Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.5) with PIPE id 4871466; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 03:01:41 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.5 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #183 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 03:01:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #183 1. Re: Write only memory by "Alf Sauve" 2. Re: DIY DMX by Jerry Durand 3. Re: DIY DMX by Jerry Durand 4. Re: DIY DMX by David Duffy 5. Re: Write only memory by "Kelly Kohls" 6. Re: Febreeze scentstories by gregg hillmar 7. Little Shop of Horrors - dentist items available. by "Kevin A. Patrick" 8. Advice Needed - Webstreaming by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 9. Re: Animals onstage by "Alf Sauve" 10. Re: Advice Needed - Webstreaming by Herrick Goldman 11. Re: DIY DMX by Jerry Durand 12. Re: Febreeze scentstories by David Marks 13. Re: Animals onstage by David Marks 14. Re: DIY DMX by "Harold Hallikainen" 15. Re: Febreeze scentstories/getting WAAY OT! by Greg Bierly 16. Re: Animals onstage by MissWisc [at] aol.com 17. Re: Grass and Fountains by Loren Schreiber 18. Re: grass on stage and working fountain by "Curt Mortimore" 19. Re: Febreeze scentstories by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: Animals onstage by Stephen Litterst 21. Theater Sound list by David Marks 22. Re: Theater Sound list by Mat Goebel 23. Re: Animals onstage by "Andy Leviss" 24. Re: Febreeze scentstories by "Jon Ares" 25. Re: Theater Sound list by Noah Price 26. Re: Mold release by Shell Dalzell 27. Re: Little Shop of Horrors - dentist items available. by "Tony Deeming" 28. Re: Ice cubes by "Paul Guncheon" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <013d01c4c07c$b513ade0$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Write only memory Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:28:05 -0500 I worked for a company that inadvertently (we were told it was inadvertent....), made write-only tape drives for system backups. This was discovered the first time a customer had a major crash and tried to recover their data. Then there's the ever famous NEVER-NAND gate. Used in a matrix, it might have been a TTL precursor to the WOM. Lastly, there's this video pitch from Rockwell. http://media.ebaumsworld.com/retro.wmv Total bs. (but there is a reason) Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark O'Brien" To: "Stagecraft" Cc: "Mark O'Brien" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 15:58 PM Subject: Write only memory For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I would like to find the original data sheet for this If anyone has it. The obvious antonym to read-only memory. Out of frustration with the long and seemingly useless chain of approvals required of component specifications, during which no actual checking seemed to occur, an engineer at Signetics once created a specification for a write-only memory and included it with a bunch of other specifications to be approved. This inclusion came to the attention of Signetics management only when regular customers started calling and asking for pricing information. Signetics published a corrected edition of the data book and requested the return of the ‘erroneous’ ones. Later, in 1972, Signetics bought a double-page spread in Electronics magazine's April issue and used the spec as an April Fools' Day joke. Instead of the more conventional characteristic curves, the 25120 “fully encoded, 9046 x N, Random Access, write-only-memory” data sheet included diagrams of “bit capacity vs.: Temp.”, “Iff vs. Vff”, “Number of pins remaining vs.: number of socket insertions”, and “AQL vs.: selling price”. The 25120 required a 6.3 VAC VFF supply, a +10V VCC, and VDD of 0V, ±2%. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Nov 1, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:16 AM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >> I'd make a joke about "Smoke Emitting Diodes" but overdriven LEDs >> aren't that entertaining. Overdrive them and they just make a little >> crack noise and then go dark, and, if they're wired in series, they >> all go dark. Boring. > > Back in the days when Sygnetics published a data sheet for the Write Only > Memory (WOM) as a joke in their data book they (or someone else) also > published a data sheet for the Darkness Emitting Arsinide Diode (DEAD). > They said between those and LEDs they got 100% yield. The DEADs were > intended for uses such as "detonated indicators on nuclear weapons". > > BTW, my wife's CAD teacher (back when she was learning CAD on an Apple ][) > taught the WOM as a real product. When he wouldn't listen to reason, we > found the guy that had written the original data sheet and had HIM tell > the instructor. Some people will believe anything if it's written. > > > ---------- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > 219 Oak Wood Way > Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886 > fax: +1 408 356-4659 > web: www.interstellar.com > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041101173917.00b01350 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:48:25 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: DIY DMX In-Reply-To: References:

