Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.4) with PIPE id 4663008; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:01:05 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.4 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #159 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:00:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #159 1. Re: Dry Ice Storage by Steve Larson 2. Re: Hydro System (Was RE:) by "Tom Hackman" 3. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 4. Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 5. Re: An academic question by Mark O'Brien 6. Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux by "Delbert Hall" 7. Another interesting rigging story by "Delbert Hall" 8. Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 9. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by Andy Ciddor 10. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by Greg Persinger 11. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Michael Denison" 12. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by IAEG [at] aol.com 13. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Mike Rock" 14. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by "Tony Deeming" 15. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by IAEG [at] aol.com 16. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by "Tony Deeming" 17. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by Andy Ciddor 18. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? whoops by IAEG [at] aol.com 19. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Michael Denison" 20. Re: spike tape on operating lines by Patrick McCreary 21. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Delbert Hall" 22. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Delbert Hall" 23. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 24. Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux by "Sam Fisher" 25. Re: spike tape on operating lines by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 26. Philippines moving light availability by Herrick Goldman 27. Re: Hydro System (Was RE:) by "Sam Fisher" 28. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Mike Rock" 29. Re: spike tape on operating lines by gregg hillmar 30. Re: spike tape on operating lines by "Mike Rock" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Dry Ice Storage From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We had one of our patrons at our theatre donate a large chest-type freezer. We use it primarily to keep ice for concessions cold. It easily holds enough for a three week run. In July during our summer theatre camps for kids, it holds large containers of ice cream. Steve on 10/9/04 11:06 AM, CB at psyd [at] cox.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> The added complication is that the supplier is NOT open at weekends, > > When confronted with a similar situation, our supplier was willing to send > us with one of his storage boxes for the run of the show. Additional > charges: a seat for each of his family members. Cheap at twice the price. > Check with your supplier, and start the conversation with asking him to > show up for a few minutes on Sat. and Sun. mornings... > Or, borrow a large freezer. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <011801c4aedf$ca1b66f0$87d11ed8 [at] Hackman1> From: "Tom Hackman" References: Subject: Re:Hydro System (Was RE:) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:42:15 -0400 >University of Virginia has a super hydraulic fly system. LaVahn Hoh >was the TD there for many years. Uncle Hydro, as the system at UVA is commonly called, can be a wonderful thing. IT was always nice not to have to schlep weight around. The control end started getting funky in the late '90s. No precision left and it was just plain wearing out. Peter Albrecht did a refit of the front end, all digitally controlled now. (Though a little scary in that it runs on a Windows platform). The controller has a 70 ft. 'umbilical cord' so the oeprator can be almost anywhere on the deck. It can be dialed in to a relatively high degree of accuracy. I was there four years, my MFA and as TD for Heritage Rep, and we never had a leakage problem. But we all heard the horror stories from other venues. LaVahn is still there and still inspiring young designers and TDs like me. Although, as he says it, he doesn't do theatre anymore, he just works in one. Tom Hackman TD/Scene Designer Davis & Elkins College Elkins, WV UVA '02 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:33:02 EDT Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? In a message dated 10/10/04 02:29:48 GMT Daylight Time, OneOccy [at] hotmail.com writes: > That pretty much the norm but now they have a lamp charge too... That figures. I haven't hired anything recently. When I joined the theatre company, there was a general policy that you did not hire lanterns that we had in stock, on the grounds that the money would be better employed in improving our inventory. This has now grown to the point where I seldom feel the need of more instruments, apart from special effects. Of course, there have been capital replacement programmes since 1968. Patt 23 lanterns have largely been replaced, successively, by Prelude 16-30, Harmony, and Source Four. Interestingly, the Patt 223/743 lanterns still soldier on. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > My recollection is that they charge about 10% if the capital cost of the > > equipment, per week. Out of this they have to pay for storage space, > bulbs, and > > maintenance and office staff, plus repaying the loan they took out to buy > in > > their sto Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <45.181ebbea.2e9ace80 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:42:24 EDT Subject: Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux In a message dated 10/10/04 04:08:50 GMT Daylight Time, Bsapsis [at] aol.com writes: > And be proactive. As Delbert said, make sure the venue knows, and > understands, exactly what the problems are. And make sure the right people > know. BS'ing > with the crew over a beer probably won't get the job done. A meeting with > the general manager should. But if they won't listen to you, go home and > write a letter. They cannot legally ignore the written word. No. But there are effective techniques in place for effectively ignoring it. Refer it to an incompetent, ignorant, and inexpert TD is one such. Even better is to refer it to a committee. Both show that you are doing something, in theory: neither achieves any oractical effect. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5F0061CA-1AEC-11D9-B6A1-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: An academic question Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:44:09 -0700 Funny, I did the meeting when US Tobacco changed its name to the US smokeless tobacco co. ( "We ain't smoke, but we're on fire") Simply disgusting. It was in the big Mariott in Palm Springs, and it was about 2500 men & women, EACH with a spit cup. They even did a whole production number about spitting tobacco. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Oct 9, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Jon Ares wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Oh, no. I once ran an IMAG camera for a Ligget meeting at one of the >> resorts out here, and commented to the director that it was realy >> hard to >> concentrate with all of the smokers in the room. > > I once did a 3-day gig with a sales meeting of US Tobacco... some > smokers, to be sure (ashtrays placed on all the attendees' tables) but > that wasn't the worst part. The truly disgusting part were all the > spit-cups placed on the tables. US Tobacco makes not only cigs, but > also chewing tobacco, such at Copenhagen, Skoal, etc. (I think > they've changed their name since then, but I don't recall the name.) > Ugh... truly disgusting. I would have hated to be one of the > housekeepers for those ballrooms - emptying spit cups. > > At the time, they also used to own Cabin Fever Entertainment > (producers of Lonesome Dove and other films and MFTV movies) and > Columbia Crest Wineries. Things probably have changed now, as they > always do. > > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts > www.hevanet.com/acreative > http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:22:22 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c4af06$da23f270$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: The purpose of this thread is not to embarrass anyone (although I know for a fact that the TD of the S. Florida theatre wants his institution embarrassed). The purpose of the thread is to point out that many theatres have rigging problems that they either 1) don't realize are problems, or 2) are in denial of. There are lots of simple things that people can do themselves to improve their rigging: replace "dog clips" with rated shackles, add safety bolts, tighten nuts on cable clips, replace trim chain that is not sturdy enough, or add additional support cables/chains to dead-hung battens. If you have a question about doing your own repair work, just ask and someone on the list will be happy to give you advice. Most you know that I am not a fan of cable clips - I have just seen far too many loose cable clips. When a load is placed on the cables, the cables stretch and the cable clips can get loose. If your rigging uses cable clips, please go through and check to see that all of the nuts on the U-bolts are tight. In the S. Florida theatre over 95% of the cable clips were loose. When I do a rigging inspection I check (and tighten) EVERY nut on EVERY cable clip. This takes a while, but it is worth it. I have seen instances where the cable has slipped through the cable clips because they were not tightened properly - so please check these. I know that this post is a lot like "preaching to the choir," but friendly reminders to be safe never hurts anyone. -Delbert ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Another interesting rigging story Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:55:22 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000201c4af0b$75d6d0d0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: While I am on the subject, here is another recent rigging story. I recently inspected the rigging in a theatre in N. Florida. The system was built by SECOA and installed 13 years ago. I found a few minor problems (like the lift lines for the cable drops were installed in a fashion so that the cables rubbed pretty well on a spacer bolt on the loft blocks - which was easy to fix), but in general the system was in good shape and very well installed. The TD wanted me to help her solve a big problem with the counterweight system. It seemed that many of the linesets, particularly the ones that they used most often, seemed to jam periodically as they moved the battens in and out, or were just generally "hard to move." OK, got any idea? The big problem and the solution was actually a very simple one - no one had removed any of the spike tape from the operating lines for the past 13 years. Every kind of tape imaginable had been used over this time and this tape was jamming in the rope locks (this is why the linesets that they used most often had the biggest problems). It took a little over two hours for me to remove all the spike tape, re-weight two arbors that were out of balance, and adjust the rope locks. This solved 98% of their problems. BTW, duct tape spikes caused the biggest jams. Sometimes little things cause