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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #184

 1. Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
 2. Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 3. Re: Jaxsan 600
    by thetd222 <thetd222 [at] email.unc.edu>
 4. Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>
 5. Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
 6. Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure
    by "Shawn Nolan" <ShawnN [at] entertainmentstructures.com>
 7. Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 8. Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 9. Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
10. Michael Powers
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
11. IAAPA /   ORLANDO
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
12. Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
13. Re: Jaxsan 600
    by Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
14. Re: Write only memory
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
15. Re: Febreeze scentstories
    by Mike Voytko <mv35 [at] nyu.edu>
16. Digest Message Numbering
    by Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
17. Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure
    by "Cyr, Dale" <Dale.Cyr [at] getronics.com>
18. ETC Express boards: internal battery?
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
19. Re: ETC Express boards: internal battery?
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
20. Re: Digest Message Numbering
    by Noah Price <stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net>
21. Re: Febreeze scentstories
    by "Scott Boyle" <smboyle [at] cc.edu>

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:43:43 -0500
From: Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Nov. 2 - VOTE
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Just a friendly reminder to all of you here in the United States:

Go to the polls, VOTE.

Mike


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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:18:51 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Subject: Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
References: <list-4814919 [at] prxy.net> <list-4851188 [at] prxy.net> <list-4872000 [at] prxy.net>

Yes Indeed!  Vote early and often  ;)

Best,
Steve


Mike Brubaker wrote:
> 
> Go to the polls, VOTE.
> 
> Mike



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Message-Id: <200411021328.iA2DS2C4022094 [at] smtp.unc.edu>
From: thetd222 <thetd222 [at] email.unc.edu>
Subject: RE: Jaxsan 600
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:28:00 -0500

When I was in Atlanta, we got it at National Insulation. (It was about $60 =
a 5 gal bucket.) It came in two grades, trowelable &  sprayable.

It is a roofing compound that may be available through a local
building/insulation/etc supplier. The Henry's elastometric stuff that Home =
Depot sells is similar, but Jaxsan 600 is a little thicker & holds up to we=
ar better.

Rosebrand also sells it, but it is expensive.


- Will Leonard
Assistant Technical Director
PlayMakers Repertory Company
Center for Dramatic Art
UNC - Chapel Hill
O: 919-843-9817
C: 919-423-9162

Sometimes you just have to ask yourself: WWJCD?
(What would Johnny Cash do?) =


My website: http://WillTheTD.tripod.com


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Subject: RE: Nov. 2 - VOTE
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:29:28 -0500
Message-ID: <C5FA5FEED6F0884E9EB90BB3C010F1EF08C99CAD [at] etsuex1.etsu.edu>
From: "Hall, Delbert L." <HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu>

Me too.

-Delbert


Delbert L. Hall, President
Hall Associates, Inc.
Phone: 423-773-HALL
Web: www.flyingfx.com


-----Original Message-----

Yes Indeed!  Vote early and often  ;)

Best,
Steve


Mike Brubaker wrote:
>=20
> Go to the polls, VOTE.
>=20
> Mike



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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1f1.2e845557.2eb8e622 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:31:14 EST
Subject: Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE


In a message dated 11/2/04 8:30:23 AM, HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu writes:

>
>Yes Indeed!  Vote early and often  ;)
>
>Best,
>Steve




that's a grand tradition here in Tampa, , , I assure you ! 



very best,

Keith Arsenault


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From: "Shawn Nolan" <ShawnN [at] entertainmentstructures.com>
Subject:  Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:53:35 -0500
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 All,

(sorry for the late reply, I've had some trouble getting the list to accept
my emails...)

As regards the "Bizarre" truss failure posted by Dale Cyr, I think this
failure was not bizarre at all but, highly predictable and inevitable.
  
I suspect that several things were going on.