At 05:20 PM 11/1/2004, you wrote: Hi Harold, >Sounds pretty much what I do. I don't kill the uart interrupt either. >There's no need to if the firmware is writtten to process the DMX >stream and the phase angles independently. I only run the micro at >20MHz and usually on a 16F628A or similar device. Works well. >David... And you have well-written code. Obviously you didn't select and program the processors in the "3-pin XLR" dimmers I (and lots of other people) have. I have one very good, stable dimmer made by Dove and two functional, but unstable "3-pin" dimmers. I recommend that customers use quality dimmers (I normally tell them to NOT get a dimmer with a 3-pin XLR as a start), but I have modified the firmware in our controller (version not released yet) to allow the user to slow the DMX rate down by as much as they need to make cheap dimmers work. So, since the original question was making a DIY dimmer I assume the person was doing it to learn more about it (since you can get dimmers pretty cheap on eBay, I got mine for $20/channel counting shipping). Not knowing what processor they would pick I gave some rules and options. There's no reason you couldn't use a cheap, fast PIC without a UART at all, our first DMX controller was based on an 18 pin Scenix part (PIC clone) and was doing the RS-232, DMX, and I2C to an FRAM all at normal DMX speeds without a single UART or I2C interface. I wouldn't expect a beginner to be able to make that work. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041101174836.00b015e0 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:50:40 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: DIY DMX In-Reply-To: References:

At 05:24 PM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >Most dimmers would be using PIC or AVR micro's wouldn't they? >That's plenty of horsepower to receive DMX and do phase control. >I've not had problems with the zero crossing "messing up" on mine. >Maybe you're not using an interrupt to sense the zero-cross? >David... Most (but not all) dimmers work. :) I'm actually looking into using an Actel eX series FPGA for handling a lot of channels. Comes out cheaper than a processor with a ton of PWM outputs. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4186EB20.5090505 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:04:16 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: DIY DMX References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > David Duffy wrote: > >> Sounds pretty much what I do. I don't kill the uart interrupt either. >> There's no need to if the firmware is writtten to process the DMX >> stream and the phase angles independently. I only run the micro at >> 20MHz and usually on a 16F628A or similar device. Works well. >> David... > > > And you have well-written code. Obviously you didn't select and > program the processors in the "3-pin XLR" dimmers I (and lots of other > people) have. > > I have one very good, stable dimmer made by Dove and two functional, > but unstable "3-pin" dimmers. I recommend that customers use quality > dimmers (I normally tell them to NOT get a dimmer with a 3-pin XLR as > a start), but I have modified the firmware in our controller (version > not released yet) to allow the user to slow the DMX rate down by as > much as they need to make cheap dimmers work. > > So, since the original question was making a DIY dimmer I assume the > person was doing it to learn more about it (since you can get dimmers > pretty cheap on eBay, I got mine for $20/channel counting shipping). > Not knowing what processor they would pick I gave some rules and > options. There's no reason you couldn't use a cheap, fast PIC without > a UART at all, our first DMX controller was based on an 18 pin Scenix > part (PIC clone) and was doing the RS-232, DMX, and I2C to an FRAM all > at normal DMX speeds without a single UART or I2C interface. I > wouldn't expect a beginner to be able to make that work. Hi Jerry, Gotta love those *special* DMX 3 pin XLR's eh? :-) Yes, Dove (Harold) seems to have a good reputation. Nice to see that quality products do still exist out there! I wouldn't like to do a DMX dimmer without a UART unless it was a damn fast micro. Micro's with uarts are getting extremely cheap now but there's always some factory that will skimp and design in a low spec chip and release it on the unsuspecting public! I'm sure that consumers would pay the extra $5 (at retail level ~ $1 wholesale) for a more stable dimmer. I have a few DJ effects here that I use for school disco's and you can see some of them "twitch" every so often when they should be stable. Maybe they figure that you won't notice it (or care) while they're moving all over the place! David... ------------------------------ From: "Kelly Kohls" Subject: RE: Write only memory Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:18:38 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mark, Have a look at the bottom of this website: http://www.ganssle.com/misc/wom.html. Kelly Kohls, N5TLE Bedford, Texas There never enough time to do it right, but plenty of time to do it over. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Mark O'Brien Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:59 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: Mark O'Brien Subject: Write only memory For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I would like to find the original data sheet for this If anyone has it. The obvious antonym to read-only memory. Out of frustration with the long and seemingly useless chain of approvals required of component specifications, during which no actual checking seemed to occur, an engineer at Signetics once created a specification for a write-only memory and included it with a bunch of other specifications to be approved. This inclusion came to the attention of Signetics management only when regular customers started calling and asking for pricing information. Signetics published a corrected edition of the data book and requested the return of the ‘erroneous’ ones. Later, in 1972, Signetics bought a double-page spread in Electronics magazine's April issue and used the spec as an April Fools' Day joke. Instead of the more conventional characteristic curves, the 25120 “fully encoded, 9046 x N, Random Access, write-only-memory” data sheet included diagrams of “bit capacity vs.: Temp.”, “Iff vs. Vff”, “Number of pins remaining vs.: number of socket insertions”, and “AQL vs.: selling price”. The 25120 required a 6.3 VAC VFF supply, a +10V VCC, and VDD of 0V, ±2%. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Nov 1, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:16 AM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >> I'd make a joke about "Smoke Emitting Diodes" but overdriven LEDs >> aren't that entertaining. Overdrive them and they just make a little >> crack noise and then go dark, and, if they're wired in series, they >> all go dark. Boring. > > Back in the days when Sygnetics published a data sheet for the Write > Only Memory (WOM) as a joke in their data book they (or someone else) > also published a data sheet for the Darkness Emitting Arsinide Diode > (DEAD). They said between those and LEDs they got 100% yield. The > DEADs were intended for uses such as "detonated indicators on nuclear > weapons". > > BTW, my wife's CAD teacher (back when she was learning CAD on an Apple > ][) taught the WOM as a real product. When he wouldn't listen to > reason, we found the guy that had written the original data sheet and > had HIM tell the instructor. Some people will believe anything if > it's written. > > > ---------- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > 219 Oak Wood Way > Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886 > fax: +1 408 356-4659 > web: www.interstellar.com > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <587BC690-2C76-11D9-9D05-000A95D99210 [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: Febreeze scentstories Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:24:38 -0500 On Nov 1, 2004, at 7:32 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > gregg hillmar wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> Stephen, wasn't your office also in an old tobacco warehouse? And/or >> equidistant to the tobacco plants in south richmond? "In the old >> days," >> the reek of tobacco production overcame most great smells. Ages ago, >> the building behind the Empire theatre was a dairy. Oye, the smells >> coming from that could be dangerous! > > Our building was one of the earlier Pleasant's Hardware stores. Our > loading dock out back still had their name painted on the bricks. The > reek of tobacco production was a familiar smell, not because of > Richmond but because I grew up in MD surrounded by tobacco barns. I > remember fondly the smell of tobacco curing. > Ah, you were still at Lombardy & Broad??? I thought you had made the move to the new space before you left town. Of course your corner WAS known city-wide as one of the best places to -ummm- "connect." I guess that is a different kind of "stench." My Dad worked in the building across the street at Lombardy & Grace. It was an old Civil War hospital. He used to tell stories of being there late-night that does not need Halloween to enliven! One of my first jobs out of college with Backstage, Inc. (when they were a full-service theatrical supplier...) had me working right next to the Wonder Bread bakery. Between that, the cookies, and Sauers, I was always hungry. g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige ------------------------------ From: "Kevin A. Patrick" Subject: Little Shop of Horrors - dentist items available. Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:33:40 -0500 Organization: Columbus State University In-reply-to: Message-ID: We recently closed LSOH, and have a nice dentist chair and scary dentist tool, sink, thingamajig with lots of exposed air lines and compression joints. We are not interested in getting into the rental business, but we are interested in selling the items if anyone is near enough to pick them up. They are not light. I can provide photos if anyone is interested. Contact off-list, since this is not really a commercial post but shouldn't clog up the ewaves either. Kevin Patrick Patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu 706.568.2048 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: Advice Needed - Webstreaming Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:37:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c4c084$f5523cc0$0300a8c0 [at] Roadbox> Folks: =A0 My bosses are looking to me to get us into the webstreaming business and = I wonder if anyone on the list has been down this road already? I am = putting together bids for both on-demand and livestreaming type scenarios with = both in-house and third-party hosting options. Any advice (hardware, = software, or general process) would be greatly appreciated on or off list. =A0 Thanks. =A0 Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt Audio-Visual Director Central Synagogue NYC jmg [at] roadhat.net =A0 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01ed01c4c085$1a71b760$0600a8c0 [at] alf> From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: Animals onstage Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:27:40 -0500 Who said never to share the stage with children or animals? Given the choice.....forced to make a choice, I'd choose animals any day over children. I've managed a dog in one show and a bird in another. Both were on short leashes. Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kacy Woody" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 13:36 PM Subject: Animals onstage > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a question for those facility people around here. Does your > facility > have any kind of rules about animals onstage? Since we've got a client > who's putting on Annie in the not too distant future, we're looking at our > policy, and all we really have is the usual "no animals other that those > used onstage or service animals" and "your animal makes a mess, you clean > it > up." (and this is one of those clients that you give 'em an inch, they > take > 5 miles.) > > Any ideas are appreciated. > Thanks > Kacy > > > -- > "Don't try this at home..... I'm a trained professional idiot." > Kacy Woody > TD, High Point Theatre > 336-883-8523 > kacy.woody [at] ci.high-point.nc.us > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:48:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Advice Needed - Webstreaming From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Talk to Noah Price. Aside from hosting this list he hosts my website and domain and generally kicks ass. Besides with a name like Noah he'll be an easy sell to your bosses. On 11/1/04 21:37, "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Folks: > =A0 > My bosses are looking to me to get us into the webstreaming business and = I > wonder if anyone on the list has been down this road already? I am puttin= g > together bids for both on-demand and livestreaming type scenarios with bo= th > in-house and third-party hosting options. Any advice (hardware, software,= or > general process) would be greatly appreciated on or off list. > =A0 > Thanks. > =A0 > Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt > Audio-Visual Director > Central Synagogue > NYC > jmg [at] roadhat.net > =A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041101185038.00af6ef8 [at] localhost> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:52:59 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: DIY DMX In-Reply-To: References:

At 06:04 PM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >Yes, Dove (Harold) >seems to have a good reputation. Nice to see that quality products do still >exist out there! I actually found a bug in his firmware when I first got the dimmer, he fixed it immediately for no charge. I'm known for being able to find bugs in software that's been "perfected" for a long time. I've received free software from a couple of companies for breaking their code (and then helping fix it). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4186F7AC.5090107 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:57:48 -0500 From: David Marks Subject: Re: Febreeze scentstories References:

Greg Bierly wrote: > > Growing up in Elizabethtown Pa. I knew it was going to rain (due to > the wind shifting) when I could smell the M&M Mars plant on the other > side of town from my house. Still a weather indicator in Mount Joy (the town to the east of Etown, PA.) The real killer is the Y & S candy factory in Centerville. Licorice is their main product and you can smell it for quite a distance if the conditions are right. It's good to live in Candy Land! Dave Marks Smelly Mount Joy, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4186F912.7090101 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:03:46 -0500 From: David Marks Subject: Re: Animals onstage References:

My personal favorite was a multi million dollar corporate song and dance show. A corporate twist to "Crocodile Dundee", complete with one live croc. Opryland Hotel, Nashville. The croc is released on stage and empties its considerable bladder right at the edge of the stage creating a croc waterfall. Yahoo! The smell-o-vision was working at full strength. Those were the days...... Dave Marks ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2886.192.168.1.1.1099365349.squirrel [at] kauko.hallikainen.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:15:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: DIY DMX From: "Harold Hallikainen" Thanks for the nice comments. By the way, at Dove we do hardware/software updates at no charge. I know there was originally a problem with the Shoebox occasionally dropping a byte in the received DMX with some controllers, which certainly made a mess! The product was out several years before someone brought it to our attention. We rented one of the consoles the customer was using and were able to duplicate the problem. We found the problem and fixed it. All later production was updated. All repairs continue to be updated. I personally log all product repairs with an eye towards keeping what broke from breaking again. We recently changed from 15A to 25A triacs in several products where the outputs are rated (and have circuit breakers) at 10A. This should reduce the number of triac failures we see. Also, we found that if a triac failed to an open, a resistor in the driver circuit would blow. We replaced this with a PTC thermistor which protects itself should the triac open. Please let me know of any problems you find in Dove Systems products. I'll work on fixing it. It benefits us in making our products better. I appreciate your input! Harold > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 06:04 PM 11/1/2004, you wrote: >>Yes, Dove (Harold) >>seems to have a good reputation. Nice to see that quality products do >> still >>exist out there! > > I actually found a bug in his firmware when I first got the dimmer, he > fixed it immediately for no charge. > > I'm known for being able to find bugs in software that's been "perfected" > for a long time. I've received free software from a couple of companies > for breaking their code (and then helping fix it). > > > > ---------- > Jerry Durand > Durand Interstellar, Inc. > 219 Oak Wood Way > Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA > tel: +1 408 356-3886 > fax: +1 408 356-4659 > web: www.interstellar.com > > > -- FCC Rules Online at http://www.hallikainen.