. But I'm=20
still using it.


Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040910121113.01836798 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:11:13
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft course

>(the only time 
>I've ever found a monkee's fist useful was for hitting someone over the
head to 
>get their attention)

I keep a monkey's fist around a 1/2" ball bearing on my lanyard.  All the
other crap in front, ball bearing on the back, keeps things a bit balanced.
 Also, I can tie the monkey's fist on a piece of tie line or monofilament
and launch it over truss or doorways or whatever for a pull-cord for mic
lines.  They DO come in handy.  Know all the knowts you can, use the ones
you need when you need them!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <001b01c49768$3dd26c90$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony>
From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-4365695 [at] prxy.net> <list-4372959 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Pyrotech
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:59:04 +0100

From: "Rob Carovillano" <rcarovil [at] sju.edu>

> I am looking for a Philadelphia certified Pyrotechnician.  We have a
> production of Phantom coming up in late Sept and early Oct and would like
to
> use some flash powder/sparkle additive effects.  PFD will only allow
> certified techs to perform these effects, and you cannot be certified
> without being experienced (how you get experience when you cant legally
> practice is beyond me).  I am also a vol. firefighter but they wont even
> certify me.  We would be looking for the following dates Oct 5,6,7,8,9 at
> 7pm and oct 9 and 10 at 1pm.  A VERY small monetary compensation may be
> available.
>
> Rob Carovillano

Hi, Rob.
Not being Stateside, I don't have quite so many problems with pyro
legislation here in the UK (though we still operate to strict safety
guidelines). However, from years of listening to guys on here and rats talk
about the regs over there I'd say that 'experience' would be based on formal
training and regular work with a tech who IS certified. And I'm not
surprised you can't get certified on the basis of your firefighting
credentials - great though those may be, it's not necessarily pertinent to
knowing all of the relevant regs and procedures of operating flash kit.

Still, good luck in your search - I'm sure there'll be one around somewhere.

Ynot



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Message-ID: <002301c49768$a8f862e0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony>
From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
References: <list-4373139 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lightboard OMG!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:02:03 +0100

A quick glance at the Teatronics web site doesn't immediately give what you
need, but I'm sure the contact e-mail address would get you somewhere....

http://www.teatronics.com/

Ynot


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: Lightboard OMG!!!


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I was called this week to go over and checkout a lightboard for our local
High
> School.  Well I have just returned and Oh My...
>
> It is a :
> Teatronics lC Series 2 (board)
> Genesis 2400 Dimmer pack
>
> I can get it up and running, but want to know if anyone can tell me if
this is
> just a 2 scene preset board or can it be set up as a 24/48?
> Second anyone know where I can get a manual for the system?
>
> TIA
>
> Moe
>
>
>
>
> Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to
Raise
> money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids.
> Check Out:  www.sapsis-rigging.com/LBLR.html
>
>
>



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040910122813.01842c40 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:28:13
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Grund Audio Design

>Well, duh!  The Peavey's easy to tell cause it's got a great big logo on the 
>front, eh? ;-)

Well, duh!  I always suspected that you were a genuis, Charlie!  I have a
coupla old Peavey 118 subs that I used for RnR for a while, and occasional
hard duty gigs.  I've had them replace many a local sound system's low end,
that they had blown up, while there's were out getting repaired.  I could
tell you many stories about the 118's thumping along proudly, only to be
replaced again by the resident subs.  Which promptly blew again.  I dunno
if I'd spec Peavey gear for everything, but any environment theat doesn't
require 'pristine' sound, and the gear will suffer extended operator error
induced abuse, this stuff will take the punishment.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040910123121.01836798 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:31:21
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Stairs

>You need to decide on the interior and exterior radiuses

Only hippopotamusses use radiuses.  Hippopotamii use radii.
Latin grammer never REALLY comes in handy...

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:36:21 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft course
References: <list-4373559 [at] prxy.net>



CB wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> >(the only time
> >I've ever found a monkee's fist useful was for hitting someone over the
> head to
> >get their attention)
>
> I keep a monkey's fist around a 1/2" ball bearing on my lanyard.  All the
> other crap in front, ball bearing on the back, keeps things a bit balanced.
>  Also, I can tie the monkey's fist on a piece of tie line or monofilament
> and launch it over truss or doorways or whatever for a pull-cord for mic
> lines.  They DO come in handy.  Know all the knowts you can, use the ones
> you need when you need them!
>                                 Chris "Chris" Babbie
>                                 Location Sound
>                                 MON AZ

    I usually just tie a string to a roll of electrical tape.