1.  I think they probably exceeded the allowable span for the load.
Extrapolating from the info on the load table as shown in the photo, the
allowable bending moment for this truss is apx. 8,100 lb.ft. to 8,400 lb.ft.
Say we use the average of 8,250 lb.ft. as the allowable value (note:  I have
included the self weight of the truss in my calcs).  For a 65' span, the
allowable UNIFORM LIVE LOAD is about
9.1 pounds per foot.  This would give a TOTAL LOAD, UNIFORMLY DISTRIBUTED of
591 pounds.  Even without accounting for the slenderness of the truss, the
load is very close to the raw, theoretical capacity of the truss.  In
addition, IT MUST BE NOTED, that the truss, at 65' long, is VERY SLENDER.
When a beam-like (like a horizontal truss) element is loaded, the top of the
beam (in this case the top chord) is placed in compression.  We all
empirically know that, if you have a tall skinny column (imagine a
2x4 that is 10' tall, trying to support a thousand pounds...it is apparent
that it will buckle...) that is not properly braced, it will fail.  If you
have a well braced column, however (take the 10' 
2x4 and brace it securely and stoutly at 1' intervals...much better chance
of it holding the load) you can support a much higher load.  
The top chord of the truss is acting like that slender column.  
You might say that it is braced by the bottom chords.  This is true, up to a
point.  At some point, the ENTIRE ASSEMBLY also becomes too slender.
Consequently, even though I calculated an extrapolated capacity for 65', it
is VERY LIKELY THAT MY CALCULATION IS WRONG!  
I did not consider slenderness (somewhat complicated) but, suffice it to
say, there is a reason the manufacturer publishes a span limit of 50'.  

2.  I think that the unusual rigging of the spansets induced torsional
forces into the truss.  These trusses are generally intended to be loaded
uniformly.  Torsion is not allowed!

3.  Rigging of the curtain from the top chord would also tend to induce
torsion into the truss.  The mass of the curtain would tend to impart a
horizontal component into the bottom chord of the truss, as it draped past
that chord.

4.  If it was rigged the same way as the "20 to 30 times" before, why did it
fail now?  There are a few possibilities:
	A.  Dale Cyr states that the rigging of the spansets was 
	"unusual".  The attachment of the span sets may have induced some 
	torsional tendencies (however small) into the truss arrangement.
	B.  Since Dale was not on site, he may not really know if it was
	"done the way it has always been done".  
	C.  It is pertinent to point
	out that, apparently, the trusses have been seeing some torsional
	forces for some time (as evidenced by the "rocking" of the trusses
	when placed on a flat floor).  This indicates that the trusses
	have likely been being overstressed for some time.
	D.  Was there some other load we don't know about that just put 
	this over the edge?  Were the motors different, such that the 
	load upon starting and stopping (shock load) was greater than 
	was seen before?  Did the operator "bump" the motors too much, 
	setting up either a vibration or a shock load greater than 
	"normal"?  Was this just the night when, for a variety of 
	subtle reasons, that the trusses, loaded well beyond the limit 
	of their design capacity, finally exceeded their yield 
	strength and decided to let go?

5.  I believe that this 65' span, rigged with two motors, was well beyond
the design capacity of the truss.  It did not fall down earlier due to a
combination of luck and, the fact that, while the trusses were WELL BEYOND
their capacity, the design factor had not been totally exceeded.  (Note:
Most manufacturers do not publish their "design factors" for good reason.
If this is published, someone will say, "Hey, I've got another 50 pounds per
foot before it breaks!  
Go ahead!  Load it up!!)  Design factors are complicated; they are a
function of many variables having to do with material, connections, tube
shape and wall thickness, usage, etc, etc, etc....  
On this night, the combination of the "unusual" rigging of the span sets,
perhaps connected with the slightly heavier drapes due to the humidity,
perhaps combined with "bumpy" motors, resulted in finally truly exceeding
the capacity of the truss.  Both of the trusses failed at mid-span.  This
had nothing to do with bad welds or bad construction.  
When something fails due to being overloaded in bending, it fails at
mid-span.  This would have happened whether or not there was a 5' 
section was at mid-span.  The fact that, in several places, material ripped
apart and plates bent tends to indicate GOOD WELDS.  Remember, when you
exceed design capacity, initially you are just "biting into" 
the design factor (the factor of safety).  Look up the capacity for a 2x10
joist at a 10' span.  Can you put more load on this joist than the tables
recommend before it breaks?  Absolutely!  Is it a good idea?  NO!!!
Allowable design stresses are intended to prevent failure due to the
inevitable unknowns that exist in the real world.  
Things such as imperfect manufacturing, varying material strengths, slight
overloads, human error, etc... are the reason that design factors exist.  If
something is loaded, to the best of everyone's ability, to it's allowable
capacity, then, if you miss calculating the load by 5%, everything will
still be o.k.  However, if you have a truss, loaded right up to it's
ultimate capacity (well beyond a reasonable design load) and you "add 5%
load" either due to actual additional load or due to torsion, shock load or
whatever then, that truss WILL FAIL!

