Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.5) with PIPE id 4849847; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:01:23 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.5 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #180 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:01:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #180 1. Student Question? by "Steve" 2. Re: Student Question? by "Brown, Doug" 3. Re: Student Question? by "Laurie Swigart" 4. Re: Student Question? by "Stephen E. Rees" 5. Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note by Steve Larson 6. Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note by Mat Goebel 7. Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note by "Tony Deeming" 8. Re: Student Question? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 9. sculpt or coat on a budget by neesa [at] neesahart.com 10. Re: sculpt or coat on a budget by "Joe Meils" 11. Re: sculpt or coat on a budget by Steve Larson 12. Re: sculpt or coat on a budget by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 13. Re: sculpt or coat on a budget by "Fitch, Tracy" 14. Re: sculpt or coat on a budget by "Joe Meils" 15. Re: cold water ground by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Drop Cleaning by Kyle Dugger 17. Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure by CB 18. Re: cold water ground by CB 19. LED birds for Into the Woods by Scott Parker 20. Colorado Springs by CB 21. Re: LED birds for Into the Woods by Herrick Goldman 22. Re: LED birds for Into the Woods by "Scott C. Parker" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <000501c4be80$6e543440$5d7e7244 [at] D78YGH41> From: "Steve" Subject: Student Question? Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:00:28 -0500 I have a student that wants to be a props master, and he would like to continue his theatre education. He will be completing a Bachelor of Arts degree with an emphasis in Theatre. He already has a Bachelor of Science degree in Industrial Technology. This student can draw, sketch, draft, autocad, vectorworks, build, frame, wire, weld, paint, write HTML, or do anything you ask. His GPA is 3.6. He is a smart, talented kid that needs more theatre seasoning. He has only worked in my shop for two years. Where do I send him? He does not want to be a scenic designer. He wants to build props. What school or internship could help him? Thanks, Steve Schepker Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Student Question? Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:06:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Brown, Doug" Allow me to suggest North Carolina School of the Arts - one of the few = schools to offer a grad degree in stage properties. We have a separate = shop and faculty to teach properties and plenty of opportunities to = practice the craft. check us out at http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/ thanks, doug Doug Brown Technical Faculty=20 North Carolina School of the Arts School of Design & Production -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:00 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Student Question? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have a student that wants to be a props master, and he would like to continue his theatre education. He will be completing a Bachelor of Arts degree with an emphasis in = Theatre. He already has a Bachelor of Science degree in Industrial Technology. This student can draw, sketch, draft, autocad, vectorworks, build, frame, wire, weld, paint, write HTML, or do anything you ask. His GPA is 3.6. He is a smart, talented kid that needs more theatre seasoning. He has = only worked in my shop for two years. Where do I send him? He does not want to be a scenic designer. He wants to build props. What school or internship could help him? Thanks, Steve Schepker Southeastern Louisiana University ----------------------------------------------=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Laurie Swigart" Subject: RE: Student Question? Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:57:42 -0500 Organization: Upstage Review Theatre Company Message-ID: <000201c4be88$7276bb30$0987fea9 [at] SWIGART> In-Reply-To: American Players Theatre in Spring Green has an internship program, I believe. Try contacting Sara Stellick at apm [at] americanplayers.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:00 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Student Question? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have a student that wants to be a props master, and he would like to continue his theatre education. He will be completing a Bachelor of Arts degree with an emphasis in Theatre. He already has a Bachelor of Science degree in Industrial Technology. This student can draw, sketch, draft, autocad, vectorworks, build, frame, wire, weld, paint, write HTML, or do anything you ask. His GPA is 3.6. He is a smart, talented kid that needs more theatre seasoning. He has only worked in my shop for two years. Where do I send him? He does not want to be a scenic designer. He wants to build props. What school or internship could help him? Thanks, Steve Schepker Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4183A78B.5040407 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:39:07 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: Student Question? References: May I suggest you get in touch with NC School of the Arts? I recall that they have a program. With his background, I bet they'd love to your student coming. Steve Rees,TD SUNY-Fredonia Steve wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a student that