       --Dale


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From: "Warren Stiles" <w_stiles [at] techie.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:06:27 -0500
Subject: Lycra
Message-Id: <20040910190627.221501F5569 [at] ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>

<P>Hello All,</P>
<P>I&nbsp; will soon be starting work on a box set that needs to be able to shrink, grow and generaly distort in a skewed sort of way. My current plan is to build the entire thing out of lycra, attaching the corners via tie-line to strategically placed pulleys in order to shrink/grow the walls. My questions are: </P>
<P>&nbsp;- Does anyone have experience working with this kind of material? </P>
<P>&nbsp;- Can anyone explain the difference between two-way spandex and lycra? </P>
<P>&nbsp;- Can it be painted without impeeding its ability to stretch, or will I need to stick to dyes? </P>
<P>&nbsp;- Is a surger the only way to stitch panels together/finish the edges, or is there a simpler alternative? </P>
<P>&nbsp;- Does anyone know of a good Mid-West distributer for this material in large formats? </P>
<P>&nbsp;- Is there anything that first time lycra users like myself should be aware of?</P>
<P>Thanks in advance for your advice</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; G. Warren Stiles<BR><BR></P><PRE>Dew knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl yore mistakes. - Brendan Hills</PRE><BR><BR>
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From: Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
Subject: Re: dirt
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:42:25 +0800

I agree that you should be very careful with sand.  I worked on the 
original production of Tina Howe's Coastal Disturbances, and not only 
did we have gritty sand dust in the shutters of all the lekos for years 
after, when it moved to Broadway (Circle-in-the-Square), they added a 
turntable to the set, which locked up immediately in spite of 
precautions taken.

I have seen ground-up tire rubber used to stand in for dirt onstage - 
clean, no organisms, no rot & mildew.  Maybe that might work for you.


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From: Brian Aldous <brian [at] tany.com>
Subject: Re: storm
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:45:29 +0800

Do you folks in Florida ever consider that Mother Nature may be giving 
you a hint? :)


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From: "Delbert Hall" <halld [at] etsu.edu>
Subject: RE: Knot more!
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:49:54 -0400
Organization: ETSU
Message-ID: <000201c4976f$598a5ae0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert>
In-Reply-To: <list-4372119 [at] prxy.net>

Blake's knot: Jason Blake described this knot in an article more than
ten years ago (May 1994) so it is not exactly a "new" knot. But was
Blake the inventor of this knot?  This same knot was also described in a
January 1991 article by Heinz Prohaska, and the knot is sometimes called
a Prohaska knot. I do not know if someone else invented it earlier - I
would say that there is a good possibility, but it is not document.
Geoffrey Budworth does include Blake's hitch in his book, so this is a
well known and documented knot.  Blake's hitch, for those who are
curious, is a variation on a Prusik (yes, this is the correct spelling)
knot.

You are correct that it would be easy to come up with many "new" knots,
since many knots are just variations of older knots. For example: What
do you call a Blake hitch that has one additional wrap than Blake used?
Answer:  Anything you want, because as far as I know, it would be a
"new" knot.  Coming up with "new" knots is fun (and takes a lot of
research to prove that it is a "new" knot).  But, before you start
trying to invent new knots, you probably need to know an awful lot of
the old one.

The only knot guild that I know of is in England.  If you know of any in
the USA, let me know.

Icicle hitch: Yes, I know how to tie an icicle hitch, but it is a very
difficult hitch to tie (especially with a long rope) and not one that I
really use.  Brion Toss describes it in his book, THE COMPLETE RIGGER'S
APPRENTICE.  This hitch will not slip, even if tied around a tampered
beam (I'm not sure about an icicle).  If you send me your fax number, I
will fax you the drawings and description of how to tie it.

-Delbert


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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:48:16 -0400
From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Subject: Re: storm
Message-ID: <70AAC1EE.7C1FD040.00002B9E [at] aol.com>

What was the hint from the last 30 years of practically no hurricanes on the Florida Gulf Coast then ? 

I  missed that I guess, , 

keith arsenault
iaeg, inc
tampa, fl

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:02:28 -0400
Subject: Re: dirt
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BD678094.1133%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-4373940 [at] prxy.net>

They used this in PT pits in the military until
people started showing an allergy for rubber.

