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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #201

 1. Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #200
    by Mary Davis <mdavis [at] cascadelight.com>
 2. Has anyone worked with Skyway in Orlando?
    by "Paul H. Sullivan" <phsullivan [at] yahoo.com>
 3. Re: RJ45 and DMX512
    by "Joe Golden" <Joe [at] elslights.com>
 4. Re: maintenance
    by "Karl G. Ruling" <kruling [at] esta.org>
 5. Re: maintenance
    by Kyle Dugger <kmdugger [at] earthlink.net>
 6. lighting Control
    by Kyle Dugger <kmdugger [at] earthlink.net>
 7. Re: lighting Control
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 8. Re: RJ45 and DMX512
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 9. Re: RJ45 and DMX512
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
10. Re: RJ45 and DMX512
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
11. Re: RJ45 and DMX512
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
12. Re: RJ45 and DMX512
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
13. Re: lighting Control
    by Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
14. HazMat Books
    by "Michael S. Eddy" <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
15. USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
16. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
17. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
18. Re: HazMat Books
    by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>

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Message-ID: <93EF15B08F7DD611B4E700C09F06B9BC15A88F [at] dog.cascadelight.local>
From: Mary Davis <mdavis [at] cascadelight.com>
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Stagecraft Digest #200
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:02:28 -0800

I am out of the office. Please contact Doug Oppedal (for commercial
projects) or Scyller Borglum (for residential projects).

Thank you

Mary Davis
Cascade Lighting Representatives


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Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041119093659.00b54760 [at] pop.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:49:39 -0500
From: "Paul H. Sullivan" <phsullivan [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Has anyone worked with Skyway in Orlando?
In-Reply-To: <list-5034807 [at] prxy.net>



Greetings all;
Has anyone worked with Skyway of Orlando?  Were in the process of planning 
a major event involving a LOT of decking and I'm looking for any feedback 
on this company.  You can reply to me directly off list if you desire.  Any 
other recommendations of other folks that have done over-seat decking are 
also appreciated.

Thanks




The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.
Albert Einstein 


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Subject: RE: RJ45 and DMX512
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:39:33 -0800
Message-ID: <FCDE18CF571244479E0A078AE596BADC1E3858 [at] els02.elslights.com>
From: "Joe Golden" <Joe [at] elslights.com>

In our rental inventory we have that connector for all of our long
lengths of CAT5 cable that is used for Ethernet with some of the newer
consoles, like the Hog 3, GrandMA and MAXXYZ which all use some type of
Ethernet to move 8+ universes of DMX on one cable.  The XLR style back
shell keeps the ends from snagging and the little lock tab from breaking
and letting the RJ45 from slipping out from the jack.  We have switches
and barrels that the Ethercon will fit.  We only use this for Ethernet,
NOT DMX.  I have more info on heavy duty types of wire for this use if
anyone is interested.

Joe Golden
Entertainment Lighting Services


>=20
> Loren has found some RJ-45 that look like XLR's   They look pretty=20
> bulletproof.
>=20
>

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From: "Karl G. Ruling" <kruling [at] esta.org>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:54:59 -0500
Subject: Re: maintenance
Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org
Message-ID: <419DD103.28709.654B94 [at] localhost>
In-reply-to: <list-5039264 [at] prxy.net>

> > Ah.... So if I understand you correctly, if we peruse the fuse, 
> >  breaker, and SCR properties, dead shorts are no problem and
> >  regularly scheduled equipment maintenance might not be helpful. Do
> >  you recommend a regular schedule of fuse, breaker, and SCR property
> >  perusal, or do you feel a once-in-a-lifetime perusal would be 
> >  enough? 
> 
> You understand me correctly. If the installation has been properly
> designed, a dead short at the load should cause no serious pronlems. A
> new fuse, reset the breaker, that's all that should be needed.
> 

I understood you, but you didn't understand me. You missed the forest 
by staring at one tree. 

My somewhat ironic comment was about the need for regular 
maintenance. We have an expression, "If it ain't broke, don't fix 
it." Unfortunately, this too often means that nothing is maintained 
until it is broken. Dead shorts that blow SCRs are one problem that 
arises from lack of maintenance, but there are other hazards that 
follow from no maintenance, and the light output of a luminaire that 
isn't tended until its broken also tends to be pretty poor. 
Furthermore, it's a pretty expensive waste of time to have to fix 
equipment on the spur of the moment because you need it NOW.  
Nevertheless, often no maintence until something's broken is standard 
operating procedure. It shouldn't be.

