Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 4935634; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:00:44 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #188 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:00:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #188 1. Re Treb Challange by John Arrowsmith 2. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by "Stephen E. Rees" 3. UK Casual Pay comparison by "Joker7" 4. Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question by Stephen Litterst 5. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by Stephen Litterst 6. Re: Pointless Flats by Loren Schreiber 7. Re: Smoke pots by Loren Schreiber 8. Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question by "Wayne Rasmussen" 9. Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question by "Tony Deeming" 10. Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground by Jerry Durand 13. Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground by Charlie Richmond 14. Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 15. Re: Flat flats by Terry Price 16. Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question by "Mike Rock" 17. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by June Abernathy 18. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by Dale Farmer 19. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by Stuart Wheaton 20. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by Dale Farmer *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:52:27 +0000 From: John Arrowsmith Subject: Re Treb Challange References: In-Reply-To: >Not only have I wasted my time, I have passed it on to my associates >(and some students) so we will now waste their time, also. Even worse, I've passed it on to a few of my colleagues within UK Rock Challenge, which may SOUND quite appropriate, but ain't quite :)) John the OAP -- www.rockchallenge.co.uk, THE adrenaline-laden anti-smoking / anti- drunkenness anti-drugs-abuse performing-arts explosion that's got around 14,000 UK 11-to-18s hooked - they'll be on-stage / back-stage in 2005. ____________________________________________________________________________ This email and all attachments have been electronically scanned by Kingston Communications' email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418CD8AE.3050707 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:59:10 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) References:

Also have used heard it refereed to as the Panning Set Screw or Panning "Nut" (even tho it ain't a nut!). Steve > >> Embarrassingly enough, I need to know the term for the small bolt on a >> lighting instrument C-clamp that allows the rotation of the instrument >> (the one that _doesn't_ risk the bugger dropping out of its yoke). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c4c40a$5afeedb0$0100a8c0 [at] tricia> From: "Joker7" Subject: UK Casual Pay comparison Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:10:22 -0000 Hi, We have a bit of a pay dispute going on here at Southend Theatres so for academic prepossess I was wondering if we could do a pay comparison. Just casual not agents but casual employed (for a word) by the theatre and also what is expected of a casual, ie: multi skilled tech or humper ? 4.60 hour, we do get some TMA out , heavy rock & roll gigs Ł50 for the first truck (30 footers) and a tenner for any thing after that.So on a 3 truck rock out you could be there for 4/5 hours working your bull**ks off for Ł70 before tax. If it deemed not heavy you could do the same nights work for Ł18.40. Thanks Chris http://teaup.port5.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:17:16 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question In-reply-to: Message-id: <1546.172.201.194.87.1099754236.squirrel [at] 172.201.194.87> References:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Im not sure I follow a 100%, but is it that you have the drop go down > around > the a pipe back over the origainal batton then back down? For some reason > it > is not clicking right now. The way the batten clamps work is that you drap the drop over a loose pipe/batten at the appropriate height on the drop. The batten clamps then clamp onto this pipe, leaving just enough space for the drop to hang below the pipe. The batten clamps are then attached to your flying batten. The drop is only directly attached to the the suspended pipe. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) In-reply-to: Message-id: <1582.172.201.194.87.1099754425.squirrel [at] 172.201.194.87> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > Embarrassingly enough, I need to know the term for the small bolt on a > lighting instrument C-clamp that allows the rotation of the instrument > (the one that _doesn't_ risk the bugger dropping out of its yoke). You > know, the one that breaks off all the time: the f-nut. What's its > technical name, or the name they use for it in Catholic school, or > whatever? When I teach the proper terminology, I refer to that as the "pan adjust bolt." Also as "the bolt that shall never be loosened." In the theatre I use Dr. John's terminology. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20041106080302.03c86898 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:07:03 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Pointless Flats In-Reply-To: References: I recall building a miniature ox cart in 8th-grade woodshop--I've never built an ox cart since, but the skills I learned have proven useful over the years. I still have my students build a miniature muslin-covered flat, since it requires more joinery and is cheaper than a studio or Hollywood style flat. The point is learning skills that are transferable to other projects--not necessarily learning to build flats. The history lesson is just an added bonus. Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20041106080719.01f00f98 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:10:25 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Smoke pots In-Reply-To: References: I don't know if this will be useful, but I came up with a way to make a toaster smoke on cue: I simply put a fog juice soaked sponge up against the burner filaments. Since it is a resistive load, one could even control the output with a dimmer. It was pretty easy to vary the amount from nothing to full on "call the fire department." This won't help with the color issue, but lighting may be the solution there. Loren Schreiber, Director of Technology and Production School of Theatre, Television and Film, San Diego State University http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/schreibr/index.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c4c41c$9bc872f0$0617000a [at] blair.edu> From: "Wayne Rasmussen" Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:21:02 -0500 I'm lost. How can the drop go over any batten with lift lines attached? I can understand using batten clamps to attach around the pipe in the pipe pocket, and then being attached to a batten upstage of the drop. This is tripping. I don't think this is what you are trying to describe, but as I said, I'm lost. Wayne Rasmussen Blair Academy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c4c420$e42a9510$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:51:39 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Rasmussen" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm lost. How can the drop go over any batten with lift lines attached? > > I can understand using batten clamps to attach around the pipe in the pipe > pocket, and then being attached to a batten upstage of the drop. This is > tripping. I don't think this is what you are trying to describe, but as I > said, I'm lost. > > Wayne Rasmussen > Blair Academy > Ynot goes in search of pencil & paper..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:41:46 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question Message-id: <9a68e9bcd9.9bcd99a68e [at] ithaca.edu> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Rasmussen" > To: "Stagecraft" > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <" > target="l">http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>> --------------------- > ------------------------------ > > > > I'm lost. How can the drop go over any batten with lift lines > attached?