wants to be a props master, and he would like to > continue his theatre education. > He will be completing a Bachelor of Arts degree with an emphasis in Theatre. > He already has a Bachelor of > Science degree in Industrial Technology. This student can draw, sketch, > draft, autocad, vectorworks, build, > frame, wire, weld, paint, write HTML, or do anything you ask. > His GPA is 3.6. > He is a smart, talented kid that needs more theatre seasoning. He has only > worked in my shop for two years. > Where do I send him? > He does not want to be a scenic designer. He wants to build props. > What school or internship could help him? > > Thanks, > Steve Schepker > Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Read the script, talk to the director, research. That's where I would start. Don't start with someone else's design. Steve on 10/30/04 2:12 AM, Mat Goebel at mgoebel [at] gmail.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Has anyone done this show? My friend is directing it as a BCEFA > benefit. I've volunteered to help with all things technical and I'd > like some design input. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:32:11 -0700 From: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note In-Reply-To: References:

I've done that much, but the script is so unspecific, I was hoping to get some different interpretations of the text. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:52:24 -0400, Steve Larson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Read the script, talk to the director, research. That's > where I would start. Don't start with someone > else's design. > > Steve -- Mat Goebel Entertainment Technical Services Paramount's Great America Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008701c4be98$75000ae0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References:

Subject: Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:52:24 +0100 Matt, Not quite as blunt a statement as Steve's, but the sentiment is still there. Assuming that you have experience with tech stuff on stage, you should really start with what you have and what you know. It would be extremely difficult for anyone on the list to advise you on how to light or stage this or any show because we don't know your inventory, your space, or indeed your restrictions. The only people who can start the ball rolling are you, any other tech crew and the director, with emphasis on the latter, your friend. Talk to him/her, get a feel for what they actually want to achieve and what they want it to look like and go from there. I'm sure that if there are any specific issues that arise regarding a certain effect or whatever, then there will be plenty here who will offer advice, especially if you are clear on what you want and what you have. Don't despair, like charity, design begins at home, but benefits from the odd donation here & there! Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Goebel" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: Re: The Bright Blue Mailbox Suicide Note > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I've done that much, but the script is so unspecific, I was hoping to > get some different interpretations of the text. > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:52:24 -0400, Steve Larson > wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Read the script, talk to the director, research. That's > > where I would start. Don't start with someone > > else's design. > > > > Steve > > > -- > Mat Goebel > Entertainment Technical Services > Paramount's Great America > Cell: 510.693.1448 > ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <111.3bd5c68a.2eb513da [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:57:14 EDT Subject: Re: Student Question? Cc: sschepker [at] charter.net I'd suggest he apply to work with VEE Corp in Minneapolis. They build the props for their touring family shows: Sesame Street, Bear, Dragon Tales, etc. If he wants to try touring, that might be a good way for him to break into that aspect of it too. I can think of no better situation than to have the guy who build the props be the one to tour with them! They also make a variety of props for other shows/corporate gigs. They are good to their people and a single person can live, eat, and drink beer on what they pay. Plus Minneapolis has many other excellent theatres where he could make contacts, work part-time, be a local permit worker for Broadway tours, etc. He certainly could go for grad school (with a 3.6 GPA and your glowing recommendation, he could probably go anywhere he wants!) but why pay someone for an education if you can GET paid while you learn? Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: sculpt or coat on a budget Message-ID: <1098792040.417e3c687c46c [at] webmail.neesahart.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:00:40 -0500 (CDT) From: neesa [at] neesahart.com References: In-Reply-To: Hi -- We're in the process of buildling a large prop using spray urethane foam -- Dow Froth Paks -- and since we more or less shot the budget on the foam, I need an economical solution for the smoothing, hardening, finishing stage. We've used Bondo for filling in the divits and fissures. It worked rather well, but now we're to the top coat stage. Has anyone got a recipe for 'shop made' sculpt or coat, or a similar mix that will coat the foam, give us a hard, paintable surface and smoothe out the remaining rough parts? Thanks Neesa Hart Parkview Baptist Church Children's Theatre. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4bea2$b54fc5e0$b3ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References:

Subject: Re: sculpt or coat on a budget Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:05:49 -0500 We use elastometric roofing polymer for coating styro and other foams. It comes in a couple of different densities, and dries to a tough latex-like texture. It's also about 1/4 the cost of Rosco foam coat. Joe UCA Theatre Conway, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: sculpt or coat on a budget > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Hi -- > > We're in the process of buildling a large prop using spray urethane foam -- Dow > Froth Paks -- and since we more or less shot the budget on the foam, I need an > economical solution for the smoothing, hardening, finishing stage. We've used > Bondo for filling in the divits and fissures. It worked rather well, but now > we're to the top coat stage. > > Has anyone got a recipe for 'shop made' sculpt or coat, or a similar mix that > will coat the foam, give us a hard, paintable surface and smoothe out the > remaining rough parts? > > Thanks > > Neesa Hart > Parkview Baptist Church Children's Theatre. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:22:06 -0400 Subject: Re: sculpt or coat on a budget From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Do you have a brand name and source for that? Steve on 10/30/04 1:05 PM, Joe Meils at bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We use elastometric roofing polymer for coating styro and other foams. It > comes in a couple of different densities, and dries to a tough latex-like > texture. It's also about 1/4 the cost of Rosco foam coat. > > Joe > UCA Theatre > Conway, Arkansas ------------------------------ Message-ID: <21485452.1099164469208.JavaMail.root [at] wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:27:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: sculpt or coat on a budget One product I've used is called Jaxsan. A decent builders' supply company ought to be able to provide this or something similar. Maybe even Home Depot. "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- Do you have a brand name and source for that? Steve ------------------------------ Subject: RE: sculpt or coat on a budget Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:45:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fitch, Tracy" I've never found Jaxsan at Home Depot or Lowe's. They have other elastomers but we haven't liked them as well. Jaxsan comes from: Plastic Coatings Corp PO Box 1068 St. Albans, WV 25177-0972 Phone: (304) 755-9151 Fax: (304) 755-0229 We usually use the brushable grade Jaxsan 600. --Tracy Fitch TD, UNC Charlotte LD, Everywhere Else > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Fred > Schoening, Jr. > One product I've used is called Jaxsan. A decent builders' supply company > ought > to be able to provide this or something similar. Maybe even Home Depot. > -----Original Message----- >=20 > Do you have a brand name and source for that? >=20 > Steve ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4bec1$96979aa0$77ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: sculpt or coat on a budget Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:46:52 -0500 I'm not absolutely sure, Steve. I'll go into the shop tonight, and double check while I'm there. If it's of any help, we get the stuff at Lowe's, in the asile for roofing material. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Larson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: sculpt or coat on a budget > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Do you have a brand name and source for that? > > Steve > > on 10/30/04 1:05 PM, Joe Meils at bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > We use elastometric roofing polymer for coating styro and other foams. It > > comes in a couple of different densities, and dries to a tough latex-like > > texture. It's also about 1/4 the cost of Rosco foam coat. > > > > Joe > > UCA Theatre > > Conway, Arkansas > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <97.51280ff4.2eb57dde [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:29:34 EDT Subject: Re: cold water ground In a message dated 30/10/04 06:17:17 GMT Daylight Time, StevevETTrn [at] aol.com writes: > At LDI last week, Bill Whitlock, President of Jensen Transformers, gave an > outstanding presentation on the issues surrounding grounding and audio > noise. > Bottom line, much of what people do (or voodoo) is either ineffective at > best or > hazardous (and illegal) at worst. Even brand new gear is often designed > and > > manufactured with built-in problems. When gear is improperly designed or > interconnected, a voltage differential in the signal wire and the equipment > > grounding > conductor results in noise that is superimposed on the signal. Once > introduced, > the noise will never go away. Isolation (not ground lift!!!) is the best > way to break > the circle of ground loops. > > Earth ground (green wire) is a requirement for safety in all electrical > branch circuits per the > National Electric Code. In some buildings, with metal water pipes, the > "cold water" pipe may > provide a solid path to earth. However, it may or may not be properly > bonded to the > electrical service. It could just introduce an extra set of ground loops > to > track down. > > There are several excellent (and not overly technical) white papers and > FAQs > on the Jensen > web site that will provide you with more details. This is probably sound advice. There is no real substitute for transformer isolation. The only problem is that is costly. Modern pseudo balanced input circuits work quite well, as a rule. Our deaf-aid system, which I designed, has the microphones up in the lighting grid, with all the thyristor noise problems. But, the signal travels only a foot of cable to the head amplifier. When it comes out of that, it's at high level (30V DAP), and again pseudo balanced. The mixer into the Sennheiser box is totally passive, and transformer balanced. It works. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41846107.9060204 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:50:31 -0500 From: Kyle Dugger Subject: Drop Cleaning References: I need some help. I have a light grey leno cyc that has gotten dirty. It has had Flame Retardent applied to it so I am leary of trying anything. I have seen what happens when the FR salts start to leach out onto the surface of a drop. It is not a very pretty sight. There are some black marks anlong one side that appear to be just dirt and dust but there are also a couple of small red stripes and I am not sure what they are. Are there any companies that I could send the drop to to have it cleaned and the Flame Retardent re-applied. kyle dugger ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041030210218.01a45540 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:02:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure > It is not designed to be a folcrum point and that's what it >would be if it was 'outside' the pick up point. >Zat help? Yup, 'cept that I still don't understand why the (seemingly equally) opposite forces on the connections between the picks are ok. There must be some sorta rigger math or bistro math involved that I don't yet understand... Chris Babbie Location Sound Tucson, AZ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041030210819.01a45540 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:08:19 From: CB Subject: Re: cold water ground >When gear is improperly designed or >interconnected, a voltage differential in the signal wire and the equipment >grounding >conductor results in noise that is superimposed on the signal. Ground is a tricky thing, but I dunno if I'd go with the 'superimposition' theory. Ground is the reference to which all signal relates. when there are two different grounds, there are two different references. The op-amps, transformers, diff-amps, whatever, usually pick an average of the two and produce variations as signal. Since variations tend (in this country) to come in sixty and harmonics of sixty cycles, the offending signal is reproduced as hum, or, in the case of its spikier cousins, buzz. Ground hum is the sound system doing what you tell it to do as opposed to what you want it to do. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980410302109436594b4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:09:28 -0400 From: Scott Parker Subject: LED birds for Into the Woods Greetings all, We want to create some sort of twinkling birds for Into the Woods. I am thinking about a bunch of multi colored LEDs attached to a 9V battery hanging from a pipe. Maybe make the LEDs blink. Does anyone have any suggestions or any of the following info? Source for LEDs that work on 9v dc? Source for a very small circuit board to create a variable blink pattern? Perhaps someone has done this and has diagrams? Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041030211058.01a45540 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:10:58 From: CB Subject: Colorado Springs Hey, I've got a corp gig up in Colo Spgs next month, and I may need some local guys at the Broadmoor forAV waiter stuff. Anyone know who does this stuff locally and without constant supervision? And am I gonna die from the cold? It gets down to the fifties here, and I'm already fraid to go outside... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:08:22 -0400 Subject: Re: LED birds for Into the Woods From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Scott, Radio shack has an assortment of LED's but when I tried to make a glowing "tinkerbell" like wand, I found that rather than LED's a lamp from a Minimag worked best. Plus you can go to Pearl Paint and get ceramic glaze and coat the lamps to tint them. Solder some wire to the lamps and run them off double AA batteries and you'll be in good shape. The blinking is another thing.. Put them US of a scrim and the eye movement of the audience members will make them twinkle. HTH. -Herrick On 10/31/04 0:09, "Scott Parker" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all, > We want to create some sort of twinkling birds for Into the Woods. I > am thinking about a bunch of multi colored LEDs attached to a 9V > battery hanging from a pipe. Maybe make the LEDs blink. Does anyone > have any suggestions or any of the following info? > Source for LEDs that work on 9v dc? > Source for a very small circuit board to create a variable blink pattern? > Perhaps someone has done this and has diagrams? > > Thanks, Scott > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041031002712.022fcb00 [at] mail.hstech.org> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:28:16 -0400 From: "Scott C. Parker" Subject: Re: LED birds for Into the Woods In-Reply-To: References:

Thanks Herrick. I love this list: your reply came a minute before I sent my question.., :-) at 12:08 AM 10/31/2004, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Scott, > >Radio shack has an assortment of LED's Scott C. Parker Vice Chair NY Area Section of The United States Institute of Theatre Technology www.usittny.org scott [at] usittny.org 718-757-6661 Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Office: 41 Park Row, 1205F Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 212-346-1681 Scott C. Parker ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #180 *****************************