So, in conclusion, I think this was an accident waiting to happen.  
I think that, if the manufacturer truly knew the nature of the loads and the
rigging they would say "NO WAY!".  If the manufacturer publishes a span
limit (apparently clearly indicated on the truss...) then, those guidelines
should be followed.  
If a user wants to try and exceed those guidelines, they should get a FORMAL
ANSWER FROM THE MANUFACTURER OR A LICENSED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN WRITING.
  
The industry as a whole continues to be very lucky with failures of this
type.  If accidents continue to happen, it is inevitable that our luck will
run out.  There are many smart and knowledgeable people working in this
industry, which includes, I believe, most of us.  If you think something
looks or "feels" wrong, if your gut tells you it's wrong, you are probably
right!  Please pay attention to these things, it may be you, your best
friend or your kid sitting at the concert who gets injured or worse.  
What we do takes vigilance, discipline and knowledge.  We all have the
ability to apply these things to insure that we can all sleep at night.  I
am not pointing fingers at anyone.  I know that none of us would
intentionally do anything dangerous but, I think that surely someone must
have wondered about exceeding the published span or, thought that this rig
seemed to "have a bit more deflection than seemed reasonable" 
or, "seemed a bit more bouncy than usual".  If you think a rig has a
problem, I would encourage you to say something.  Politely, insistently, say
something.  
Don't just let it go.

O.K. Done preaching for today. 
 
Shawn Nolan, P.E.
Entertainment Structures Group
A Division of Steven Schaefer Associates
10411 Medallion Drive, Suite 121
Cincinnati, OH  45241
(513) 699-2571 direct line
(513) 542-3300 main line
(513) 542-5540 fax
(513) 706-3125 mobile
Shawn.Nolan [at] EntertainmentStructures.com
www.EntertainmentStructures.com

 



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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:59:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BDACFCF6.7A0%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-4872360 [at] prxy.net>

Yeah Keith you tell your friends and neighbors we're gonna hold Florida
personally responsible if you guys screw this up again! Maybe we'll sell you
all to Cuba. 



On 11/2/04 8:31, "IAEG [at] aol.com" <IAEG [at] aol.com> wrote:

> 
> that's a grand tradition here in Tampa, , , I assure you !
> 
> 
> 
> very best,
> 
> Keith Arsenault
> 
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com

"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS


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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:06:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BDACFE8B.B2B%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-4872483 [at] prxy.net>

on 11/2/04 8:53 AM, Shawn Nolan at ShawnN [at] entertainmentstructures.com wrote:

> (take the 10' 
> 2x4 and brace it securely and stoutly at 1' intervals


Hmmmm.  Now we're supposed to use Stout to support loads?  I know I use
stout to get a load on, but never tried to support a load with it.
<<gg>>.

On a different note, I want to thank Shawn for taking the time to draft up
that response.  Not only was it well versed, it responded directly to the
situation without a lot of digression and me too-ism.

This is yet another example of a list member spending his/her own time (ie:
money) to freely offer expert advice to this list.  The response that Shawn
sent in would have cost a considerable amount of money if he was writing for
a client.