Steve

on 9/10/04 3:42 PM, Brian Aldous at brian [at] tany.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I agree that you should be very careful with sand.  I worked on the
> original production of Tina Howe's Coastal Disturbances, and not only
> did we have gritty sand dust in the shutters of all the lekos for years
> after, when it moved to Broadway (Circle-in-the-Square), they added a
> turntable to the set, which locked up immediately in spite of
> precautions taken.
> 
> I have seen ground-up tire rubber used to stand in for dirt onstage -
> clean, no organisms, no rot & mildew.  Maybe that might work for you.
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: Vectorworks question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:22:58 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC98 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Must be the end of the week and the fact my brain cell is tired...

After spending most of the past year or so playing with VW10 at my old
job (and fiddling with an old copy of 8.5 at home), I have VW Spotlight
9 on my computer at the new office.  And I've been trying to set things
up and so forth, but something is happening which is really getting
annoying, and I was hoping someone out there could smack me upside the
head with a virtual clue-by-four and tell me what I'm doing wrong and
not seeing.

When I close one of the tool palettes (say, Walls), and try to bring it
back up from the Palettes menu, nothing happens.  Same with any of the
individual palettes below the separator bar (Walls, Spotlight,
Parametric Constraints, Truss).  I can't for the life of me figure out
why this is happening, and since this is an older copy I'm pretty sure
I'm past the 18 month limit for tech support from Nemetschek.

Can anyone help me out here?

------------------------------

From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: RE: Vectorworks question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:54:58 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
In-Reply-To: <list-4374244 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000004374426 [at] prxy.net>

Paul -
 
Have you tried going to a different Workspace?  The only thing that I can
figure out is that the one that you're currently using might be corrupted.

3 places you might want to try for help (if you can't get it by phone):
- The support forums at NNA's web site
(http://techboard.nemetschek.net/cgi/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi)
- Either the "generic" VW mailing list or the theatrical list.
(http://www.nemetschek.net/support/mailinglists.html)

I've had great luck getting help (both peer and NNA) on both of the latter.

Good Luck!

C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
www.landrudesign.com




>When I close one of the tool palettes (say, Walls), and try to 
>bring it back up from the Palettes menu, nothing happens.  
>Same with any of the individual palettes below the separator 
>bar (Walls, Spotlight, Parametric Constraints, Truss).  I 
>can't for the life of me figure out why this is happening, and 
>since this is an older copy I'm pretty sure I'm past the 18 
>month limit for tech support from Nemetschek.
>
>Can anyone help me out here?
>



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From: "Michael Banvard" <mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Subject: RE: Vectorworks question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:32:58 -0500
Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest
Message-ID: <003901c4977d$be475ab0$6601a8c0 [at] Gelert>
In-Reply-To: <list-4374244 [at] prxy.net>

I know that this might be really basic, and I don't mean to insult, but:

Is it possible that the Palettes are opening up outside of your monitors
viewing area, or under other windows?  Palettes can be set anywhere,
even off workspace if your settings and monitor don't work hand in hand.


This is a suggestion for the end of the week, answering questions that I
would have because of a burnt out brain.

- Michael

Michael J. Banvard
SRI Midwest
Saint Louis, Missouri
(866) 773-1174
(314) 629-3644
(314) 773-1174 fax
http://www.sapsis-rigging.com



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Subject: RE: Vectorworks question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:40:00 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AC99 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I know that this might be really basic, and I don't mean to=20
> insult, but:
>=20
> Is it possible that the Palettes are opening up outside of=20
> your monitors viewing area, or under other windows?  Palettes=20
> can be set anywhere, even off workspace if your settings and=20
> monitor don't work hand in hand.

No insult taken.  It's been one of those weeks.  I'd thought of this as
an option, though.

I've closed all the open documents so that the only things appearing on
the screen are the palettes below the separator bar that I CAN access.
There's no sign of other ones.  What gets me about it (and makes me
think they're not just hidden) is that the check mark that shows up on
subsequent clickings of the Palettes menu--the one that indicates the
palette in question is active, and can be unchecked to hide it--is still
not there.  Open Palette menu, click (the currently unchecked) Walls,
menu disappears and I expect Walls to show up.  It doesn't.  Open
Palette menu again, Walls still unchecked.  But that combination works
for other palettes, just not these.