Sure, theoretically one can design an SCR dimmer to survive a dead 
short on the end of the load circuit. You do this by having very fast-
acting over-current protection (e.g. silver sand fuses that cost more 
than the SCR), grossly over-sizing the SCRs (expensive), and/or 
adding resistance to the system to limit the fault current 
(inefficient). Several decades ago I stood in a dimmer room and 
listened to an Electro Controls engineer complain about the salesmen 
who sold systems with "short-circuit-proof" dimmers and who then came 
back with the order and expected the engineers to actually design 
such a thing, the factory to build it, and the company to make a 
profit now that the price had been set and the sale made. 

That was decades ago. Now I never hear an SCR dimmer salesman claim 
to have a short-circuit-proof dimmer. The only sales people making 
such claims are selling dimmers that use IGBTs or MOSFETs for power 
devices. These devices can be shut off at any time; SCRs (unless some 
really extraordinary reverse commutation circuitry is used) are 
generally condemned to carry the fault current for at least the 
remainder of the half-cycle. A male connector with a piece of wire 
running between the hot and neutral pins is usually used to show that 
an IGBT or MOSET dimmer is short-circuit-proof. The salesman plugs it 
directly into the output of the dimmer, and it shuts off. The 
salesman unplugs it, and the dimmer turns back on. I haven't seen any 
SCR dimmer salesman try this. Of course, dimmers that use IGBTs and 
MOSETs usually cost more than SCR dimmers, but they have other 
advantages, besides being short-circuit-proof, that may make them a 
better choice for some applications.  

I know of no sales person or dimmer manufacturer that would argue 
that short-circuit-proof dimmers obviate the need for regular 
equipment maintenance. 


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Message-ID: <11213258.1100888288642.JavaMail.root [at] daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:18:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Kyle Dugger <kmdugger [at] earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Kyle Dugger <kmdugger [at] earthlink.net>
Cc: kruling [at] esta.org
Subject: Re: maintenance





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Message-ID: <5048155.1100888620798.JavaMail.root [at] daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:23:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Kyle Dugger <kmdugger [at] earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Kyle Dugger <kmdugger [at] earthlink.net>
Subject: lighting Control

I am looking for systems that control lighting systems using wall stations.  I have used the Unison System from ETC but I am looking at a new install and I am wanting to see what all is out there.  If any of you have any recomendations or pros and cons of other units I would greatly appreciated hearing about them.

kyle



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Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041119102807.02a03a88 [at] localhost>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:33:00 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: lighting Control
In-Reply-To: <list-5052981 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-5052981 [at] prxy.net>

At 10:23 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote:
>I am looking for systems that control lighting systems using wall 
>stations.  I have used the Unison System from ETC but I am looking at a 
>new install and I am wanting to see what all is out there.  If any of you 
>have any recomendations or pros and cons of other units I would greatly 
>appreciated hearing about them.

Depending on how complicated you want to get (as in what lights are being 
controlled and such), one current popular standard is DALI.  You can get 
control panels and fixtures from any of the known architectural lighting 
companies.  By definition it only controls florescent lights, up to 64 
fixtures per control panel.

Of course you could use our 4201 box to control DMX512 dimmers/fixtures as 
some people are doing.  There are several wall panels that will emit RS-232 
strings that work perfectly with us.  For simpler installations, we also 
have switch closure inputs so you could just have a rotary switch to select 
"looks".


----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523  USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
fax:  +1 408 356-4659
web:  www.interstellar.com




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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041119121531.0193ced0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:15:31
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512

>Neutrik's EtherCon series.  They make both a panel mount female and a
>cable mount male.  Pretty darn robust.

More or less robust than the XLR 5?  More or less expensive?  easier to
build than and xlr 5 in the dark?  Finding one that works is great, but
changing what works now to something that works less well or costs more
seems like a futile excercise.
					
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:17:05 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512
Message-id: <419E46B1.9C6A3D0B [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-5053537 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------

Slitterst said:
 
> >Neutrik's EtherCon series.  They make both a panel mount female and a
> >cable mount male.  Pretty darn robust.
> 
> More or less robust than the XLR 5?  More or less expensive?  easier to
> build than and xlr 5 in the dark?  Finding one that works is great, but
> changing what works now to something that works less well or costs more
> seems like a futile excercise.


