Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 5112709; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 03:01:21 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #202 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 03:01:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #202 1. 12v question by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: 12v question by "Daryl Redmon" 3. Re: RJ45 and DMX512 by CB 4. Re: 12v question by Jerry Durand 5. USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by CB 6. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by Mark O'Brien 7. Re: RJ45 - EtherCon by Mitch Hefter 8. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by Stuart Wheaton 9. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by Jerry Durand 10. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by "Jonathan S. Deull" 11. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by Mark O'Brien 12. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by David Marks 13. Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road by "Jonathan S. Deull" 14. Rotodrapers by "Wayne Rasmussen" 15. Re: RJ45 and DMX512 by Stephen Litterst 16. Re: lighting Control by "James, Brian" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <01c101c4cf19$e95350a0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: 12v question Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 05:59:22 -1000 I called Makita and asked them how many amps a 12v impact driver pulls. After a few days, the rep emailed me that: "Amp (Output) is not a good guide to a comparison of Impact tools. To judge the capability of Impact tools, we should use the max fastening torque. For 6916D it would be 100Nm (887in.lbs)" ...which I interpreted to mean "we don't know". I asked again, this time telling them that I really wanted to know. The rep responded: "When we asked Makita Japan what the Amperage was on the tool, they said they could not give us an accurate rating based on it being an impact tool. It is typical for this type of tool to draw between 5-10 amps under no load, and between 20-30 amps during impact." Using my tired old brain to do the math, I get that a 3 amp hour battery will run the tool under load for (3 ah / 30 amps =.1 x 60 min. =) 6 minutes. Is that right? 30 amps is a rather too big number methinks. Something tells me that I'm not looking at this correctly or something... Eh? Laters, Paul "My clothes are pressed," Tom said ironically. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005001c4cf20$52f7c850$6500a8c0 [at] yourfsyly0jtwn> From: "Daryl Redmon" References:

Subject: Re: 12v question Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:45:20 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Guncheon" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: 12v question > The rep responded: > > "When we asked Makita Japan what the Amperage was on the tool, they said > they could not give us an accurate rating based on it being an impact > tool. > It is typical for this type of tool to draw between 5-10 amps under no > load, > and between 20-30 amps during impact." > > Using my tired old brain to do the math, I get that a 3 amp hour battery > will run > the tool under load for (3 ah / 30 amps =.1 x 60 min. =) 6 minutes. Is > that > right? 30 amps is a rather too big number methinks. > Paul, I suspect that 30A is the peak number and that during impact (heavy load) that is what the draw may be. It could be that looking at a oscilloscope may show you the duty pattern of this tool and the nominal draw is much less. Daryl Redmon Resounding light ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041120095017.0185feb0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:50:17 From: CB Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512 >I wasn't trying to compare the Ethercon to an XLR-5. I meant they're >robust compared to a vanilla RJ-45. And I paint better than Helen Keller, but you don't want doing anything more than back painting if it goes in front of an audience. There isn't much of anything that we use that isn't more robust than a 'vanilla RJ-45'. My questions were intended to find out if it was a viable replacement for the XLR 5, not a viable replacement for the RJ-45. I didn't mean to impugn your sensibilities, I actually wanted to know your opinion about all the other things. I'm guessing that you think it is a bit less reliable than the XLR 5, what about the other facets? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041120084728.03f13ea8 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:51:16 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: 12v question In-Reply-To: References:

