Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 4951247; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:00:58 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #189 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:00:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #189 1. Re: Smoke pots by "Stephen E. Rees" 2. Re: Questionable Terminology by Danielle Maul 3. Re: Building Flats by "Paul Guncheon" 4. Re: Flat flats by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 5. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 6. Re: Building Flats by Scott Parker 7. Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground by Greg Bierly 8. UK Casual Pay comparison by CB 9. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by "Jon Ares" 10. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by Michael Feinberg 11. Re: UK Casual Pay comparison by "Joker7" 12. Re: Building Flats by MissWisc [at] aol.com 13. Re: Building Flats by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 14. Re: Building Flats by "Scott Boyle" 15. Re: Building Flats by "Immel,Patrick" 16. by "danbutcher [at] britishlibrary.net" 17. Roadie Vests by "danbutcher [at] britishlibrary.net" 18. Re: Smoke pots by "Kacy Woody" 19. Re: Roadie Vests by Michael Heinicke 20. WYSIWYG by "Chad Croteau" 21. Re: Roadie Vests by Stuart Wheaton 22. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by David Duffy 23. Re: Building Flats by "Mike Rock" 24. Re: Roadie Vests by Dale Farmer 25. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Roadie Vests by Tony Miller 29. Re: WYSIWYG by "Chris Warner" 30. Re: Questionable Terminology by June Abernathy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <418E24E4.4050601 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:36:36 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Smoke pots References: Loren, I've actually accomplished this effect using frosted Pop-Tarts. The Smell-o-vision is a bonus! :) Steve Loren Schreiber wrote: > I don't know if this will be useful, but I came up with a way to make a > toaster smoke on cue: ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:03:09 -0500 From: Danielle Maul Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology Hi all- Actually, "the set screw on the clamp" is exactly what I call it when not using the unacceptable terms. At 3:01 AM -0800 11/6/04, Stagecraft wrote: >Well, if you wanted to buy a replacement for one of those bolts from >a hardware store, you'd be looking for a "square head set screw," but >I don't think I've ever heard anyone call it that in a theatre. But >"set screw" is probably a reasonably innocent but still descriptive >name for it. > >-- >-Michael Feinberg, CTS -- ------- Danielle Maul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c4c4da$601acbe0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Building Flats Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:59:25 -1000 <> I do not consider theatrical style flats cheaper in that they take much longer to build. I do think that theatre carps should know how to build them... just another crayon in the box, but they should definitely not be held to be "the" way to build a flat. One does not learn the extremely valuable lesson that the skin "squares" the frame or determines it shape when building a theatrical style flat. Methinks stretched canvas is not used so much as theatre design is not so much about painting anymore. Laters, Paul "Here's your dog back!" cried Tom petulantly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A0A01A7 [at] UCMAIL4> From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Flat flats Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:07:14 -0500 I find that there are those occasions where a soft covered flat serves = very nicely. Not often, but I would not eliminate it completely from our = arsenal of possible solutions. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati Sorry for the confusion - not sure how we got to soft cover flats, = academia and the real world outside academia=B9s gates. (BTW, I suspect that = most inside the hallowed walls of academia haven't built a soft cover flat = in decades as well.) Tentative sig.: Terry Price Texas Lutheran University (No Additional Contact Info Available at this Juncture) This message was content scanned by the TLU McAfee Webshield. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A0A01AC [at] UCMAIL4> From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:15:08 -0500 And the little screw type thing that looks like a wing nut is probably a thumb screw. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati Dale Farmer wrote: This venue's experience is also why I like to attach the > safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece holding the instrument. > > --Dale Um....Dale, The yoke (u-shaped piece) will stay attached to the light, just the c-clamp stays hooked to the pipe in the failure that was described. For the light to seperate from the yoke, both the tilt bolts would have to fall out. Long before that happened, the light should drop focus so badly as to require attention. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c99804110708286b964eb9 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:28:08 -0500 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: Building Flats In-Reply-To: References: Size would also have to be included when figuring time and cost. I agree that it can be faster to build hard covered flats that same size as the covering material. However, when building very large flats, this changes. The last time I built a portal, it involved 4 6x12 flats and another 2 6x14' flats. Building the framing for each and then covering the whole thing with a large piece of muslin was very quick indeed. My cost of supplies is about that same between hard & soft. Scott On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:59:25 -1000, Paul Guncheon > I do not consider theatrical style flats cheaper in that they take much > longer to build. -- Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:47:26 -0500 > Hmm, I also seem to be unable to work out where on earth you manage to > get > 50A out of a1 500w dryer at 110v - I also get a figure of 12.5A max > under > correct load! What are your engineering calculations here, Frank???? > You have to go back to the original posts. I had to reread them to fully understand what he was getting at. He was responding to a post that discussed using a hairdryer essentially as a continuity tester under load. Frank's reply suggested (not in these words) that a hairdryer is not a large enough load, and that a 25 amp load would be better suited and should be upped to a 50 amp load in the US due to lower voltage. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041107103929.01973630 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:39:29 From: CB Subject: UK Casual Pay comparison >4.60 hour, we do get some TMA out , heavy rock & roll gigs =A350 for the= first >truck (30 footers) and a tenner for any thing after that.So on a 3 truck >rock out you could be there for 4/5 hours working your bull**ks off for =A3= 70 >before tax. Uhm, I'm a bit in search of a noun or a vowel or something, but I'm guessing that you normally get 4.60 and hour. I don't see how it relates to the fifty quid for a thirty footer, or ten for the next truck, though, or the 18.40 for light work. Anyhoo, at 4.60 an hour, "Hump this gear" is the most complicated set of instructions you should be expected to= understand. How many of you are there on the deck for a thirty footer? We've packed three fifty-three footers in four and a half hours, and I don't think that it was particularly record setting pace. There were, however, probably fifty of us or so. Here in Tucson, IA crew get something like $12 or 13 and hour, with a buck or three more for loaders, riggers and or dept heads. When I do IA work, I consider it a paid workout/visit with old chums. I normally start at $350 a day, and get that minimum for loadouts, ins, driving the truck, or other grunt work. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c4c4f1$83c82170$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:45:04 -0800 > And the little screw type thing that looks like a wing nut is probably a > thumb screw. I dearly love the T-handles the Colortran fixtures ship on their clamps... I'm seriously considering purchasing them for my entire inventory of new fixtures when my new theatres are built. I have heard of at least one consultant spec'ing the Colortran handles on all fixtures (regardless of brand) on more than one job. Wish I'd thought of that when my consultants were putting the bid package together. Does anyone know of a manufacturer for such things, other than ordering the Colortran-branded ones? -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm PS: I too call them 'set screws' in appropriate company. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:12:02 -0500 From: Michael Feinberg Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) >I dearly love the T-handles the Colortran fixtures ship on their >clamps... I'm seriously considering purchasing them for my entire >inventory of new fixtures when my new theatres are built. I have >heard of at least one consultant spec'ing the Colortran handles on >all fixtures (regardless of brand) on more than one job. Wish I'd >thought of that when my consultants were putting the bid package >together. Does anyone know of a manufacturer for such things, other >than ordering the Colortran-branded ones? Any woodworking or industrial supplier will carry a wide range of handles on threaded shafts (knobs) for making your own jigs or repairing machinery. The McMaster-Carr catalog has pages of them (2015-2018) http://www.mcmaster.com and then type the page number or part into the search field. Part 65035K72 looks to be roughly equivalent to the colortran handle (though it might be a little large) and is only $1.02 for a single piece, less in quantity. I think I like 59625K78 though, which has a star shaped polypropylene knob (which will keep people from using altman star wrenches to overtorque it) and is only $0.61. -- -Michael Feinberg, CTS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003201c4c4f8$63f1a1d0$0100a8c0 [at] tricia> From: "Joker7" References: Subject: Re: UK Casual Pay comparison Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:34:17 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: UK Casual Pay comparison For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >4.60 hour, we do get some TMA out , heavy rock & roll gigs £50 for the first >truck (30 footers) and a tenner for any thing after that.So on a 3 truck >rock out you could be there for 4/5 hours working your bull**ks off for £70 >before tax. Uhm, I'm a bit in search of a noun or a vowel or something, but I'm guessing that you normally get 4.60 and hour. I don't see how it relates to the fifty quid for a thirty footer, or ten for the next truck, though, or the 18.40 for light work. Anyhoo, at 4.60 an hour, "Hump this gear" is the most complicated set of instructions you should be expected to understand. How many of you are there on the deck for a thirty footer? We've packed three fifty-three footers in four and a half hours, and I don't think that it was particularly record setting pace. There were, however, probably fifty of us or so. Here in Tucson, IA crew get something like $12 or 13 and hour, with a buck or three more for loaders, riggers and or dept heads. When I do IA work, I consider it a paid workout/visit with old chums. I normally start at $350 a day, and get that minimum for loadouts, ins, driving the truck, or other grunt work. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ I should have said 30 footer upwards, as for how many on the back of the truck that's down to incoming company not theatre.It could be anything from 4 upto ? For the £4.60 the theatre want multi skilled techs but ends-up with lots of stage weights.The casual have to be able to do what ever is asked, rig lx/sound/ focus/programme/ect. With an in coming show its the casuals who would see you from the in to the out, and be expected to do virtually any work asked. Chris ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <159.436dc756.2ebfc906 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:52:54 EST Subject: Re: Re: Building Flats paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net wrote: <> For typical professional settings where it's built by union labor and then trashed, you're absolutly correct. But if you are in a situation where they are reused, they become VERY economical. And in this case, it's an for educational setting. Having a student build a flat - especially one of a smaller size - teaches more than just "how to build it". There's *measuring and adjusting measurements to scale, *use of the necessary hand and power tools, *selecting and using the right hardware, *learning about wood types/ grain direction/ what kind to use when, *understanding the weave of fabric and how it shrinks, *use of brushes to paint/flame-retard, and so on ... I've done this with great success and let the kids keep the flat as a momento/portfolio piece. Think of it as a "sampler" where they learn how to paint a base coat, splatter, dry brush, rag roll, etc. It gives them something tangable to show their parents and all those skills transfer to other aspects of theatre arts. The fact many of us grew up with a hammer and screwdriver in hand doesn't mean most students have. I find that MANY of them are clueless of where to start. A local hardware store (with very patient, pre-trained staff) helps them slect the materials as part of a scavenger hunt. I have seen traditional flats used in professional level shows - typically in rep theatres. They don't tour well and so logically aren't used there. Sometimes the purpose is to put on a show, sometimes it is to educate. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0A0A01C7 [at] UCMAIL4> From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Building Flats Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:07:09 -0500 We build and use theatrical, Hollywood, steel frame and few other iterations. We hard cover, soft cover, foam cover (for carving). It all depends on what the show needs, the designer wants and the budget allows. Sometimes we just find new products and experiment. There is no one answer. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: MissWisc [at] aol.com [mailto:MissWisc [at] aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Building Flats For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have seen traditional flats used in professional level shows - typically in rep theatres. They don't tour well and so logically aren't used there. Sometimes the purpose is to put on a show, sometimes it is to educate. Kristi ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scott Boyle" Subject: RE: Building Flats Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:11:00 -0600 Organization: Carroll College Message-ID: <000001c4c4fd$84d666b0$73db688c [at] cc.edu> In-Reply-To: Kristi wrote: >>I have seen traditional flats used in professional level shows - typically in rep theatres. They don't tour well and so logically aren't used there.<< A couple of years ago I had to build an entire set using soft covered flats. We were doing "Dames at Sea" and given our limited ability to fly and store act two's scenery off stage, the designer specified all of the scenery be soft covered flats stored against the back wall of the stage during act one. The interns and carpenters I was working with had never worked with these to this extent and got quite an education in the process. Scott ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE390237E286D [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: RE: Building Flats Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:23:08 -0600 > -----Original Message----- > From: MissWisc [at] aol.com [mailto:MissWisc [at] aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:53 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Building Flats > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > I've done this with great success and let the kids keep the > flat as a momento/portfolio piece. Think of it as a "sampler" > where they learn how to paint a base coat, splatter, dry > brush, rag roll, etc. It gives them something tangable to > show their parents and all those skills transfer to other > aspects of theatre arts. > I have my students build a small flat like this them have them bring in their favorite CD and they then paint it on the flat. The only CD's I've had to turn away were the Beatles "White Album" and Spinal Tap's "Smell the Glove"! Pat Immel Northwest Missouri State University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <275130-220041107201325255 [at] M2W083.mail2web.com> Reply-To: danbutcher [at] ukpc.net From: "danbutcher [at] britishlibrary.net" Subject: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:13:25 -0500 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9660-220041107201815451 [at] M2W089.mail2web.com> Reply-To: danbutcher [at] ukpc.net From: "danbutcher [at] britishlibrary.net" Subject: Roadie Vests Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:18:15 -0500 Hi there, Does anyoneone know where you can get a plain black (with possible a littl= e logo) roadie vest? (picture at ) HK Audio sell= them, apparantly but I can't find it in their webshop=2E Ideally I would like on= e from the UK, but may have to mail/internet order from the USA=2E How much = do you expect to pay for one? (HKs go for =8032ish / =A324ish if you can find= them) I would like a cheapish one, but not one that falls apart quickly=2E= Thanks in advance Dan Butcher Just about everything everywhere=2E=2E=2Eexcept actie -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ------------------------------ From: "Kacy Woody" Subject: RE: Smoke pots Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:39:09 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: If you want a really low-tech approach to the puff of