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <406082F2-2C7F-11D9-A66F-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Febreeze scentstories/getting WAAY OT! Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:28:23 -0500 > The real killer is the Y & S candy factory in Centerville. I don't know how I forgot that one, other than the fact I am a chocoholic (wiping the remains of my kids halloween candy from my mouth). I drove past Y&S every day to work for the past 7 years. You have to like the strawberry Twizzlers to really enjoy the experience. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <67.36c8a006.2eb85d38 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:47:04 EST Subject: Re: Animals onstage Cc: kacy.woody [at] ci.high-point.nc.us I'd suggest addings something like: All animals, when not actively needed for the production, must be kept in a "crate" or "cage". (In other words, when Sandy isn't going to or from stage, she should be in the crate, not hanging around in the wings or green room or dressing areas, etc. This is as much for the animal's safety as well as that of the actors/audience! If the animal is already crate trained, it'll help her keep calm. Show dogs do this all the time.) and Animals must be under the direct control of a responsible adult - said person to be legally and financially reponsible for any and all damages, etc. made by the animal. (Have you legal team work on that wording. If Sandy pees on someone's leg, you know who pays for the dry cleaning. If Sandy attacks someone - you've removed some of the burdon from your facility.) along with Animals will have all necessary shots/licenses/whatever else your local AHJ may require. A representative of the AHJ for animal control/humane society, local vet, whomever can say "This animal is healthy and OK to perform" shall have the right to unlimited access to the animal at any location 24/7 during the rehearsal and run of the show. Again... talk with your building risk management folks. I'm certain they'll have more to add. This is just off the top of my head. Might also ask the producing group to have liability insurance specifically relating to the actions of the dog?? Others can weigh in on that idea. (Richard??) Kristi Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. For legal advice, contact an attorney familiar with the laws in your area. My suggestions are the result of hanging around dog shows and reading too many contracts. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20041101190943.030a8870 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:50:09 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Grass and Fountains In-Reply-To: References: I've done both several times. The most successful grass was natural color raffia--the stuff you usually see dyed bright green covering the dirt from grave sites. Our scenic artists essentially tie-dyed the material, wrapping it with twine and bunching it up in more or less random ways, before hudsoning with various grass colors. When dry and laid out over irregular padding, it looked absolutely real. Cheap too. Second most successful grass was forest green shag carpet, burned to nubble in some places, shaved and close-cropped in others to get a more natural growth pattern, then over-dyed and bleached for better color. A lot of audience members came up after the show to touch the grass to see if it was real. Green shag is harder to find these days--check your grandmother's house. The least successful grass was real turf. We used the real thing in an arena production where the audience was less than 3 feet away. The designer insisted. We installed grow lights, watered it carefully but it died anyway. So we replaced the sod every other day. It rotted the floor beneath--even with thick plastic below--promoted the growth of mildew and other fungus up into the house carpeting and seats, along with introducing several species of beetle, grubs and moths to the theatre, which required an exterminator to kill. I don't recommend this method. Fountains: the simplest and least leaky was building a decorative box around a vinyl kiddy pool. We got it at Kaybee Toys for $6. Pump for the fountain was the submersible type and the cord just draped over the edge in some fake mossy stuff. Worked like a charm for 10 weeks of production and rehearsals, including actors jumping around in it and daily repertory swaps where it was roughly handled. Add a teaspoon of bleach to kill the inevitable algae and other creepy-crawlies each time water is added (to make up for evaporation). Second runner up: a decorative box lined with hand-laid fiberglass mat. If carefully done to avoid voids in the layup, it works very well, but it is expensive, smelly, messy, time-consuming and many people are allergic to the chemicals. Third runner up: a decorative box lined with painted on elastomeric roofing material or pipe lagging compound like Jasco. Works better with