------------------------------

From: "Kevin Patrick" <patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu>
Subject: RE: Vectorworks question
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:01:48 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-4374704 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000004374877 [at] prxy.net>

Did you at one time have two monitors?  They could be on a virtual desktop
to the left, top, bottom, right of your screen.  Ah, maybe change monitor
resolution to as high as you can get.  I think I've lost items before like
this in Photoshop.



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiner
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:40 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Vectorworks question

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>

---------------------------------------------------


> I know that this might be really basic, and I don't mean to 

> insult, but:

> 

> Is it possible that the Palettes are opening up outside of 

> your monitors viewing area, or under other windows?  Palettes 

> can be set anywhere, even off workspace if your settings and 

> monitor don't work hand in hand.


No insult taken.  It's been one of those weeks.  I'd thought of this as

an option, though.


I've closed all the open documents so that the only things appearing on

the screen are the palettes below the separator bar that I CAN access.

There's no sign of other ones.  What gets me about it (and makes me

think they're not just hidden) is that the check mark that shows up on

subsequent clickings of the Palettes menu--the one that indicates the

palette in question is active, and can be unchecked to hide it--is still

not there.  Open Palette menu, click (the currently unchecked) Walls,

menu disappears and I expect Walls to show up.  It doesn't.  Open

Palette menu again, Walls still unchecked.  But that combination works

for other palettes, just not these.


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1ac.292f2eb4.2e738773 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:40:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Stairs

In a message dated 10/09/04 20:32:40 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes:

> Only hippopotamusses use radiuses.  Hippopotamii use radii.
>  Latin grammer never REALLY comes in handy...

Evidently!

The formal plural of hippopotamus is hippopotami, and grammar is spelt as I 
just have.


Frank Wood

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Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040910160919.01b73ce8 [at] pop.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:13:49 -0700
From: Ron Cargile <rcargile [at] uci.edu>
Subject: D192 dimmer rack info

Hi All,

Here's a longshot...
Does anyone know where I might find any documentation for a LeeColortran 
Dimension192 dimmer rack?
I think the fan in mine has gone sneakers up.  I'd love to have more info 
on the rack before I tear into it and explore.

Thanks!
....Ron

__________
Ron Cargile
Electrics & Audio Supervisor
Claire Trevor School of the Arts
University of California, Irvine
(949) 824-4031


------------------------------

Subject: RE: D192 dimmer rack info
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:42:10 -0500
Message-ID: <1B8C3598EBB9C241BDC7E86AA1FB976135F09F [at] srv2mx.MILWAUKEEREP.COM>
From: "Tony Puglielli" <Tpuglielli [at] MILWAUKEEREP.com>

There are other interested parties.....my system nearly nose dived on me
this weekend. I don't quite trust the spit and zip ties holding it
together.

Tony Puglielli
Associate Technical Director
Electric & Sound Director
Milwaukee Repertory Theater
ph (414) 290-5394 fax (414) 224-9097 =20


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Cargile [mailto:rcargile [at] uci.edu]=20
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:14 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: D192 dimmer rack info


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hi All,

Here's a longshot...
Does anyone know where I might find any documentation for a LeeColortran

Dimension192 dimmer rack?
I think the fan in mine has gone sneakers up.  I'd love to have more
info=20
on the rack before I tear into it and explore.

Thanks!
....Ron

__________
Ron Cargile
Electrics & Audio Supervisor
Claire Trevor School of the Arts
University of California, Irvine
(949) 824-4031


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From: <klyphs [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: LDI in October
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:57:01 -0400
Message-ID: <HJENKLGKCMMMNGABLBPNGEAACIAA.klyphs [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-4331268 [at] prxy.net>

Vegas. WOO HOO! It will be the closest thing I get to time off this fall.

See you there!


-
<Hi kids.  Anyone going to LDI?>  
<Bill S.