Please do not forget people like Shawn when you go looking for goods and
services.

Thanks
Bill S.


www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561  mobile

We stand behind, and under, our work.


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <9e.18a2e220.2eb8ee29 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:05:29 EST
Subject: Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE


In a message dated 11/2/04 9:00:29 AM, Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com writes:

>Yeah Keith you tell your friends and neighbors we're gonna hold Florida
>personally responsible if you guys screw this up again! Maybe we'll sell
>you
>all to Cuba. 
>


well, , ,  ya know, , ,   there are already Dem and Rep lawyers all over the 
place.  The republicans have already challenged in a couple of counties and 
the polls have just opened , , the challenge is based on some voter rolls that 
Jeb Bush tried to purge,  ,, the company that provided him the list told him it 
was terribly flawed and he instituted it anyhow, , the courts overturned it, 
, and now it's ALREADY the basis for a challenge, , 

unless something happens and some big electoral votes states go in ways that 
neither party expects I have a feeling that we might not know the out come for 
a couple of days at least, , weeks are a possibility

very best,

Keith Arsenault


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Message-ID: <418794AA.70809 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:07:38 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Subject: Michael Powers

Michael,
My Tech Expo notes to you keep bouncing.  Please send me your REAL email 
address so I can fix my address book. All, sorry for the OT bandwidth.
TIA
Steve


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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <5b.5ce5479d.2eb8ef18 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:09:28 EST
Subject: IAAPA /   ORLANDO

Any one planing on being in Orlando and attending IAAPA in November?

let me know, 


very best,

Keith Arsenault


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Message-Id: <E36B23A0-2CD9-11D9-A66F-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Nov. 2 - VOTE
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:17:11 -0500

> I have a feeling that we might not know the out come for
> a couple of days at least, , weeks are a possibility
> Keith Arsenault

Your a positive thinker.  I think we are going to be lucky if the 
inauguration doesn't have to be postponed.  :-)

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:57:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Boyd Ostroff <ostroff [at] operaphilly.com>
Subject: Re: Jaxsan 600
In-Reply-To: <list-4872319 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0411020955570.17028 [at] maestro.operaphilly.com>
References: <list-4872319 [at] prxy.net>

We have always bought directly from the manufacturer:

Plastics Coating Corporation
PO Box 1068
St. Albans, WV 25177
304 755-9151 (voice)
304 755-0229 (fax)

Boyd Ostroff                          ooo      Opera Company of Philadelphia
Director of Design & Technology     ooooooo        1420 Locust St, Suite 210
ostroff [at] operaphilly.com             ooooooo           Philadelphia, PA 19102
http://tech.operaphilly.com           ooo                (215) 893-3600 x225


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References: <list-4867953 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <7AC8761E-2CE1-11D9-9F9A-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu>
Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Write only memory
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:11:32 -0700

Thanking you.


Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile


On Nov 1, 2004, at 7:18 PM, Kelly Kohls wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Have a look at the bottom of this website:
> http://www.ganssle.com/misc/wom.html.
>


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Message-Id: <34178870-2CE6-11D9-954C-003065864964 [at] nyu.edu>
From: Mike Voytko <mv35 [at] nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Febreeze scentstories
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:45:21 -0500

My best "scentstory" moment:

Listening to NPR in my car, while a commentator talked about the best 
cup of coffee he'd ever had. As he described the coffee's aroma at some 
length, I found I could smell it... I figured the guy was a really 
great storyteller, until I realized I had driven past the Melitta 
coffee roasting plant (in Cherry Hill, NJ) at that same time... :-)

--
Mike Voytko
Lighting & Sound Supervisor
TSOA Theatrical Production
New York University
<mike.voytko [at] nyu.edu>


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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:39:43 -0600
From: Mark Harvey <mharvey [at] d.umn.edu>
Subject: Digest Message Numbering
Message-ID: <779713.1099395582 [at] nomad52-246.d.umn.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-4871463 [at] prxy.net>
References:  <list-4871463 [at] prxy.net>

Would anyone else who takes Stagecraft as a digest appreciate having the 
messages numbered?  The messages are numbered in the index at the top of 
the page, but corresponding numbers do not appear in the body of the 
messages.  Message-Id is not information that is particularly helpful to 
me, but if it were possible, a Message Number would be a great time saver.