> > > I can understand using batten clamps to attach around the pipe > in the pipe > > pocket, and then being attached to a batten upstage of the drop. > This is > > tripping. I don't think this is what you are trying to > describe, but as I > > said, I'm lost. > > > > Wayne Rasmussen > > Blair Academy I think the confusion comes in using the same term for two types of clamp. Think of the batten clamps as a giant set of pliers, where the pipe fits into the jaw of the pliers and the teeth hold onto the drop. We're not talking about tripping the drop. Let me try again... The drop is 10' too tall, as an example. You take a 60' pipe (not a batten) and drape the top ten feet of the drop over the pipe. The batten clamps now attach to this pipe like pliers. (or a dog carrying a bone). The clamps hold onto the pipe, without damaging the drop. The other end of the clamp (the one not holding the pipe) attaches to a house batten with chain and shackles. (appropriately rated). In effect, you're shortening the drop by 10' and hanging it below the house pipe. If this isn't clear by Monday, I'll mock something up in the theatre and see if we can get it posted on the Stagecraft site. Stephen Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College, Dept of Theatre Arts 607.274.34947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <13d.59ec11b.2ebe6e1e [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:12:46 EST Subject: Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground In a message dated 06/11/04 00:03:21 GMT Standard Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > Hmm, I also seem to be unable to work out where on earth you manage to get > 50A out of a1 500w dryer at 110v - I also get a figure of 12.5A max under > correct load! What are your engineering calculations here, Frank???? I've said it before, and I say it again. UK custom is to test earth bonds with a current of 25A. Given the lower US mains voltage and higher currents, doubling the UK figure seems right. Hair dryers have nothing to do with the question, apart from providing, in my view, an inadequate test. > > OK, you mention 'fault conditions' - what conditions exactly? The earth bond is there principally to ensure that a live-to-case fault will trip the fuse or breaker, fast. There is a time element in this, which depends on the detailed properties of the fuse or breaker. It also deals with higher resistance faults, by providing a path for leakage current, so that RCDs (GFCIs) will trip. It is an intricate subject. For instance, discrimination. If a 30mA/30mS RCD is fed from a fuse of lower rating than 30A, it is probable that the fise will go first. This may disconnect equipment which has nothing to do with the fault. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041106101923.025ad280 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:21:14 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground In-Reply-To: References: At 10:12 AM 11/6/2004, you wrote: >It also deals with higher >resistance faults, by providing a path for leakage current, so that RCDs >(GFCIs) will trip. It is an intricate subject. For instance, >discrimination. If a >30mA/30mS RCD is fed from a fuse of lower rating than 30A, it is probable >that >the fise will go first. >This may disconnect equipment which has nothing to do with the fault. There's another difference between here and there. Here the GFI (Ground Fault Interrupter) is almost always built into the actual outlet, the mains breaker is JUST a fuse. Over there, I believe your mains breakers have the ground fault trip built in. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:29:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Jerry Durand wrote: > There's another difference between here and there. Here the GFI (Ground > Fault Interrupter) is almost always built into the actual outlet, the mains Almost but not always... Charlie ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.58fc820.2ebe75d0 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:45:36 EST Subject: Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground In a message dated 06/11/04 18:22:08 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > There's another difference between here and there. Here the GFI (Ground > Fault Interrupter) is almost always built into the actual outlet, the mains > breaker is JUST a fuse. Over there, I believe your mains breakers have the > ground fault trip built in. Some do, some don't. It's not unusual for several outlets to be fed from one RCD, particularly those liable to be used by visiting 'musicians'. But our wiring practices are very different from yours. Our way is that all the outlets in a particular zone are fed in a ring connection, both ends of the ring coming together at a 30A fuse. Each appliance has an individual fuse in its plug, rated according to the appliance. These fuses are quite robust. I remember testing a 2KW HMI. This had been miswired, so that the secont part of the start sequence put on a full live-to-neutral short. This was in a temporary workshop, with multiple adapters everywhere. It took out the 40A breaker, and the 63A breaker behind that. The four 13A fuses in the plugs and adapters were unharmed. It's the time question, again. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:08:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Flat flats From: Terry Price Message-ID: In-Reply-To: KioqCj4gIFRob3NlIHdlcmUgdGhlICJnb29kIG9sZCBkYXlzIiBhbmQgSSBoYWQgbWFueSBhIHN0 dWRlbnQKPiAgYnVpbGQgYSBsaXR0bGUgZmxhdCBsaWtlIHRoYXQgZm9yIG1lLiBTb3JyeSwgSSBo YXZlIG5vdAo+ICByZWFkIHRoZSBvdGhlciBwb3N0aW5ncyBpbiB0aGlzIHRocmVhZCwgYnV0IGl0 IHN0cmlrZXMKPiAgbWUgdGhhdCBidWlsZGluZyBsaXR0bGUgbXVzbGluLWNvdmVyZWQgZmxhdHMg bWlnaHQgYmUKPiAgYW4gaW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgZXhjZXJjaXNlIGluIHRoZWF0cmUgaGlzdG9yeSBi dXQgb2YKPiAgbGl0dGxlIHByYWN0aWNhbCB2YWx1ZS4gRHVyaW5nIHRoZSBwYXN0IDEyIHllYXJz IChzaW5jZQo+ICBJIGxlZnQgYWNhZGVtaWEgd2hlcmUgd2UgYnVpbHQgbGl0dGxlIGZsYXRzKSB0 aGVyZSBoYXMKPiAgb25seSBiZWVuIG9uZSB0aW1lIHRoYXQgSSd2ZSBidWlsdCBzb2Z0IGNvdmVy ZWQgZmxhdAoKKioqCgpJIGhhdmVuwrl0IGJlZW4gZm9sbG93aW5nIHRoaXMgcGFydGljdWxhciB0 aHJlYWQgd2VsbCBlbm91Z2guCgpJIGFtIHRoZSBvZmZlbmRpbmcgcmVwcmVzZW50YXRpdmUgb2Yg YWNhZGVtaWEsIHdobyBnYXZlIHRoaXMgcGFydGljdWxhcgphc3NpZ25tZW50LiAoU2VhbiwgY2xv c2UgeW91ciBleWVzKSBBbGxvdyBtZSB0byBnaXZlIGEgYml0IG1vcmUgZGV0YWlsLCBhbmQKaW4g c28gZG9pbmcsIHByb2JhYmx5IGZ1ZWwgdGhlIGZpcmUuCgpUaGUgY3JpdGVyaWEgd2VyZSBzaW1w bHkgdGhpczogcmVzZWFyY2gsIGRldmVsb3AgYW5kIGJ1aWxkIGEgc2NlbmljIGVsZW1lbnQKdGhh dCBjb3VsZCBiZSB1c2VkIHRvIGNyZWF0ZSBhIHdhbGwuIEl0IHNob3VsZCBoYXZlIGEgaGFyZCBz dXJmYWNlLCBpdApzaG91bGQgYmUgZWFzeSB0byByaWcgaXQgdG8gZmx5IGFuZCBpdCBzaG91bGQg YmUgZWFzeSB0byBjb25uZWN0IGl0IHRvZ2V0aGVyCndpdGggYW5vdGhlciBvZiBpdHMga2luZCB0 byBtYWtlIGEgbGFyZ2VyIHN1cmZhY2UgLSBleHRyYSBwb2ludHMgaWYgaXQgY2FuCmJlIHNlcGFy YXRlZCBhbmQgcmUtam9pbmVkIHF1aWNrbHkuIFRoYXTCuXMgYWxsLCB0aGF0wrlzIGl0LiBUaGUg Y2hvaWNlIG9mCnNpemUgd2FzIHRvIGNvbnNlcnZlIG1hdGVyaWFscyBiZWNhdXNlIChleWVzIHN0 aWxsIGNsb3NlZCBTZWFuPykgdGhleSB3aWxsCmJlIHVzZWQgYnkgdGhlIGRlc2lnbiBjbGFzcyBm b3IgcGFpbnRpbmcgYW5kIHRoZW4gc3RvcmVkIGluIHRoZSB3b29kCmNoaXBwZXIuCgpJIHN1Z2dl c3RlZCB0aGUgY2xhc3MgbG9vayBvbiB0aGUgU3RhZ2VjcmFmdCBzaXRlIGZvciBpbnNwaXJhdGlv biBhbmQgU2VhbgpkaWQuIChTZWFuLCBleWVzIG9wZW4gbm93LikKClNvcnJ5IGZvciB0aGUgY29u ZnVzaW9uIC0gbm90IHN1cmUgaG93IHdlIGdvdCB0byBzb2Z0IGNvdmVyIGZsYXRzLCBhY2FkZW1p YQphbmQgdGhlIHJlYWwgd29ybGQgb3V0c2lkZSBhY2FkZW1pYcK5cyBnYXRlcy4gKEJUVywgSSBz dXNwZWN0IHRoYXQgbW9zdAppbnNpZGUgdGhlIGhhbGxvd2VkIHdhbGxzIG9mIGFjYWRlbWlhIGhh dmVuJ3QgYnVpbHQgYSBzb2Z0IGNvdmVyIGZsYXQgaW4KZGVjYWRlcyBhcyB3ZWxsLikKClRlbnRh dGl2ZSBzaWcuOgpUZXJyeSBQcmljZQpUZXhhcyBMdXRoZXJhbiBVbml2ZXJzaXR5CihObyBBZGRp dGlvbmFsIENvbnRhY3QgSW5mbyBBdmFpbGFibGUgYXQgdGhpcyBKdW5jdHVyZSkKCgoKVGhpcyBt ZXNzYWdlIHdhcyBjb250ZW50IHNjYW5uZWQgYnkgdGhlIFRMVSBNY0FmZWUgV2Vic2hpZWxkLgo= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4c45f$18e36730$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Drop shrinker/hardware question Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:16:58 -0600 And the clouds blow away and it becomes clear. Thank you. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20041107044511.83160.qmail [at] web14104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:45:11 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) The safest term that I have heard is "Pan Bolt". However, a LOT of people avoid using that bolt at all, since it is so easy to break, and loosen the large bolt in the base of the C-clamp to pan the lamp. Of course, you can drop the lamp if you loosen it too much, and sometimes it's a difficult reach. This situation is often skirted around by putting either a lock washer (one with a cut in one side)or a teflon or nylon washer between the head of the large bolt and the yoke of the lamp. With one of these in place the large bolt can be left relatively snug, but you can still adjust the pan by hand without really needing a wrench at all. If you want to cover the use of the "pan bolt", I would suggest using the term "snug" rather than "tightened with all the strength that my arm and an 8" crescent wrench can offer" for how tight it needs to be. This will reduce the number of broken bolts and/or times when you feel the desperate need to use bad language. Many houses actually issue little "mega-wrenches" that fit in the palm of your hand for students to use for focus, to avoid the overtightening problem. That may be a little extreme, but it's worth mentioning to new focusers that all the bolts just need to be "snug" - no reason to hole the pipe, bend the bolts, or whatever, in a misplaced attempt at firmness or safety. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418DB0EA.692C49F3 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:21:47 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) References: June Abernathy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The safest term that I have heard is "Pan Bolt". > > However, a LOT of people avoid using that bolt at all, > since it is so easy to break, and loosen the large > bolt in the base of the C-clamp to pan the lamp. Of > course, you can drop the lamp if you loosen it too > much, and sometimes it's a difficult reach. > > This situation is often skirted around by putting > either a lock washer (one with a cut in one side)or a > teflon or nylon washer between the head of the large > bolt and the yoke of the lamp. With one of these in > place the large bolt can be left relatively snug, but > you can still adjust the pan by hand without really > needing a wrench at all. > > If you want to cover the use of the "pan bolt", I > would suggest using the term "snug" rather than > "tightened with all the strength that my arm and an 8" > crescent wrench can offer" for how tight it needs to > be. This will reduce the number of broken bolts and/or > times when you feel the desperate need to use bad > language. > > Many houses actually issue little "mega-wrenches" that > fit in the palm of your hand for students to use for > focus, to avoid the overtightening problem. That may > be a little extreme, but it's worth mentioning to new > focusers that all the bolts just need to be "snug" - > no reason to hole the pipe, bend the bolts, or > whatever, in a misplaced attempt at firmness or > safety. > > June Abernathy > IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) > FOH Electrician > The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) One place I was at actually had replaced all those square head screws with ( I don't know the proper term ) a wing nut shaped head on the screw. This allowed one to use the nut as designed but only needing your fingers. This was done, I was told, after a series of lights having fallen due to lazy technicians failing to retighten the larger bolt attaching the clamp to the U frame. Anyone caught messing with the attaching bolt on a instrument in the air was kicked off the job. This venue's experience is also why I like to attach the safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece holding the instrument. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418DB3C1.7040506 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:33:53 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) References:

In-Reply-To: Dale Farmer wrote: This venue's experience is also why I like to attach the > safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece holding the instrument. > > --Dale Um....Dale, The yoke (u-shaped piece) will stay attached to the light, just the c-clamp stays hooked to the pipe in the failure that was described. For the light to seperate from the yoke, both the tilt bolts would have to fall out. Long before that happened, the light should drop focus so badly as to require attention. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418DB65D.5B51DFBC [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:45:01 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) References:

Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dale Farmer wrote: > This venue's experience is also why I like to attach the > > safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece holding the instrument. > > > > --Dale > > Um....Dale, The yoke (u-shaped piece) will stay attached > to the light, just the c-clamp stays hooked to the pipe in > the failure that was described. For the light to seperate > from the yoke, both the tilt bolts would have to fall out. > Long before that happened, the light should drop focus so > badly as to require attention. > > Stuart The lights falling out of the yoke ( thanks for reminding me of the correct term, not very awake now, switching back to days from a week of overnight shifts. ) were due to the same lazy techs who would overtighten the tilt bolts, sometimes snapping them off, and then leaving the light hanging by the other one, which eventually snapped off. It was not a happy place to work when I was there, and I don't expect to ever go to that place again, having moved to another state. --Dale ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #188 *****************************