Klyph Stanford
336.575.7235
klyphs [at] earthlink.net

"Let's go get drunk on the light once more."
Georges Seurat

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:56:50 -0400
From: Steve Bailey <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Vectorworks question
Message-id: <008d01c497a2$9ac4c760$6401a8c0 [at] computer>
References: <list-4374244 [at] prxy.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Must be the end of the week and the fact my brain cell is tired...
>
> After spending most of the past year or so playing with VW10 at my old
> job (and fiddling with an old copy of 8.5 at home), I have VW Spotlight
> 9 on my computer at the new office.  And I've been trying to set things
> up and so forth, but something is happening which is really getting
> annoying, and I was hoping someone out there could smack me upside the
> head with a virtual clue-by-four and tell me what I'm doing wrong and
> not seeing.
>
> When I close one of the tool palettes (say, Walls), and try to bring it
> back up from the Palettes menu, nothing happens.  Same with any of the
> individual palettes below the separator bar (Walls, Spotlight,
> Parametric Constraints, Truss).  I can't for the life of me figure out
> why this is happening, and since this is an older copy I'm pretty sure
> I'm past the 18 month limit for tech support from Nemetschek.
>
> Can anyone help me out here?

I would recommend asking this on the VW support forum on their website.  VW
folks monitor the forum and most likely have a solution.  Look for the NNA
Tech Forum.

http://www.nemetschek.net/support/index.html

Steve B.



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Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040910223207.0c8ca810 [at] mail.insightbb.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:34:41 -0500
From: Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: D192 dimmer rack info
In-Reply-To: <list-4375513 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-4375513 [at] prxy.net>

Contact Fazetron/STTV in Indianapolis, Indiana.  Ask for Roger 
Phillips.  http://www.stagelighting.com/  They do Colortran field service 
in this area and have for a very long time.

Mike

At 06:42 PM 9/10/2004, Tony Puglielli wrote:
>There are other interested parties.....my system nearly nose dived on me

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cargile [mailto:rcargile [at] uci.edu]
>Here's a longshot...
>Does anyone know where I might find any documentation for a LeeColortran
>
>Dimension192 dimmer rack?


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Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20040911110943.019f8588 [at] firework.co.nz.b9>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:12:44 +1200
From: Anthony <firework [at] firework.co.nz>
Subject: RE Fog Curtain

Thanks Michael  for the comprehensive comments.

We are going to hasten slowly on this one and give the job a miss. Instead 
we will build up a working system  with your suggested air knives here in 
our draughty  10,000 sq foot warehouse. If it works here it will work anywhere.

Thanks again.


Kind Regards

Anthony Lealand
Firework Professionals Ltd



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From: "Jason" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-4370878 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Remotely Firing a Pistol
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:55:03 -0700
Message-ID: <BAY24-DAV349itBGwar0006882a [at] hotmail.com>

Why haven't you used the arcade shooting system? just battery power the gun.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Reynolds" <reynolds [at] Macalester.edu>
>
> Hi again folks,
>
>
> Thanks so much for all the advice.  I have to say that this show is
> intense, it is toured all over the upper Midwest and does have its
> challenges.  I was looking for an easy solution to the shootings.  Also,
> there is no Stage Manager to call cues for the show.  We go off the
script.
> It does get a little difficult to time the "gunshots"...
>
> BTW, I like the MIDI trigger idea, followed by the RF trigger.
>
> Dave Reynolds
>
> A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word!
>    --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version
>
>
>
> Dave Reynolds
> Media Services
> Macalester College
> 1600 Grand Ave.
> St. Paul, MN  55105
> voice:  (651) 696-6378
> fax:      (651) 696-6304
> reynolds [at] macalester.edu
>
> DV Cassie with lots of fonts and effects, KRON and Final Cut Pro.
>
>

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Message-ID: <d983c4a04091023577a9d827d [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:57:52 -0700
From: Mat Goebel <mgoebel [at] gmail.com>
Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com (theatre sound)
Subject: borderlining on OT: t-shirts

Almost off topic, but I couldn't think of a better group of people to ask.

Which companies/organizations have the coolest shirts/SWAG?

So far I have noticed wears from the AES and USA 829. I saw one motion
picture editors guild IA shirt. I've previously donned a mackie shirt
(hey, it was free, and yes it did wear out before my other, higher
quality clothes).
-- 
Mat Goebel
Entertainment Technical Services
Paramount's Great America
Cell: 510.693.1448

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From: <klyphs [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: borderlining on OT: t-shirts
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 05:44:27 -0400
Message-ID: <HJENKLGKCMMMNGABLBPNMEAECIAA.klyphs [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-4377787 [at] prxy.net>

I used to share with my ex a t-shirt from Varilite that said on the back
"Life is a freakshow, we just do the lighting."  I was almost as sorry to
lose the shirt as I was to lose the girl. (kidding)

I am also fond of the JR Clancy's "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight."

Klyph


<Which companies/organizations have the coolest shirts/SWAG?



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