big problems. -Delbert ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15c.40af4860.2e9b0d9e [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:11:42 EDT Subject: Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux In a message dated 10/10/04 21:23:24 GMT Daylight Time, halld [at] etsu.edu writes: > There are lots of simple things that people can do themselves to improve > their rigging: replace "dog clips" with rated shackles, add safety > bolts, tighten nuts on cable clips, replace trim chain that is not > sturdy enough, or add additional support cables/chains to dead-hung > battens. If you have a question about doing your own repair work, just > ask and someone on the list will be happy to give you advice. Those of us us who read the list know most of this. We know how to do it right. The problem is in getting our managements to fund the remedial work. They do not, in general, understand how basic safety requirements are. And, most of the time they get away with it. Fully rated gear is usually well over the top, but it should still be used. My own opinion is that halving the ratings will be perfectly safe, most of the time. But, get it wrong once, and you have the whole American Bar Association on your neck. > I know that this post is a lot like "preaching to the choir," but > friendly reminders to be safe never hurts anyone. It's not the choir we need to preach to, it's the congregation. The bean counters, the 'artistic' side. Neither understands engineering problems. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20041011092248.019565a0 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:29:56 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? In-Reply-To: At 03:33 11.10.2004, Frank Wood wrote: >Interestingly, the Patt 223/743 lanterns still soldier on. And so they should. IMHO they are still the most design-friendly stage Fresnel ever made. The original lens, with its multitude of steps is just so smooth and forgiving at focus time, that walkthrough coverage is a breeze. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:21:12 -0500 Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: My CO2 powered Confetti Cannons. I paid for them with 2 long rentals and they haven't worked since. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <416981B8.32706.39095690 [at] localhost> From: "Michael Denison" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:38:48 -0500 Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines In-Reply-To: References: Okay, so what is the recommended way to put spike marks on operating lines? Tape jams the brakes, string and yarn comes off or slides to a different position, and ink or dye marks would be permanent and possibly degrade the ropes. Any recommendations? Michael A. Denison Technical Director Cottey College 1000 West Austin Nevada, MO 64772 (417) 667-8181 x 2265 FAX: (417) 667-8103 mdenison [at] cottey.edu www.cottey.edu ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1da.2d3f5596.2e9b235c [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:44:28 EDT Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? In a message dated 10/10/04 6:30:32 PM, aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au writes: << >Interestingly, the Patt 223/743 lanterns still soldier on. And so they should. IMHO they are still the most design-friendly stage Fresnel ever made. The original lens, with its multitude of steps is just so smooth and forgiving at focus time, that walkthrough coverage is a breeze. Andy >> well I have to be honest being an East Coast US guy, , I am not familiar with the Patt 223/743 Fresnels BUT, , I do recall while doing a production at the one and only theatre in Curacao in the Netherlands Antilles 25 years ago (+/-) being VERY impressed with the Euro Strand Fresnels there, which I would have given my eye teeth for on any number of shows here stateside, the field, the efficiency the ease of focus were all to be greatly admired. I know that gear gets cross labeled frequently ( Ianerio / Strand ) could these wonderful fresnels I recall from Curacao be the same as the Patt instruments you are talking about ? very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c4af24$ef5931a0$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:57:43 -0500 We use spike tape and have not had any problems with the brake jamming. Where do you place the tape? For us when the pipe is in the right position the tape should be right above the brake. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00a601c4af25$20513460$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:59:02 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > In a message dated 10/10/04 6:30:32 PM, aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au writes: > > << >Interestingly, the Patt 223/743 lanterns still soldier on. > > And so they should. > IMHO they are still the most design-friendly stage Fresnel ever made. The > original lens, with its multitude of steps is just so smooth and forgiving > at focus time, that walkthrough coverage is a breeze. > > Andy >> > > well I have to be honest being an East Coast US guy, , I am not familiar with > the Patt 223/743 Fresnels > > BUT, , I do recall while doing a production at the one and only theatre in > Curacao in the Netherlands Antilles 25 years ago (+/-) being VERY impressed > with the Euro Strand Fresnels there, which I would have given my eye teeth for on > any number of shows here stateside, the field, the efficiency the ease of > focus were all to be greatly admired. > > I know that gear gets cross labeled frequently ( Ianerio / Strand ) could > these wonderful fresnels I recall from Curacao be the same as the Patt > instruments you are talking about ? > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault Check