colored stuff, howabout rigging up a bit of chalk in a pot with a tube and bulb. You squeeze the bulb and a burst of air puffs the chalk out. You just have to sweep up the dust after. (I was a props mistress in a former life...) -- "Don't try this at home..... I'm a trained professional idiot." Kacy Woody TD, High Point Theatre 336-883-8523 kacy.woody [at] ci.high-point.nc.us ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20041107205505.29461.qmail [at] web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Roadie Vests Cc: danbutcher [at] ukpc.net In-Reply-To: Hi there, > Does anyoneone know where you can get a plain black > (with possible a little > logo) roadie vest? (picture at > > ) HK Audio sell them, > apparantly but I can't find it in their webshop. In the US, you can buy generic vests at many military surplus or camping stores. Take a look at www.uscav.com or www.actiongear.com for several different styles. Mike H ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c4c50b$c902c2d0$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" Subject: WYSIWYG Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:53:05 -0500 Hi Everyone! I'm doing a lighting plot for the first time in WYSIWYG. So far, the experience has been pretty good. However, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out with a couple things things that have been giving me a hard time. The first has to do with symbol keys. Does WYSIWYG have a feature that automatically builds a symbol key, or do I have to do that manually? Second, I've been looking around, but I can't seem to figure out how to create a border around the edge of my page. I'm probably missing something obvious, but I've gone through the menu options several times and I guess I've missed it. Anyway, any help that anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Chad ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418E8DF5.6020202 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:04:53 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Roadie Vests References: In-Reply-To: Michael Heinicke wrote: > Hi there, > >>Does anyoneone know where you can get a plain black >>(with possible a little >>logo) roadie vest? (picture at >> >>) HK Audio sell them, >>apparantly but I can't find it in their webshop. Just googled "UK tactical vests" Got a bunch of hits. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418E8D38.9090205 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:01:44 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) References: In-Reply-To: Maybe it's called a "wing bolt"? David... Waxler, Steve (waxlers) wrote: >And the little screw type thing that looks like a wing nut is probably a >thumb screw. > > > >>safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece holding the instrument. >> >> --Dale >> >> > >Um....Dale, The yoke (u-shaped piece) will stay attached >to the light, just the c-clamp stays hooked to the pipe in >the failure that was described. For the light to seperate >from the yoke, both the tilt bolts would have to fall out. >Long before that happened, the light should drop focus so >badly as to require attention. > >Stuart > > -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L U8, 9-11 Trade St, Cleveland 4163 Australia Ph: +61 7 38210362 Fax: +61 7 38210281 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c4c516$49bf9060$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: Building Flats Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:08:18 -0600 > The fact many of us grew up with a hammer and screwdriver in hand doesn't > mean most students have. I find that MANY of them are clueless of where to start. I once saw some one hammering a screw, when told it was a screw he replied "you have to get them started somehow" This student was taken under my wing for the rest of the week. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <418EA2ED.EA18176C [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:34:22 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Roadie Vests References: "danbutcher [at] britishlibrary.net" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi there, > Does anyoneone know where you can get a plain black (with possible a little > logo) roadie vest? (picture at > ) HK Audio sell them, > apparantly but I can't find it in their webshop. Ideally I would like one > from the UK, but may have to mail/internet order from the USA. How much do > you expect to pay for one? (HKs go for €32ish / £24ish if you can find > them) I would like a cheapish one, but not one that falls apart quickly. > > Thanks in advance > > Dan Butcher > Just about everything everywhere...except actie If you want to go upscale, try LL Bean or Bannana Republic. --Dale ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <13e.5ac170e.2ec0061d [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:13:33 EST Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) In a message dated 07/11/04 05:21:57 GMT Standard Time, dale [at] cybercom.net writes: > One place I was at actually had replaced all those square head > screws with ( I don't know the proper term ) a wing nut shaped > head on the screw. This allowed one to use the nut as designed > but only needing your fingers. This was done, I was told, after a > series of lights having fallen due to lazy technicians failing to retighten > the larger bolt attaching the clamp to the U frame. Anyone caught > messing with the attaching bolt on a instrument in the air was kicked > off the job. This venue's experience is also why I like to attach the > safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece holding the instrume This all sounds like good advice, particularly the bit about attaching safety cables to the instruments. If, of course, the manufacturers have provided attachment points. But, it also reinforces my opinion on the superiority of the UK system. There is one wing bolt to secure the clamp, of mild steel, to the bar, and one wing nut to secure the instrument to the clamp. That's all. No wrenches, just fingers, and it works. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:18:30 EST Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology (nothing to do with grounds) In a message dated 07/11/04 16:15:41 GMT Standard Time, WAXLERS [at] UCMAIL.UC.EDU writes: > And the little screw type thing that looks like a wing nut is probably a > thumb screw. UK terminology calls it a 'wing bolt'. It seems logical. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <102.5363833b.2ec007df [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:21:03 EST Subject: Re: Ground Terminology: was cold water ground In a message dated 07/11/04 16:48:13 GMT Standard Time, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: > You have to go back to the original posts. I had to reread them to > fully understand what he was getting at. He was responding to a post > that discussed using a hairdryer essentially as a continuity tester > under load. Frank's reply suggested (not in these words) that a > hairdryer is not a large enough load, and that a 25 amp load would be > better suited and should be upped to a 50 amp load in the US due to > lower voltage. Exactly so. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:19:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Roadie Vests From: Tony Miller Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Hi there, > Does anyoneone know where you can get a plain black (with possible a litt= le > logo) roadie vest? (picture at > ) HK Audio sell them= , > apparantly but I can't find it in their webshop. Ideally I would like one > from the UK, but may have to mail/internet order from the USA. How much d= o > you expect to pay for one? (HKs go for =8032ish / =A324ish if you can find > them) I would like a cheapish one, but not one that falls apart quickly. >=20 > Thanks in advance >=20 > Dan Butcher Have a look in angling shops for a cheap one. I have seen good quality ones ideal for the purpose in the fishing shop down the road to me. Tony Miller. =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007901c4c53f$c487c460$6501a8c0 [at] chris> From: "Chris Warner" References: Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:05:14 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Croteau" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: WYSIWYG > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Everyone! > > I'm doing a lighting plot for the first time in WYSIWYG. So far, the > experience has been pretty good. However, I was wondering if someone might > be able to help me out with a couple things things that have been giving me > a hard time. The first has to do with symbol keys. Does WYSIWYG have a > feature that automatically builds a symbol key, or do I have to do that > manually? Second, I've been looking around, but I can't seem to figure out > how to create a border around the edge of my page. I'm probably missing > something obvious, but I've gone through the menu options several times and > I guess I've missed it. > > Anyway, any help that anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks! > > Chad YES Wysiwyg has a key feature built into it. You get to it throught the presentation function. It's the same place you build a new lighting plot as well. Hope that Helps Chris ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20041108060910.84860.qmail [at] web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:09:10 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Questionable Terminology > One place I was at actually had replaced all >those square head screws with ( I don't know the >proper term ) a wing nut shaped head on the screw. >This allowed one to use the nut as designed >but only needing your fingers. This was done, I was >told, after a series of lights having fallen due to >lazy technicians failing to retighten >the larger bolt attaching the clamp to the U frame. >Anyone caught messing with the attaching bolt on a >instrument in the air was kicked off the job. I've seen the "Pan Bolts" with handles or wing nuts attached to them. I can understand the usefulness there, if someone wants to go to the time and expense. They do sometimes get in the way, but a small price to pay for added speed and convenience. And less broken bolts. However, forbidding technicians to touch the large bolt is silly. Impressing the importance of snugging those bolts down once the unit is in focus, I'm all for. On a unit attached to a sidearm with a T-nut, or to a piece of unistrut with a unistrut bolt, that nut is the ONLY way to adjust the pan. Forbidding standard focus practice because some of the techs in your hall have followed unsafe procedures sound silly to me. >This venue's experience is also why I like to attach >the safety cable to the instrument, not the U piece >holding the instrument. As someone else mentioned, this is apples and oranges. A safety attached to the yoke would hold in the case of a loose bolt on a C-lamp. >The lights falling out of the yoke were due to >the same lazy techs who would overtighten the tilt >bolts, sometimes snapping them off, and then leaving >the light hanging by the other one, which eventually >snapped off. Well, that isn't a product of laziness, that is a product of incompetence and stupidity. It also leads me to wonder whether the instruments in question had locking handles on the yoke, which would prevent a tech from having to try to lock off the tilt with the bolts. IMO, it is, absolutely, worth the money, time, and effort to install at least one of these on each lamp. >It was not a happy place to work when I was there, >and I don't expect to ever go to that place again, >having moved to another state. > --Dale I can certainly understand that, but I would hardly base my focusing technique or ideas about the proper placement of a safety cable on such a venue. They are not doing things properly. Their techs need better training and oversight. Not a model place, IMO, and, I guess, yours. June Abernathy IATSE #321 FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #189 *****************************