I wasn't trying to compare the Ethercon to an XLR-5.  I meant they're
robust compared to a vanilla RJ-45.  

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041119122004.0193ced0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:20:04
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512

>1/4" and 1/8" are only high-impedance (I think).

BZZZZT! But thanks for playing.  We ahve some nice parting gifts for you in
the back.  Tell him what he's won, Johnny!  While I agree, they SHOULD be
only high impedence (but why?), there are low impedence inputs on 1/4".
I have also seen trucks that still have a pair of banana's for 12V
accessories.  there is no single standard anywhere, it seems...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041119112517.02a0fa78 [at] localhost>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:29:49 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512
In-Reply-To: <list-5053537 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-5053537 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:15 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote:
>More or less robust than the XLR 5?  More or less expensive?  easier to
>build than and xlr 5 in the dark?  Finding one that works is great, but
>changing what works now to something that works less well or costs more
>seems like a futile excercise.

For a lot of applications, I don't think an RJ-45 would be that much of a 
problem.  I wouldn't recommend changing to that as a standard other than 
once you start using CAT5 wire the temptation is there to use the cheap 
patch cords that we're all up to our necks in.

As for attaching wires in the dark, I can't do that with any connector 
other than the flat wire for RJ-11/14 connectors.  With the rest you have 
to be able to see the colors (we were doing an installation in a Cairo 
university where the building lighting was SO bad we had to use a 
flashlight to tell the wire colors).



----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523  USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
fax:  +1 408 356-4659
web:  www.interstellar.com




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Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041119113223.0400d958 [at] localhost>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:34:04 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512
In-Reply-To: <list-5053608 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-5053608 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:20 AM 11/19/2004, you wrote:
> >1/4" and 1/8" are only high-impedance (I think).
>
>BZZZZT! But thanks for playing.  We ahve some nice parting gifts for you in
>the back.  Tell him what he's won, Johnny!  While I agree, they SHOULD be
>only high impedence (but why?), there are low impedence inputs on 1/4".
>I have also seen trucks that still have a pair of banana's for 12V
>accessories.  there is no single standard anywhere, it seems...

And then there's my mixer board (famous name) that uses 1/4" for both 
balanced and unbalanced, with and without phantom power, depending on how 
you wire things and what switch you throw.


----------
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523  USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886
fax:  +1 408 356-4659
web:  www.interstellar.com




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Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041119143020.01d16e18 [at] mail.insightbb.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:34:15 -0500
From: Mike Brubaker <mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: lighting Control
In-Reply-To: <list-5052981 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-5052981 [at] prxy.net>

NSI/Colortran: Dimensions 8000
Electronics Diversified Inc: Twilight
Strand Lighting: Premiere
Genlyte/Entertainment Technology: Vista

There's a starting point.  They each have strengths and weaknesses.  These 
are all based on theatrical systems and thus integrate with theatrical 
dimming and controls.  There are, of course, many other purely 
architectural systems, among those, Lutron, TouchPlate, Marlin...

Mike

At 01:23 PM 11/19/2004, Kyle Dugger wrote:

>I am looking for systems that control lighting systems using wall 
>stations.  I have used the Unison System from ETC but I


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Message-ID: <BAY21-DAV136B3F006FC18291323FD4C6C30 [at] phx.gbl>
Reply-To: <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
From: "Michael S. Eddy" <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
Cc: mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
Subject: HazMat Books
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:18:43 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-5043856 [at] prxy.net>

Michael Finney wrote:
Seriously though - somebody *has* nicked my copy of "Hazardous Materials
in the Arts", and I can't for the life of me remember who wrote it.  And
Google has failed me.  Any recommendations from the all-knowing list for
replacement resources specifically addressing hazardous materials in the
arts that my designers won't suffer brain-lock while reading?

Michael,

Do you mean: "Health Hazards Manual for Artists: Fifth Revised and Augmented
Edition" by CIH, Michael McCann PhD?

Or "The Artist's Complete Health and Safety Guide" by Monona Rossol?

Rossol and McCann have a number of books on the topic, some written
together. Let Amazon, B&N, or any number of bookselling sites be your
friend.

