Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4607967; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:01:25 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #155 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #155 1. Looking for a Laser by "Jonathan Wills" 2. magic by IAEG [at] aol.com 3. An academic question by "Daniel Daugherty" 4. Re: An academic question by Boyd Ostroff 5. Re: An academic question by "Immel,Patrick" 6. Re: An academic question by "Nigel Worsley" 7. Re: An academic question by Stephen Litterst 8. Batten Clamps by Stephen Litterst 9. Re: An academic question by "Paul Schreiner" 10. Re: An academic question by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: An academic question by Steve Larson 12. Re: An academic question by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 13. Re: An academic question by "Stephen E. Rees" 14. Re: An academic question by John Bracewell 15. Steel Prices by "richard j. archer" 16. Re: Steel Prices by "Moore, Martin W." 17. Re: An academic question by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 18. Re: An academic question by "Scott Boyle" 19. Re: Steel Prices by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: An academic question by Stan Jensen 21. Re: An academic question by Stephen Litterst 22. Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) by James Feinberg 23. Re: Steel Prices by "richard j. archer" 24. ASU jobs - again by LINDA ESSIG 25. Re: Steel Prices by "Paul Schreiner" 26. Re: Steel Prices by "Scott C. Parker" 27. Re: Steel Prices by "Jon Ares" 28. Re: Steel Prices by "Paul Schreiner" 29. Re: Steel Prices by "Stephen E. Rees" 30. Re: Steel Prices/Plywood by "Stephen E. Rees" 31. Re: An academic question by John Bracewell 32. Re: An academic question by John Bracewell 33. Re: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) by Stephen Litterst 34. Re: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) by "Michael Banvard" 35. Re: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: Steel Prices by Shawn Palmer 37. Re: public reviews by "Karl G. Ruling" 38. Re: An academic question by Richard Niederberg 39. Secret life OT was RE: Steel Prices by "John Vink" 40. Re: Steel Prices by "Scott Boyle" 41. Re: Looking for a Laser by "Frank E. Merrill" 42. Re: An academic question by Stuart Wheaton 43. Re: Batten Clamps by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 44. Re: Batten Clamps by Patrick McCreary 45. Re: Steel Prices by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 46. Re: LDI by 47. Re: An academic question by Richard Niederberg 48. Re: Batten Clamps by "Jason" 49. Re: LDI by "Jason" 50. Re: LDI by Richard Niederberg *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <200410061212.i96CC0Vg026183 [at] smtp-mtc06.proxy.aol.com> From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: Looking for a Laser Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:11:59 -0400 Organization: Jonathan Wills Hello all, I have a customer that is interested in putting a laser in his children's room in his church. I am looking for a source for a laser, and pricing. Also any recommendations about what to do/not to do with it would be great. A used one could also work if anyone has one sitting around. Thank you, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting and Stage www.WillsLighting.com 423.432.8082 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 9/28/2004 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.2ce6f2bc.2e95407a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:35:06 EDT Subject: magic friends, , not sure if any of you have seen the A & E series MONDO MAGIC ( or potentially had some involvement in it's production ) I did a wide Google on Chris Korn one of the featured magicians on the show, looking for an Agent , Artist Manager, some sort of contact info as I have a corporate client who would like him for a show. Couldn't come up with a contact #. If any of you just happen to float in those circles and have that knowledge I would be most grateful apologies for taking up the band width and please feel free to contact off list thanks again very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:10:25 -0400 Subject: An academic question From: "Daniel Daugherty" References: In-Reply-To: Hi all, I'm interested in finding out if anyone knows of a tenure track professorial position that combines a set designer with a music director/conductor. We are trying to fill a need with a single salary line that used to be two. Right now we are just batting around ideas and we are all looking into the feasibility of this. Please feel free to respond off list if you wish. Thank you. Dan Daugherty Technical Director School of Performing Arts University of Maine daniel_daugherty [at] umit.maine.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: An academic question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Daniel Daugherty wrote: > professorial position that combines a set designer with a music > director/conductor. We are trying to fill a need with a single salary With all due respect Dan, this is one of the goofiest ideas I've ever heard. Why not also see if they have experience coaching basketball and you could offer an even better salary? Working in opera I run into people with both musical and design experience, but have never seen a designer capable of conducting or a conductor who could design a set. I think you should reconsider this plan and perhaps just hire two part-time people who would at least have the minimum qualifications for such different jobs. You will do a disservice to your students in hiring a jack of all trades but master of none. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE390213D75EB [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: RE: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:56:37 -0500 Dan, I have never really even heard of something like that...sorry. Everybody else...BEHAVE!!! ;-) Patrick Immel Scenic and Lighting Designer Northwest Missouri State University > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Daugherty [mailto:Daniel_Daugherty [at] umit.maine.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:10 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: An academic question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > I'm interested in finding out if anyone knows of a tenure > track professorial position that combines a set designer with > a music director/conductor. We are trying to fill a need with > a single salary line that used to be two. Right now we are > just batting around ideas and we are all looking into the > feasibility of this. Please feel free to respond off list if > you wish. > > Thank you. > Dan Daugherty > Technical Director > School of Performing Arts > University of Maine > daniel_daugherty [at] umit.maine.edu > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <25ae01c4abae$bc99c5f0$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:14:04 +0100 Boyd Ostroff wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Daniel Daugherty wrote: > >> professorial position that combines a set designer with a music >> director/conductor. We are trying to fill a need with a single salary > > With all due respect Dan, this is one of the goofiest ideas I've ever > heard. Why not also see if they have experience coaching basketball and > you could offer an even better salary? Or alternatively, catering skills. Then you can get them to make the tea as well. Immel,Patrick wrote: > I have never really even heard of something like that...sorry. > > Everybody else...BEHAVE!!! We are. Badly :-) Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:15:08 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: An academic question Message-id: <4163FDEC.647D35A4 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: "Immel,Patrick" wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dan, > > I have never really even heard of something like that...sorry. Closest I've seen was a Sound Designer/Wig dresser. I often wished I'd saved the ad. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:16:47 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Batten Clamps Message-id: <4163FE4F.153BDC44 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts Anyone know of a rating for Batten Clamps? I'm adding a new FOH position and they have a cleaner look than trim chain. Unka Bill's website doesn't list a rating, nor does the Backstage Handbook. Thanks, Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:25:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ACEC [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" WRT the original post, I've never seen someone with both scenic design skills and enough musical skill to be a MD...though my old mentor came about as close as anyone possibly could. He's a fairly decent keyboardist/composer, but I don't believe he had enough background to lead an orchestra (though he did create some fabulous soundscapes). You're probably better off going with the two PT positions than trying to lump the two together in one FT position, as someone else suggested earlier... > > Everybody else...BEHAVE!!! >=20 > We are. Badly :-) As one of my ex's was fond of saying, good behavior or bad behavior, you're always behaving! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:36:31 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: An academic question Message-id: <416402EF.4711467 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > WRT the original post, I've never seen someone with both scenic design > skills and enough musical skill to be a MD... Sounds like they need John Bracewell. :-D -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:32:43 -0400 Subject: Re: An academic question From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: You may find someone who thinks that he/she is qualified for both, but I'm sure that at least one area will be lacking. This has got to go into my book, "Opera...Why It Is More Than Just Annoying". Before you scream, I love good opera. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: RE: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:46:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c4abb3$5434f930$0200a8c0 [at] Roadbox> In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > WRT the original post, I've never seen someone with both scenic design > skills and enough musical skill to be a MD... Seems to me it's even worse than that. Even if you found one person who could somehow fit the bill (or had a person in my mind which prompted this thinking) you would be locking yourself in to a budget line and staffing scenario that could almost never be duplicated once that person moved on. - J.Minh ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41640CD2.4040103 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:18:42 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: An academic question References:

Dan, If there is ANY way to avoid having to do this, you really should do so. The likelihood that you can find someone competent in both areas would be extraordinarily difficult in the first place, I should think. The larger problem is considering how well your students are going to be served by a faculty member who is only giving half attention to one discipline or the other. Can you hire a full-time person for one or the other jobs and then fill the other responsibility with an adjunct or visiting artist? I hope you can find a solution to this. Good luck. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia [snipped] Daniel Daugherty wrote: I'm interested in finding out if anyone knows of a tenure track professorial ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:35:02 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: An academic question In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20041006113205.00b9a6a8 [at] pop.lightlink.com> References: >Sounds like they need John Bracewell. :-D Steve is behaving--BADLY! Thanks anyway, Steve. I'm retiring!! I was going to throw in my two bits when I saw this one from Steve. I'd agree with the other comments. And I'd add that if you found someone who could really do this, they're going to burn out faster than you can spell Tchaikowsky! And I'd also agree that one or the other of the areas will be lacking. Hire two people! -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:42:00 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Steel Prices List members: My steel tube costs went up about 20% between when I estimated a show in mid Sept. and ordering it today. I know the cost of raw steel has doubled in the last year but 20% in a month is worse than the price of oil. Have others seen this kind of price rise? Dick A TD, Cornell University ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Steel Prices Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:52:41 -0400 Message-ID: <6B9A49CEF58B7F44B96081659904501D020429F0 [at] vcc-ex1.win.rpi.edu> From: "Moore, Martin W." Yes, from someone currently constructing a PAC -- steel and commodity prices are in serious inflationary mode at the moment -- and products based on these commodities are inflating faster. Those of you with library access to the weekly magazine ENR (McGraw Hill's Engineering New Record) can read the specific bad news every week -- (along with articles on the latest construction snafus) Martin =20 -----Original Message----- From: richard j. archer [mailto:rja10 [at] cornell.edu]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Steel Prices For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- List members: My steel tube costs went up about 20% between when I estimated a show=20 in mid Sept. and ordering it today. I know the cost of raw steel=20 has doubled in the last year but 20% in a month is worse than the=20 price of oil. Have others seen this kind of price rise? Dick A TD, Cornell University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0928E1DD [at] UCMAIL4> From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:56:50 -0400 In addition, during tech and dress rehearsals, when you would want the designer sitting out front taking notes on what needs to be done, the person would be in the orchestra pit concentrating on other things. Some jobs work well together and others don't. I found out that running front of house and being TD was really not a good idea. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: John Bracewell [mailto:jbrace [at] lightlink.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:35 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: An academic question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >Sounds like they need John Bracewell. :-D Steve is behaving--BADLY! Thanks anyway, Steve. I'm retiring!! I was going to throw in my two bits when I saw this one from Steve. I'd agree with the other comments. And I'd add that if you found someone who could really do this, they're going to burn out faster than you can spell Tchaikowsky! And I'd also agree that one or the other of the areas will be lacking. Hire two people! -- JLB ------------------------------ From: "Scott Boyle" Subject: RE: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:59:40 -0500 Organization: Carroll College Message-ID: <000001c4abbd$7da4af90$73db688c [at] cc.edu> In-Reply-To: Dan wrote: >>I'm interested in finding out if anyone knows of a tenure track >>professorial position that combines a set designer with a music >>director/conductor. We are trying to fill a need with a single salary line >>that used to be two. I'd have to agree with everyone who's responded to this post. Just last year we tried to replace a retiring faculty member with someone who would be able to design as well as teach acting and directing. I remember thinking at the time it was going to be a tall order to fill. What it came down to was exactly as everyone stated - candidates were either very strong in one area or the other but not both. We ended up hiring an actor/director and have been hiring out the design need not fulfilled by students. Just my $.02. Scott M. Boyle Technical Director Carroll College ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:04:23 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Steel Prices Message-id: <41641787.68D3D7E4 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