them out at the Strand Archive - http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/index.shtml If they look like 'em, they probably will be them!! Ynot ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <97.50284ce9.2e9b2c47 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:22:31 EDT Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? In a message dated 10/10/04 8:00:05 PM, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: << Check them out at the Strand Archive - http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/index.shtml If they look like 'em, they probably will be them!! Ynot >> well I remember what the Euro Strands looked like but I have no clue what a Patt looks like,. ,. very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00bd01c4af29$0e8bcf20$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:27:10 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:22 AM Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > In a message dated 10/10/04 8:00:05 PM, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > > << Check them out at the Strand Archive - > > http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/index.shtml > > If they look like 'em, they probably will be them!! > > > Ynot >> > > well I remember what the Euro Strands looked like but I have no clue what a > Patt looks like,. ,. > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > Er, at the risk of being repetitive, Check them (patt 223/743) out at the Strand Archive - http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/index.shtml and see if what's there matches your memory! 8-) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20041011112535.03c34218 [at] pop3.kilowatt.com.au> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:27:58 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? In-Reply-To: At 09:44 11.10.2004, Keith Arsenault wrote: >well I have to be honest being an East Coast US guy, , I am not familiar with >the Patt 223/743 Fresnels > > >I know that gear gets cross labeled frequently ( Ianerio / Strand ) could >these wonderful fresnels I recall from Curacao be the same as the Patt >instruments you are talking about ? The luminaire we are talking about is Thanks again John Primrose :-) Andy ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:32:32 EDT Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? whoops In a message dated 10/10/04 8:23:21 PM, IAEG [at] aol.com writes: << << Check them out at the Strand Archive - http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/index.shtml If they look like 'em, they probably will be them!! Ynot >> >> Ahhhh, , ,SORRY ! ! ! ! , ignore my previous post, , now that I have looked at the site I realize that PATT is a Strand ID, , , and I was right, , the PATT 223 / 243 is exactly what I was refering to from my show in Curacao interestingly enough, , I see the nic name of the PATT 264 ( a lamp base up, step lens, ERS ) in Dutch is Elleboogje (Dutch for "Elbow") In Curacao, , this same instrument was described for me ( before I actually saw it ) in broken English as an "Elbow Fresnel", , , I had NO clue what they were talking about until I saw it. The person I dealt with didn't understand the difference between a Fresnel lens and a Step lens, , very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41698F67.26900.393ECD93 [at] localhost> From: "Michael Denison" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines In-Reply-To: That's how we do it, but the tape still has to run through the brake when we bring the pipe in/down. > > We use spike tape and have not had any problems with the brake jamming. > Where do you place the tape? For us when the pipe is in the right position > the tape should be right above the brake. > > Michael A. Denison Technical Director Cottey College 1000 West Austin Nevada, MO 64772 (417) 667-8181 x 2265 FAX: (417) 667-8103 mdenison [at] cottey.edu www.cottey.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.1.20041010211932.019d9220 [at] incoming.verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:21:39 -0400 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines In-Reply-To: References: At 08:37 PM 10/10/2004, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >That's how we do it, but the tape still has to run through the brake >when we bring the pipe in/down. > > > > We use spike tape and have not had any problems with the brake jamming. > > Where do you place the tape? For us when the pipe is in the right position > > the tape should be right above the brake. While there are better ways to spike a lineset than tape (and hold a mike or lighting cable in place, or a coil, etc.), the key to the USE of tape is the REMOVAL of same when the show is done. Patrick G. Patrick McCreary Ass't. Professor - Technical Director Department of Theater and Dance Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15701 (Office) 724-357-2644 (Home) 724-349-4309 ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:28:51 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000201c4af31$aa890020$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: Now you spike a purchase line is based on 1) the type of rope, and 2) your personal preference. I prefer a piece of brightly colored ribbon for three-strand twisted (Multi-line II) and single-strand ropes (E-Z Trim), and vinyl tape for parallel core ropes (Stage set X). With tape, just put one good tight wrap around the rope. Be careful not to use tape that is that has a very strong adhesive like duct tape. If you do, the adhesive will stay on the rope after you remove the tape. Always remove your spikes after the run. In N. Florida there were sometimes up to eight spike marks on a single purchase line. BTW, I like to spike mark to be at the top of the brake handle