At 07:59 AM 11/20/2004, you wrote: >Using my tired old brain to do the math, I get that a 3 amp hour battery >will run >the tool under load for (3 ah / 30 amps =.1 x 60 min. =) 6 minutes. Is that >right? 30 amps is a rather too big number methinks. It doesn't draw that continuously, it's in pulses. You would have the low current draw as the ball slid between detents, then probably an even lower number as the ball slides into a detent, then rapidly raising current until the ball pops out of the detent, a moment of low draw, then back to the beginning of the loop. NiCd batteries are particularly good at working with this sort of abuse. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041120095811.0185feb0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:58:11 From: CB Subject: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road >What touring and >trucking-related issues, questions, practices, pitfalls or anecdotes do you >think would be useful and interesting - or even entertaining? Remember >your first tour? What are the things you wish you had known then? All >ideas are welcome - on or off list. All of my trucking problems were about not having enough truck. Or too much crap. "Sure, all your stuff from the 24 footer will fit in the props truck!", is a lie. It is always a lie. There are things that the trucking company or the truck driver cannot solve. Idiocy is one of 'em. OTOH, there should be an easy way to put my Beemer on the tail somewhere without draining all the fluids out of it. I've seen one of the driver's Harleys strapped to the back of the cab, but it had to be taken off with a bit of a crane. I think his buddie's truck had the crane on it. Have 'em work on it, willya? And tell everyone thanks. CT took off where Rockit left off, and I've been happy to see theCT trucks on the dock ever since. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <45CD915D-3B25-11D9-8861-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:52:05 -0700 I have used Clark, Stage-call, Upstaging, Rock-it, and many others, and here are a few observations... If you want a truck on the dock, NEVER use a truck broker, and a generic box van. If you want a truck on the dock, NEVER use a truck broker, and a generic box van. I have used Stage-call often for corporate shows out West with great success. Trucks early, drivers have allot of common sense, and they are VERY sensitive to schedules. Price is usually a firm quotation. so if they run into problems, it is already in the budget. It seems they have some alliance with Clark, as once I needed a truck from Tucson, to So Cal, and the "borrowed" a truck from a B tour here from Clark. On return, the tour had moved on to OCPAC in Orange county, and we were able to reverse the process. I used to work allot of shows that used Production Associates (big black trucks with the masks), and they were ALWAYS on time. Electronic & Exhibit trucks work well, but one must be careful to negotiate a deal with the broker. Very easy to get these into McCormic, Moscone, or Javits type venues. Teamsters tend to respect the drivers of these vans a bit more, and you will get in and out quicker if the driver of the truck is one of them. Rock-it Cargo will do amazing things when one has to cross international borders. With them, I was able to get a DC-10 worth of Lights, set, sound, and AV in, and most importantly out of Brasil. Plus they have great SWAG. I also recommend them for air freight forwarding service. After 911, using a good agent is invaluable. If you want a truck on the dock, NEVER use a truck broker, and a generic box van. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Nov 20, 2004, at 9:58 AM, CB wrote: > And tell everyone thanks. CT took off where Rockit left off, and I've > been > happy to see theCT trucks on the dock ever since. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20041120132704.020003f8 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:49:50 -0600 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: RJ45 - EtherCon In-Reply-To: References: Neutrik spoke with several manufacturers regarding the EtherCon (R) connector as they were developing it (I was one). the cable mount is an XLR shell that fits over a standard RJ-45 plug - it can be retrofitted onto those 99 cent patch cables. The panel mount version accepts this shell/connector. Many manufacturers use it for their Ethernet ports. A standard RJ-45 will plug into the panel mount. We see EtherCon (R) specified on a lot of projects - for Ethernet, NOT DMX512. More info at: http://www.neutrik.com/ - click on Products and then on RJ45 Connectors. Daniel Woodhead ( http://www.woodhead.com/products/automation/connectorscordsets/ - then click on RJ-LNxx Ethernet Media) and Amphenol ( http://www.rjfield.com/ethernet_connectors_en.htm ) are two manufacturers that make ruggedized RJ-45s. Neutrik's EtherCon (R) took off in our industry, IMHO, due to the facts that its panel mount version takes up the same footprint as the standard XLR and manufacturers were very familiar with the Neutrik brand. There are applications where another manufacturers version may be more applicable. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter mitch.hefter [at] DesignRelief.com Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlyte.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 (Direct Line 214/ 647-7967) +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax http://www.etdimming.com http://www.lolcontrols.com http://www.vari-lite.com http://www.genlyte.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <419FBF79.5020201 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:04:41 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road References:

In-Reply-To: Mark O'Brien wrote: > > I have used Clark, Stage-call, Upstaging, Rock-it, and many others, and > here are a few observations... > > If you want a truck on the dock, NEVER use a truck broker, and a generic > box van. > > If you want a truck on the dock, NEVER use a truck broker, and a generic > box van. > I wish the PTB would learn this! We do a lot of one way shipments from Cincinati to the coasts... Fragile, awkward scenery parts. We've had trailers with big leaks, filthy trucks, trucks without e-tracks or other tie downs. Once the truckers were planning to unload the truck and install e-track then re-load the truck themselves. They didn't have time to get it as specced before they came for the pickup. Once we got a refer truck! All aluminum interior with no way to put in straps. Recently, the truck got to the pier a day early, so the stevedores unloaded it and left our stuff out in the rain in Vancouver overnight. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041120141138.02a0f730 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:16:36 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road In-Reply-To: References:

When we do pyro the trucks come pre-packed for the show. And I mean packed, the guys we normally work with have some yard people who can get way more into a truck than you'd think possible. I glad we blow up a lot of it during a show, we'd never get it all back in at 1:00 in the morning. BTW, due to the regulations, it works out better (at lease here) for the trucks to be rented. The yard has a long-term rental on a lot of these, so they're always pretty clean and without holes (a good thing with pyro in them). Now, if they could only get the RIGHT boxes in each truck (99% is nice, but it means you still have to ad-lib something for most shows). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:02:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "And tell everyone thanks. CT took off where Rockit left off, and I've been happy to see theCT trucks on the dock ever since." Chris "Chris" Babbie For history buffs and those with long memories, up until the mid 1970s Clark Transfer did most of the big rock and roll as well as the legit, operas, symphonies etc. My first tour was with Jethro Tull in 1975. In the 80's we shifted our emphasis away from Rock and Roll work (which was developing its own distinct culture) and helped former Clark driver Tom Duncan set up Stage Call based on the left coast to carry it on. We continue to work closely with Stage Call, and indeed with all the key players in this small and specialized community. Jonathan ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2307E7C7-3B5A-11D9-8861-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:10:30 -0700 I seem to remember that they also were somehow associated with Highway Film Delivery. Or they borrowed HFD's small "bobtail" trucks that wold fit into the Fords Theatre loading dock. The film trucks would deliver films & magazines to uhh theatres around DC. When they showed up "empty" at National Scenery Studios, they would be full of misc magazines & such that the stagehands would take home. What is that connection? Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Nov 20, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > For history buffs and those with long memories, up until the mid 1970s > Clark > Transfer did most of the big rock and roll as well as the legit, > operas, > symphonies etc. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <419FEC28.3060200 [at] davidmarks.cc> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:15:20 -0500 From: David Marks Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road References:

Mark O'Brien wrote: > When they showed up "empty" at National Scenery Studios, they would > be full of misc magazines & such that the stagehands would take home. National Geographic?? dave marks sound guy ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:26:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They were sister companies. Highway was originally a Clark offshoot, later spun off. We grew up with magazines and paperbacks without covers (gasp). My first job out of college was delivering feature films to theatres around DC. A number of different related enterprises grew up or became part of what then became "The Clark Group." My mother, Norma, took the original theatrical company and has been running it independently since 1991. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mark O'Brien Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:11 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: USITT Workshop: Let's Get the Show on the Road For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I seem to remember that they also were somehow associated with Highway Film Delivery. Or they borrowed HFD's small "bobtail" trucks that wold fit into the Fords Theatre loading dock. The film trucks would deliver films & magazines to uhh theatres around DC. When they showed up "empty" at National Scenery Studios, they would be full of misc magazines & such that the stagehands would take home. What is that connection? Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Nov 20, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > For history buffs and those with long memories, up until the mid 1970s > Clark > Transfer did most of the big rock and roll as well as the legit, > operas, > symphonies etc. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c4cf73$a8067280$0617000a [at] blair.edu> From: "Wayne Rasmussen" Subject: Rotodrapers Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:41:51 -0500 I am looking for a source of #28 Rotodrapers to borrow/rent. (These fit the ADC 280 track.) Our show is February 17-19, but I'd like to have them at least a month before then. Please reply off list. Thanks, Wayne Rasmussen Blair Academy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: RJ45 and DMX512 In-reply-to: Message-id: <3063.172.154.31.216.1101005407.squirrel [at] 172.154.31.216> References: > --------------------------------------------------- , I actually wanted to know your opinion about all the > other things. I'm guessing that you think it is a bit less reliable than > the XLR 5, what about the other facets? I actually think the Ethercon is as robust and reliable as any other XLR connector. I've taken some of the Neutrik samples and tried to abuse them pretty badly. They still make a good connections. That being said, I don't like having to stock adapters. I want to have all my DMX devices using XLR-5s and have gone so far as to replace the XLR-3s on some of my devices with XLR-5s. So, the Ethercon is a good choice for making strong Ethernet connections in the theatre, but I don't support using it in place of XLR-5s just yet. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: lighting Control Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <89DE71075FCD6E44A4D117FBFBBD801C09F9AF32 [at] fangorn.cc.vt.edu> From: "James, Brian" Cc: kmdugger [at] earthlink.net (Kyle Dugger) Lutron did a demo of a system here, it appeared to be a very nice = system. In addition to the proprietary protocol, they did offer the = option for control by DMX. The only reason we did not buy the system is because we lost the money = during the budget cuts in the last year or two. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Kyle Dugger Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:24 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: lighting Control For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I am looking for systems that control lighting systems using wall = stations. I have used the Unison System from ETC but I am looking at a = new install and I am wanting to see what all is out there. If any of = you have any recomendations or pros and cons of other units I would = greatly appreciated hearing about them. kyle ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #202 *****************************