"richard j. archer" wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > My steel tube costs went up about 20% between when I estimated a show > in mid Sept. and ordering it today. I know the cost of raw steel > has doubled in the last year but 20% in a month is worse than the > price of oil. Have others seen this kind of price rise? We have, but that's to be expected since we're probably using the same supplier. :) We've also started facing flats in MDF and OSB since they've become significantly cheaper than luaun suddenly. Steve l. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Stan Jensen Subject: Re: An academic question Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:06:42 -0400 On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:10 AM, Daniel Daugherty wrote: > ...a tenure track professorial position that combines a set designer > with a music director/conductor. Wow! When I saw this post, I thought "my ideal job." I have often wished I had not had to choose between the two, but whenever I have tried to squeeze them together I have paid the price. Like others have already said: You want two different people. Stan Jensen Central Michigan University Department of Speech Communication and Dramatic Art Moore 242 Mount Pleasant, MI 48859 (989) 774-1990 office (989) 774-2498 fax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:07:08 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: An academic question Message-id: <4164182C.9415372D [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

John Bracewell wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Sounds like they need John Bracewell. :-D > > Steve is behaving--BADLY! Thanks anyway, Steve. I'm retiring!! Don't remind me. *sniff* And I'd add that if you found someone who > could really do this, they're going to burn out faster than you can spell > Tchaikowsky! Or Tchaikovsky? Ain't anglicizing the Cyrillic alphabet fun? Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200410061614.i96GEjh7009440 [at] gryphon.auspice.net> Subject: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Stephen Litterst" at Oct 06, 2004 12:04:23 PM From: James Feinberg Really? I never would have thought that MDF would provide enough structure to keep a flat square. What thickness MDF or OSB are you using? And how does it take paint? --James Feinberg University of San Diego > We've also started facing flats in MDF and OSB since they've become > significantly cheaper than luaun suddenly. > > Steve l. > -- > Stephen C. Litterst > Technical Supervisor > Ithaca College ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:08:02 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Steel Prices >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >"richard j. archer" wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> My steel tube costs went up about 20% between when I estimated a show >> in mid Sept. and ordering it today. I know the cost of raw steel >> has doubled in the last year but 20% in a month is worse than the >> price of oil. Have others seen this kind of price rise? > >We have, but that's to be expected since we're probably using the same >supplier. :) > >We've also started facing flats in MDF and OSB since they've become >significantly cheaper than luaun suddenly. > >Stephen C. Litterst I had this plywood discussion with Steve's counterpart in Ithaca College's scene shop last week. Cornell's cost for 1/8" luaun went up 92% over last term's price. Smaller shows anyone?? Dick A TD, Cornell Univ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:21:51 -0700 From: LINDA ESSIG Subject: ASU jobs - again Message-id: Dear listers=3A = I posted the ASU Production Manager/Stage Manager position with the = wrong title=2E Here is the correct posting - hopefully without all the = weird formatting errors of my earlier attempt=2E (Look for a vacancy = listing for a faculty technical director soon as well) Production/Stage Manager and Scenery Specialist (two positions) =96 = Arizona State University=2E Clinical Assistant Professor in Production = Stage/Management to work collaboratively to develop annual production = schedule and budgets with AD=2E Production scheduling=2C oversight of = production budgets=2C space and personnel allocation for ASU Theatre = productions=2E Teach Stage Management=2C production management and other = courses in area of specialization=2E Supervise and mentor stage = management student work=3B Coordinate the teaching of the THP 301 lab = course sequence=2E Bachelor=92s with significant professional experience=2C= = relevant work experience in production management and in stage = management required=2E MFA=2C teaching experience and membership in = appropriate professional union desired=2E Academic year appointment=2E = Theatre Scenery Specialist collaborates with faculty TD on all scenic = production needs including scenery construction and supervision of = student workers=2E Ten-month renewable appointment=2E Deadline Nov=2E 2=2C= = 2004 if not filled every two weeks thereafter until search is closed=2E = Submit letter of interest=2C curriculum vitae=2C names/addresses/phone = numbers of three references to=3A Stage and Production Manager Search = Committee or Theatre Scenery Specialist Search Committee=2C P=2E O=2E Box= = 872002=2C Tempe=2C AZ 85287-2002=2E AA/EOE = = = ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Steel Prices Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:37:18 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ACEF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > My steel tube costs went up about 20% between when I estimated a show=20 > in mid Sept. and ordering it today. I know the cost of raw steel=20 > has doubled in the last year but 20% in a month is worse than the=20 > price of oil. Have others seen this kind of price rise? Here's one...a month ago, looking for lengths of 1.5" S40 pipe, I was originally quoted about $1.72/ft. When I went to place an order a week later, it was $3.21/ft. Turned out the first price was only good on the last of the in-stock pieces, and all the extra was going to be the higher price. The rapid fluctuation in steel prices is making it hard to bid anything out these days... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041006124036.023045f8 [at] mail.hstech.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:45:10 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: Re: Steel Prices In-Reply-To: References:

I haven't priced my steel yet, but I did update my spreadsheet for lumber last week. 1/8 lauan rose from 6.25 sheet last year to 10.95. 1/4" from 10.35 up to 12.50 3/4 cd ply from 25 up to 32 here's the worst. 3/4 ac ply from 34 up to 60. And my yard can't tell me when they'll get it in. Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Office: 41 Park Row, 1205F Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 212-346-1681 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002901c4abc4$0e89ad20$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Steel Prices Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:46:41 -0700 > The rapid fluctuation in steel prices is making it hard to bid anything > out these days... Around here, the estimators for contracters and architects are having a devil of a time - steel distributors are only giving 4-hour quotes. (The price is only good for 4 hours.) We've been having all sorts of fun as our new facilities are about to break ground. I'm thinking we should go with a timber-framed Amish-built stagehouse and fly tower, milled from trees on the school grounds. Oh wait - the City of West Linn has a no-cut tree ordinance - can't cut a tree down that's thicker than your wrist. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Steel Prices Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:53:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ACF0 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > 3/4 cd ply from 25 up to 32 >=20 > here's the worst. 3/4 ac ply from 34 up to 60. And my yard=20 > can't tell me=20 > when they'll get it in. Well, it is hurricane season, y'know. Same thing happens just about every year at this time...ply goes scarce because it's all being shipped to rebuild homes. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4164236E.50709 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:55:10 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: Steel Prices References:

Hi, Here in western NY, 1/8" luaun is actually about a dollar MORE than 1/4" luaun. Must mean that the sets are twice as nice! Best, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia richard j. archer wrote: [snipped]. Cornell's cost for 1/8" luaun went up > 92% over last term's price. Smaller shows anyone?? > > Dick A > TD, Cornell Univ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41642461.3000908 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:59:13 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: Steel Prices/Plywood References: And let us not forget the 1000's of sheets of ply that found its way to Iraq last year. the shortage is still not made up. Steve [snipped] > Well, it is hurricane season, y'know. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20041006131211.00bcfe98 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:12:56 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: An academic question In-Reply-To: References:

>Or Tchaikovsky? Ain't anglicizing the Cyrillic alphabet fun? Yeah, yeah. I know. The Eudora spell-checker slapped my hand for this one ----- but I ignored it. :D -- JLB ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20041006131306.020d94e8 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:13:45 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: An academic question In-Reply-To: References:

>Or Tchaikovsky? Ain't anglicizing the Cyrillic alphabet fun? Or how about Chaikowskii, the way a lot of the old library card catalog cards spelled it? -- JLB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:26:36 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) Message-id: <41642ACC.E7A79C5E [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: James Feinberg wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Really? I never would have thought that MDF would provide enough > structure to keep a flat square. What thickness MDF or OSB are you > using? And how does it take paint? Maybe MDF is the wrong term. They've been calling it "Masonite" but I didn't want to use that on list and risk the flames of everyone pointing out that "MAsonite" is a trade name that no longer exists. It's 1/4 tempered whatever. I thought it was MDF. We just previewed the first show, in which the flats were faced with the masonite and the flats have held their structure just fine. It seems to take paint just fine. We use 1/2" MDF for show decks often and haven't had any problems with it taking paint. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "Michael Banvard" Subject: RE: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:30:01 -0500 Organization: Sapsis Rigging Midwest Message-ID: <006801c4abca$1f322520$6401a8c0 [at] Gelert> In-Reply-To: > Maybe MDF is the wrong term. They've been calling it "Masonite" but I > didn't want to use that on list and risk the flames of everyone > pointing out that "MAsonite" is a trade name that no longer exists. > It's 1/4 tempered whatever. I thought it was MDF. Tempered Hardboard, is what it is. MDF = different sized particles and adhesive content. - Michael Michael J. Banvard SRI Midwest Saint Louis, Missouri (866) 773-1174 (314) 629-3644 (314) 773-1174 fax http://www.sapsis-rigging.