when at trim. Spiking purchase lines have been discussed here a lot in the past, so you can find lots of references to this in the archives. -Delbert -----Original Message----- --------------------------------------------------- That's how we do it, but the tape still has to run through the brake when we bring the pipe in/down. > > We use spike tape and have not had any problems with the brake jamming. > Where do you place the tape? For us when the pipe is in the right position > the tape should be right above the brake. > > Michael A. Denison Technical Director Cottey College 1000 West Austin Nevada, MO 64772 (417) 667-8181 x 2265 FAX: (417) 667-8103 mdenison [at] cottey.edu www.cottey.edu ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:31:51 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000301c4af32$15b8ba70$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: This topic got me thinking "Does anyone still make knuckle busters?" I have not seen these in use for several years. -Delbert ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:37:43 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > This topic got me thinking "Does anyone still make knuckle busters?" I > have not seen these in use for several years. I know that Saint Michael's Playhouse in Colchester, VT. has and uses them. ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: RE: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:44:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:22 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Rigging problems that I have seen recently re dux For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- - snipped post "Most you know that I am not a fan of cable clips - I have just seen far too many loose cable clips" -Delbert Some insurance companies don't like them either and will no longer insure companies that use them. As soon as I heard that I stopped - even though I had only been using them on larger cables. Besides that fact that they are much more expensive to use both in materials, installation, and future inspection costs. Sam Fisher ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <45.18268461.2e9b3fe2 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:46:10 EDT Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines Take a pieced of cloth ribbon and run it through the rope. It's called 'stabbing' the line. Done right the spike mark cannot move and will not gum up the works. How that is accomplished depends on the tools you have at hand and the type of rope you are using. Note: this method is not possible with a parallel core rope like Stage Set X. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:49:56 -0400 From: Herrick Goldman Subject: Philippines moving light availability Hi folks. 2 things: 1. are any of us actually in the Philippines? 2. I know some of you have worked there. What ML manufacturers are widely available there? VL, High End, Martin, etc??? I need to do a shop order/ tech rider and would like to specify stuff that's available. Thanks _Herrick -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: RE: Hydro System (Was RE:) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:49:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tom Hackman Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Hydro System (Was RE:) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Uncle Hydro, as the system at UVA is commonly called, can be a wonderful thing. IT was always nice not to have to schlep weight around. The control end started getting funky in the late '90s. No precision left and it was just plain wearing out. Peter Albrecht did a refit of the front end, all digitally controlled now. (Though a little scary in that it runs on a Windows platform). - Tom Hackman The fact that it runs on windows isn't necessarily scary. Window yes, the backup system I'm sure is behind it no. I've researched running some things on windows but the R&D involved of making windows talk nice with backup systems is scary, at least for now. Sam Fisher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003501c4af34$df78e9a0$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:51:48 -0500 > >That's how we do it, but the tape still has to run through the brake > >when we bring the pipe in/down. While I am far from an expert could it be that the brake needs to be adjusted? I am under the impression that the rope should slide freely when the brake is disengaged. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0EC316DE-1B28-11D9-9FF6-000A95D99210 [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:51:24 -0400 I actually just opened a show at William & Mary's Phi Beta Kappa Hall in Williamsburg, VA, where knuckle busters were used for both high and low trims. I had not seen them used in years and years, but they were handled very well in this situation. Personally I've always favored spike tape placed at the top of the LOCK, not the handle, for trims. As Patrick pointed out, REMOVED after each show, tho! g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige On Oct 10, 2004, at 9:31 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > This topic got me thinking "Does anyone still make knuckle busters?" I > have not seen these in use for several years. > > -Delbert > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004d01c4af35$8339fe80$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: spike tape on operating lines Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:56:23 -0500 > > This topic got me thinking "Does anyone still make knuckle busters?" I > > have not seen these in use for several years. Knuckle busters? I haven't heard that one, what is one and what is it used for? ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #159 *****************************