Thanks!

____________________________________
Mark Harvey
Associate Professor, Lighting and Sound Design
University of Minnesota Duluth
www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey

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Subject: RE: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:21:59 -0800
Message-ID: <407DF7D68DD30440B5CEB70ED234D1CF0316E25D [at] excuswa100.americas.unity>
From: "Cyr, Dale" <Dale.Cyr [at] getronics.com>

shawn:

can you share the method you used to do the calcs?

dale cyr
Training Supervisor
IATSE Local 93
Spokane Wa



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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Shawn
Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:54 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Bizarre Multiple Catastrophic Truss Failure


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<snip>
1.  I think they probably exceeded the allowable span for the load.
Extrapolating from the info on the load table as shown in the photo, the
allowable bending moment for this truss is apx. 8,100 lb.ft. to 8,400
lb.ft.
Say we use the average of 8,250 lb.ft. as the allowable value (note:  I
have
included the self weight of the truss in my calcs).  For a 65' span, the
allowable UNIFORM LIVE LOAD is about
9.1 pounds per foot.  This would give a TOTAL LOAD, UNIFORMLY
DISTRIBUTED of
591 pounds.  Even without accounting for the slenderness of the truss,
the
load is very close to the raw, theoretical capacity of the truss. =20
<snip>

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Message-ID: <000301c4c109$85152b40$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-4874758 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: ETC Express boards: internal battery?
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:26:50 -0800

Does anyone know if there's an internal battery in the Express series of 
boards to keep the clock running?  Specifically the 48/96?  I'm working with 
a place that has an 'old' one (old-style power connector, and didn't have 
the software update until I installed it) - and the clock resets to 12:00AM, 
Jan. 1, 2000 every time it's powered down.

Does anyone know what the battery is, if there is one?

     -- Jon Ares
Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts
www.hevanet.com/acreative
http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm 


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Message-ID: <41880371.33D50A04 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:00:17 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: ETC Express boards: internal battery?
References: <list-4874758 [at] prxy.net> <list-4874808 [at] prxy.net>



Jon Ares wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Does anyone know if there's an internal battery in the Express series of
> boards to keep the clock running?  Specifically the 48/96?  I'm working with
> a place that has an 'old' one (old-style power connector, and didn't have
> the software update until I installed it) - and the clock resets to 12:00AM,
> Jan. 1, 2000 every time it's powered down.
>
> Does anyone know what the battery is, if there is one?

    Have you looked at the manual and/or called ETC support?

    --Dale



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From: Noah Price <stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net>
Subject: Re: Digest Message Numbering
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:05:33 -0800


On Nov 2, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Mark Harvey wrote:

> Would anyone else who takes Stagecraft as a digest appreciate having 
> the messages numbered?  The messages are numbered in the index at the 
> top of the page, but corresponding numbers do not appear in the body 
> of the messages.  Message-Id is not information that is particularly 
> helpful to me, but if it were possible, a Message Number would be a 
> great time saver.

It's a popular request, but requires some new programming to customize 
the digests. It's definitely on the "to do" list!

Thanks,

Noah

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From: "Scott Boyle" <smboyle [at] cc.edu>
Subject: RE: Febreeze scentstories
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:41:57 -0600
Organization: Carroll College
Message-ID: <001801c4c135$8abf8050$73db688c [at] cc.edu>
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One of the first summer stock jobs my wife worked was in Clinton, Iowa.
In letters she would talk about never being hungry and during a visit I
found out why.  There was a Hormel dog food factory located basically
across the street from one of the main grocery stores in town.  You'd
get out of the car and any thought of food would quickly leave.

Scott M. Boyle



 



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