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ec.2bb613d1.2e958c1a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:57:46 EDT Subject: Re: Flat Facing (was Re: Steel Prices) In a message dated 06/10/04 18:31:15 GMT Daylight Time, mbanvard [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > > Maybe MDF is the wrong term. They've been calling it "Masonite" but I > > didn't want to use that on list and risk the flames of everyone > > pointing out that "MAsonite" is a trade name that no longer exists. > > It's 1/4 tempered whatever. I thought it was MDF. > > Tempered Hardboard, is what it is. MDF = different sized particles and > adhesive content. In the UK, MDF is wood fibre bonded with a phenol-formaldehyde resin and heat cured. It is quite stiff. As I write this, I am surrounded by a home office built from 3/4" MDF. Tempered hardboard is much more like linoleum. It has a coarsely woven jute backing, a mainly laminated structure, as you can see when you break a piece, and a smooth, hard surface. It's quite flexible, which allows you to clad curved structures, and OK for covering flats, although it puts the weight up. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <416436B8.7060409 [at] northnet.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:17:28 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Steel Prices References: In-Reply-To: > Here's one...a month ago, looking for lengths of 1.5" S40 pipe, I was > originally quoted about $1.72/ft. When I went to place an order a week > later, it was $3.21/ft. Turned out the first price was only good on the > last of the in-stock pieces, and all the extra was going to be the > higher price. > > The rapid fluctuation in steel prices is making it hard to bid anything > out these days... In my secret life my brother and I own a small shop. We make motorcycles, frames, tanks, fenders, necks, etc. It has been really brutal. We've had some steel tube go up to $15/ft. Ouch. When we have time to go through the "ends" they are usually about half the regular price. That goes for 'better times' too, of course, but anything helps now. Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:34:48 -0400 Subject: Re: public reviews Message-ID: <41640288.22181.1201FA7 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > Hello all, > > RDM goes into a second round of public review, you can hand in your > comments until December 7th 2004. For more information see the ESTA > website; http://www.esta.org/tsp/E1-20inst.htm > > - Erwin Don't forget the other two draft standards: E1.23, fog effects, and E1.27-1, portable DMX512/E1.11 cable. You can access all three if you back up one level in the website and visit http://www.esta.org/tsp/. Best regards, Karl G. Ruling Technical Standards Manager ESTA 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 1-212-244-1505 fax 1-212-244-1502 http://www.esta.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:37:00 -0700 Subject: Re: An academic question Message-ID: <20041006.113708.3920.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg I agree, but I'm still both Principal Designer and Corporate Counsel to maintain MY OWN Artistic Integrity. Its not about money in my own case. /s/ Richard > Some jobs work well together and others don't. > I found out that running front of house and > being TD was really not a good idea. > Steve Waxler ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ From: "John Vink" Subject: Secret life OT was RE: Steel Prices Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:19:00 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c4abd9$55cd5730$6501a8c0 [at] canadiansales> In-Reply-To: Shawn, Is there anywhere we can see some of your motorcycle stuff? What is the name of your shop? John Vink > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On > Behalf Of Shawn > Palmer > Sent: October 6, 2004 12:17 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Steel Prices > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Here's one...a month ago, looking for lengths of > 1.5" S40 pipe, I was > > originally quoted about $1.72/ft. When I went to > place an order a week > > later, it was $3.21/ft. Turned out the first price > was only good on the > > last of the in-stock pieces, and all the extra was > going to be the > > higher price. > > > > The rapid fluctuation in steel prices is making it > hard to bid anything > > out these days... > > In my secret life my brother and I own a small shop. We make > motorcycles, frames, tanks, fenders, necks, etc. It > has been really > brutal. We've had some steel tube go up to $15/ft. Ouch. > > When we have time to go through the "ends" they are > usually about half > the regular price. That goes for 'better times' too, > of course, but > anything helps now. > > Shawn Palmer > Neenah, WI > USA > > ------------------------------ From: "Scott Boyle" Subject: RE: Steel Prices Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:31:44 -0500 Organization: Carroll College Message-ID: <000001c4abdb$1de15270$73db688c [at] cc.edu> In-Reply-To: >"Richard j. archer" wrote: >> Smaller shows anyone?? Wouldn't that be nice? Unfortunately, this summer Peninsula Players decided to stage four of the biggest plays (out of five for the season) I've ever had to work on (at least in summer stock). By the time I got to the fourth show I was so far in the hole I couldn't see daylight and that was with recycling every stick of lumber I could get my hands on. Scott M. Boyle Technical Director Carroll College ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:32:15 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1655164382.20041006163215 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re: Looking for a Laser In-Reply-To: References: Howdy! Wednesday, October 06, 2004, Jonathan Willa wrote: JW> I have a customer that is interested in putting a laser in his JW> children's room in his church. I am looking for a source for a JW> laser, and pricing. Also any recommendations about what to do/not JW> to do with it would be great. A used one could also work if anyone JW> has one sitting around. I have a 4.99 mW HeNe laser and pattern programmer that has been in my rental stock for some time without many rentals. It is a "SummaStar" unit by Summa Technologies in California. I shudder to think about how much I paid for that unit...Make me an offer. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v3.0 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41649960.1080803 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:18:24 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: An academic question References: In-Reply-To: Steve Larson wrote: > > This has got to go into my book, "Opera...Why It Is > More Than Just Annoying". Before you scream, I > love good opera. > > Steve As a friend once asked, "Why do they call it Opera Season if you aren't allowed to shoot them?" ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12b.4d778c4c.2e9602bf [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:23:59 EDT Subject: Re: Batten Clamps In a message dated 10/6/04 10:17:33 AM, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: << Anyone know of a rating for Batten Clamps? I'm adding a new FOH position and they have a cleaner look than trim chain. Unka Bill's website doesn't list a rating, nor does the Backstage Handbook. >> Yeah, they don't have an official rating. they have been tested over the years by various people and organizations. The consensus has always been that they work great for a lift line attachment to a batten so the assumption has been that they will hold somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000 pounds. But you can't quote me on that. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.1.20041006222207.01b55af8 [at] incoming.verizon.net> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:26:36 -0400 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: Re: Batten Clamps In-Reply-To: References: At 10:16 AM 10/6/2004, you wrote: >Anyone know of a rating for Batten Clamps? I'm adding a new FOH >position and they have a cleaner look than trim chain. Unka Bill's >website doesn't list a rating, nor does the Backstage Handbook. > >Thanks, > >Steve L. >-- >Stephen C. Litterst >Technical Supervisor >Ithaca College >Dept. of Theatre Arts >607/274-3947 >slitterst [at] ithaca.edu Steve, check out the Anvil International site: http://www.anvilintl.com/ps_hanger/index.php?CAT=4 look at the Figure 295 series - "double bolt pipe clamp" - they are rated, and I have used them for years in dead-hang situations. (Apparently, Anvil took over what used to be Fee & Mason, after Grinnell had the line for a while.) Patrick G. Patrick McCreary Ass't. Professor - Technical Director Department of Theater and Dance Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15701 (Office) 724-357-2644 (Home) 724-349-4309 ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <146.35b295ce.2e960352 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:26:26 EDT Subject: Re: Steel Prices In a message dated 10/6/04 11:47:27 AM, rja10 [at] cornell.edu writes: << My steel tube costs went up about 20% between when I estimated a show in mid Sept. and ordering it today. I know the cost of raw steel has doubled in the last year but 20% in a month is worse than the price of oil. Have others seen this kind of price rise? >> Yup. And I'd consider yourself lucky it hasn't gone up more. It won't be long before aluminum becomes the cheap alternative. Much craziness out there. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ From: Subject: RE: LDI Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Wondering if we have had any more thoughts on this? Klyph From: Richard Niederberg Grand Opera is the closest thing existing scenographicly to a major Las Vegas Production Show. /s/ Richard > Steve Larson wrote: > > This has got to go into my book, "Opera...Why It Is > > More Than Just Annoying". Before you scream, I > > love good opera. > > Steve > As a friend once asked, "Why do they call it Opera Season if > you aren't allowed to shoot them?" ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ From: "Jason" References: Subject: Re: Batten Clamps Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: There is a counter weight rigging manufacturing company in So Cal that does rate their clamps at 500lbs and I think that's per side. I just can't recall the name of the company right now. Did an counter weight refurbish at a college where everything hade to be rated and they shipped us a section of clamps that hadn't been stamped and the inspector found them...err had to replace them with the stamped version same clamp. Nice thing I paid by the hour most of the time. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Yeah, they don't have an official rating. they have been tested over the > years by various people and organizations. The consensus has always been that > they work great for a lift line attachment to a batten so the assumption has > been that they will hold somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000 pounds. > > But you can't quote me on that. > > Bill S. ------------------------------ From: "Jason" References: Subject: Re: LDI Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:32:39 -0700 Message-ID: I will at LDI this year... ----- Original Message ----- From: > Wondering if we have had any more thoughts on this? > > Klyph > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:01:15 -0700 Subject: Re: LDI Message-ID: <20041006.230721.3844.3.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg So will I, on Saturday only. Is a brief Saturday night get-together doable? /s/ Richard "Jason" writes: > I will at LDI this year... ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. 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