shallow tubs, since the material tends to ooze to the bottom while drying, leaving the upper part of the sides unprotected. Once moisture gets below this type of coating it seems to fail all over. Fourth runner up: was the kind of fountain you often see in Europe--water squirting out of the mouth of some creature into the decorative tub below. For this fountain I merely caught the "spit" in a 2" diameter section of PVC pipe and sent it back to the pump directly. The water never actually touched the tub. Invariably, a short time after the fountain appears in rehearsal, you will be asked to make it silent. Oh, the water should still run like a fountain, it just mustn't sound like a fountain. If you don't make it silent, be prepared for long lines at the restrooms during intermission and numerous comings and goings (ha ha) during the performance. Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html ------------------------------ Subject: RE: grass on stage and working fountain Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:57:07 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Curt Mortimore" Jarrod, Water, I have a couple suggestions. Grass, no good ideas. I have been around several "Water" situations on stage in the last several years and I have a couple ideas for you to ponder. First would be to talk to a local pool supplier. We had good success with a traditional, heavy duty(I don't remember the thickness), rubber pool liner that we bought as a big square. The pool itself was a sturdy plywood structure which we stapled the liner to, trimmed the excess, then capped the "rim" with "stones". We had people in the pool every night for a fairly long run and had no problems with leaking. The second idea is to find a local "Spray-in-bed-liner" shop that sprays pick-up beds. I was lucky enough to have a local guy who was really excited about finding alterative applications for his product. We built a small pool, delivered it to his shop and he mixed our custom color and sprayed the interior of our "pool". We then capped the top edge of the pool with Masonite "tiles" which had been coated with Jaxsan, painted and sealed. We did two pools this way. The first we didn't do perfectly and had a couple small leaks. The craftsmanship needs to be pretty good as the liner material won't cover wide gaps or holes. These leaks were easily fixed with the "touch up" our bed-liner guy gave us. We also had texture added and sprayed in with the liner material so the actors wouldn't slip. Both of the solutions worked very well for their respective applications. I hope this has been helpful. Curtis L. Mortimore Graceland University 1 University Place Lamoni, IA 50140 (641) 784-5265 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jarrod Bray Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:42 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: grass on stage and working fountain For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hey guys-- I have a few interesting challenges in my upcoming production of Big Love.=20 As there are always many ways to solve a problem, I'm looking for some=20 alternative solutions. Prob. 1: Grass on stage. I need a lot of it. I am trying to get some grass mats from autograph, but I=20 think they are too expensive. There is always real sod, as it is a short run, but how do I keep it from falling apart? Any other ideas? Prob. 2: Working fountain. I know many of you have done pools on stage a la Metamorphosis. The fountain=20 in hexagonal in shape, and is about 6' in diameter, and 2'-6" high. I was=20 considering essentially building a stout box and lining it with plastic, but=20 I am worried about the lining tearing when the actress (or some zealous crew=20 member) gets inside of it. Any other good ideas? Thanks, I'm looking forward to your responses, Jarrod Bray _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE!=20 http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:01:50 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Febreeze scentstories Message-id: <418706AE.75B1F3F5 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

gregg hillmar wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ah, you were still at Lombardy & Broad??? I thought you had made the > move to the new space before you left town. We had made the move, but the Canal St facility had only ever been a Reynolds Metals lab was my understanding. > Of course your corner WAS > known city-wide as one of the best places to -ummm- "connect." I guess > that is a different kind of "stench." Know that story well. We put in motion sensor lights to keep people from using the doorways to "connect." It worked for a bit until the "ladies" realized they could use the lights as spotlights. Steve l -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:03:16 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Animals onstage Message-id: <41870704.89D55451 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Alf Sauve wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Who said never to share the stage with children or animals? W.C. Fields is most often credited with that, but I believe it was a vaudeville saying long before him. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41870D93.3070806 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:31:15 -0500 From: David Marks Subject: Theater Sound list Trying to subscribe to Theater sound, following the links on Noah's stagecraft site but I get no response. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. Dave Marks ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:44:15 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Theater Sound list In-Reply-To: References: http://www.brooklyn.com/theatre-sound/index.html To subscribe: " Send mail to listserv [at] listserv.aol.com with the text "subscribe theatre-sound {your name}" (without the brackets or the quotes) in the body of the message. You're encouraged to use your real, full name in your subscription, because it makes it easier for your collegues to find you & mail you. It is not, however, required. Note that you'll receive a message from listserv asking you to confirm your subscription, and giving instructions on how to do so. You'll get this once when you first sign up, and then about every 6 months on the anniversary of your subscription (unless you're a regular poster, in which case listserv assumes your address is still valid). This helps weed-out bad addresses on the list. " On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:31:15 -0500, David Marks wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Trying to subscribe to Theater sound, following the links > on Noah's stagecraft site but I get no response. > Can someone point me in the right direction? > Thanks. > > Dave Marks > > -- Mat Goebel Entertainment Technical Services Paramount's Great America Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: RE: Animals onstage Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:45:37 -0500 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <001201c4c09f$2e6fd2f0$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: > Who said never to share the stage with children or animals? Obviously not the guys who wrote "Annie"! --Andy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003a01c4c0a0$fb769710$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Febreeze scentstories Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:58:31 -0800 > The first shop for my current employer was across the street from > Cincinnati's sewer plant. A few years later, we moved to a shop just > down the street from the Keebler Cookie Plant, that was a MAJOR > improvement, though tough in it's own way. My mother used to work for a company across from a Nabisco plant (and they were clients of mine) and on 'good' cookie days (Oreos, etc) it was lovely - on burned cookie or cracker day, it was far from pleasant. Burned Oreos - not a pleasant scent! -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <713B4A90-2C9F-11D9-A3E7-000A958ABBF8 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Theater Sound list Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:18:49 -0800 On Nov 1, 2004, at 8:31 PM, David Marks wrote: > Trying to subscribe to Theater sound, following the links > on Noah's stagecraft site but I get no response. > Can someone point me in the right direction? The info on the Theater Sound site matches what I have, so I think it's correct. Could the reply's be getting diverted to a spam folder or by a similar filter? AOL has been getting much stricter about the servers it will accept mail from (Theater Sound is run from AOL's Listserv). Your messages might not be getting through. Can you try from another address? If you do find out I have the wrong info posted, please send a correction :-) Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:24:08 -1000 Subject: Re: Mold release From: Shell Dalzell Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Paul, I have cast dozens of icecubes in polyethelene trays with no seperating agent. I mix fairly cool batches and if they are still slightly sticky after release I give them a light spray of silicone. Works like a champ. Aloha, Shell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c4c0b5$f05da8e0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Little Shop of Horrors - dentist items available. Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:28:29 -0000 Shame it ain't in the UK - I would put these on my (slowly) growing list of props! Ynot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin A. Patrick" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:33 AM Subject: Little Shop of Horrors - dentist items available. > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We recently closed LSOH, and have a nice dentist chair and scary dentist > tool, sink, thingamajig with lots of exposed air lines and compression > joints. We are not interested in getting into the rental business, but we > are interested in selling the items if anyone is near enough to pick them > up. They are not light. I can provide photos if anyone is interested. > Contact off-list, since this is not really a commercial post but shouldn't > clog up the ewaves either. > > Kevin Patrick > Patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu > 706.568.2048 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004501c4c0ca$2ab70220$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re:Ice cubes Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:53:19 -1000 Because the results won't look like ice cubes without freakin' heck of a lot of post-cut forming and polishing. As far as reinventing the wheel, I hear you. Fake ice cubes are about $1.00 per + shipping on line. A quart of casting resin and catalyst runs about $14.00 total. I figure I can get about 5 dozen cubes out of the quart plus also control the shape and size. It won't take that much time and I'll learn a little in the process. Laters, Paul "Nay, nay" said Tom, a little hoarse. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #183 *****************************