Side note: I interviewed Monona back when I was at Theatre Crafts and over
lunch she pointed out all of the things that will more than likely kill me,
much of which I had just drunk or eaten. She did not appreciate my point
that if we are going to die anyway, why not have some fun along the way.

Happy reading.

Michael Eddy


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From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:26:21 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-5016775 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000005057950 [at] prxy.net>

If you've seen my occasional posts on this list you'll know that I teach
theatre production and am designing a studio theatre for a high school in
Washington DC, while at the same time doing freelance production work of
various kinds.  This list has provided a wealth of learning for me, and I
value the expertise and wisdom regularly demonstrated here.

I also have the privilege of working with Clark Transfer, Inc., a
specialized entertainment transportation company started by my grandfather
in 1948.  Many of you will know Clark Transfer as the company that moves
most legit productions and tours around the USA and elsewhere.  For those
who don't, you can check out our website: www.clarktransfer.com.  This post
is not, however, an ad.  It is a request for input.

In the Spring 2004 issue of TD&T we did an article entitled Where the Rubber
Meets the Road: The ABCs of Getting Your Show on Wheels (downloadable by
USITT members at
http://www.usitt.org/tdt.index/abstracts/Vol40/40-2trucks.html). We are now
planning a workshop at USITT/Toronto covering some of the same territory,
and I'd love to have input from the members of this group.  What touring and
trucking-related issues, questions, practices, pitfalls or anecdotes do you
think would be useful and interesting - or even entertaining?   Remember
your first tour?  What are the things you wish you had known then?  All
ideas are welcome - on or off list.

Thanks in advance. 

Jonathan

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 

Jonathan S. Deull
jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com



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In-Reply-To: <list-5057951 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-5057951 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <41D3927A-3AA4-11D9-ADB5-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:28:33 -0500

> In the Spring 2004 issue of TD&T we did an article entitled Where the 
> Rubber
> Meets the Road: The ABCs of Getting Your Show on Wheels

Nice article. It caught my attention because I recognized the alley in 
the first picture (an most of the guys too).

>  What touring and
> trucking-related issues, questions, practices, pitfalls or anecdotes 
> do you
> think would be useful and interesting - or even entertaining?

I want to know how you prep a house crew for trailer doors opening and 
see stuff stacked to the sky, then how do you get the loaders to stop 
moaning that yesterdays trucks weren't stacked.  Another thing would be 
how we could go about getting a dock/trailer height standard at least 
in our industry.  How about a way to transport dance floor ramps on the 
outside of the truck so you don't have to pull one down from loadbars 
above the pack.  Am I being helpful yet?  ;-)


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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In-Reply-To: <list-5057951 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-5057951 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <78C0949B-3AA7-11D9-ADB5-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:51:34 -0500

Just watched the video on the website.  Looks like you have enough 
anecdotes to write a book (I would put it on my christmas list)


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From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com
Subject: RE: HazMat Books
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:06:24 -0800
Message-ID: <011c01c4ced7$d52e5350$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer>
In-Reply-To: <list-5056045 [at] prxy.net>

Most of my books have been given away, but I shall look for the one you
mentioned. Dr. Doom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael
S. Eddy
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 2:19 PM
To: Stagecraft
Cc: mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
Subject: HazMat Books

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Michael Finney wrote:
Seriously though - somebody *has* nicked my copy of "Hazardous Materials
in the Arts", and I can't for the life of me remember who wrote it.  And
Google has failed me.  Any recommendations from the all-knowing list for
replacement resources specifically addressing hazardous materials in the
arts that my designers won't suffer brain-lock while reading?

Michael,

Do you mean: "Health Hazards Manual for Artists: Fifth Revised and
Augmented
Edition" by CIH, Michael McCann PhD?

Or "The Artist's Complete Health and Safety Guide" by Monona Rossol?

Rossol and McCann have a number of books on the topic, some written
together. Let Amazon, B&N, or any number of bookselling sites be your
friend.

Side note: I interviewed Monona back when I was at Theatre Crafts and
over
lunch she pointed out all of the things that will more than likely kill
me,
much of which I had just drunk or eaten. She did not appreciate my point
that if we are going to die anyway, why not have some fun along the way.

Happy reading.

Michael Eddy


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